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Hi RuthAnn:

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you, but I finally found the elusive

Burt's Bees products! I smelled the Apricot Baby Oil (they didn't have the

Buttermilk Bath) and my impression is: vanilla (main scent), almond (for the

" honey " note), and maybe a touch of rose or orange blossom...the last is

very subtle, but definitely a floral nuance.

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> Still wondering if anyone knows how to duplicate the scent of Burt's Bees

> Buttermilk Bath and Baby Bee line.

I would like to know too. And my sniffer has been off line for months due to

allergies so ican't get a good bead on it.

Anjeanne

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I replied awhile back, but I can't find the post anymore. If I remember

correctly, I detected almond with maybe a bit of rose or orange flower in

the Burt's Bees Baby Oil. Didn't have a bottle of the buttermilk bath

available to sample.

Cat

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I emailed them--I got a very sweet but evasive

answer in reply.

Lonie

> i wonder if i called them if

> there would be any chance of a snowball in h--- of getting a staright

> answer dolores

>

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In a message dated 10/30/00 10:30:27 AM Pacific Standard Time,

intothemistic@... writes:

> trudy if it is illigal how does shch a high profile co. in the public

> eye escape the scrutiny of the feds? or if as you say there might be

> such a minscule amount that they don't have to disclose then perhaps we

> need less preservative than we think since i have known many people that

> both use and sell their products with no probems of anything ever going

> bad. might be something to check into. i wonder if i called them if

> there would be any chance of a snowball in h--- of getting a staright

> answer dolores

>

>

> Folks, I guess you haven't been around as long as I have cause I know that

> you can not always believe everything that you are told and not all of what

> you read. Anyway, it is interesting that large companies do skirt these

> legalities, but trust me they are not foolish enough to make products

> without a preservative.

>

> As far as whether or not we need to use a preservative, we do, especially

> if it is an emulsion--like a lotion or cream. As far as amounts, we need

> to use the manufacturer's recommended percentages by weight. period. To be

> sure about our products, we really should have formulas challenged tested

> in a lab and then each batch tested---but most can't reasonably afford to

> do that, so the best most can do is use the recommended amount of

> preservative.

>

> As far as some people using and selling products that have never gone bad.

> Bad idea. An accident waiting to happen. Microbes are just that----tiny,

> you see them with a microscope. Just because you don't see a lotion/cream,

> etc. going " bad " , doesn't mean you don't have a problem. Now, for folks

> who want to make stuff for themselves only and use quickly, no problem.

> But for selling or even giving as gifts--take it from someone who caused

> her sister to develop a terrible eye infection as a result from using a

> cream that appeared fine---use an effective preservative.

> Angie inSC

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> pat do you really think so? how could a company of such size and

> popularity escape the notice of the feds? they must ot be as eagle eyed

> as i imagined. dolores

Dolores, the problem is that the FDA does not have enough money to go about

checking every label in the country and those guys know this. It is a case

of priorities and drugs are a greater priority than cosmetics. When somebody

gets injured with a product or when a complaint is filed by a competitor,

then they are forced to investigate. The point is that it is illegal to not

list all ingredients on the label and if a company will lie about what is in

their product-by not disclosing it on the label-then what else will they lie

about.

Pat.

Peace, Joy, Serenity.

www.houseofscents.com

Cosmeticinfo

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>From: bjorgy@...

>They seem to becoming a very very large company and are appearing

>everywhere. Good marketing.

>

My comments are not directed at Barb J, or anyone else. These are my

abridged view of good marketing relative to our discussion of Burt's Bee

products.

Good marketing is really a matter of perspective seen through the eyes of

the beholder.. I suppose if you were the CEO, CFO or VP of marketing for

Burt's Bees, you would have reason to be proud of yourself. Good marketing?

NO! Brilliant marketing!

Kinda like driving from LA to San Francisco in 4 hours. Good driving! The

fact that you drove in a reckless manner, endangering the well being of

others, and broke several regulations doesn't really matter because you

didn't get caught. Cool! Good driving!

Personally, based on the product descriptions posted and the discussions

we've had on this list, Burt's Bees marketing is based on deceptive labeling

and taking advantage of some consumers' perceived, yet unsubstantiated,

fears. It would also appear that Burt's Bees labeling is non-compliant with

the FDA labeling regs and just hasn't been caught.

Is this good marketing?

Just a different perspective looking at the same information.

Lucy

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The products I have from Burts Bees are mostly in plastic bottles.

Not sure why the salesgirl said they don't use plastic! On one of my

bottles it states 98.31% Natural while in another area of the label

it states " We use no parabens, chemical additives or synthetic

fillers or preservatives. " So, I'm not sure what the other 1.69% is

unless it's a synthetic fragrance. Some of their products list

fragrance and others do list essential oils--it looks as if they use

both.

Sherry

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I use Burt's Bee lip balm in a tub and it is some of the best stuff I have EVER

used. It is one of the few lip balms (commercial) that I have tried that

actually worked. I know make my own so I don't use them anymore, but they do

have a good product.

Burts Bees

>> " Who/What the heck

is Burt Bees? " Can someone pleassse send the web site to me so I can see

this curious product????

>, greenearth

Burts Bees is a product line that is sold in natural or specialty stores.

Seeing more and more of this product. Not sure if/what their website

is. But the controversy here on the list is that Burts Bees products

label everything as " Natural " ; not listing any preservatives. I did,

however, find it interesting that they use Fragrance vs e/os. The

salesgal in one of the stores makes a big deal that they (Burts) never

use plastic, since it does bad things to incredients. They use glass and

metal jars/bottles.

They seem to becoming a very very large company and are appearing

everywhere. Good marketing.

Barb J

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  • 3 years later...

Here is a recent story about Burts Bees,

Burts Bees was started in 1984 by a waitress and a bee keeper.

They lived in the Great state of Maine.

In 1999 Roxanne Quimbly bought out Burt and moved to North Carolina

In Sept. 2003 ( less than 20 years) Roxanne sold Burts Bees to

AEA Investors for 155 Million... Yep 155 Million dollars.

Only in America ya all!

Just think there is hope for us all <g>

Lucinda

Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs

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