Re: Germaben II versus Phenonip?

[Guest guest]

I was reading about a new Germaben too, so take heart, it gets worse....

What I use in lotions is Germaben II, if you keep oils below 25% of your

total. With " liquid polymer " or " fantasy creme maker " you can make something

thick and butter like but still stay below the 25%. It's harder IMO to do

with stearic acid and ewax.

If your oil content goes above that, you'll have to find something else.

Lately, I've been looking trying to decide what to do for larger percentages

of oils, I think I've carted Liquipar Optima a couple times and failed to

follow through. It's not as important with lotion sticks or lip balms where

there is no water in your oils. I don't put it in lip balm, because even

though your skin absorbs what you put on it, it's not exactly like eating

it, which is what you do with lip balm. Hope that helps a little.

Traci

Germaben II versus Phenonip?

> Hi,

>

> Me again, the newbie, with more questions.

>

> I am now considering using preservatives in my products. I make lip

> balms, lotions, massage bars, solid perfumes, and bath bombs. How do

> I know which of these products NEED preservatives?

> .

>

> For the Germaben II it says:

>

> Germaben II - If you are making lotions, and you wish to keep your

> lotions nice and creamy without mold and other nasties growing in

> your creations, you need Germaben II. Germaben is a mixture of

> propylene glycol, diazolidinyl urea, methylparaben, and

> propylparaben. It is meant to be used as .3 to 1.0% of the total

> weight of your lotion.

>

> and for the Phenonip it says:

>

> Phenonip - A liquid preservative to inhibit a full range of microbial

> growth in your cremes, lotions, salt scrubs, dusting powders and

> liquid soap bases. This preservative is more suitable than Germaben

> II for products that are manufactured at higher temperature ranges.

> Phenonip is not a formaldehyde donor. Use at a rate of .5 -1.0% of

> the total weight of your product.While volume vs. weight measurements

> vary, these measurements may help you if you don't have a scale

> handy:

> 0.1 oz. = 3 ml

>

>

> So, the only difference I can see in these descriptions is that the

> Phenonip is better for products manufactured at higher temperatures.

> This confuses me because all of my products are made at basically the

> same temperatures.

>

> Can anyone tell me why one would be better for certain products (and

> what they are) and why? I would like to get some new batches of

> lotions and lip balms going, so I am specifically interested in which

> of the preservatives would be better for each of those.

>

> I have a feeling I didn't need to buy them both, as they seem to do

> the same thing? If anyone could enlighten me even a little, I would

> be very grateful. Like, does lip balm even need a preservative if I

> am already putting Vitamin E oil in it?

>

> Also, when I use these preservatives, is there a " Shelf life " of the

> product that I need to share with my consumers?

>

> I have done my own research but just end up more confused so I am

> looking to this group for some personal exerience and knowledge.

>

> PLEASE HELP

>

> Smiles,

> Angie

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I was all prepared to say something figuring, " Oh, finally a question

I can help with " , and duh . . . you've got all the 4-1-1 I have. :-)

Simply put my understanding after temp. thing regarding the two is

one is better for products without water than the other. Phenopip

comes up more in the circles where I tend to run, so that's what I'll

be using (if the recipe has water) versus the other stuff.

Let me see if I can find other 4-1-1 . . hum jeopardy whilst I go

search . . .

" . . . add preservatives to anything with water in it like lotions

(except soap), or anything that water might come in contact with like

salt/sugar scrubs. By Regalm "

And here's one I don't think you mentioned:

" . . . Liquapar Optima because it's versatile and can be used with

oils or water and is effective when added at higher temperatures.

.. Most applications require

less than 1%.

Hmm, this sounds like a good one. Don't have to worry re. the water,

no water thing. Plus, check out the application amount!

saponificatrix

[Guest guest]

Phenonip as there is no Urea in it and we all know what that is! As for the

products to add it to, anything that you use water in the ingredients or where

water may come in contact with the product. HTH!

Hugs,

Germaben II versus Phenonip?

Hi,

Me again, the newbie, with more questions.

I am now considering using preservatives in my products. I make lip

balms, lotions, massage bars, solid perfumes, and bath bombs. How do

I know which of these products NEED preservatives?

.

For the Germaben II it says:

Germaben II - If you are making lotions, and you wish to keep your

lotions nice and creamy without mold and other nasties growing in

your creations, you need Germaben II. Germaben is a mixture of

propylene glycol, diazolidinyl urea, methylparaben, and

propylparaben. It is meant to be used as .3 to 1.0% of the total

weight of your lotion.

and for the Phenonip it says:

Phenonip - A liquid preservative to inhibit a full range of microbial

growth in your cremes, lotions, salt scrubs, dusting powders and

liquid soap bases. This preservative is more suitable than Germaben

II for products that are manufactured at higher temperature ranges.

Phenonip is not a formaldehyde donor. Use at a rate of .5 -1.0% of

the total weight of your product.While volume vs. weight measurements

vary, these measurements may help you if you don't have a scale

handy:

0.1 oz. = 3 ml

So, the only difference I can see in these descriptions is that the

Phenonip is better for products manufactured at higher temperatures.

This confuses me because all of my products are made at basically the

same temperatures.

Can anyone tell me why one would be better for certain products (and

what they are) and why? I would like to get some new batches of

lotions and lip balms going, so I am specifically interested in which

of the preservatives would be better for each of those.

I have a feeling I didn't need to buy them both, as they seem to do

the same thing? If anyone could enlighten me even a little, I would

be very grateful. Like, does lip balm even need a preservative if I

am already putting Vitamin E oil in it?

Also, when I use these preservatives, is there a " Shelf life " of the

product that I need to share with my consumers?

I have done my own research but just end up more confused so I am

looking to this group for some personal exerience and knowledge.

PLEASE HELP

Smiles,

Angie