Guest guest Posted April 21, 2001 Report Share Posted April 21, 2001 We were always told they were failed vets! (you'll go straight to hell for that one Newbery!) Simon, Vet & wanna be medic, Holder of a 4day HSE First Aid in the workplace(St Ambulance) What is a medic? > This could lead to be a very interesting discussion! > > At what qualification do you become a medic. I mean > the BAEMT give you registration as such with the Basic > ambulance training that SJA do? > > So at what stage do you become a medic, is there a law > govnering such? > > Cheers, > > Noel > > The pain from SJA! > > ===== > The contents of this email represent my own personal opinions. They do not represent the views of St. Ambulance Brigade. In clinical matters you should always follow your own protocals as dictated by your training provider. You should not rely on anything in this e-mail as being correct without independant verification. > > http://clubs./clubs/saintjohnambulance2001 > > Noel Maguire > Founder > > ____________________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2001 Report Share Posted April 21, 2001 look in a dictionary >From: <simon.newbery@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: What is a medic? >Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:45:39 +0100 > >We were always told they were failed vets! > >(you'll go straight to hell for that one Newbery!) > >Simon, Vet & wanna be medic, Holder of a 4day HSE First Aid in the >workplace(St Ambulance) > What is a medic? > > > > This could lead to be a very interesting discussion! > > > > At what qualification do you become a medic. I mean > > the BAEMT give you registration as such with the Basic > > ambulance training that SJA do? > > > > So at what stage do you become a medic, is there a law > > govnering such? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Noel > > > > The pain from SJA! > > > > ===== > > The contents of this email represent my own personal opinions. They do >not >represent the views of St. Ambulance Brigade. In clinical matters you >should always follow your own protocals as dictated by your training >provider. You should not rely on anything in this e-mail as being correct >without independant verification. > > > > http://clubs./clubs/saintjohnambulance2001 > > > > Noel Maguire > > Founder > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 -- hi noel, Yes it is a very interesting point, because we (the army) have several kinds of medic personell We have the common soldiers we call them cls= combat life saver, they do just more than first aid, specialized for the battlefield, for example, they may put in a needle for infusion, we have the commando " medics " they aree specialized in trauma aid, we have specialized nurses like me also specialised in trauma aid, we get also a basic ambulance training, and we have doctors. Who is the real medic here?? we do not have a law that descibes this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 Hi Alf You say " we (the army) " . But what Army are you with?? Not a nasty comment but purely out of interest. Cheers (ex British Army Combat Medical Technician). Re: What is a medic? -- hi noel, Yes it is a very interesting point, because we (the army) have several kinds of medic personell We have the common soldiers we call them cls= combat life saver, they do just more than first aid, specialized for the battlefield, for example, they may put in a needle for infusion, we have the commando " medics " they aree specialized in trauma aid, we have specialized nurses like me also specialised in trauma aid, we get also a basic ambulance training, and we have doctors. Who is the real medic here?? we do not have a law that descibes this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 After Medical Assistant days then LOL Re: What is a medic? > > > -- hi noel, > > Yes it is a very interesting point, because we (the army) have several > kinds of medic personell > We have the common soldiers we call them cls= combat life saver, they do > just more than first aid, specialized for the battlefield, for example, they > may put in a needle for infusion, we have the commando " medics " they aree > specialized in trauma aid, we have specialized nurses like me also > specialised in trauma aid, we get also a basic ambulance training, and we > have doctors. > > Who is the real medic here?? > > we do not have a law that descibes this. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 Tony What the hell was meant by your last comment !!!! I purely asked someone that I do not know " what army " he is a member of. From what he had said it did not resemble the British Army as I left it. Does 'LOL' mean lots of love or loads of laughs !!! Cheers Re: What is a medic? After Medical Assistant days then LOL RE: What is a medic? > Hi Alf > > You say " we (the army) " . But what Army are you with?? > > Not a nasty comment but purely out of interest. > > Cheers > > (ex British Army Combat Medical Technician). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Dear Alf. My most profound apologies for the gender mistake. As you may know, here in UK, Alf is a male name, short for Alfred. Should have looked at your e-mail address and that would have given me a clue. Sorry again. I was an Army medic for 24 years and worked with the Royal Dutch Army on a few of occasions. Once or twice at a military skills competition in Germany for NATO (Europe) medical units. I have just finished one and a half years with an civilian EOD company in Kosovo and part of my remit was to liaise with the local KFOR units for medical evacuation cover, so I meet the Dutch contingent a few times there too. As to " What is a Medic " ? Well my PERSONAL view on this one is as follows: 1. The Concise Oxford Dictionary refers to Medic as: a colloquial noun for " a medical practitioner or medical student " . However, the media tends to use this term to refer to anyone that has any medical training be it, ambulanceman, nurse, doctor etc. They only seem to change that (and then only sometimes) if a Paramedic is concerned. 