RE: BAEMT and Offshore Medics

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Ian,

I agree with you that the offshore medic / remote medic should have some

form of a voice out there, but I feel it needs to be on its own merrits. I

feel we need to form an assciation of remote medics but at the same time

lobby goverment to gain professional recognition, until we do this all we

will achieve is a club status, what we need to aim for is a faculty of

remote medics, and you can not do this I feel through the system of BAEMT.

an association of offshore medics was tried about ten years ago and got no

where, I dont know if kevin Moran is on the list, but he had a go at setting

it up at £35 ago...... but nothing ever came from it.

I feel that we should have all gone for the state reg through CPSM and use

that to lobby goverment and challenge military and HSE courses, that CPSM

may not recognise. I feel that CPSM should have had more people from our

back grounds apply, it seemed a logical way forward and alas we have missed

the boat. But that leads me to think, why I bother with BAEMT, the title

REMT-P means nothing to a professional body, CPSM did not take REMT-P with

open arms, so whats the point of using letters that mean nothing.

I have not made my mind up yet what to do, continue or bin it.... My

thoughts are mixed at the moment.

Cheers

Steve Benbow

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>CC: " Mark Borrington " <mark@...>,

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>Subject: BAEMT and Offshore Medics

>Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:12:41 +0100

>

>Hi All,

>

>I have today spoken with Mark Borrington the new registrar of BAEMT.

>

>I am fully aware that there are members of the list who have not had the

>best of experiences with BAEMT in the past. That aside though I would just

>like to let you know that Mark does have some new idea's on how to forward

>BAEMT and these include the Offshore and Remote Medic.

>

>Quite how this will affect members or potential new members obviously

>remains to be seen, however the impression I got was that Mark is open

>minded and keen to further " Pre Hospital Care " from whatever guise it comes

>in i.e. Military, Non IHCD, NHS, Remote etc. Despite the reservations of

>some of the Remote Medics membership I do see a benefit (in the future) to

>being a BAEMT member for the Remote Medic. At the end of the day its

>personal choice no one will force you to join.

>

>In regard to the recent debate, and remember the question wasn't should

>offshore medics be members of BAEMT but do offshore and remote medics want

>a

>voice to represent them to BAEMT, I would like to make 3 points,

>

>1. Don't let the past affect your opinion, Mark is all new and has a

>completely different style to Ekberg. I too have had my problems with

>the association but a new broom sweeps clean.

>2. Just keep an eye on BAEMT as there are most certainly going to be some

>improvements all of them I think for the better.

>3. Attend the AGM, if you have an opinion and you want it heard this will

>be

>your chance.

>

>In summary, I recently asked if anyone wished me to approach Mark on behalf

>of the Remote Medic List Membership, unfortunately opinion on the subject

>is

>pretty much equally divided between the ayes and the nays. I have therefore

>left the situation open, I have told Mark I will provide any advice I can

>about the remote sector (in an unofficial capacity), and I have also

>offered

>the use of the Remote Medics Mailing list should BAEMT wish to make any

>announcements that they think will be of interest to us in the remote

>sector.

>

>I think this covers both angles, i.e. BAEMT know we exist and the registrar

>knows we lead different roles to IHCD Para's and as such have different

>needs of an association. It also leaves the subject open if you wish to

>have

>a voice with BAEMT then you can, and if you don't, well................

>That having been said though the arrangement is unofficial enough for it

>not

>to cause any conflict of interest along the way. As I am already a member

>of

>BAEMT and a member of this list, I have a foot in both camps as it were and

>I will also continue to pass any relevant material that comes from the

>BAEMT office to the list and vice versa, regardless of Remote List Members

>being BAEMT members or not. I will always act in the best interest of the

>remote list, and if I feel BAEMT have information that will be useful to

>you

>I will certainly pass it on

>

>I hope the list membership are happy with the above, if not please feel

>free

>to contact me in the usual way,

>

>Best Wishes

>

>Ian

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[Guest guest]

Steve,

I believe that in the future we may say remote medics supported and indeed

some form of qualification issued by RCSEd. They are a particularly open

minded bunch of people and already run the Prehospital Certificate (PHEC),

Immediate Care Certificate (ICC) and Diploma (Dip IMC RCSEd). Unlike another

Royal College of Surgeons (based south of the border) who will remain

nameless,

they are not closed to non-NHS staff. The PHTLS course in the US is

available

to most grade of medic from EMT upwards. In the UK (certified by RCSEng),

the

very same course is only open to NHS paramedics, nurses and doctors.

I believe that with Mark Borrington at the helm the BAEMT will be in a

position

to present a voice for new categories of membership. Mark will manage the

association in a new way and I am sure he will help to lobby for other

speciality

groups within.

