RE: Oxygen cylinder refilling

September 12, 2002

--- " Base Paramedic [bT] "

<Base_Paramedic@...> wrote: > Hi all,

>

> Does anybody on the list have any experience filling

> oxygen cylinders with medical grade oxygen? (using

> generator, compressor, nitrogen and oxygen

> calibrators etc)

>

> If anyone has; I would appreciate if you could let

> me know what system you have/are using and approx

> cost to set it up.

>

> Cheers,

> Bill

>

> Bill Frew

> International SOS Paramedic

> AGIP KCO

> Republic of Kazakhstan

>

> Hello all,

Decant, using a large cylinder and a

cheep (£50) decanting tool, you can safely refill your

smaller cylinders.

But don't mention this word to BOC.

Regards

McCullough

>

__________________________________________________

September 13, 2002

Hi and everyone,

I'm not enquiring about decanting but FILLING the large cylinders with medical

grade oxygen (as BOC do). I've found several differing types of equipment on the

Net and was wondering if anybody else has used any in remote locations.

Best regards,

Bill

Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

--- " Base Paramedic [bT] "

<Base_Paramedic@...> wrote: > Hi all,

>

> Does anybody on the list have any experience filling

> oxygen cylinders with medical grade oxygen? (using

> generator, compressor, nitrogen and oxygen

> calibrators etc)

>

> If anyone has; I would appreciate if you could let

> me know what system you have/are using and approx

> cost to set it up.

>

> Cheers,

> Bill

>

> Bill Frew

> International SOS Paramedic

> AGIP KCO

> Republic of Kazakhstan

>

> Hello all,

Decant, using a large cylinder and a

cheep (£50) decanting tool, you can safely refill your

smaller cylinders.

But don't mention this word to BOC.

Regards

McCullough

>

__________________________________________________

September 13, 2002

Bill,

You can use welding O2, which is of a higher quality than med O2, and I think

you should be able to get an adapter from someone like Wells or Pneupac or some

such.

Cheers

Medic

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Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

--- " Base Paramedic [bT] "

<Base_Paramedic@...> wrote: > Hi all,

>

> Does anybody on the list have any experience filling

> oxygen cylinders with medical grade oxygen? (using

> generator, compressor, nitrogen and oxygen

> calibrators etc)

>

> If anyone has; I would appreciate if you could let

> me know what system you have/are using and approx

> cost to set it up.

>

> Cheers,

> Bill

>

> Bill Frew

> International SOS Paramedic

> AGIP KCO

> Republic of Kazakhstan

>

> Hello all,

Decant, using a large cylinder and a

cheep (£50) decanting tool, you can safely refill your

smaller cylinders.

But don't mention this word to BOC.

Regards

McCullough

>

__________________________________________________

September 13, 2002

Bill,

I looked in to this for Angola a couple of years ago, But dropped the idea

not because of cost but because of safety and maintenance issues ?? Who

would maintain the equipment and keep it certified ??. Who would perform the

day to day filling safely ??. It was easier to buy extra bottles so we can

ship for refills and maintain a supply.

Sorry not very helpfull

paul brash

ISOS Angola

>From: " Base Paramedic [bT] " <Base_Paramedic@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: RE: Oxygen cylinder refilling

>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:40:35 +0500

>

>Hi and everyone,

>

>I'm not enquiring about decanting but FILLING the large cylinders with

>medical grade oxygen (as BOC do). I've found several differing types of

>equipment on the Net and was wondering if anybody else has used any in

>remote locations.

>

>Best regards,

>Bill

>

> Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

>

> --- " Base Paramedic [bT] "

><Base_Paramedic@...> wrote: > Hi all,

> >

> > Does anybody on the list have any experience filling

> > oxygen cylinders with medical grade oxygen? (using

> > generator, compressor, nitrogen and oxygen

> > calibrators etc)

> >

> > If anyone has; I would appreciate if you could let

> > me know what system you have/are using and approx

> > cost to set it up.

> >

> > Cheers,

> > Bill

> >

> > Bill Frew

> > International SOS Paramedic

> > AGIP KCO

> > Republic of Kazakhstan

> >

> > Hello all,

> Decant, using a large cylinder and a

>cheep (£50) decanting tool, you can safely refill your

>smaller cylinders.

>But don't mention this word to BOC.

>Regards

> McCullough

>

> >

>

>__________________________________________________

>

September 13, 2002

,

Just a curious point but I have always been taught that the O2 used

for welding should not be used as it could contain metal filings and other

debris. As far as I am aware medical grade O2 is much purer.

Might be wrong but it was just a thought.

How is life on the Murdoch ? Must be a quiet place, as I remember from when

I was on the Iona rescue vessel there was only a few personnel on it !

All the best,

Andy

Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

--- " Base Paramedic [bT] "

<Base_Paramedic@...> wrote: > Hi all,

>

> Does anybody on the list have any experience filling

> oxygen cylinders with medical grade oxygen? (using

> generator, compressor, nitrogen and oxygen

> calibrators etc)

>

> If anyone has; I would appreciate if you could let

> me know what system you have/are using and approx

> cost to set it up.

