To all

[Guest guest]

Beth, this email really hit too close to home. I have noticed a

persistance with my daughter that just isn't there with my other

children. The past 6 months it has gotten out of hand. If I were a

person who knew nothing about OCD my first thought would be, " Oh that

child sure is spoiled! " But since we all know what OCD feels and looks

like we know when it is an OCD thing.

I really dislike taking shopping. I will be in a Mall or store

with my other 3 kids. Specifically shopping for something for one of

them and ALWAYS has to look at this and that, she NEEDS to have

an item. NEEDS! I am at the point of questioning whether she really

needs these things or if she is spoiled and is expecting them. I truly

believe that on some level she has come to expect things from us, but

the word No isn't in her vocabulary. She just doesn't get it and she is

persistant. If she doesn't get her way at the very second she wants

it...just watch out! She basically has a meltdown.

I believe it is part habit, part OCD but mostly OCD. Good Luck and let

me know if you come up with some strategies. We are trying to not give

in to everything she wants but it i so hard to watch the worry and pain

on her face.

Sincerely,

Wayt wrote:

> Hi everyone,e stayed all night with her mom last night, and they

> just brought her home because she wanted her nannie.They were at the

> mall .Dawn just went on about how e doesn't listen to her ,and how

> I don't make her listen .(not true) SHe wanted something at the mall

> and kept going on about it. It seems to me that when she gets it in

> her head about something she just keeps on asking .(just like her mom

> did) Does anyone have this problem with their kids? Is this ocd or

> what, she not like this about everything.Please let me know so I can

> show her mom, if it's not ocd then I'll keep my mouth shut and try to

> do a better job.Love Beth in IN.

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Beth in Ind,

When one of my kids gets 'stuck' on something, I point it out to them. If

we go somewhere and they start asking too many questions, then I just say -

I've answered and your stuck on it, so boss it back. This applies to them

asking for something they think they need - but falls under the hoarding

category!

On the other, when the kids were younger and I knew that they were going

to ask for something, I would set guidelines and stick by them. If tom

wanted a particular cereal, for example, we would pick up all the other

groceries, and if he cooperated, he would get to pick the cereal. If he

didnt cooperate, someone else picked it out. If I was consistent, the kids

learned to know what to expect.

Beth, I know it cant be easy for you with e, but sometimes you have to

be tough. Dont let ocd get in the way of good parenting skills. You must

learn to not be an enabler, and to teach her to boss back the feelings she

gets. What do your doctors say?? Have you been back to the institute since

your stay a while ago????

best wishes, and big hugs to you..... wendy in canada

[Guest guest]

Hi this is Terry In WI,

I don't know that this is classic OCD but I do think that these kids learn at a

very early age to be controlling out of necessity. Imagine what they must go

through to get us to allow them to do the thing s they must do just to survive.

As Kelsey's OCD symptoms subsided so did

the controlling aspect, but it did not go away completely. Keep in mind it is

now probably a learned behavior that will have to be unlearned at some time in

the future.

To All

Hi everyone,e stayed all night with her mom last night, and they just

brought her home because she wanted her nannie.They were at the mall .Dawn just

went on about how e doesn't listen to her ,and how I don't make her listen

..(not true) SHe wanted something at the mall and kept going on about it. It

seems to me that when she gets it in her head about something she just keeps on

asking .(just like her mom did) Does anyone have this problem with their kids?

Is this ocd or what, she not like this about everything.Please let me know so I

can show her mom, if it's not ocd then I'll keep my mouth shut and try to do a

better job.Love Beth in IN.

[Guest guest]

Beth,

I know exactly what you're talking about.

gets it in his head that he needs or wants something,

then he obsesses about it until he finally gets it. It may

take several months till he gets it, but once he gets what

ever it is, he loses all interest in it.

Take care!

mary from La.

Wayt wrote:

> Hi everyone,e stayed all night with her mom last night, and they

> just brought her home because she wanted her nannie.They were at the

> mall .Dawn just went on about how e doesn't listen to her ,and how

> I don't make her listen .(not true) SHe wanted something at the mall

> and kept going on about it. It seems to me that when she gets it in

> her head about something she just keeps on asking .(just like her mom

> did) Does anyone have this problem with their kids? Is this ocd or

> what, she not like this about everything.Please let me know so I can

> show her mom, if it's not ocd then I'll keep my mouth shut and try to

> do a better job.Love Beth in IN.

