Re: How to reduce lotion greasiness?

[Guest guest]

I do appreciate the information - you can't get this stuff out of

a book (I think). It's so great to have " experience " to talk to.

Thank you again!

Re: How to reduce lotion greasiness?

What happened is that you overloaded your lotion. The cornstarch

slowly unbalanced your lotion by absorbing the oil and that

finally

broke the emulsion causing separation. That probably was too much

cornstarch for your lotion. I just remembered that tapioca starch

is

recommended to give creams and lotions a silky feeling. Always use

a

small portion of your formulation to perform your tests on. This

way,

if it works, you can scale it up to rest of your batch. I lost

lots

of stuff by not applying this simple rule.

I wasn't aware you were using beeswax and borax. You need a better

emulsifier system. Invest in a good ewax(Polawax, Promulgen D,

etc.)

and in some cetyl and/or stearyl alcohols. The alcohols, when used

a

few percent rate, will give your creams and lotions good texture

and

opacify them. They will make your lotions look richer, have a

silky

afterfeel and added emolliency. Of course I still suggest you add

a

few percent IPM for the dry feel and cyclomethicone to reduce drag

but that's up to you. Balancing all these ingredients is what

makes

this craft so interesting and limitless. Another good habit it to

use

the HLB system this will make balancing your emulsifiers and oils

a

breeze.

RJ

> I appreciate the reply and I'm learning. I must admit I tried my

> 1st batch of lotion just last week using beeswax and borax to

> emulsify. I guess those ingredients could be considered natural

> (not man-made) but boy was that lotion greasy. I also read

> somewhere if I add cornstarch it would help cut the greasy

> feeling. I just didn't know the quantity. I added a few tbs. to

a

> total batch of about 16 oz. and I think that's what caused the

> liquid to separate from the emulsion. It started out nice - kind

> of like a mousse (whipped) texture - could form peaks and

maintain

> them, until about 48 hours later -then the liquid started

> separaing. (boy, I think that was a run on sentence -

> sorry)Anyway - I want to try it again with less oils and more

> water and I think I'll leave the cornstarch out all together

> unless you have some insight into how to use it properly.

[Guest guest]

SDF NATRASORB-100

I've never used it, but that is supposed to be its purpose. E-Wax leaves a

greasy feeling, too, I don't know if it's better or worse than beeswax.

Traci

How to reduce lotion greasiness?

> I just made my first lotion using the lotion recipe charts from

Soapmaker's Companion. It's quite

> stiff, which I like, but greasy, which of course I don't like. It does

contain beeswax rather

> than emulsifying wax.

>

[Guest guest]

I can't comment on beeswax but I use E Wax in my lotions and they are not

greasy. They soak in very nicely. Could be other ingredients that cause it to

be greasy. Just my .02! LOL

Hugs,

How to reduce lotion greasiness?

> I just made my first lotion using the lotion recipe charts from

Soapmaker's Companion. It's quite

> stiff, which I like, but greasy, which of course I don't like. It does

contain beeswax rather

> than emulsifying wax.

>

[Guest guest]

I don't use beeswax. The one and only time I did, I found it very waxy/greasy.

Didn't like it at all. As for e-wax and stearic acid, I haven't had a bit of

problem with greasiness using it. I have a carefully balanced formula that I

came up with myself... My customer's love it.

For the record, using beeswax and borax creates a water in oil mix... So, when

you rub it on skin, you feel the oil before the water. If you use e-wax and

stearic acid, you are creating an oil in water mix... Then, you first feel the

water, then the oil seals it in... Much, much better in my opinion...

Kari

Re: How to reduce lotion greasiness?

SDF NATRASORB-100

I've never used it, but that is supposed to be its purpose. E-Wax leaves a

greasy feeling, too, I don't know if it's better or worse than beeswax.

Traci

How to reduce lotion greasiness?

> I just made my first lotion using the lotion recipe charts from

Soapmaker's Companion. It's quite

> stiff, which I like, but greasy, which of course I don't like. It does

contain beeswax rather

> than emulsifying wax.

>

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Traci, thank you very much.

jane

> SDF NATRASORB-100

> I've never used it, but that is supposed to be its purpose. E-Wax

leaves a

> greasy feeling, too, I don't know if it's better or worse than beeswax.