>

> Cheers,

> Bill

>

> Bill Frew

> International SOS Paramedic

> AGIP KCO

> Republic of Kazakhstan

>

> Hello all,

Decant, using a large cylinder and a

cheep (£50) decanting tool, you can safely refill your

smaller cylinders.

But don't mention this word to BOC.

Regards

McCullough

>

__________________________________________________

September 13, 2002

Hi Andy,

Murdoch - Just put in a new jacket, but already getting winter quiet...

O2 - The argument I was given, which makes sense to me, is that welding gases

have to be much more pure because they maybe required to be used in specialist

welding, e.g. high pressure pipe work, so the weld must be a clean weld by the

use of exact gas mixes i.e. pure gas with no impurities. These days with

computers being used in some types of welding, to my mind, could not be truer

with the types of today's engineering rather than the over engineering of the

past.

Cheers

Medic

Murdoch Platform

Conoco (UK) Ltd.

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Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

,

Just a curious point but I have always been taught that the O2 used

for welding should not be used as it could contain metal filings and other

debris. As far as I am aware medical grade O2 is much purer.

Might be wrong but it was just a thought.

How is life on the Murdoch ? Must be a quiet place, as I remember from when

I was on the Iona rescue vessel there was only a few personnel on it !

All the best,

Andy

Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

--- " Base Paramedic [bT] "

<Base_Paramedic@...> wrote: > Hi all,

>

> Does anybody on the list have any experience filling

> oxygen cylinders with medical grade oxygen? (using

> generator, compressor, nitrogen and oxygen

> calibrators etc)

>

> If anyone has; I would appreciate if you could let

> me know what system you have/are using and approx

> cost to set it up.

>

> Cheers,

> Bill

>

> Bill Frew

> International SOS Paramedic

> AGIP KCO

> Republic of Kazakhstan

>

> Hello all,

Decant, using a large cylinder and a

cheep (£50) decanting tool, you can safely refill your

smaller cylinders.

But don't mention this word to BOC.

Regards

McCullough

>

__________________________________________________

September 13, 2002

I was told only ever to use medical O2, and never to go below 80% because of

junk in the steel cylinders, everyone I have asked says welding O2 is a no

go.

Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

>,

> Just a curious point but I have always been taught that the O2 used

>for welding should not be used as it could contain metal filings and other

>debris. As far as I am aware medical grade O2 is much purer.

> Might be wrong but it was just a thought.

> How is life on the Murdoch ? Must be a quiet place, as I remember from

when

>I was on the Iona rescue vessel there was only a few personnel on it !

> All the best,

> Andy

> Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

>

>--- " Base Paramedic [bT] "

><Base_Paramedic@...> wrote: > Hi all,

>>

>> Does anybody on the list have any experience filling

>> oxygen cylinders with medical grade oxygen? (using

>> generator, compressor, nitrogen and oxygen

>> calibrators etc)

>>

>> If anyone has; I would appreciate if you could let

>> me know what system you have/are using and approx

>> cost to set it up.

>>

>> Cheers,

>> Bill

>>

>> Bill Frew

>> International SOS Paramedic

>> AGIP KCO

>> Republic of Kazakhstan

>>

>> Hello all,

> Decant, using a large cylinder and a

>cheep (£50) decanting tool, you can safely refill your

>smaller cylinders.

>But don't mention this word to BOC.

>Regards

> McCullough

>

>>

>

>__________________________________________________

>

September 14, 2002

Hello Bill,

I have used oxygen in remote locations for diving purposes, mixed gas etc.

You cannot use industrial grade oxygen for human consumption, it is not of

a higher quality, the main difference is when industrial bottles are

refilled they

are not emptied, just topped up, as a result contaminants can get into the

system, medical bottles must be emptied before being refilled.

Medical O2 sometimes, not always has water added to make breathing easier.

I have a book on how to set up compressors, mixing systems, cleaning procedures

etc. It can be sent via e-mail, I will have to check file size and then you

decide if

you want it sent direct to you, Off line from main board, best.

If large quantities required and shipping costs of bottles, in and out, is

prohibitive,

then a oxygen generator machine is an option, costs approx 20K sterling only

worth while as a long term investment.

Regards

At 09:33 12/09/02 +0500, you wrote:

>Hi all,

>

>Does anybody on the list have any experience filling oxygen cylinders with

>medical grade oxygen? (using generator, compressor, nitrogen and oxygen

>calibrators etc)

>

>If anyone has; I would appreciate if you could let me know what system you

>have/are using and approx cost to set it up.

>

>Cheers,

>Bill

>

>Bill Frew

>International SOS Paramedic

>AGIP KCO

>Republic of Kazakhstan

>

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September 14, 2002

All,

Bill was neither suggesting the use of industrial oxygen or advocating

its use.