[Guest guest]

Hi Beth, sometimes I wonder if it's easy to get so focused on ocd behavior and

forget that not *everything* is ocd. I think kids e's age just do pester

for toys, a certain cereal, whatever, I hear this complaint from lots of moms of

this age group.

A fair number take this to dramatic levels, having tantrums and so on when

denied something they want.

That said, I do think ocd-type persistence can make this pestering more

pronounced. By now this is a joke between my daughter and me, when we walk down

the aisles of a store she points all around and announces, " I want that, that,

that, that . . . " Big giggles.

I know you're doing a fine job Beth.

Kathy R. in Indiana

----- Original Message -----

From: Wayt

Hi everyone,e stayed all night with her mom last night, and they just

brought her home because she wanted her nannie.They were at the mall .Dawn just

went on about how e doesn't listen to her ,and how I don't make her listen

..(not true) SHe wanted something at the mall and kept going on about it. It

seems to me that when she gets it in her head about something she just keeps on

asking .(just like her mom did) Does anyone have this problem with their kids?

Is this ocd or what, she not like this about everything.Please let me know so I

can show her mom, if it's not ocd then I'll keep my mouth shut and try to do a

better job.Love Beth in IN.

[Guest guest]

My son, Keenan, does this, too! It's usually about friends, though. He'll beg

and nag and follow you all around the house wanting this one friend to come over

(who usually says he doesn't feel like it.) and he'll even have other friends

phone him and ask if he wants to come over, but he says no because he wants to

play with this other kid CONSTANTLY. Someone said they thought it was because

he was an only child, but i don't think that's it. Sometimes i wonder if he's

obsessed with this child. I dunno...I just know this kid hurts his feelings

alot and is not what I'd call a " True Blue " friend...but what can you do???

Keenan will be mad at him and hate him for about an hour and then want to call

him all over again and see if he can play! I don't get it.

Re: To All

Beth,

I know exactly what you're talking about.

gets it in his head that he needs or wants something,

then he obsesses about it until he finally gets it. It may

take several months till he gets it, but once he gets what

ever it is, he loses all interest in it.

Take care!

mary from La.

Wayt wrote:

Hi everyone,e stayed all night with her mom last night, and they just

brought her home because she wanted her nannie.They were at the mall .Dawn just

went on about how e doesn't listen to her ,and how I don't make her listen

..(not true) SHe wanted something at the mall and kept going on about it. It

seems to me that when she gets it in her head about something she just keeps on

asking .(just like her mom did) Does anyone have this problem with their kids?

Is this ocd or what, she not like this about everything.Please let me know so I

can show her mom, if it's not ocd then I'll keep my mouth shut and try to do a

better job.Love Beth in IN.

[Guest guest]

<< SHe wanted something at the mall and kept going on about it. It seems to

me that when she gets it in her head about something she just keeps on asking

..(just like her mom did) Does anyone have this problem with their kids? >>

This is one of the most demanding parts of Ian's OCD and Impulse Control.

Once he decides he wants something he is driven to the point of rage and

aggression if we say no. We are trying to deal with this through behavior

modification. His goal is to listen the first time he is told something and

to not talk back if he is not pleased with the answer.

I also try to use the same phrase " You are trying to be in control right now "

whenever he starts to demand - you will do it my way, instead of requesting

- will you or may I? Ian very rarely requests so we try to bring to his

attention the times he is demanding in the hopes that he will pick up the

subtle difference (not much success lately). His ability to reframe a demand

into a request is directly related to how much control the OCD has at the

time.

With this as with all things OCD, consistency seems to help but it is also

another two steps forward one step back issue. Sorry for all the run on

sentences and dangling phrases. I tend to write the way I talk.

Joy in SD

[Guest guest]

HI :

YOu may have hit the nail on the head. A number of adult OCDers on the

mother list have described their obsessions with specific individuals,

sometimes in childhood and also during adolescence. It seems this can be

just another flavor of OCD and I am sure it is very upsetting for them.

Good luck, take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

You wrote:

My son, Keenan, does this, too! It's usually about friends, though.

