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Hi All,

I am new to the list & have a question.

We make Goat Milk Soap & decided to try Goat Milk Lotion.

Made a batch on Saturday,by Monday it started to turn to half liquid &

half lotion.

What would make this happen?

Thank You,

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ewax was too thick at 3% with an 80% water phase?.. Now it sounds like

maybe the amount aloe might have something to do with this formulation. I wish

I

could be more help.... I never ever use aloe as more than a small additive,

not to this extent of a percentage, I use waters

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ewax was too thick at 3% with an 80% water phase?.. Now it sounds like

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could be more help.... I never ever use aloe as more than a small additive,

not to this extent of a percentage, I use waters

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not to this extent of a percentage, I use waters

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not to this extent of a percentage, I use waters

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ewax was too thick at 3% with an 80% water phase?.. Now it sounds like

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not to this extent of a percentage, I use waters

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ewax was too thick at 3% with an 80% water phase?.. Now it sounds like

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not to this extent of a percentage, I use waters

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ewax was too thick at 3% with an 80% water phase?.. Now it sounds like

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not to this extent of a percentage, I use waters

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not to this extent of a percentage, I use waters

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Hi Traci. Thanks for the reply.

Here are my lotion formulations:

Formulation #1 - too thin

Water Phase - 80%

aloe vera (george's) - 66%

ethanol - 10%

glycerin - 4%

Oil Phase - 20%

jojoba - 2%(w/infused burdock)

avocado - 2%

olive - 2% (w/infused comfrey leaf)

kukui nut - 4%

mango butter - 6%

e-wax - 2%

lecithin - 1%

vit e - 1%

Additives:

1/8 tsp xanthan gum (dissolved in the glycerin)

40 drops GSE

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Formulation #2 - too thick

Changes to formula:

kukui nut - 2%

mango butter - 7%

e-wax - 3%

Everything else is the same.

Thanks in advance for all help!!

Jeralyn

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What's the ethanol for? I'd leave that out, that would be my prime suspect for

causing the instability. The lecethin should be ok, but if you up the ewax to 5

or 8 percent, you probably won't need that either. I have no experience with GSE

so I can't really say what that might be doing. I don't know about that exact

kind of aloe, but I've used the water kind of juice in large amounts and the gel

type in smaller amounts, and both worked fine. But you might try using a little

less aloe until you get a formula that works, then experiment with more. Try a

small batch, something like 75% water, 5% ewax, 20% oils, then your

preservative. If that works, try adding the other ingredients one at a time til

you find the culprit.

Traci

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I use half aloe and half distilled water and I use e-wax and stearic acid. The

e-wax is not going to thicken your lotion it will just make the lotion " draggy "

on the skin. Go to Snowdrift farms.com and look at their lotion recipes and read

about e-wax and stearic acid. I have used aloe for years. And I have also used

Phenonip for years and not a problem

~Carol~

Re:Need help with lotion

Well, I use the aloe in place of water for the liquid phase for

preservative issues.

Jeralyn

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>

> What's the ethanol for? >

I use it as a preservative...much the same way as Dr. Bonner's sun dog

lotion. This, and using the aloe instead of water will naturally preserve.

Your ideas sound valid and you make some good points. I'm making some

this weekend and I'm going to use your suggestions. I'll let you know

how it turns out :-)

Jeralyn

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I've never heard of aloe being a part of a natural preservative

system, but I have heard that it needs preservation in the same

way/ratio as if it were the water percentage. The ethanol sounds

like a good idea, but I can understand that it might cause emulsion problems.

I would also be curious to know the outcome of this method of

preserving when you have it challenge tested for bacteria and fungus

(being an aqueous mixture - even 100% aloe is considered aqueous I'm

thinking). Does the aloe you use already have preservative

added? I'm thinking that amount only preserves the amt of aloe

present, not anything extra it's mixed with in addition. I'm not

happy with anything I've mixed yet (I make soap, but learning

emulsions, trying HLB, etc), but I want to have it challenge

tested..so far I am planning to use at The Sagescript

Institute, but I'm interested if anyone has other suggestions?

I'm wondering if Dr.Bonner's company just maybe has a MUCH larger,

HUGE mixer and/or other equipment with shearing (or whatever else

it's called) capacity that blends ethanol (and the other ingredients)

in a way that maybe I can't duplicate at home with any of my mixers

or blenders? If that's even a route to consider, might want to use a

squirrel cage mixer or something like it in a bucket? I can't

possibly see how it would work any faster, but maybe the shape of the

mixing head might make a difference in stability like this:

http://www.biospec.com/VisMixer.htm

Frieda

At 07:59 AM 3/30/2007, you wrote:

>

> >

> > What's the ethanol for? >

>

>I use it as a preservative...much the same way as Dr. Bonner's sun dog

>lotion. This, and using the aloe instead of water will naturally preserve.

>

>Your ideas sound valid and you make some good points. I'm making some

>this weekend and I'm going to use your suggestions. I'll let you know

>how it turns out :-)

>

>Jeralyn

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