His original question was " has any one had any experience of using

compressors to fill bottles with medical grade oxygen for use in remote

locations " The idea being to cut down our costs, and monitor quality

when having our bottles locally filled.

Quite how it turned into a can you use welding oxygen I don't really

know....

Best Wishes

Listowner

Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

Hello Bill,

I have used oxygen in remote locations for diving purposes, mixed gas

etc.

You cannot use industrial grade oxygen for human consumption, it is not

of a higher quality, the main difference is when industrial bottles are

refilled they

are not emptied, just topped up, as a result contaminants can get into

the system, medical bottles must be emptied before being refilled.

Medical O2 sometimes, not always has water added to make breathing

easier.

I have a book on how to set up compressors, mixing systems, cleaning

procedures etc. It can be sent via e-mail, I will have to check file

size and then you

decide if

you want it sent direct to you, Off line from main board, best.

If large quantities required and shipping costs of bottles, in and out,

is

prohibitive,

then a oxygen generator machine is an option, costs approx 20K sterling

only worth while as a long term investment.

Regards

At 09:33 12/09/02 +0500, you wrote:

>Hi all,

>

>Does anybody on the list have any experience filling oxygen cylinders

>with

>medical grade oxygen? (using generator, compressor, nitrogen and oxygen

>calibrators etc)

>

>If anyone has; I would appreciate if you could let me know what system

>you

>have/are using and approx cost to set it up.

>

>Cheers,

>Bill

>

>Bill Frew

>International SOS Paramedic

>AGIP KCO

>Republic of Kazakhstan

>

>Member Information:

>

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September 14, 2002

Ian,

As says - how are you going to ensure you have the correct grade of

O2 without making it yourself? I am sure you've been there - take what

you can get - 'cause it's better than nothing!

The following link may be of some use Bill:

http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/pubns/indg308.pdf

Having used O2 from some very suspect sources, with respect to quality,

I would be happy to use welding O2 - Also held in a couple sickbays I've

worked in was an adapter to refill medical bottles from welding bottles,

not done it myself though.

As for metal in welding bottles, any bits could very easily clog the

torch...and would have to be smaller than about 0.3um (v. small) to

infiltrate the lung fully.

- water in O2 bottles? - how often do you have to test those? as O2

+ H2O + Fe = rust quickly.

Cheers

Medic

Murdoch Platform

Conoco (UK) Ltd.

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Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

Hello Bill,

I have used oxygen in remote locations for diving purposes, mixed gas

etc.

You cannot use industrial grade oxygen for human consumption, it is not

of a higher quality, the main difference is when industrial bottles are

refilled they

are not emptied, just topped up, as a result contaminants can get into

the system, medical bottles must be emptied before being refilled.

Medical O2 sometimes, not always has water added to make breathing

easier.

I have a book on how to set up compressors, mixing systems, cleaning

procedures etc. It can be sent via e-mail, I will have to check file

size and then you

decide if

you want it sent direct to you, Off line from main board, best.

If large quantities required and shipping costs of bottles, in and out,

is

prohibitive,

then a oxygen generator machine is an option, costs approx 20K sterling

only worth while as a long term investment.

Regards

At 09:33 12/09/02 +0500, you wrote:

>Hi all,

>

>Does anybody on the list have any experience filling oxygen cylinders

>with

>medical grade oxygen? (using generator, compressor, nitrogen and oxygen

>calibrators etc)

>

>If anyone has; I would appreciate if you could let me know what system

>you

>have/are using and approx cost to set it up.

>

>Cheers,

>Bill

>

>Bill Frew

>International SOS Paramedic

>AGIP KCO

>Republic of Kazakhstan

>

>Member Information:

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September 14, 2002

I have never heard of water added to Oxygen for medical use in the cylinder,

only humidified external to the cylinder, is this common?

C

Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

>

>Hello Bill,

>

>I have used oxygen in remote locations for diving purposes, mixed gas

>etc.

>

>You cannot use industrial grade oxygen for human consumption, it is not

>of a higher quality, the main difference is when industrial bottles are

>refilled they

>are not emptied, just topped up, as a result contaminants can get into

>the system, medical bottles must be emptied before being refilled.

>Medical O2 sometimes, not always has water added to make breathing

>easier.

>

>I have a book on how to set up compressors, mixing systems, cleaning

>procedures etc. It can be sent via e-mail, I will have to check file

>size and then you

>decide if

>you want it sent direct to you, Off line from main board, best.

>

>If large quantities required and shipping costs of bottles, in and out,

>is

>prohibitive,

>then a oxygen generator machine is an option, costs approx 20K sterling

>only worth while as a long term investment.

>

>Regards

>

>At 09:33 12/09/02 +0500, you wrote:

>

>>Hi all,

>>

>>Does anybody on the list have any experience filling oxygen cylinders

>>with

>>medical grade oxygen? (using generator, compressor, nitrogen and oxygen

>

>>calibrators etc)

>>

>>If anyone has; I would appreciate if you could let me know what system

>>you

>>have/are using and approx cost to set it up.