He'll beg and nag and follow you all around the house wanting this one

friend to come over (who usually says he doesn't feel like it.) and he'll

even have other friends phone him and ask if he wants to come over, but he

says no because he wants to play with this other kid CONSTANTLY. Someone

said they thought it was because he was an only child, but i don't think

that's it. Sometimes i wonder if he's obsessed with this child. I

dunno...I just know this kid hurts his feelings alot and is not what I'd

call a " True Blue " friend...but what can you do??? Keenan will be mad at

him and hate him for about an hour and then want to call him all over again

and see if he can play! I don't get it.

[Guest guest]

Dear Joy ,Run on and dangle all you want,I'm just happy you wrote me.So what

your saying it is worse when ocd has more control.e's mom also told her

she was going to have a baby.( But she was happy about that) Sometimes I

feel like I'm on this ride that I have NO control of with e and her

mom.The last thing she need right now was a baby.Her back is so bad,her

husband just got back to work we've have to give them money all the

time.I'll stop!!! Love Beth in IN.

Re: To All

> From: Ianmom@...

>

> << SHe wanted something at the mall and kept going on about it. It seems

to

> me that when she gets it in her head about something she just keeps on

asking

> .(just like her mom did) Does anyone have this problem with their kids?

>>

>

> This is one of the most demanding parts of Ian's OCD and Impulse Control.

> Once he decides he wants something he is driven to the point of rage and

> aggression if we say no. We are trying to deal with this through behavior

> modification. His goal is to listen the first time he is told something

and

> to not talk back if he is not pleased with the answer.

>

> I also try to use the same phrase " You are trying to be in control right

now "

> whenever he starts to demand - you will do it my way, instead of

requesting

> - will you or may I? Ian very rarely requests so we try to bring to his

> attention the times he is demanding in the hopes that he will pick up the

> subtle difference (not much success lately). His ability to reframe a

demand

> into a request is directly related to how much control the OCD has at the

> time.

>

> With this as with all things OCD, consistency seems to help but it is also

> another two steps forward one step back issue. Sorry for all the run on

> sentences and dangling phrases. I tend to write the way I talk.

>

> Joy in SD

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Margaret,

I am Pam Houser, mother of twins with DS. They are 4. One of

them has progressed faster than the other one. is slower. She

cannot do hardley anything Hannah does. She is just now starting to eat

by herself. The OT would work with her on and off with gripping and

feeding. She would just quit after a while because would get

tired of doing the same thing all the time. I would chop her food up as

fine as possible because she would not chew her food up either.

Eventually she started chewing. I would offer her foods I knew she would

eat. After getting choked a few times she figured out she had to chew.

We would all make a game out of it. By acting silly while chewing up our

food very silly. She thought that was funny so she would mock us. Don't

give up because in time he will get it. I hope this helped some.

Pam

greysean wrote:

> Hi to all, I would like to say hello to all the new people I

> haven't responded to and let all the new people know about our family.

> We have three children, twins - Greyson and (DS) - 3 years old and

> Annice who we adopted from Russia last December - she is 17 mos. Our

> twins were born at 33 weeks after 14 weeks bed rest (7 of which were

> in the hospital). had a collapsed lung, jandice, a duedonal

> atresia, PDO,asd,vsd,and other complications. He had his first surgery

> for the intestinal blockage a week after birth and another one at 3

> mos. He also has had eye surgery for strabismus. He is still having

> trouble with fine motor skills and eating is a huge problem. His

> speech is comming along nicely with two word sentences and starting to

> answer questions. He is very charming and has a lovely sense of humor

> and loves books and music above all. I have chosen to keep with

> his brother in a regular preschool. He will at some point have a

> community based teacher, and receive additional PT, OT, and hopefully

> speech along with the private services he receives at home. I truely

> believe we have the three children we were meant to have and they are

> all so unique and special in their own ways. Greyson is turning into

> such a sweet and compassionate little boy ( I know because of )

> and he has Annice to play rough with. Both Greyson and Annice are very

> sweet to and make sure he has his turns and he as his favorite

> toys. Its really amazing. I can't imagine life without any of our

> kids. A Big Question for all : Did or does anyone have a child as

> old as Three that still cannot chew nor feed himself any types of

> foods. If so please please tell me what to do? We( therapist included

> ) are all at a lost. Today he hasn't eaten since 11:00am. Its now time

> for bed and he just won't eat. He just screams no and spits out

> anything we give him. Normally he will let us feed him pureed veggies

> and tofu and fruit , but it is getting worse. Any help would be

> greatly appreciated. Thank you. Margaret w/ Greyson and (DS) and

> Annice - 17 mos.

