Re: Lip Balm Disaster...flavor oil wouldn't disperse... :(

[Guest guest]

hi...

well I face the same problem everytime I nake my lotion bars.

The recipe is the same.

the problem is that the oil and water(of the fo) do not mix.

I have never tried it but The solution is to add polysorbate 20.

That will make the oil dispersible.

What I do is that I add extra fo, so invariably though some does not

mix, a fair abount gets mixed and I get my flavouring.

Note in this way I do waste a lot of fo.

try the p 20 thing and let me know.

natasha

> Can someone please tell me what I did wrong?

>

> I've used this formula before...minus the flavor oil:

>

> for one 7.5g of lipbalm:

>

> 33.0% beeswax

> 16.5% Shea Butter

> 16.5% Cocoa Butter

> 34.0% grapeseed Oil

>

> I melted everything.

> Then I added one drop of meadowfoam oil

> and 1 drop of Lorann Gourmet's Grape flavor oil, and the thing

would

> NOT disperse! The ingredient list for the flavor oil is:

Artificial

> flavor, Ethyl Alcohol, Propylene Glycol, Water, Blue 1 and Red 40.

>

> Do you think that negligible amount of water in the drop of flavor

> oil caused it to not disperse?

>

> If so, anyone know where I can buy Oil-dispersible Flavor oil in a

> small amount and oil-dispersible food coloring (prefer red or blue)

> that is safe to use in lip balms? Is there any way I can avoid the

> FD & C's for the oil-dispersible food coloring?

>

> What does everyone else do?

>

> Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Ethyl Alcohol, Propylene Glycol will not disperse in oil, so that is

why it does not incorporate,

Flavoring oil should be infused carrier oil only! And should be GRAS.

I do not think Ethyl alcohol or Propylene Glycol are GRAS, safe if

swallowed!

I thinkk From Nature with Love sells natural flavoring oils.

You CAN make your OWN flavoring oils under extremely sanitary

conditions by infusion of herbs/fruit/berries in oil base, then

heated to a temp of 170 degrees and holding for 20 min to kill any

bacteria, mold, fungus.

You would also need to have it LAB tested if your going to SELL

this infused oil in a lip balm.

Other

On preservatives question:

I think Stoccocide A does NOT contain parabens or ureau....

water soluble.

hth

Sherry

Natural Care Books, booklets, spreadsheets

www.herbalsoap-healingcreams.com/book.html

[Guest guest]

Hello

Do you mean Sutticide A?

Which doesn't contain parabens or any type of urea.

Here is a short description:

" (INCI name SODIUM HYDROXYMETHYLGLYCINATE)

Suttocide A is sold as a 50% aqueous solution of sodium

hydroxymethylglycinate. The solution is a clear alkaline liquid with

a mild characteristic odor.

This single preservative is a broad spectrum antimicrobial that is

active against Gram-negative and

Gram-positive bacteria, yeast and mold, even at low concentrations,

providing cost-effective preservation.

Suttocide A remains active at a pH as high as 12, and can be used in

acidic conditions as low as pH

3.5, giving the formulator very broad flexibility as well as allowing

adequate preservation of alkaline

products. Suttocide A can also be used to neutralize acidic

compounds, without any loss of antimicrobial activity.

Suttocide A is permanently listed by the EU at levels up to 0.5%

active without restrictions.

Suttocide A is a broad spectrum antimicrobial for use in shampoos and

conditioners, when used at

0.1-0.2% (as supplied). This provides a safe and cost effective

preservative system.

Suttocide A is stable and active up to pH 12 and can also be used in

acidic conditions as low as 3.5,

giving the formulator very broad pH flexibility as well as being able

to adequately preserve alkaline

products, e.g. soap bars.

Use at a rate of 0.1 to 0.2 % "

If you actually meant " Stoccocide A " provide a definition of this

preservative.

Many thanks in advance.

Cheers

Anita

<-------------------------------------------------

In , " Sherry Barker "

<sherryscreations2@h... wrote:

Other

On preservatives question:

I think Stoccocide A does NOT contain parabens or ureau....

water soluble.

hth

Sherry

Natural Care Books, booklets, spreadsheets

www.herbalsoap-healingcreams.com/book.html

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[Guest guest]

So where could someone get some of this Sutticide A? I tried doing a search for

it and nothing came up!

Alba

The Natural Newborn

~Helping families with sensitive skin~

http://thenaturalnewborn.com

Re: Lip Balm Disaster...flavor oil wouldn't

disperse...

Hello

Do you mean Sutticide A?

Which doesn't contain parabens or any type of urea.

Here is a short description:

" (INCI name SODIUM HYDROXYMETHYLGLYCINATE)

Suttocide A is sold as a 50% aqueous solution of sodium

hydroxymethylglycinate. The solution is a clear alkaline liquid with

a mild characteristic odor.

