Guest guest Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 Dear Chondromalacia Community, I've had knee pain for almost three years. At first I thought I had Chondromalacia Patella (CP), but now I think I have Patellofemoral Pain Syndrome (PFPS). I also have a masters degree in mechanical engineering from Stanford University. Before I graduated, I wanted to learn more about my knee condition, so I took a class on biomechanics. For my final paper, I read a large number of current research articles on PFPS, and then I co-wrote a literature review---a summary of published medical research---on PFPS. Today I posted that summary to this group, under " Files " , in the hopes that people who want to learn more about CP and PFPS will find it useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Whoa, I hadn't heard of this before... I just came across this reading on the net: Anterior knee pain is often diagnosed as chondromalacia patella(2). This diagnosis is only correct when a softened and fissured patellar under-surface is seen during diagnostic imaging or surgery(2). Often, no cartilaginous pathological findings are present in patients who otherwise complain of severe knee pain and functional disability, especially during prolonged sitting, stair climbing or sporting activities. http://www.bfe.org/protocol/pro01eng.htm Does that mean many of us don't have CP, that we may have Patellofemoral Pain Syndrome? > Dear Chondromalacia Community, > > I've had knee pain for almost three years. At first I thought I had > Chondromalacia Patella (CP), but now I think I have Patellofemoral > Pain Syndrome (PFPS). > > I also have a masters degree in mechanical engineering from Stanford > University. Before I graduated, I wanted to learn more about my > knee condition, so I took a class on biomechanics. For my final > paper, I read a large number of current research articles on PFPS, > and then I co-wrote a literature review---a summary of published > medical research---on PFPS. > > Today I posted that summary to this group, under " Files " , in the > hopes that people who want to learn more about CP and PFPS will find > it useful. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 As I understand it, CP (or at least using the " new wave " definition of CP) is a subset of PFPS or PFS. So you can conceivably have PFPS without having CP. But if you have CP, then you automatically have PFPS. In practice, since there isn't any " language police " that enforces consistent, unchanging definitions, a lot of doctors (especially older doctors) still use " CP " to describe what the newer literature describes variously as Patellofemoral Pain Syndrome (PFPS) OR Patellofemoral Syndrome (PFS), Patella Femoral Syndrome (also PFS), or as just Anterior Knee Pain. Anyway, in my opinion, the best approach is not to get too hung-up on what the definitions ought to be and instead do google.com and pubmed.com searches using ALL of the above terms. Otherwise you will miss out. BTW, a couple of new articles that just got put on the web: http://www.physsportsmed.com/cover.htm http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/2004/0704/labotz_pa.htm > > Dear Chondromalacia Community, > > > > I've had knee pain for almost three years. At first I thought I > had > > Chondromalacia Patella (CP), but now I think I have Patellofemoral > > Pain Syndrome (PFPS). > > > > I also have a masters degree in mechanical engineering from > Stanford > > University. Before I graduated, I wanted to learn more about my > > knee condition, so I took a class on biomechanics. For my final > > paper, I read a large number of current research articles on PFPS, > > and then I co-wrote a literature review---a summary of published > > medical research---on PFPS. > > > > Today I posted that summary to this group, under " Files " , in the > > hopes that people who want to learn more about CP and PFPS will > find > > it useful. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 I didn't see the original posts that is replying to, but it's interesting that in '95 when I had crippling ITBS pain and got an LR, my OS found (and I have this on videotape) that the underside of my kneecap was " broken up " , " crazed " , or, I suppose it could possibly have been called " fissured " , though not deeply. Its integrity has held up -- it hasn't fallen into 96 small pieces on me. The OS who did my January '04 surgery (for torn meniscus and CP) didn't say anything about the kneecap having a raku look, and from what I can discern from the photos he gave me, it seems to have gone away. But I didn't think such a thing could happen. Ann Re: Summary of Research on Patellofemoral Pain Syndrome As I understand it, CP (or at least using the " new wave " definition of CP) is a subset of PFPS or PFS. So you can conceivably have PFPS without having CP. But if you have CP, then you automatically have PFPS. In practice, since there isn't any " language police " that enforces consistent, unchanging definitions, a lot of doctors (especially older doctors) still use " CP " to describe what the newer literature describes variously as Patellofemoral Pain Syndrome (PFPS) OR Patellofemoral Syndrome (PFS), Patella Femoral Syndrome (also PFS), or as just Anterior Knee Pain. Anyway, in my opinion, the best approach is not to get too hung-up on what the definitions ought to be and instead do google.com and pubmed.com searches using ALL of the above terms. Otherwise you will miss out. BTW, a couple of new articles that just got put on the web: http://www.physsportsmed.com/cover.htm http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/2004/0704/labotz_pa.htm > > Dear Chondromalacia Community, > > > > I've had knee pain for almost three years. At first I thought I > had > > Chondromalacia Patella (CP), but now I think I have Patellofemoral > > Pain Syndrome (PFPS). > > > > I also have a masters degree in mechanical engineering from > Stanford > > University. Before I graduated, I wanted to learn more about my > > knee condition, so I took a class on biomechanics. For my final > > paper, I read a large number of current research articles on PFPS, > > and then I co-wrote a literature review---a summary of published > > medical research---on PFPS. > > > > Today I posted that summary to this group, under " Files " , in the > > hopes that people who want to learn more about CP and PFPS will > find > > it useful. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 When I saw this quote-- " Patients will sometimes report that the pain seems to be coming from " behind the kneecap. " An early clue to a diagnosis is to ask the patient to point with one finger to the spot of maximal pain. Patients with PFS are often unable to pinpoint pain and instead will rub the front of their knees and complain of diffuse... " I thought Yes! Yes! That's what I feel, docs kept asking me to point to a specific area and I'd rub my whole knee and say behind the kneecap. But, all articles on the web say the same thing all docs tell me- physical therapy. > > > Dear Chondromalacia Community, > > > > > > I've had knee pain for almost three years. At first I thought I > > had > > > Chondromalacia Patella (CP), but now I think I have > Patellofemoral > > > Pain Syndrome (PFPS). > > > > > > I also have a masters degree in mechanical engineering from > > Stanford > > > University. Before I graduated, I wanted to learn more about my > > > knee condition, so I took a class on biomechanics. For my final > > > paper, I read a large number of current research articles on > PFPS, > > > and then I co-wrote a literature review---a summary of published > > > medical research---on PFPS. > > > > > > Today I posted that summary to this group, under " Files " , in the > > > hopes that people who want to learn more about CP and PFPS will > > find > > > it useful. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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