[Guest guest]

Dear Ling and all,

It's great to know someone of Singapore!!

It's great " to talk " to eachother and learn so much from

eachother. It's a great experience.

I hope you're feeling well, Ling.

I'm in pain right now, but I wanted to write an e-mail

for you to know how I'm doing today.

It's terrible this kind of excruciating pain.

I'm need some encouragement words right now.

Hugs,

Xiomi

[Guest guest]

Hi Xiomi,

So glad to hear from you!

Sorry to hear about your pain. What kind of pain are you getting now? Stay

strong, You are not alone! I also have chronic pain. I suffer from really

terrible headaches, due to my neck, that never stop. Went for radiofrequency

neurolysis to burn the nerves. That is helping a little. However, today I

brought the children in my school to the Science Centre, and all that noise

from the children, and also standing in the rain made the headaches worse

again... Just woke up a while ago, so please forgive me for my slow reply!

Take care,

Ling

RE: To All

Dear Ling and all,

It's great to know someone of Singapore!!

It's great " to talk " to eachother and learn so much from

eachother. It's a great experience.

I hope you're feeling well, Ling.

I'm in pain right now, but I wanted to write an e-mail

for you to know how I'm doing today.

It's terrible this kind of excruciating pain.

I'm need some encouragement words right now.

Hugs,

Xiomi

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[Guest guest]

Hi there Marty man!,

Good to hear from you! You did the right thing by going to the ER

Marty. Yes, I'm sure you were plenty scared...most of us would have

been.

I'm glad you are seeing a doctor now. Have you been presribed any

meds yet? If so, what has the doctor got you taking? Could your trip

to the ER have been possibly brought on by side effects of some

med?

Good advice about seeking help Marty...I agree with you...a good point

you made too, that the disease affects not only us, but also the ones we

love.

Take care, stay in touch,

hugs from Wisconsin,

Tricia

-- to all

Hi all home now after a scare in the er again . ekg blood work every thing find nothing as always! have any of you had the same thing all signs of stroke or heart atack and yet nothing .my eyes started seeing blurry then dubble then a vise like feeling in chest left side.Last time was a few years back and I id lose some eye sight then and wear glasses now from it . also all the blood work from last doc viest came back cleen but small anemic like is that suprising to any of us but my blood cells are funny shaped have beed but no one know why !if any help let me know !last night scared the blank out of me as my life is been getting better but health in little ways has started to slide and all other get concialing no matter what as this illness and how it makes you look at life can be hard also not only on us but all we love get them to go to love ya all Marty the man

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We love you, too, Liz!

De

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I guess they were hoping we'd die off before we cost them any money.

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The HCV virus was covered up by the Govt. until the 90's. You all need to know that this is truth. Gail? Deb?>

Take care of yourself,

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Deb is fine.I guess you know by now.Kathy got through to her.If she needs anything let us know.I already gave to the red cross with this disaster but want to help Deb if she needs anything.Take care hon and let us know if Devin is ok when you find out.

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I ripped part of my cast off so it is easier to type. I love you all and I wish only the best for you. I am terribly worried about Deb and family, but am here for anybody.

Take care,

Liz

[Guest guest]

Liz, Get your magnifing glass out, Its Rayne, La.

to all

I have been trying Deb's, Mel's and Devin's cell phone every half hour since Sunday.Thank God she is ok. That town you told me about Kathy isn't even on the map. But this goes to show ya, that prayers do work.

I love this group. We are a powerful bunch.

Take care,

Liz

[Guest guest]

Liz, Get your magnifing glass out, Its Rayne, La.

to all

I have been trying Deb's, Mel's and Devin's cell phone every half hour since Sunday.Thank God she is ok. That town you told me about Kathy isn't even on the map. But this goes to show ya, that prayers do work.

I love this group. We are a powerful bunch.

Take care,

Liz

[Guest guest]

Dear lady how could we miss on prayers with this group.We are a big family.Yes that god everything worked out.