This single preservative is a broad spectrum antimicrobial that is

active against Gram-negative and

Gram-positive bacteria, yeast and mold, even at low concentrations,

providing cost-effective preservation.

Suttocide A remains active at a pH as high as 12, and can be used in

acidic conditions as low as pH

3.5, giving the formulator very broad flexibility as well as allowing

adequate preservation of alkaline

products. Suttocide A can also be used to neutralize acidic

compounds, without any loss of antimicrobial activity.

Suttocide A is permanently listed by the EU at levels up to 0.5%

active without restrictions.

Suttocide A is a broad spectrum antimicrobial for use in shampoos and

conditioners, when used at

0.1-0.2% (as supplied). This provides a safe and cost effective

preservative system.

Suttocide A is stable and active up to pH 12 and can also be used in

acidic conditions as low as 3.5,

giving the formulator very broad pH flexibility as well as being able

to adequately preserve alkaline

products, e.g. soap bars.

Use at a rate of 0.1 to 0.2 % "

If you actually meant " Stoccocide A " provide a definition of this

preservative.

Many thanks in advance.

Cheers

Anita

<-------------------------------------------------

In , " Sherry Barker "

<sherryscreations2@h... wrote:

Other

On preservatives question:

I think Stoccocide A does NOT contain parabens or ureau....

water soluble.

hth

Sherry

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www.herbalsoap-healingcreams.com/book.html

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[Guest guest]

AGAIN the correct spelling is " Suttocide A " and if you searched for

Sutticide A then no wonder you came up with nothing! LOL!

It is sold by ISCORP corp. but you can get it at most soap supply

stores so do another search using the correct spelling. Kay??

One would only use Suttocide A in a product containing a WATER base,

not for an all oil base like lip balm.

Natural Antioxidant:

use both T-50 and Tocopheryl Acetate,

You need the T-50 as a Antioxidant and

the Tocopheryl Acetate [Vit E ] for it's healing and soothing

properties, and for the feel.

-----

If you insist on using a synthetic preservative "

Synthetic Preservative For lip balms,

All " LiquaPars " including " Optima " are approved for lip use worldwide

including Japan.

OK guys, I am going to be off line tending to family matters for a

while, be back in a few weeks.

Sherry

Sherry's Creations

Natural Care E-books & CD's, booklets, spreadsheets

www.herbalsoap-healingcreams.com/book.html

[Guest guest]

Hi ya

Got it

Cheers for that!

Anita

> AGAIN the correct spelling is " Suttocide A " and if you searched

for

> Sutticide A then no wonder you came up with nothing! LOL!

>

> It is sold by ISCORP corp. but you can get it at most soap supply

> stores so do another search using the correct spelling. Kay??

>

> One would only use Suttocide A in a product containing a WATER

base,

> not for an all oil base like lip balm.

>

>

> Natural Antioxidant:

> use both T-50 and Tocopheryl Acetate,

> You need the T-50 as a Antioxidant and

> the Tocopheryl Acetate [Vit E ] for it's healing and soothing

> properties, and for the feel.

>

> -----

> If you insist on using a synthetic preservative "

>

> Synthetic Preservative For lip balms,

>

> All " LiquaPars " including " Optima " are approved for lip use

worldwide

> including Japan.

>

>

> OK guys, I am going to be off line tending to family matters for a

> while, be back in a few weeks.

>

> Sherry

>

> Sherry's Creations

> Natural Care E-books & CD's, booklets, spreadsheets

> www.herbalsoap-healingcreams.com/book.html

[Guest guest]

Hi

Yes, you used a water dispersing flavor, not an oil based one. You

will never get them to mix, and if you do, the flavor and/or color

will separate out of them after they have cooled. Ask me how I know,

LOL.

Many places sell flavor oils, where are you located? Can't help you

with the color as I don't color my lip balms, but for lip glosses I

use mica.

HTH

Heidi

http://www.heidisherbals.com

Lip Balm Disaster...flavor oil wouldn't

disperse...

> Can someone please tell me what I did wrong?

>

> I've used this formula before...minus the flavor oil:

>

> for one 7.5g of lipbalm:

>

> 33.0% beeswax

> 16.5% Shea Butter

> 16.5% Cocoa Butter

> 34.0% grapeseed Oil

>

> I melted everything.

> Then I added one drop of meadowfoam oil

> and 1 drop of Lorann Gourmet's Grape flavor oil, and the thing would

> NOT disperse! The ingredient list for the flavor oil is: Artificial

> flavor, Ethyl Alcohol, Propylene Glycol, Water, Blue 1 and Red 40.

>

> Do you think that negligible amount of water in the drop of flavor

> oil caused it to not disperse?