>>

>>Cheers,

>>Bill

>>

>>Bill Frew

>>International SOS Paramedic

>>AGIP KCO

>>Republic of Kazakhstan

>>

>>Member Information:

>>

>>List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@...

>>Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@...

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September 15, 2002

Many thanks for the interesting comments all - especially , comments noted

mate and from the investigations I have done so far it looks like I'll be

drawing the same conclusions.

As Ian pointed out: I never mentioned using welding oxy and certainly wouldn't

condone it's use due to the possibility of impurities, dirt inside cylinders and

lastly is it definitely oxygen?

Thanks,

Bill

September 15, 2002

Bill

A quote from the World Federation of Societies of Anaesthesiologists web

site

" Other sources of oxygen are worth considering. Industrial (welding)

oxygen is normally made by the same process as " Medical oxygen " - and

indeed industrial oxygen is often made to a higher degree of purity! You

must check your own local specification! "

Cheers

Medic

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RE: Oxygen cylinder refilling

Many thanks for the interesting comments all - especially , comments

noted mate and from the investigations I have done so far it looks like

I'll be drawing the same conclusions.

As Ian pointed out: I never mentioned using welding oxy and certainly

wouldn't condone it's use due to the possibility of impurities, dirt

inside cylinders and lastly is it definitely oxygen?

Thanks,

Bill

September 15, 2002

I know that it is slightly off the main subject of refilling large cylinders,

but has anyone ever thought of using an oxygen concentrator. I've used them in

fixed facilities and they work well giving something like 50% at a flow rate of

4 lpm.

OwenD

Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

Hello Bill,

I have used oxygen in remote locations for diving purposes, mixed gas

etc.

You cannot use industrial grade oxygen for human consumption, it is not

of a higher quality, the main difference is when industrial bottles are

refilled they

are not emptied, just topped up, as a result contaminants can get into

the system, medical bottles must be emptied before being refilled.

Medical O2 sometimes, not always has water added to make breathing

easier.

I have a book on how to set up compressors, mixing systems, cleaning

procedures etc. It can be sent via e-mail, I will have to check file

size and then you

decide if

you want it sent direct to you, Off line from main board, best.

If large quantities required and shipping costs of bottles, in and out,

is

prohibitive,

then a oxygen generator machine is an option, costs approx 20K sterling

only worth while as a long term investment.

Regards

At 09:33 12/09/02 +0500, you wrote:

>Hi all,

>

>Does anybody on the list have any experience filling oxygen cylinders

>with

>medical grade oxygen? (using generator, compressor, nitrogen and oxygen

>calibrators etc)

>

>If anyone has; I would appreciate if you could let me know what system

>you

>have/are using and approx cost to set it up.

>

>Cheers,

>Bill

>

>Bill Frew

>International SOS Paramedic

>AGIP KCO

>Republic of Kazakhstan

>

>Member Information:

>

>List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@...

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September 15, 2002

Good point Owen,

Here's the web site I cited as my source:

http://www.nda.ox.ac.uk/wfsa/html/u03/u03_013.htm

That discusses oxygen concentrators

Cheers

>From: " Owen Donnelly " <owen.donnelly@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

>Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:25:08 +0100

>

>I know that it is slightly off the main subject of refilling large

>cylinders, but has anyone ever thought of using an oxygen concentrator.

>I've used them in fixed facilities and they work well giving something like

>50% at a flow rate of 4 lpm.

>

>OwenD

> Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

>

> Hello Bill,

>

> I have used oxygen in remote locations for diving purposes, mixed gas

> etc.

>

> You cannot use industrial grade oxygen for human consumption, it is not

> of a higher quality, the main difference is when industrial bottles are

> refilled they

> are not emptied, just topped up, as a result contaminants can get into

> the system, medical bottles must be emptied before being refilled.

> Medical O2 sometimes, not always has water added to make breathing

> easier.

>

> I have a book on how to set up compressors, mixing systems, cleaning

> procedures etc. It can be sent via e-mail, I will have to check file

> size and then you

> decide if

> you want it sent direct to you, Off line from main board, best.

>

> If large quantities required and shipping costs of bottles, in and out,

> is

> prohibitive,

> then a oxygen generator machine is an option, costs approx 20K sterling

> only worth while as a long term investment.

>

> Regards

>

> At 09:33 12/09/02 +0500, you wrote:

>

> >Hi all,

> >

> >Does anybody on the list have any experience filling oxygen cylinders

> >with

> >medical grade oxygen? (using generator, compressor, nitrogen and oxygen

>

> >calibrators etc)

> >

> >If anyone has; I would appreciate if you could let me know what system

> >you

> >have/are using and approx cost to set it up.

