Guest guest Posted December 9, 2003 Report Share Posted December 9, 2003 Hi All, I am new to the list & have a question. We make Goat Milk Soap & decided to try Goat Milk Lotion. Made a batch on Saturday,by Monday it started to turn to half liquid & half lotion. What would make this happen? Thank You, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I would bump your Ewax up to 5-8% for that amount of water phase... 5% for lotion - 8% for cream ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I would bump your Ewax up to 5-8% for that amount of water phase... 5% for lotion - 8% for cream ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I would bump your Ewax up to 5-8% for that amount of water phase... 5% for lotion - 8% for cream ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I would bump your Ewax up to 5-8% for that amount of water phase... 5% for lotion - 8% for cream ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I would bump your Ewax up to 5-8% for that amount of water phase... 5% for lotion - 8% for cream ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I would bump your Ewax up to 5-8% for that amount of water phase... 5% for lotion - 8% for cream ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I would bump your Ewax up to 5-8% for that amount of water phase... 5% for lotion - 8% for cream ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I would bump your Ewax up to 5-8% for that amount of water phase... 5% for lotion - 8% for cream ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I would bump your Ewax up to 5-8% for that amount of water phase... 5% for lotion - 8% for cream ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I would bump your Ewax up to 5-8% for that amount of water phase... 5% for lotion - 8% for cream ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 ewax was too thick at 3% with an 80% water phase?.. Now it sounds like maybe the amount aloe might have something to do with this formulation. I wish I could be more help.... I never ever use aloe as more than a small additive, not to this extent of a percentage, I use waters ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 ewax was too thick at 3% with an 80% water phase?.. Now it sounds like maybe the amount aloe might have something to do with this formulation. I wish I could be more help.... I never ever use aloe as more than a small additive, not to this extent of a percentage, I use waters ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 ewax was too thick at 3% with an 80% water phase?.. Now it sounds like maybe the amount aloe might have something to do with this formulation. I wish I could be more help.... I never ever use aloe as more than a small additive, not to this extent of a percentage, I use waters ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 ewax was too thick at 3% with an 80% water phase?.. Now it sounds like maybe the amount aloe might have something to do with this formulation. I wish I could be more help.... I never ever use aloe as more than a small additive, not to this extent of a percentage, I use waters ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 ewax was too thick at 3% with an 80% water phase?.. Now it sounds like maybe the amount aloe might have something to do with this formulation. I wish I could be more help.... I never ever use aloe as more than a small additive, not to this extent of a percentage, I use waters ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 ewax was too thick at 3% with an 80% water phase?.. Now it sounds like maybe the amount aloe might have something to do with this formulation. I wish I could be more help.... I never ever use aloe as more than a small additive, not to this extent of a percentage, I use waters ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 ewax was too thick at 3% with an 80% water phase?.. Now it sounds like maybe the amount aloe might have something to do with this formulation. I wish I could be more help.... I never ever use aloe as more than a small additive, not to this extent of a percentage, I use waters ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 ewax was too thick at 3% with an 80% water phase?.. Now it sounds like maybe the amount aloe might have something to do with this formulation. I wish I could be more help.... I never ever use aloe as more than a small additive, not to this extent of a percentage, I use waters ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Hi Traci. Thanks for the reply. Here are my lotion formulations: Formulation #1 - too thin Water Phase - 80% aloe vera (george's) - 66% ethanol - 10% glycerin - 4% Oil Phase - 20% jojoba - 2%(w/infused burdock) avocado - 2% olive - 2% (w/infused comfrey leaf) kukui nut - 4% mango butter - 6% e-wax - 2% lecithin - 1% vit e - 1% Additives: 1/8 tsp xanthan gum (dissolved in the glycerin) 40 drops GSE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Formulation #2 - too thick Changes to formula: kukui nut - 2% mango butter - 7% e-wax - 3% Everything else is the same. Thanks in advance for all help!! Jeralyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 What's the ethanol for? I'd leave that out, that would be my prime suspect for causing the instability. The lecethin should be ok, but if you up the ewax to 5 or 8 percent, you probably won't need that either. I have no experience with GSE so I can't really say what that might be doing. I don't know about that exact kind of aloe, but I've used the water kind of juice in large amounts and the gel type in smaller amounts, and both worked fine. But you might try using a little less aloe until you get a formula that works, then experiment with more. Try a small batch, something like 75% water, 5% ewax, 20% oils, then your preservative. If that works, try adding the other ingredients one at a time til you find the culprit. Traci www.getemu.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 Well, I use the aloe in place of water for the liquid phase for preservative issues. Jeralyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 I use half aloe and half distilled water and I use e-wax and stearic acid. The e-wax is not going to thicken your lotion it will just make the lotion " draggy " on the skin. Go to Snowdrift farms.com and look at their lotion recipes and read about e-wax and stearic acid. I have used aloe for years. And I have also used Phenonip for years and not a problem ~Carol~ Re:Need help with lotion Well, I use the aloe in place of water for the liquid phase for preservative issues. Jeralyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 > > What's the ethanol for? > I use it as a preservative...much the same way as Dr. Bonner's sun dog lotion. This, and using the aloe instead of water will naturally preserve. Your ideas sound valid and you make some good points. I'm making some this weekend and I'm going to use your suggestions. I'll let you know how it turns out :-) Jeralyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 I've never heard of aloe being a part of a natural preservative system, but I have heard that it needs preservation in the same way/ratio as if it were the water percentage. The ethanol sounds like a good idea, but I can understand that it might cause emulsion problems. I would also be curious to know the outcome of this method of preserving when you have it challenge tested for bacteria and fungus (being an aqueous mixture - even 100% aloe is considered aqueous I'm thinking). Does the aloe you use already have preservative added? I'm thinking that amount only preserves the amt of aloe present, not anything extra it's mixed with in addition. I'm not happy with anything I've mixed yet (I make soap, but learning emulsions, trying HLB, etc), but I want to have it challenge tested..so far I am planning to use at The Sagescript Institute, but I'm interested if anyone has other suggestions? I'm wondering if Dr.Bonner's company just maybe has a MUCH larger, HUGE mixer and/or other equipment with shearing (or whatever else it's called) capacity that blends ethanol (and the other ingredients) in a way that maybe I can't duplicate at home with any of my mixers or blenders? If that's even a route to consider, might want to use a squirrel cage mixer or something like it in a bucket? I can't possibly see how it would work any faster, but maybe the shape of the mixing head might make a difference in stability like this: http://www.biospec.com/VisMixer.htm Frieda At 07:59 AM 3/30/2007, you wrote: > > > > > What's the ethanol for? > > >I use it as a preservative...much the same way as Dr. Bonner's sun dog >lotion. This, and using the aloe instead of water will naturally preserve. > >Your ideas sound valid and you make some good points. I'm making some >this weekend and I'm going to use your suggestions. I'll let you know >how it turns out :-) > >Jeralyn ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.22/739 - Release Date: 3/29/2007 1:36 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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