>

> If so, anyone know where I can buy Oil-dispersible Flavor oil in a

> small amount and oil-dispersible food coloring (prefer red or blue)

> that is safe to use in lip balms? Is there any way I can avoid the

> FD & C's for the oil-dispersible food coloring?

>

> What does everyone else do?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

>

> End of Year Clearance sale going on! JUST IN! Perfumers Alcohol,

Vegetable glycerin,FREE! FREE ! FREE! Dead sea salt with a $25.00

purchase of essential oils. SEE our new teas!We have many hard to

find items like citric acid,empty capsules,red clay,best priced

essential oils and more!

> http://glenbrookfarm.com/store/specialsseeds_1.html

> To unsub send an e-mail to :

> -unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Heidi,

Maybe you can help me, I attempted to color one of my massage oils with Mica.

It looked pretty cool for a few days, then all the color sinked to the bottom of

the oil. Can you please let me know how you color your lip gloss. This could

help me a great deal.

Thanks,

Jeannie

Heidi Scholes <heidi@...> wrote:

Hi

Yes, you used a water dispersing flavor, not an oil based one. You

will never get them to mix, and if you do, the flavor and/or color

will separate out of them after they have cooled. Ask me how I know,

LOL.

Many places sell flavor oils, where are you located? Can't help you

with the color as I don't color my lip balms, but for lip glosses I

use mica.

HTH

Heidi

http://www.heidisherbals.com

Lip Balm Disaster...flavor oil wouldn't

disperse...

> Can someone please tell me what I did wrong?

>

> I've used this formula before...minus the flavor oil:

>

> for one 7.5g of lipbalm:

>

> 33.0% beeswax

> 16.5% Shea Butter

> 16.5% Cocoa Butter

> 34.0% grapeseed Oil

>

> I melted everything.

> Then I added one drop of meadowfoam oil

> and 1 drop of Lorann Gourmet's Grape flavor oil, and the thing would

> NOT disperse! The ingredient list for the flavor oil is: Artificial

> flavor, Ethyl Alcohol, Propylene Glycol, Water, Blue 1 and Red 40.

>

> Do you think that negligible amount of water in the drop of flavor

> oil caused it to not disperse?

>

> If so, anyone know where I can buy Oil-dispersible Flavor oil in a

> small amount and oil-dispersible food coloring (prefer red or blue)

> that is safe to use in lip balms? Is there any way I can avoid the

> FD & C's for the oil-dispersible food coloring?

>

> What does everyone else do?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

>

> End of Year Clearance sale going on! JUST IN! Perfumers Alcohol,

Vegetable glycerin,FREE! FREE ! FREE! Dead sea salt with a $25.00

purchase of essential oils. SEE our new teas!We have many hard to

find items like citric acid,empty capsules,red clay,best priced

essential oils and more!

> http://glenbrookfarm.com/store/specialsseeds_1.html

> To unsub send an e-mail to :

> -unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeannie

It's different for a lip gloss because the waxes keep the mica in

suspension. I don't think it's possible to use it in a liquid oil and

have it stay.

However you might be able to do a more buttery oil (like shea, mango

or a combo) and have massage bars with mica.

Personally I wouldn't want to be massaged with a whole lot of mica

unless I was going to shower right after. JMHO

HTH

Heidi

http://www.heidisherbals.com

Lip Balm Disaster...flavor oil wouldn't

> disperse...

>

>

> > Can someone please tell me what I did wrong?

> >

> > I've used this formula before...minus the flavor oil:

> >

> > for one 7.5g of lipbalm:

> >

> > 33.0% beeswax

> > 16.5% Shea Butter

> > 16.5% Cocoa Butter

> > 34.0% grapeseed Oil

> >

> > I melted everything.

> > Then I added one drop of meadowfoam oil

> > and 1 drop of Lorann Gourmet's Grape flavor oil, and the thing

would

> > NOT disperse! The ingredient list for the flavor oil is:

Artificial

> > flavor, Ethyl Alcohol, Propylene Glycol, Water, Blue 1 and Red 40.

> >

> > Do you think that negligible amount of water in the drop of flavor

> > oil caused it to not disperse?

> >

> > If so, anyone know where I can buy Oil-dispersible Flavor oil in a

> > small amount and oil-dispersible food coloring (prefer red or

blue)

> > that is safe to use in lip balms? Is there any way I can avoid

the

> > FD & C's for the oil-dispersible food coloring?

> >

> > What does everyone else do?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > End of Year Clearance sale going on! JUST IN! Perfumers Alcohol,

> Vegetable glycerin,FREE! FREE ! FREE! Dead sea salt with a $25.00

> purchase of essential oils. SEE our new teas!We have many hard to

> find items like citric acid,empty capsules,red clay,best priced

> essential oils and more!

> > http://glenbrookfarm.com/store/specialsseeds_1.html

> > To unsub send an e-mail to :

> > -unsubscribe

> >

> >

> >

> >