Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 All Please see the message below recieved from Ande Salvin at consultASAP. Pse take a look at the website and post your feedback direct to Ande. Thanks Ian -----Original Message----- From: Ande at consultASAP [mailto:ande@...] Sent: 01 August 2002 18:24 Ian@... Ian, we have finally managed to get our website up and running and look forward to your comments. Could you please do me a huge favour and mention it on the website for all the guys to check out. We have a really easy to use discussion forum on it and it would be great if the guys use it sometimes and let us know what topics of interest they want to see each month. I would appreciate it if you would forward the address to all your contacts on your email address book that you think may be interested. www.consultasap.com Cheers Kind Regards Ande Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 Dear Medics Difficult to know who one addresses with 'Dear Medics' but my description of medics on the consultasap website is not intended to offend simply to inform. Anyone of us on the inside, whether you call yourself medic or not, will know the difficulties that have arisen when poorly qualified or more likely poorly experienced 'medics' have run into difficulties. Throughout my carreer in the offshore industry I have fought to reconcile these difficulties. For many medics the Ministry of Defence has done them no favours by passing out bland reports of a medics career and without a defined and validated qualification system. These who know me are aware that I am a personal supporter of ex-military medics but I have demanded that the standard of practice is high. The Naval medics have had a particularly good reputation rightly so. For the most part I have not been let down anymore frequently by ex-military medics than I have by registered nurse medics, both of which we have in the North Sea. Happy to continue this discussion at www.consultasap.com knowledge bank. http://www.consultasap.com/cgi-bin/kb/ikonboard.cgi. Dr Keech m +44 7802 434410 t +44 1224 632034 e james@... Re: ConsultASAP Ian, reference this web site, I am not sure that the description of the Offshore Medic, is very complimentary. Although members on the list have done the Offshore Medics course, this I feel does not reflect the background of the medics themselves, and where they have been trained in which ever service of the armed forces prior to doing this type of work. We are all trained differently in the services/ units/ships/submarines/squadrons........etc it is just that civilians do not know what training we have done as it is not all put on pieces of paper to show to employers at an interview. Mine for 22 years in the RNMS for example. Just the thoughts of a Medic. Gareth > All Please see the message below recieved from Ande Salvin at consultASAP. Pse take a look at the website and post your feedback direct to Ande. > > Thanks > > Ian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ande at consultASAP [mailto:ande@c...] > Sent: 01 August 2002 18:24 > Ian@R... > > > Ian, we have finally managed to get our website up and running and look > forward to your comments. Could you please do me a huge favour and mention > it on the website for all the guys to check out. We have a really easy to > use discussion forum on it and it would be great if the guys use it > sometimes and let us know what topics of interest they want to see each > month. I would appreciate it if you would forward the address to all your > contacts on your email address book that you think may be interested. > www.consultasap.com > > Cheers > > Kind Regards > Ande Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 Jim, Were you not so long ago strongly suggesting, during meetings with UKOOA, that only Nurse medics are used offshore? i.e. that a grandfather clause be brought in for ex-forces already in the job, but no new entries. I heard this while you were still with BP and your web site certainly seems to imply that this opinion has been carried over to consultASAP. Could you clarify? With kind regards _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 Have we not been there already, did several of the large Oil companies decide that they would only employ Offshore Nurses. Did it not also not last very long as too many left because it was not what they expected, too much non medical work. As anything really changed. Should we not be looking at a Standardised Course with certain topics that have to be taught and an exam and interview that have to be passed that is identical at every training centre. Lets face it, when it comes to Multi casualty situations offshore, we are expecting a lone medic to cope with what would take a whole medical crash team or hospital to deal with. There will be mistakes, Ex Military or Nurse qualified we are all likely to make a mistake at one time or another. Instead of trying to rip each other apart, how about we support each other and get the best for those who are willing to provide this service. Regards Neil Poole FSU Soorena Medic Re: RE: ConsultASAP Jim, Were you not so long ago strongly suggesting, during meetings with UKOOA, that only Nurse medics are used offshore? i.e. that a grandfather clause be brought in for ex-forces already in the job, but no new entries. I heard this while you were still with BP and your web site certainly seems to imply that this opinion has been carried over to consultASAP. Could you clarify? With kind regards _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... Post message: egroups Subscribe: -subscribeegroups Unsubscribe: -unsubscribeegroups Thank you for supporting Remote Medics Online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 Hi Neil, I don't think 's post was in anyway inflammatory. As far as I can see he is just asking for clarification of his stance and feelings. At the end of the day was (and still is ) in a prominent position in our industry, his influence at something like a UKOOA meeting could in theory affect a lot of people. I think was just asking to clarify his post. Yes there were moves some years ago, re nurse only medics As you rightly said though it fell on its head for