> >

> >Cheers,

> >Bill

> >

> >Bill Frew

> >International SOS Paramedic

> >AGIP KCO

> >Republic of Kazakhstan

> >

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> >

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September 15, 2002

Talking about O2 cylinders has anyone used the new ones that are fibre not

metal

Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

>I know that it is slightly off the main subject of refilling large

cylinders, but has anyone ever thought of using an oxygen concentrator. I've

used them in fixed facilities and they work well giving something like 50%

at a flow rate of 4 lpm.

>

>OwenD

> Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

>

> Hello Bill,

>

> I have used oxygen in remote locations for diving purposes, mixed gas

> etc.

>

> You cannot use industrial grade oxygen for human consumption, it is not

> of a higher quality, the main difference is when industrial bottles are

> refilled they

> are not emptied, just topped up, as a result contaminants can get into

> the system, medical bottles must be emptied before being refilled.

> Medical O2 sometimes, not always has water added to make breathing

> easier.

>

> I have a book on how to set up compressors, mixing systems, cleaning

> procedures etc. It can be sent via e-mail, I will have to check file

> size and then you

> decide if

> you want it sent direct to you, Off line from main board, best.

>

> If large quantities required and shipping costs of bottles, in and out,

> is

> prohibitive,

> then a oxygen generator machine is an option, costs approx 20K sterling

> only worth while as a long term investment.

>

> Regards

>

> At 09:33 12/09/02 +0500, you wrote:

>

> >Hi all,

> >

> >Does anybody on the list have any experience filling oxygen cylinders

> >with

> >medical grade oxygen? (using generator, compressor, nitrogen and oxygen

>

> >calibrators etc)

> >

> >If anyone has; I would appreciate if you could let me know what system

> >you

> >have/are using and approx cost to set it up.

> >

> >Cheers,

> >Bill

> >

> >Bill Frew

> >International SOS Paramedic

> >AGIP KCO

> >Republic of Kazakhstan

> >

> >Member Information:

> >

> >List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@...

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> >

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September 15, 2002

Good equipment for a fixed facility but no good for trauma or MI's and as

we all know our population group are getting older and becoming a greater

risk of MI's most likely in the field, Need Oxygen bottles to deliver high

flow Oxygen. Can concentrators be used to refill bottles ???.

Also in the Back of beyond maintenance always becomes an issue, Here we

would be talking about flying a BOC engineer from the UK or South Africa at

around 1000 quid a day plus 500 quid travel days ( I'm in the wrong bloody

Job).

Our Oxygen cylinders are filled at the same company as our Welding Oxygen

Purity is not an issue as we test every bottle before using, If you have

enough cylinders then you can afford to have some off site being filled.

At anyone time I have 16 G size cylinders offsite with 32 on site, I also

stock a number of F size as back up in case of shipping delays. It's a

faily big investment initially but worth the peace of mind in the long run

as Quality control is assured.

.

>From: " Owen Donnelly " <owen.donnelly@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

>Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:25:08 +0100

>

>I know that it is slightly off the main subject of refilling large

>cylinders, but has anyone ever thought of using an oxygen concentrator.

>I've used them in fixed facilities and they work well giving something like

>50% at a flow rate of 4 lpm.

>

>OwenD

> Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

>

> Hello Bill,

>

> I have used oxygen in remote locations for diving purposes, mixed gas

> etc.

>

> You cannot use industrial grade oxygen for human consumption, it is not

> of a higher quality, the main difference is when industrial bottles are

> refilled they

> are not emptied, just topped up, as a result contaminants can get into

> the system, medical bottles must be emptied before being refilled.

> Medical O2 sometimes, not always has water added to make breathing

> easier.

>

> I have a book on how to set up compressors, mixing systems, cleaning

> procedures etc. It can be sent via e-mail, I will have to check file

> size and then you

> decide if

> you want it sent direct to you, Off line from main board, best.

>

> If large quantities required and shipping costs of bottles, in and out,

> is

> prohibitive,

> then a oxygen generator machine is an option, costs approx 20K sterling

> only worth while as a long term investment.

>

> Regards

>

> At 09:33 12/09/02 +0500, you wrote:

>

> >Hi all,

> >

> >Does anybody on the list have any experience filling oxygen cylinders

> >with

> >medical grade oxygen? (using generator, compressor, nitrogen and oxygen

>

> >calibrators etc)

> >

> >If anyone has; I would appreciate if you could let me know what system

> >you

> >have/are using and approx cost to set it up.

> >

> >Cheers,

> >Bill

> >

> >Bill Frew

> >International SOS Paramedic

> >AGIP KCO

> >Republic of Kazakhstan

> >

> >Member Information:

> >

> >List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@...

> >Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@...

> >

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> >

September 15, 2002

,

By what method do you check your purity? Just curious do you have some

sort of inline meter or such?

Thanks

Ian

Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

>Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:25:08 +0100

>

>I know that it is slightly off the main subject of refilling large

>cylinders, but has anyone ever thought of using an oxygen concentrator.