Ross

> Re: BAEMT and Offshore Medics

>

>

> Ian,

>

> I agree with you that the offshore medic / remote medic should have some

> form of a voice out there, but I feel it needs to be on its own

> merrits. I

> feel we need to form an assciation of remote medics but at the same time

> lobby goverment to gain professional recognition, until we do this all we

> will achieve is a club status, what we need to aim for is a faculty of

> remote medics, and you can not do this I feel through the system of BAEMT.

>

> an association of offshore medics was tried about ten years ago

> and got no

> where, I dont know if kevin Moran is on the list, but he had a go

> at setting

> it up at £35 ago...... but nothing ever came from it.

>

> I feel that we should have all gone for the state reg through

> CPSM and use

> that to lobby goverment and challenge military and HSE courses, that CPSM

> may not recognise. I feel that CPSM should have had more people from our

> back grounds apply, it seemed a logical way forward and alas we

> have missed

> the boat. But that leads me to think, why I bother with BAEMT, the title

> REMT-P means nothing to a professional body, CPSM did not take

> REMT-P with

> open arms, so whats the point of using letters that mean nothing.

>

> I have not made my mind up yet what to do, continue or bin it.... My

> thoughts are mixed at the moment.

>

> Cheers

>

> Steve Benbow

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I agree with everything you've said Steve and feel that CPSM is still the

way to go. The more remote/offshore medics that apply under the

'grandfathering' clause can only raise our profile within CPSM and aid us

towards getting our own register through them.

One thing that is at the back of my mind through all of this talk is that

this list is not representative of anywhere near quarter of the total number

of UK remote/offshore medics (never mind worldwide) and I think we have to

bear that in mind.

I think you've hit the nail right on the head as regards BAEMT: if the BAEMT

REMT-P was worth the paper it was written on then CPSM would have given all

those BAEMT members holding the qualification SR status. As has been

mentioned by other people previously, BAEMT is purely a an association or

'club'. The one thing that would change my mind on this is if any list

member holding BAEMT REMT-P can tell us of how BAEMT is challenging CPSM as

to why all of it's REMT-P members are not automatically granted SR status.

If the Kev Moran you're thinking of is ex 2 Para and now a HSE manager in

Trinidad; no he's not on the list but I know of someone who's in regular

contact with him if you need his address.

Cheers,

Bill

BAEMT and Offshore Medics

>Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:12:41 +0100

>

>Hi All,

>

>I have today spoken with Mark Borrington the new registrar of BAEMT.

>

>I am fully aware that there are members of the list who have not had the

>best of experiences with BAEMT in the past. That aside though I would just

>like to let you know that Mark does have some new idea's on how to forward

>BAEMT and these include the Offshore and Remote Medic.

>

>Quite how this will affect members or potential new members obviously

>remains to be seen, however the impression I got was that Mark is open

>minded and keen to further " Pre Hospital Care " from whatever guise it comes

>in i.e. Military, Non IHCD, NHS, Remote etc. Despite the reservations of

>some of the Remote Medics membership I do see a benefit (in the future) to

>being a BAEMT member for the Remote Medic. At the end of the day its

>personal choice no one will force you to join.

>

>In regard to the recent debate, and remember the question wasn't should

>offshore medics be members of BAEMT but do offshore and remote medics want

>a

>voice to represent them to BAEMT, I would like to make 3 points,

>

>1. Don't let the past affect your opinion, Mark is all new and has a

>completely different style to Ekberg. I too have had my problems with

>the association but a new broom sweeps clean.

>2. Just keep an eye on BAEMT as there are most certainly going to be some

>improvements all of them I think for the better.

>3. Attend the AGM, if you have an opinion and you want it heard this will

>be

>your chance.

>

>In summary, I recently asked if anyone wished me to approach Mark on behalf

>of the Remote Medic List Membership, unfortunately opinion on the subject

>is

>pretty much equally divided between the ayes and the nays. I have therefore

>left the situation open, I have told Mark I will provide any advice I can

>about the remote sector (in an unofficial capacity), and I have also

>offered

>the use of the Remote Medics Mailing list should BAEMT wish to make any

>announcements that they think will be of interest to us in the remote

>sector.

>

>I think this covers both angles, i.e. BAEMT know we exist and the registrar

>knows we lead different roles to IHCD Para's and as such have different

>needs of an association. It also leaves the subject open if you wish to

>have

>a voice with BAEMT then you can, and if you don't, well................

>That having been said though the arrangement is unofficial enough for it

>not

>to cause any conflict of interest along the way. As I am already a member

>of

>BAEMT and a member of this list, I have a foot in both camps as it were and

>I will also continue to pass any relevant material that comes from the

>BAEMT office to the list and vice versa, regardless of Remote List Members

>being BAEMT members or not. I will always act in the best interest of the

>remote list, and if I feel BAEMT have information that will be useful to

>you

>I will certainly pass it on

>

>I hope the list membership are happy with the above, if not please feel

>free

>to contact me in the usual way,

>

>Best Wishes

>

>Ian

>Listowner

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[Guest guest]

Credibility check:

What does BAEMT give me?