a variety of reasons, the sources I have in the halls of power tell me it will remain the way it is now for sometime and its unlikely that any kind of nurse only regulation will come into effect. You comment re a standard course is of course quiet true, but again unlikely as all these organisations are in competition for our business. Don't forget though that they all have to comply to the HSE guidelines so there will be a certain amount of similarity in what they teach, the training organisations just deliver their courses differently. There was a problem recently of one of them being a bit loose in their interpretation of the entry requirements but I believe they have now tightened up on their stance following discussions with the HSE. Don't worry about list members " ripping each other apart " Ross and I keep a very close eye on that sort of thing and usually stop it before it degenerates. That having been said the instances where we need to reach for the moderatering stick are pretty much few and far between, thankfully, unlike the ECO list! At the end of the day our group are all of a similar vein which probably helps, the background is usually put aside due to the fact that most of us are all doing very similar jobs or at least have an interest in remote medicine or we wouldn't be here. Unfortunately things have not progressed as I would have liked on the RCS DipROM, mainly due to the fact that both Ross and I been busy with other matters we haven't really had the time to get it off the ground, poor excuse but hey there it is :-) Best Wishes Ian Re: RE: ConsultASAP Jim, Were you not so long ago strongly suggesting, during meetings with UKOOA, that only Nurse medics are used offshore? i.e. that a grandfather clause be brought in for ex-forces already in the job, but no new entries. I heard this while you were still with BP and your web site certainly seems to imply that this opinion has been carried over to consultASAP. Could you clarify? With kind regards _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... Post message: egroups Subscribe: -subscribeegroups Unsubscribe: -unsubscribeegroups Thank you for supporting Remote Medics Online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 Well said Niel, Seems to me the diploma course Ross and Ian are working on is the ticket. Starting the us vs. them bit is not worth the time or email space. It matters very little to me what the background of the " offshore medic " is. IF they can do the job and want to do the job more power to them. We are all silly enough to do it for a living! Once a standard course reconized thru out the world is in place then then we can " tweak " things. I have to point out that ConsultASAP site does make me question thier sources of info.I am not aware of any PA's in the Gulf of Mexico only offshore medics with prehospital or nursing backgrounds. ly A PA can make a hell of a lot more money working on land than offshore Cheers Tom G Lover of fine single malt >From: FSU Medic <fsu022@...> >Reply- > " ' ' " >< > >Subject: RE: RE: ConsultASAP >Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:50:46 +0430 > >Have we not been there already, did several of the large Oil companies >decide that they would only employ Offshore Nurses. Did it not also not >last very long as too many left because it was not what they expected, too >much non medical work. As anything really changed. > > Should we not be looking at a Standardised Course with certain topics >that >have to be taught and an exam and interview that have to be passed that is >identical at every training centre. > > Lets face it, when it comes to Multi casualty situations offshore, we >are >expecting a lone medic to cope with what would take a whole medical crash >team or hospital to deal with. There will be mistakes, Ex Military or >Nurse >qualified we are all likely to make a mistake at one time or another. > >Instead of trying to rip each other apart, how about we support each other >and get the best for those who are willing to provide this service. > >Regards > >Neil Poole >FSU Soorena Medic > Re: RE: ConsultASAP > > >Jim, > >Were you not so long ago strongly suggesting, during meetings with UKOOA, >that only Nurse medics are used offshore? i.e. that a grandfather clause be >brought in for ex-forces already in the job, but no new entries. > >I heard this while you were still with BP and your web site certainly seems >to imply that this opinion has been carried over to consultASAP. > >Could you clarify? > >With kind regards > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > >Member Information: > >List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... >Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... > >Post message: egroups >Subscribe: -subscribeegroups >Unsubscribe: -unsubscribeegroups > >Thank you for supporting Remote Medics Online. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 Hi folks, Couldn't resist throwing my hat in the ring. It appears the majors did indeed hire nurses (RGN) only (including many ex-HM Forces!). The rationale appears to be that nurses have ready-made authority in the form of UKCC registration and an internationally- recognised qualification etc. In this time of litigation-mad patients, it sorta makes sense. The HM Forces medics on the other hand rely purely on their company's Employers Liability Insurance. This particular route leaves the medic quite vulnerable - if you are in this situation - ask your company what you are covered for - I will bet my last ish quid that it excludes prescribing medication of any sort!! Jim Keech is right. On leaving the Armed Forces, all that is provided is enough documentation and references to get a job as a gardener! The question is not really are nurses " better " professionally than ex-Services? Nurses professional lives are simply more structured and supported by their Professional Bodies. Since I came in the North Sea in the early-Eighties there has been constant talk of ex-Service medics acquiring a similar professional body to the nursing authorities but this has never got past first base. As a group, we have never really got it together. This forum is the the closest I've seen to good inter-medic communication. I guess we can only blame ourselves for that. I'd be more worried about the next generation of medics that are acquiring Offshore Medic training courses and certificates while clearly falling outwith the legislation covering qualifications. They will do us all an injustice and, given time, will reverse all the professional kudos we have accumulated as a profession in the last twenty five years. Forget the Nurses v Ex-Services debate. Life's too short! Cheers all Buck Medic Ninian Southern PS A recent survey in the USA revealed that the most successful defense against allegations of medical malpractice and negligence was - making sure your patient " liked you " ! It's a strange business, right enuff! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- Since Re: RE: ConsultASAP Jim, Were you not so long ago strongly suggesting, during meetings with UKOOA, that only Nurse medics are used offshore? i.e. that a grandfather clause be brought in for ex-forces already in the job, but no new entries. I heard this while you were still with BP and your web site certainly seems to imply that this opinion has been carried over to consultASAP. Could you clarify? With kind regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 Hi Ian, In no way shape or form was I having a go at , mine were general comments for all. I know that when I came out of the military, I recognised that certain of my medical/clincal skills were not on a par with some of the Offshore nursing fraternity, so to start with I self financed myself through several courses and then got some company backed courses to improve my medical/clinical skill level to my current status where I am now operating alone with no support from an onshore doctor. We are a band of brothers and sisters with the same aim in life, to preserve and maintain the health of others, lets not have any petty in house fighting. lets aim for a common goal to achieve what we are in this business for. regards Neil Poole >From: " Base Paramedic [bT] " <Base_Paramedic@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: RE: RE: ConsultASAP >Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:43:19 +0500 > >Hi Neil, > >I don't think 's post was in anyway inflammatory. As far as I can see >he is just asking for clarification of his stance and feelings. At >the end of the day was (and still is ) in a prominent position in our >industry, his influence at something like a UKOOA meeting could in theory >affect a lot of people. I think was just asking to clarify his >post. > >Yes there were moves some years ago, re nurse only medics As you rightly >said though it fell on its head for a variety of reasons, the sources I >have in the halls of power tell me it will remain the way it is now for >sometime and its unlikely that any kind of nurse only regulation will come >into effect. > >You comment re a standard course is of course quiet true, but again >unlikely as all these organisations are in competition for our business. >Don't forget though that they all have to comply to the HSE guidelines so >there will be a certain amount of similarity in what they teach, the >training organisations just deliver their courses differently. > >There was a problem recently of one of them being a bit loose in their >interpretation of the entry requirements but I believe they have now >tightened up on their stance following discussions with the HSE. > >Don't worry about list members " ripping each other apart " Ross and I keep a >very close eye on that sort of thing and usually stop it before it >degenerates. That having been said the instances where we need to reach for >the moderatering stick are pretty much few and far between, thankfully, >unlike the ECO list! At the end of the day our group are all of a similar >vein which probably helps, the background is usually put aside due to the >fact that most of us are all doing very similar jobs or at least have an >interest in remote medicine or we wouldn't be here. > >Unfortunately things have not progressed as I would have liked on the RCS >DipROM, mainly due to the fact that both Ross and I been busy with other >matters we haven't really had the time to get it off the ground, poor >excuse but hey there it is :-) > >Best Wishes > >Ian > > Re: RE: ConsultASAP > > >Jim, > >Were you not so long ago strongly suggesting, during meetings with UKOOA, >that only Nurse medics are used offshore? i.e. that a grandfather clause be >brought in for ex-forces already in the job, but no new entries. > >I heard this while you were still with BP and your web site certainly seems >to imply that this opinion has been carried over to consultASAP. > >Could you clarify? > >With kind regards > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > >Member Information: > >List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... >Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... > >Post message: egroups >Subscribe: -subscribeegroups >Unsubscribe: -unsubscribeegroups > >Thank you for supporting Remote Medics Online. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 Seconded Neil ! Ian Re: RE: ConsultASAP > > >Jim, > >Were you not so long ago strongly suggesting, during meetings with UKOOA, >that only Nurse medics are used offshore? i.e. that a grandfather clause be >brought in for ex-forces already in the job, but no new entries. > >I heard this while you were still with BP and your web site certainly seems >to imply that this opinion has been carried over to consultASAP. > >Could you clarify? > >With kind regards > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > >Member Information: > >List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... >Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... > >Post message: egroups >Subscribe: -subscribeegroups >Unsubscribe: -unsubscribeegroups > >Thank you for supporting Remote Medics Online. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 'Instead of trying to rip each other apart, how about we support each other and get the best for those who are willing to provide this service. " Gets my vote. Ian H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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