Gail

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to all

I have been trying Deb's, Mel's and Devin's cell phone every half hour since Sunday.Thank God she is ok. That town you told me about Kathy isn't even on the map. But this goes to show ya, that prayers do work.

I love this group. We are a powerful bunch.

Take care,

Liz

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Merry Christmas Jerry!

And also to all on the list

May God bless & keep you safe.

Rod

----- Original Message -----

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> Have a merry Chrsitmas and may all you wishes and dreams

> come true for you and your family in the New Year.

> Thanx for all the help and adive that you guys and ladies

> gave me throughout this year and I am looking forward to

> another year. Hopefully I can be more of assistance to

> you'll and have less questions and more answers.

>

> Again Have a great Christmas.

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May all have Happy Holidays and a great New Year.

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Rod Eglin <rod@...> wrote:

Merry Christmas Jerry!

And also to all on the list

May God bless & keep you safe.

Rod

----- Original Message -----

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> Have a merry Chrsitmas and may all you wishes and dreams

> come true for you and your family in the New Year.

> Thanx for all the help and adive that you guys and ladies

> gave me throughout this year and I am looking forward to

> another year. Hopefully I can be more of assistance to

> you'll and have less questions and more answers.

>

> Again Have a great Christmas.

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Evenin all,

It is about 2 hours to midnight and I am off to bed. Before

I do go, I would just like to say the following to all of

you.

Have a merry Chrsitmas and may all you wishes and dreams

come true for you and your family in the New Year.

Thanx for all the help and adive that you guys and ladies

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To All

Evenin all,

It is about 2 hours to midnight and I am off to bed. Before

I do go, I would just like to say the following to all of

you.

Have a merry Chrsitmas and may all you wishes and dreams

come true for you and your family in the New Year.

Thanx for all the help and adive that you guys and ladies

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another year. Hopefully I can be more of assistance to

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And remember, if the AS keeps you from being admitted, we are still

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Good luck.

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Good luck Nick! But I'm compelled to make a few observations about that "bums on the street" comment- First, .. hey I resemble that remark! Some people might consider me a bum on the street (though I never ask people for money- as I've posted before, those are nearly always people with serious addictions, alcohol or worse). And I see a ~lot~ of signs that many of the people living on the streets are high in autistic traits. Some are very bright with apparently above average IQs and all that, but there are lots of signs such as eye-gaze avoidance, absence of tone-of-voice modulation, persistence in misunderstandings about what others are thinking or expecting and on and on. (I've haven't posted on this for awhile now- but one of the things that makes me suspicious about increases in numbers

of kids with diagnoses is I think a lot of people who are adults now, if they had been examined back then the same way kids are today they probably also would have been diagnosed. I've written a lot on this elsewhere so I'll stop here.) Second- A lot of the "bums on the street" are ex-vets. I rather strongly suspect that they are a much larger percentage of the homeless population than a percentage of the general population. That makes sense in a number of ways- so there are competing ideas for why that is the case. (Third, I tried to sign up for the military services three times. I figured if I wasn't good for much else, at least with my uncanny aiming ability I might be of some use to the military. But I was turned down all three times. Mostly my timing was bad, but also, somehow, I always forgot to mention my aiming accuracy. The last time I tried to

join, back around Gulf War I (USA chronology), I was just over the age limit where they wouldn't take people anymore. I applied for an exemption for that but was turned down. Another time, the military was just winding down from a war- Vietnam. So they were seriously down-sizing. The third instance- maybe the recruiter just didn't like the way I looked with thick glasses, the crouch-gait palsy making me look ungainly, or maybe it was something I said .. whatever.) Hey, I'm probably just being overly sensitive and like you said, need to lighten up. In any case, best of luck to you and hope you have a great life. Heph Nick <drumthis2001@...> wrote: I'm joining the United States Navy. Therefore, I'll not be answering posts for quite awhile. I'm going to serve my country and help insure your freedom. Therefore, just know that since I'm going to learn to kill the enemy for the sake of my country (you and not the bums on the street) let bygones be bygones. I like all of you and I'd like to talk to you in a year from now or maybe less. Lighten up. Hephaestus Clubfoothttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestushttp://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/hephaestus.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabeiroi

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