> Traci

>

> How to reduce lotion greasiness?

>

>

> > I just made my first lotion using the lotion recipe charts from

> Soapmaker's Companion. It's quite

> > stiff, which I like, but greasy, which of course I don't like. It

does

> contain beeswax rather

> > than emulsifying wax.

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks, !

jane

> I can't comment on beeswax but I use E Wax in my lotions and they

are not greasy. They soak in very nicely. Could be other ingredients

that cause it to be greasy. Just my .02! LOL

>

> Hugs,

>

> How to reduce lotion greasiness?

>

>

> > I just made my first lotion using the lotion recipe charts from

> Soapmaker's Companion. It's quite

> > stiff, which I like, but greasy, which of course I don't like.

It does

> contain beeswax rather

> > than emulsifying wax.

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Kari!!

jane

> I don't use beeswax. The one and only time I did, I found it very

waxy/greasy. Didn't like it at all. As for e-wax and stearic acid, I

haven't had a bit of problem with greasiness using it. I have a

carefully balanced formula that I came up with myself... My customer's

love it.

>

> For the record, using beeswax and borax creates a water in oil

mix... So, when you rub it on skin, you feel the oil before the water.

If you use e-wax and stearic acid, you are creating an oil in water

mix... Then, you first feel the water, then the oil seals it in...

Much, much better in my opinion...

>

> Kari

>

>

>

> Re: How to reduce lotion greasiness?

>

> SDF NATRASORB-100

> I've never used it, but that is supposed to be its purpose. E-Wax

leaves a

> greasy feeling, too, I don't know if it's better or worse than beeswax.

> Traci

>

> How to reduce lotion greasiness?

>

>

> > I just made my first lotion using the lotion recipe charts from

> Soapmaker's Companion. It's quite

> > stiff, which I like, but greasy, which of course I don't like. It

does

> contain beeswax rather

> > than emulsifying wax.

> >

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

>

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*light bulb over head*

Thanks for pointing that out, Kari. I had never thought about it that way.

Traci

Re: How to reduce lotion greasiness?

> For the record, using beeswax and borax creates a water in oil mix... So,

when you rub it on skin, you feel the oil before the water. If you use e-wax

and stearic acid, you are creating an oil in water mix... Then, you first

feel the water, then the oil seals it in... Much, much better in my

opinion...

>

> Kari

>

[Guest guest]

You're welcome... HTH

Kari

*light bulb over head*

Thanks for pointing that out, Kari. I had never thought about it that way.

Traci

....

> For the record, using beeswax and borax creates a water in oil mix... So,

when you rub it on skin, you feel the oil before the water. If you use e-wax

and stearic acid, you are creating an oil in water mix... Then, you first

feel the water, then the oil seals it in... Much, much better in my

opinion...

>

> Kari

[Guest guest]

To reduce lotion greasiness you can add about 5% isopropyl myristate

even better in that respect is C12-C15 alkyl benzoate Finsolv TN. The

IPM is easier to find though. It reduces the greasy feeling buy

helping the oils and waxes penetrate the skin faster.

RJ

[Guest guest]

> To reduce lotion greasiness you can add about 5% isopropyl myristate

> RJ

Hi:

Sodium Lactate will help reduce the greasiness in lotion. But so will

natrasorb which is wheat starch and tapioca starch. If you don't have any of

these things, just put in some corn starch. Start out with just a little bit

and test keep adding and testing until you get the feel that you like.

Raven

[Guest guest]

What are these ingredients your mentioning? Are they manmade? Why

don't I just buy the lotion in the stores if I have to put all

these chemicals in. Is there something natural (from nature) that

will reduce lotion greasiness?

Re: How to reduce lotion greasiness?

To reduce lotion greasiness you can add about 5% isopropyl

myristate

even better in that respect is C12-C15 alkyl benzoate Finsolv TN.

The

IPM is easier to find though. It reduces the greasy feeling buy

helping the oils and waxes penetrate the skin faster.

RJ

[Guest guest]

Nature is greasy and I haven't found a completely natural ingredient

that reduces greasiness. Sure buying your lotions is an option. But

if your are trying to make your own then IPM (isopropyl myristate)

can be an option to reduce greasiness. It's a widely used ester made

from myristic acid and isopropyl alcohol and it's readily available

from most suppliers and it's cheap. IPM isn't more/less natural than

the emulsifier you are using for your lotion. Sometimes the choice of

oils used to make your lotion will help reduce the greasy feeling.