What am I allowed to give?

What am I allowed to do?

If it goes to court will BAEMT stand up and say yes we said he could do that

and is compitent?

What are my protocols? Have any REMT-P seen their protocols?

Who under writes them?

It is nice to think that Mike is a nice bloke with some good ideas, but good

ideas and nice blokes never kept anyones arse out of court.

If we can get answers then we can make a decision.

Regards

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>CC: " Mark Borrington " <mark@...>,

><ross@...>

>Subject: BAEMT and Offshore Medics

>Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:12:41 +0100

>

>Hi All,

>

>I have today spoken with Mark Borrington the new registrar of BAEMT.

>

>I am fully aware that there are members of the list who have not had the

>best of experiences with BAEMT in the past. That aside though I would just

>like to let you know that Mark does have some new idea's on how to forward

>BAEMT and these include the Offshore and Remote Medic.

>

>Quite how this will affect members or potential new members obviously

>remains to be seen, however the impression I got was that Mark is open

>minded and keen to further " Pre Hospital Care " from whatever guise it comes

>in i.e. Military, Non IHCD, NHS, Remote etc. Despite the reservations of

>some of the Remote Medics membership I do see a benefit (in the future) to

>being a BAEMT member for the Remote Medic. At the end of the day its

>personal choice no one will force you to join.

>

>In regard to the recent debate, and remember the question wasn't should

>offshore medics be members of BAEMT but do offshore and remote medics want

>a

>voice to represent them to BAEMT, I would like to make 3 points,

>

>1. Don't let the past affect your opinion, Mark is all new and has a

>completely different style to Ekberg. I too have had my problems with

>the association but a new broom sweeps clean.

>2. Just keep an eye on BAEMT as there are most certainly going to be some

>improvements all of them I think for the better.

>3. Attend the AGM, if you have an opinion and you want it heard this will

>be

>your chance.

>

>In summary, I recently asked if anyone wished me to approach Mark on behalf

>of the Remote Medic List Membership, unfortunately opinion on the subject

>is

>pretty much equally divided between the ayes and the nays. I have therefore

>left the situation open, I have told Mark I will provide any advice I can

>about the remote sector (in an unofficial capacity), and I have also

>offered

>the use of the Remote Medics Mailing list should BAEMT wish to make any

>announcements that they think will be of interest to us in the remote

>sector.

>

>I think this covers both angles, i.e. BAEMT know we exist and the registrar

>knows we lead different roles to IHCD Para's and as such have different

>needs of an association. It also leaves the subject open if you wish to

>have

>a voice with BAEMT then you can, and if you don't, well................

>That having been said though the arrangement is unofficial enough for it

>not

>to cause any conflict of interest along the way. As I am already a member

>of

>BAEMT and a member of this list, I have a foot in both camps as it were and

>I will also continue to pass any relevant material that comes from the

>BAEMT office to the list and vice versa, regardless of Remote List Members

>being BAEMT members or not. I will always act in the best interest of the

>remote list, and if I feel BAEMT have information that will be useful to

>you

>I will certainly pass it on

>

>I hope the list membership are happy with the above, if not please feel

>free

>to contact me in the usual way,

>

>Best Wishes

>

>Ian

>Listowner

>

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[Guest guest]

I use BAEMT for the liability insurance, the Dr that signs you competent

effectual sets your protocols. I will say though not while I am work!! Only

when I am called out by the coast guard, or on my way home, etc. my Dr will

be called into court and providing I have not goofed and he backs me

up.....no problems. If I exceed my skill base then I cop it not him.

regards

Ian H

[Guest guest]

Ian

I am sorry but I think that it is a bit his and miss;

you should be assessed and verified by a recognized accredited professional

body, the doctor could be Harold shipman for all they know. What you are

saying is it falls back on the Doctor or you, not BAEMT, so why do you need

BAEMT membership if it is only an insurance broker. there are other

insurance companies that will cover you for the same cost without the

facade.

I would be interested to hear from some one else, who has had to use BAEMT

insurance or organization for representation in a court of law and hear what

kind of support or backing that they have received before I make my mind up.

Steve Benbow

>From: ihub999cht@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: BAEMT and Offshore Medics

>Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:49:07 EDT

>

>I use BAEMT for the liability insurance, the Dr that signs you competent

>effectual sets your protocols. I will say though not while I am work!!

>Only

>when I am called out by the coast guard, or on my way home, etc. my Dr will

>be called into court and providing I have not goofed and he backs me

>up.....no problems. If I exceed my skill base then I cop it not him.

>

>regards

>

>Ian H

>

>

>