>I've used them in fixed facilities and they work well giving something

like

>50% at a flow rate of 4 lpm.

>

>OwenD

> Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

>

> Hello Bill,

>

> I have used oxygen in remote locations for diving purposes, mixed

gas

> etc.

>

> You cannot use industrial grade oxygen for human consumption, it is

not

> of a higher quality, the main difference is when industrial bottles

are

> refilled they

> are not emptied, just topped up, as a result contaminants can get

into

> the system, medical bottles must be emptied before being refilled.

> Medical O2 sometimes, not always has water added to make breathing

> easier.

>

> I have a book on how to set up compressors, mixing systems, cleaning

> procedures etc. It can be sent via e-mail, I will have to check file

> size and then you

> decide if

> you want it sent direct to you, Off line from main board, best.

>

> If large quantities required and shipping costs of bottles, in and

out,

> is

> prohibitive,

> then a oxygen generator machine is an option, costs approx 20K

sterling

> only worth while as a long term investment.

>

> Regards

>

> At 09:33 12/09/02 +0500, you wrote:

>

> >Hi all,

> >

> >Does anybody on the list have any experience filling oxygen

cylinders

> >with

> >medical grade oxygen? (using generator, compressor, nitrogen and

> oxygen

>

> >calibrators etc)

> >

> >If anyone has; I would appreciate if you could let me know what

system

> >you

> >have/are using and approx cost to set it up.

> >

> >Cheers,

> >Bill

> >

> >Bill Frew

> >International SOS Paramedic

> >AGIP KCO

> >Republic of Kazakhstan

> >

> >Member Information:

> >

> >List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@...

> >Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@...

> >

> >Post message: egroups

> >Subscribe: -subscribeegroups

> >Unsubscribe: -unsubscribeegroups

> >

> >Thank you for supporting Remote Medics Online.

> >

September 16, 2002

Ian,

We use an Oxygen cell to measure purity always comes at 100% or 99.99

>From: " Ian Sharpe " <Ian@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: RE: Oxygen cylinder refilling

>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:10:10 +0300

>

>,

>

>By what method do you check your purity? Just curious do you have some

>sort of inline meter or such?

>

>Thanks

>

>Ian

>

> Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

> >Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:25:08 +0100

> >

> >I know that it is slightly off the main subject of refilling large

> >cylinders, but has anyone ever thought of using an oxygen concentrator.

>

> >I've used them in fixed facilities and they work well giving something

>like

> >50% at a flow rate of 4 lpm.

> >

> >OwenD

> > Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

> >

> > Hello Bill,

> >

> > I have used oxygen in remote locations for diving purposes, mixed

>gas

> > etc.

> >

> > You cannot use industrial grade oxygen for human consumption, it is

>not

> > of a higher quality, the main difference is when industrial bottles

>are

> > refilled they

> > are not emptied, just topped up, as a result contaminants can get

>into

> > the system, medical bottles must be emptied before being refilled.

> > Medical O2 sometimes, not always has water added to make breathing

> > easier.

> >

> > I have a book on how to set up compressors, mixing systems, cleaning

> > procedures etc. It can be sent via e-mail, I will have to check file

> > size and then you

> > decide if

> > you want it sent direct to you, Off line from main board, best.

> >

> > If large quantities required and shipping costs of bottles, in and

>out,

> > is

> > prohibitive,

> > then a oxygen generator machine is an option, costs approx 20K

>sterling

> > only worth while as a long term investment.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > At 09:33 12/09/02 +0500, you wrote:

> >

> > >Hi all,

> > >

> > >Does anybody on the list have any experience filling oxygen

>cylinders

> > >with

> > >medical grade oxygen? (using generator, compressor, nitrogen and

> > oxygen

> >

> > >calibrators etc)

> > >

> > >If anyone has; I would appreciate if you could let me know what

>system

> > >you

> > >have/are using and approx cost to set it up.

> > >

> > >Cheers,

> > >Bill

> > >

> > >Bill Frew

> > >International SOS Paramedic

> > >AGIP KCO

> > >Republic of Kazakhstan

> > >

> > >Member Information:

> > >

> > >List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@...

> > >Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@...

> > >

> > >Post message: egroups

> > >Subscribe: -subscribeegroups

> > >Unsubscribe: -unsubscribeegroups

> > >

> > >Thank you for supporting Remote Medics Online.

> > >

September 16, 2002

Enlighten me , I ve never heard of an oxygen cell, is it something

that changes colour with purity or a digital meter or what?

Thanks

Ian

Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

> >Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:25:08 +0100

> >

> >I know that it is slightly off the main subject of refilling large

> >cylinders, but has anyone ever thought of using an oxygen

> >concentrator.

>

> >I've used them in fixed facilities and they work well giving

> >something

>like

> >50% at a flow rate of 4 lpm.

> >

> >OwenD

> > Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

> >

> > Hello Bill,

> >

> > I have used oxygen in remote locations for diving purposes, mixed

>gas

> > etc.