2. Again, the Oxford Dictionary states that a Paramedic is the noun used to describe: " a paramedical worker " . It then states that Paramedical is an adjective used to describe: " (of services etc.) supplementing and supporting medical work " . Well, Alf. Some people would have very strong views on that definition, i.e. does not a medic or paramedic actually carryout medical work ?? If you take the statement that " medical work " if that which is provided by qualified medical practitioners (i.e. doctors), then is not a nurse, or for that fact a dispensary technician, an operating theatre technician, a plaster technician, or even a medical receptionist providing work supplementary to and in support of medical work and thus surely entitled to be called " paramedic " ???????? 3. An Army medic is someone in the military that carries out medical duties but not a Doctor or nurse. In the heat of battle though, if someone shouts " medic " , they don't usually bother what qualifications the person has as long as they can do the job. In the British Army we have Regimental Medic's (e.g. Infantrymen who train as Regimental Medical Assistants) and Corps Medic's (members of the Royal Army Medical Corps - trained as Combat Medical Technicians). This gets confusing as they are both supposedly trained to the same standard. I do not know of anyone in the Army being referred to as a para-medic, unless they are a medic in the airborne and then it isn't quite the same. 4. In practise I have found that we refer to anyone that has the basic medical requirements/training as a Medic. But once the person has done advanced training, then they tend to be called Paramedics. An example of this might be seen in the UK's ambulance service. A person having completed their basic training to work as a ambulanceman may be called a Medic, but once they have gained operational experience and attended further training in trauma management, invasive techniques, etc, they will be awarded Paramedic status. 5. Basically here in the UK the peeking order (rank or status quo) can be classified as: First Responder/First-Aider, Medic, Paramedic, Doctor. I have left out Nurse as they sometimes train for Paramedic type roles and in the eyes of some (most) Medics and Paramedics are, unless specifically trained, hospital based workers and not classified as Pre-hospital providers. OK Alf that me finished on this topic, for now anyway. Cheers PS. Try asking " What is a Doctor " and that will produce some good chat. A friend of mine was referred to as a " Roof Doctor " whilst working as roof repairs man in N. America. As there the definition of doctor can be seen as " someone that carries out repairs " . Perhaps we could say that most MD's = Doctors of Medicine, have only gained first level degrees i.e. MB = Bachelor of Medicine and perhaps BS or ChB = Bachelor of Surgery. If they then train for surgery and become one of the very top in that field they might have M.Ch = Master of Surgery. But still not a Doctorate level qualification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2001 Report Share Posted April 29, 2001 Being down in the South of France for the last three weeks wearing a partial holiday hat/a please employ me for the summer hat and a why did your silly child impale himself on a metal stake causing a pneumothorax on my holiday park I have come back to see many thoughts on what is a medic. Perhaps I can throw the following into the melting pot. My first background being State Registered Nurse with advanced A & E postgrad then roles in the home office then para-military with diplomatic service, I have worked in paramedic roles with approriate training and skills gained along the way, for the last couple of years I have worked into Europe and in France am classed as a 'Medical Auxilaire' but carry authority as a paramedic with that organisation worldwide, I recently applied for membership to BAEMT and have been registerd in UK as EMT first responder even though my skills far outweigh the specification as I have done I & I and Defrib plus am a member of Basics. Several private ambulance services are happy for my grading here as EMT, Am I missing something or is this not the time for a standard scheme Regards, Les Angell Medic802uk@... P.S. am on the med for three months from JUne - anyone know people looking for staff? -- Noel Maguire <roofrackemt@...> wrote: <HR> <html><body> <tt> This could lead to be a very interesting discussion!<BR> <BR> At what qualification do you become a medic. I mean<BR> the BAEMT give you registration as such with the Basic<BR> ambulance training that SJA do?<BR> <BR> So at what stage do you become a medic, is there a law<BR> govnering such?<BR> <BR> Cheers,<BR> <BR> Noel<BR> <BR> The pain from SJA!<BR> <BR> =====<BR> The contents of this email represent my own personal opinions. They do not represent the views of St. Ambulance Brigade. In clinical matters you should always follow your own protocals as dictated by your training provider. You should not rely on anything in this e-mail as being correct without independant verification.<BR> <BR> <a href= " http://clubs./clubs/saintjohnambulance2001 " >http://clubs..co\ m/clubs/saintjohnambulance2001</a><BR> <BR> Noel Maguire<BR> Founder<BR> <BR> ____________________________________________________________<BR> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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