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All Please see the message below recieved from Ande Salvin at consultASAP. Pse

take a look at the website and post your feedback direct to Ande.

Thanks

Ian

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From: Ande at consultASAP [mailto:ande@...]

Sent: 01 August 2002 18:24

Ian@...

Ian, we have finally managed to get our website up and running and look

forward to your comments. Could you please do me a huge favour and mention

it on the website for all the guys to check out. We have a really easy to

use discussion forum on it and it would be great if the guys use it

sometimes and let us know what topics of interest they want to see each

month. I would appreciate it if you would forward the address to all your

contacts on your email address book that you think may be interested.

www.consultasap.com

Cheers

Kind Regards

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Dear Medics

Difficult to know who one addresses with 'Dear Medics' but my

description of medics on the consultasap website is not intended to

offend simply to inform. Anyone of us on the inside, whether you call

yourself medic or not, will know the difficulties that have arisen when

poorly qualified or more likely poorly experienced 'medics' have run

into difficulties. Throughout my carreer in the offshore industry I have

fought to reconcile these difficulties. For many medics the Ministry of

Defence has done them no favours by passing out bland reports of a

medics career and without a defined and validated qualification system.

These who know me are aware that I am a personal supporter of

ex-military medics but I have demanded that the standard of practice is

high. The Naval medics have had a particularly good reputation rightly

so. For the most part I have not been let down anymore frequently by

ex-military medics than I have by registered nurse medics, both of which

we have in the North Sea.

Happy to continue this discussion at www.consultasap.com knowledge bank.

http://www.consultasap.com/cgi-bin/kb/ikonboard.cgi.

Dr Keech

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t +44 1224 632034

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Ian,

reference this web site, I am not sure that the description of the

Offshore Medic, is very complimentary.

Although members on the list have done the Offshore Medics course,

this I feel does not reflect the background of the medics themselves,

and where they have been trained in which ever service of the armed

forces prior to doing this type of work.

We are all trained differently in the services/

units/ships/submarines/squadrons........etc it is just that civilians

do not know what training we have done as it is not all put on pieces

of paper to show to employers at an interview.

Mine for 22 years in the RNMS for example.

Just the thoughts of a Medic.

Gareth

> All Please see the message below recieved from Ande Salvin at

consultASAP. Pse take a look at the website and post your feedback

direct to Ande.

>

> Thanks

>

> Ian

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Ande at consultASAP [mailto:ande@c...]

> Sent: 01 August 2002 18:24

> Ian@R...

>

>

> Ian, we have finally managed to get our website up and running and

look

> forward to your comments. Could you please do me a huge favour and

mention

> it on the website for all the guys to check out. We have a really

easy to

> use discussion forum on it and it would be great if the guys use it

> sometimes and let us know what topics of interest they want to see

each

> month. I would appreciate it if you would forward the address to

all your

> contacts on your email address book that you think may be

interested.

> www.consultasap.com

>

> Cheers

>

> Kind Regards

> Ande

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Jim,

Were you not so long ago strongly suggesting, during meetings with UKOOA,

that only Nurse medics are used offshore? i.e. that a grandfather clause be

brought in for ex-forces already in the job, but no new entries.

I heard this while you were still with BP and your web site certainly seems

to imply that this opinion has been carried over to consultASAP.

Could you clarify?

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Have we not been there already, did several of the large Oil companies

decide that they would only employ Offshore Nurses. Did it not also not

last very long as too many left because it was not what they expected, too

much non medical work. As anything really changed.

Should we not be looking at a Standardised Course with certain topics that

have to be taught and an exam and interview that have to be passed that is

identical at every training centre.

Lets face it, when it comes to Multi casualty situations offshore, we are

expecting a lone medic to cope with what would take a whole medical crash

team or hospital to deal with. There will be mistakes, Ex Military or Nurse

qualified we are all likely to make a mistake at one time or another.

Instead of trying to rip each other apart, how about we support each other

and get the best for those who are willing to provide this service.

Regards

Neil Poole

FSU Soorena Medic

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Jim,

Were you not so long ago strongly suggesting, during meetings with UKOOA,

that only Nurse medics are used offshore? i.e. that a grandfather clause be

brought in for ex-forces already in the job, but no new entries.

I heard this while you were still with BP and your web site certainly seems

to imply that this opinion has been carried over to consultASAP.

Could you clarify?

With kind regards

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Hi Neil,

I don't think 's post was in anyway inflammatory. As far as I can see he is

just asking for clarification of his stance and feelings. At the end of

the day was (and still is ) in a prominent position in our industry, his

influence at something like a UKOOA meeting could in theory affect a lot of

people. I think was just asking to clarify his post.