> >

> > You cannot use industrial grade oxygen for human consumption, it

> > is

>not

> > of a higher quality, the main difference is when industrial

> > bottles

>are

> > refilled they

> > are not emptied, just topped up, as a result contaminants can get

>into

> > the system, medical bottles must be emptied before being refilled.

> > Medical O2 sometimes, not always has water added to make breathing

> > easier.

> >

> > I have a book on how to set up compressors, mixing systems,

cleaning

> > procedures etc. It can be sent via e-mail, I will have to check

file

> > size and then you

> > decide if

> > you want it sent direct to you, Off line from main board, best.

> >

> > If large quantities required and shipping costs of bottles, in and

>out,

> > is

> > prohibitive,

> > then a oxygen generator machine is an option, costs approx 20K

>sterling

> > only worth while as a long term investment.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > At 09:33 12/09/02 +0500, you wrote:

> >

> > >Hi all,

> > >

> > >Does anybody on the list have any experience filling oxygen

>cylinders

> > >with

> > >medical grade oxygen? (using generator, compressor, nitrogen and

> > oxygen

> >

> > >calibrators etc)

> > >

> > >If anyone has; I would appreciate if you could let me know what

>system

> > >you

> > >have/are using and approx cost to set it up.

> > >

> > >Cheers,

> > >Bill

> > >

> > >Bill Frew

> > >International SOS Paramedic

> > >AGIP KCO

> > >Republic of Kazakhstan

> > >

> > >Member Information:

> > >

> > >List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@...

> > >Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@...

> > >

> > >Post message: egroups

> > >Subscribe: -subscribeegroups

> > >Unsubscribe: -unsubscribeegroups

> > >

> > >Thank you for supporting Remote Medics Online.

> > >

September 16, 2002

Ian,

It's a digital meter see http://www.servomex.com/ANALYSER/portable.shtm

Or another method if you have a servo ventilator or other with a built in

Oxygen cell it can read the Oxygen purity for you ( ie you connect up the

bottle and turn to 100% on the mix valve and then see what the % is on the

digital read out).

Hope that makes a bit of sense, those folks who have used a Sevro 900B will

know what I mean.

.

>From: " Ian Sharpe " <Ian@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: RE: Oxygen cylinder refilling

>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:57:46 +0300

>

>Enlighten me , I ve never heard of an oxygen cell, is it something

>that changes colour with purity or a digital meter or what?

>

>Thanks

>

>Ian

>

> Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

> > >Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:25:08 +0100

> > >

> > >I know that it is slightly off the main subject of refilling large

> > >cylinders, but has anyone ever thought of using an oxygen

> > >concentrator.

> >

> > >I've used them in fixed facilities and they work well giving

> > >something

> >like

> > >50% at a flow rate of 4 lpm.

> > >

> > >OwenD

> > > Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

> > >

> > > Hello Bill,

> > >

> > > I have used oxygen in remote locations for diving purposes, mixed

> >gas

> > > etc.

> > >

> > > You cannot use industrial grade oxygen for human consumption, it

> > > is

> >not

> > > of a higher quality, the main difference is when industrial

> > > bottles

> >are

> > > refilled they

> > > are not emptied, just topped up, as a result contaminants can get

> >into

> > > the system, medical bottles must be emptied before being refilled.

> > > Medical O2 sometimes, not always has water added to make breathing

> > > easier.

> > >

> > > I have a book on how to set up compressors, mixing systems,

>cleaning

> > > procedures etc. It can be sent via e-mail, I will have to check

>file

> > > size and then you

> > > decide if

> > > you want it sent direct to you, Off line from main board, best.

> > >

> > > If large quantities required and shipping costs of bottles, in and

> >out,

> > > is

> > > prohibitive,

> > > then a oxygen generator machine is an option, costs approx 20K

> >sterling

> > > only worth while as a long term investment.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > At 09:33 12/09/02 +0500, you wrote:

> > >

> > > >Hi all,

> > > >

> > > >Does anybody on the list have any experience filling oxygen

> >cylinders

> > > >with

> > > >medical grade oxygen? (using generator, compressor, nitrogen and

> > > oxygen

> > >

> > > >calibrators etc)

> > > >

> > > >If anyone has; I would appreciate if you could let me know what

> >system

> > > >you

> > > >have/are using and approx cost to set it up.

> > > >

> > > >Cheers,

> > > >Bill

> > > >

> > > >Bill Frew

> > > >International SOS Paramedic

> > > >AGIP KCO

> > > >Republic of Kazakhstan

> > > >

> > > >Member Information:

> > > >

> > > >List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@...

> > > >Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@...

> > > >

> > > >Post message: egroups

> > > >Subscribe: -subscribeegroups

> > > >Unsubscribe: -unsubscribeegroups

> > > >

> > > >Thank you for supporting Remote Medics Online.