Using fast penetrating oils like fractionnated coconut, macademia,

kukui, etc. can help. Using not more than 20% of oils in your lotion,

choice of emulsifier and the quantity of it used are all variables

that can help make your lotion feel less greasy. Of course all this

really depends on your objective. I agree, why bother if you don't

mind paying $$$ for something you can make for pennies.

RJ

> What are these ingredients your mentioning? Are they manmade? Why

> don't I just buy the lotion in the stores if I have to put all

> these chemicals in. Is there something natural (from nature) that

> will reduce lotion greasiness?

[Guest guest]

I've heard you can add a pinch of cornstarch to your lotion and it

reduces the greasiness.

Betty

[Guest guest]

hi.

if you check out the ingredients on a bottle of shop bought lotion,

you will find that it includes these as well as many other

*chemicals*. here is an ingredients list from a bottle of shop bought

lotion i have:

Aqua, Glycerine, Paraffinum Liquidum, Glyceryl Stearate, Parfum,

Ceteareth-20, Stearic Acid, Carbomer, Triethanolamine, Methylparaben,

Propylparaben, CI 42090, CI 17200.

even more *natural* lotions will have some chemicals (e.g

preservatives)

i don't make lotions, but i know some people use cornstarch to help

with cutting the greasiness.

HTH

Jools

> What are these ingredients your mentioning? Are they manmade? Why

> don't I just buy the lotion in the stores if I have to put all

> these chemicals in. Is there something natural (from nature) that

> will reduce lotion greasiness?

[Guest guest]

As long as you continue using beeswax and borax, you're going to have a greasy

lotion... Once you switch to e-wax and stearic acid, you'll see a world of

difference...

As I've stated before... Beeswax and borax creates a water in oil emulsion...

you're going to feel the oil first... E-wax and stearic acid creates an oil in

water emulsion... you'll feel the water, then the oil... which seals the

moisture in...

For the record: e-wax and stearic acid are both from vegetable origins... Most

of the time... When buying it, be sure to check.

Kari

=//=

I appreciate the reply and I'm learning. I must admit I tried my

1st batch of lotion just last week using beeswax and borax to

emulsify. I guess those ingredients could be considered natural

(not man-made) but boy was that lotion greasy.

[Guest guest]

What happened is that you overloaded your lotion. The cornstarch

slowly unbalanced your lotion by absorbing the oil and that finally

broke the emulsion causing separation. That probably was too much

cornstarch for your lotion. I just remembered that tapioca starch is

recommended to give creams and lotions a silky feeling. Always use a

small portion of your formulation to perform your tests on. This way,

if it works, you can scale it up to rest of your batch. I lost lots

of stuff by not applying this simple rule.

I wasn't aware you were using beeswax and borax. You need a better

emulsifier system. Invest in a good ewax(Polawax, Promulgen D, etc.)

and in some cetyl and/or stearyl alcohols. The alcohols, when used a

few percent rate, will give your creams and lotions good texture and

opacify them. They will make your lotions look richer, have a silky

afterfeel and added emolliency. Of course I still suggest you add a

few percent IPM for the dry feel and cyclomethicone to reduce drag

but that's up to you. Balancing all these ingredients is what makes

this craft so interesting and limitless. Another good habit it to use

the HLB system this will make balancing your emulsifiers and oils a

breeze.

RJ

> I appreciate the reply and I'm learning. I must admit I tried my

> 1st batch of lotion just last week using beeswax and borax to

> emulsify. I guess those ingredients could be considered natural

> (not man-made) but boy was that lotion greasy. I also read

> somewhere if I add cornstarch it would help cut the greasy

> feeling. I just didn't know the quantity. I added a few tbs. to a

> total batch of about 16 oz. and I think that's what caused the

> liquid to separate from the emulsion. It started out nice - kind

> of like a mousse (whipped) texture - could form peaks and maintain

> them, until about 48 hours later -then the liquid started

> separaing. (boy, I think that was a run on sentence -

> sorry)Anyway - I want to try it again with less oils and more

> water and I think I'll leave the cornstarch out all together

> unless you have some insight into how to use it properly.