Yes there were moves some years ago, re nurse only medics As you rightly said

though it fell on its head for a variety of reasons, the sources I have in the

halls of power tell me it will remain the way it is now for sometime and its

unlikely that any kind of nurse only regulation will come into effect.

You comment re a standard course is of course quiet true, but again unlikely as

all these organisations are in competition for our business. Don't forget though

that they all have to comply to the HSE guidelines so there will be a certain

amount of similarity in what they teach, the training organisations just deliver

their courses differently.

There was a problem recently of one of them being a bit loose in their

interpretation of the entry requirements but I believe they have now tightened

up on their stance following discussions with the HSE.

Don't worry about list members " ripping each other apart " Ross and I keep a very

close eye on that sort of thing and usually stop it before it degenerates. That

having been said the instances where we need to reach for the moderatering stick

are pretty much few and far between, thankfully, unlike the ECO list! At the end

of the day our group are all of a similar vein which probably helps, the

background is usually put aside due to the fact that most of us are all doing

very similar jobs or at least have an interest in remote medicine or we wouldn't

be here.

Unfortunately things have not progressed as I would have liked on the RCS

DipROM, mainly due to the fact that both Ross and I been busy with other matters

we haven't really had the time to get it off the ground, poor excuse but hey

there it is :-)

Best Wishes

Ian

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Jim,

Were you not so long ago strongly suggesting, during meetings with UKOOA,

that only Nurse medics are used offshore? i.e. that a grandfather clause be

brought in for ex-forces already in the job, but no new entries.

I heard this while you were still with BP and your web site certainly seems

to imply that this opinion has been carried over to consultASAP.

Could you clarify?

With kind regards

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Well said Niel, Seems to me the diploma course Ross and Ian are working on

is the ticket. Starting the us vs. them bit is not worth the time or email

space. It matters very little to me what the background of the " offshore

medic " is. IF they can do the job and want to do the job more power to them.

We are all silly enough to do it for a living! Once a standard course

reconized thru out the world is in place then then we can " tweak " things. I

have to point out that ConsultASAP site does make me question thier sources

of info.I am not aware of any PA's in the Gulf of Mexico only offshore

medics with prehospital or nursing backgrounds. ly A PA can make a hell

of a lot more money working on land than offshore

Cheers

Tom G

Lover of fine single malt

>From: FSU Medic <fsu022@...>

>Reply-

> " ' ' "

>< >

>Subject: RE: RE: ConsultASAP

>Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:50:46 +0430

>

>Have we not been there already, did several of the large Oil companies

>decide that they would only employ Offshore Nurses. Did it not also not

>last very long as too many left because it was not what they expected, too

>much non medical work. As anything really changed.

>

> Should we not be looking at a Standardised Course with certain topics

>that

>have to be taught and an exam and interview that have to be passed that is

>identical at every training centre.

>

> Lets face it, when it comes to Multi casualty situations offshore, we

>are

>expecting a lone medic to cope with what would take a whole medical crash

>team or hospital to deal with. There will be mistakes, Ex Military or

>Nurse

>qualified we are all likely to make a mistake at one time or another.

>

>Instead of trying to rip each other apart, how about we support each other

>and get the best for those who are willing to provide this service.

>

>Regards

>

>Neil Poole

>FSU Soorena Medic

> Re: RE: ConsultASAP

>

>

>Jim,

>

>Were you not so long ago strongly suggesting, during meetings with UKOOA,

>that only Nurse medics are used offshore? i.e. that a grandfather clause be

>brought in for ex-forces already in the job, but no new entries.

>

>I heard this while you were still with BP and your web site certainly seems

>to imply that this opinion has been carried over to consultASAP.

>

>Could you clarify?

>

>With kind regards

>

>

>

>

>_________________________________________________________________

>Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

>

>

>

>Member Information:

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>

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Hi folks,

Couldn't resist throwing my hat in the ring.

It appears the majors did indeed hire nurses (RGN) only (including many

ex-HM Forces!).

The rationale appears to be that nurses have ready-made authority in the

form

of UKCC registration and an internationally- recognised qualification etc.

In

this time of litigation-mad patients, it sorta makes sense.

The HM Forces medics on the other hand rely purely on their company's

Employers

Liability Insurance. This particular route leaves the medic quite vulnerable

-

if you are in this situation - ask your company what you are covered for - I

will bet my last ish quid that it excludes prescribing medication of

any

sort!!

Jim Keech is right. On leaving the Armed Forces, all that is provided is

enough

documentation and references to get a job as a gardener! The question is not

really

are nurses " better " professionally than ex-Services? Nurses professional

lives are

simply more structured and supported by their Professional Bodies. Since I

came in the

North Sea in the early-Eighties there has been constant talk of ex-Service

medics

acquiring a similar professional body to the nursing authorities but this

has never got past

first base. As a group, we have never really got it together. This forum is

the

the closest I've seen to good inter-medic communication. I guess we can only

blame ourselves

for that.