> > > >

September 19, 2002

Hi folks

Staffs Ambulance use the lightweight O2 cylinders. They are indeed,

lightweight and have an integral regulator. The cylinder also contains more

O2 than our previous BOC 'D' size cylinder, therefor lasts longer in the

field. Exact figures I'm afraid I cannot tell you today, but I am back at

work tomorrow and will get some details.

The supplier is Linde Gases.

Cheers

Steve

Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

> >

> > Hello Bill,

> >

> > I have used oxygen in remote locations for diving purposes, mixed gas

> > etc.

> >

> > You cannot use industrial grade oxygen for human consumption, it is not

> > of a higher quality, the main difference is when industrial bottles are

> > refilled they

> > are not emptied, just topped up, as a result contaminants can get into

> > the system, medical bottles must be emptied before being refilled.

> > Medical O2 sometimes, not always has water added to make breathing

> > easier.

> >

> > I have a book on how to set up compressors, mixing systems, cleaning

> > procedures etc. It can be sent via e-mail, I will have to check file

> > size and then you

> > decide if

> > you want it sent direct to you, Off line from main board, best.

> >

> > If large quantities required and shipping costs of bottles, in and out,

> > is

> > prohibitive,

> > then a oxygen generator machine is an option, costs approx 20K sterling

> > only worth while as a long term investment.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > At 09:33 12/09/02 +0500, you wrote:

> >

> > >Hi all,

> > >

> > >Does anybody on the list have any experience filling oxygen cylinders

> > >with

> > >medical grade oxygen? (using generator, compressor, nitrogen and

oxygen

> >

> > >calibrators etc)

> > >

> > >If anyone has; I would appreciate if you could let me know what system

> > >you

> > >have/are using and approx cost to set it up.

> > >

> > >Cheers,

> > >Bill

> > >

> > >Bill Frew

> > >International SOS Paramedic

> > >AGIP KCO

> > >Republic of Kazakhstan

> > >

> > >Member Information:

> > >

> > >List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@...

> > >Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@...

> > >

> > >Post message: egroups

> > >Subscribe: -subscribeegroups

> > >Unsubscribe: -unsubscribeegroups

> > >

> > >Thank you for supporting Remote Medics Online.

> > >

September 20, 2002

Has anyone seen anything of the resuscitator that takes a standard O2

cylinder and recycles the unused O2 so that a supply lasts longer, it was

intended for field use, invented by an Aenesthetist and featured in

tomorrow's world I can't seem to find anything anywhere on it.

Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

>Hi folks

>

>Staffs Ambulance use the lightweight O2 cylinders. They are indeed,

>lightweight and have an integral regulator. The cylinder also contains

more

>O2 than our previous BOC 'D' size cylinder, therefor lasts longer in the

>field. Exact figures I'm afraid I cannot tell you today, but I am back at

>work tomorrow and will get some details.

>

>The supplier is Linde Gases.

>

>Cheers

>

>Steve

>

> Re: Oxygen cylinder refilling

>> >

>> > Hello Bill,

>> >

>> > I have used oxygen in remote locations for diving purposes, mixed gas

>> > etc.

>> >

>> > You cannot use industrial grade oxygen for human consumption, it is

not

>> > of a higher quality, the main difference is when industrial bottles

are

>> > refilled they

>> > are not emptied, just topped up, as a result contaminants can get into

>> > the system, medical bottles must be emptied before being refilled.

>> > Medical O2 sometimes, not always has water added to make breathing

>> > easier.

>> >

>> > I have a book on how to set up compressors, mixing systems, cleaning

>> > procedures etc. It can be sent via e-mail, I will have to check file

>> > size and then you

>> > decide if

>> > you want it sent direct to you, Off line from main board, best.

>> >

>> > If large quantities required and shipping costs of bottles, in and

out,

>> > is

>> > prohibitive,

>> > then a oxygen generator machine is an option, costs approx 20K

sterling

>> > only worth while as a long term investment.

>> >

>> > Regards

>> >

>> > At 09:33 12/09/02 +0500, you wrote:

>> >

>> > >Hi all,

>> > >

>> > >Does anybody on the list have any experience filling oxygen cylinders

>> > >with

>> > >medical grade oxygen? (using generator, compressor, nitrogen and

>oxygen

>> >

>> > >calibrators etc)

>> > >

>> > >If anyone has; I would appreciate if you could let me know what

system

>> > >you

>> > >have/are using and approx cost to set it up.

>> > >

>> > >Cheers,

>> > >Bill

>> > >

>> > >Bill Frew

>> > >International SOS Paramedic

>> > >AGIP KCO

>> > >Republic of Kazakhstan

>> > >

>> > >Member Information:

>> > >

>> > >List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@...

>> > >Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@...

>> > >

>> > >Post message: egroups

>> > >Subscribe: -subscribeegroups

>> > >Unsubscribe: -unsubscribeegroups

>> > >

>> > >Thank you for supporting Remote Medics Online.

>> > >

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