I'd be more worried about the next generation of medics that are acquiring

Offshore

Medic training courses and certificates while clearly falling outwith the

legislation

covering qualifications. They will do us all an injustice and, given time,

will reverse

all the professional kudos we have accumulated as a profession in the last

twenty five

years.

Forget the Nurses v Ex-Services debate. Life's too short!

Cheers all

Buck

Medic

Ninian Southern

PS A recent survey in the USA revealed that the most successful defense

against allegations

of medical malpractice and negligence was - making sure your patient

" liked you " !

It's a strange business, right enuff!

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---------

Since

Re: RE: ConsultASAP

Jim,

Were you not so long ago strongly suggesting, during meetings with UKOOA,

that only Nurse medics are used offshore? i.e. that a grandfather clause be

brought in for ex-forces already in the job, but no new entries.

I heard this while you were still with BP and your web site certainly seems

to imply that this opinion has been carried over to consultASAP.

Could you clarify?

With kind regards

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Hi Ian,

In no way shape or form was I having a go at , mine were general

comments for all. I know that when I came out of the military, I recognised

that certain of my medical/clincal skills were not on a par with some of the

Offshore nursing fraternity, so to start with I self financed myself through

several courses and then got some company backed courses to improve my

medical/clinical skill level to my current status where I am now operating

alone with no support from an onshore doctor.

We are a band of brothers and sisters with the same aim in life, to preserve

and maintain the health of others, lets not have any petty in house

fighting. lets aim for a common goal to achieve what we are in this business

for.

regards

Neil Poole

>From: " Base Paramedic [bT] " <Base_Paramedic@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: RE: RE: ConsultASAP

>Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:43:19 +0500

>

>Hi Neil,

>

>I don't think 's post was in anyway inflammatory. As far as I can see

>he is just asking for clarification of his stance and feelings. At

>the end of the day was (and still is ) in a prominent position in our

>industry, his influence at something like a UKOOA meeting could in theory

>affect a lot of people. I think was just asking to clarify his

>post.

>

>Yes there were moves some years ago, re nurse only medics As you rightly

>said though it fell on its head for a variety of reasons, the sources I

>have in the halls of power tell me it will remain the way it is now for

>sometime and its unlikely that any kind of nurse only regulation will come

>into effect.

>

>You comment re a standard course is of course quiet true, but again

>unlikely as all these organisations are in competition for our business.

>Don't forget though that they all have to comply to the HSE guidelines so

>there will be a certain amount of similarity in what they teach, the

>training organisations just deliver their courses differently.

>

>There was a problem recently of one of them being a bit loose in their

>interpretation of the entry requirements but I believe they have now

>tightened up on their stance following discussions with the HSE.

>

>Don't worry about list members " ripping each other apart " Ross and I keep a

>very close eye on that sort of thing and usually stop it before it

>degenerates. That having been said the instances where we need to reach for

>the moderatering stick are pretty much few and far between, thankfully,

>unlike the ECO list! At the end of the day our group are all of a similar

>vein which probably helps, the background is usually put aside due to the

>fact that most of us are all doing very similar jobs or at least have an

>interest in remote medicine or we wouldn't be here.

>

>Unfortunately things have not progressed as I would have liked on the RCS

>DipROM, mainly due to the fact that both Ross and I been busy with other

>matters we haven't really had the time to get it off the ground, poor

>excuse but hey there it is :-)

>

>Best Wishes

>

>Ian

>

> Re: RE: ConsultASAP

>

>

>Jim,

>

>Were you not so long ago strongly suggesting, during meetings with UKOOA,

>that only Nurse medics are used offshore? i.e. that a grandfather clause be

>brought in for ex-forces already in the job, but no new entries.

>

>I heard this while you were still with BP and your web site certainly seems

>to imply that this opinion has been carried over to consultASAP.

>

>Could you clarify?

>

>With kind regards

>

>

>

>

>_________________________________________________________________

>Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

>

>

>

>Member Information:

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Seconded Neil !

Ian

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>

>

>Jim,

>

>Were you not so long ago strongly suggesting, during meetings with UKOOA,

>that only Nurse medics are used offshore? i.e. that a grandfather clause be

>brought in for ex-forces already in the job, but no new entries.

>

>I heard this while you were still with BP and your web site certainly seems

>to imply that this opinion has been carried over to consultASAP.

>

>Could you clarify?

>

>With kind regards

>

>

>

>

>_________________________________________________________________

>Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

>

>

>

>Member Information:

>

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'Instead of trying to rip each other apart, how about we support each other

and get the best for those who are willing to provide this service. "

Gets my vote.

Ian H

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