Re: Water kefir verses milk kefir

[Guest guest]

Here are my pros and cons:

I like milk kefir better. I don't care much for water kefir.

How's that for pros and cons.

Seriously, also, I just found water kefir to be too much work and it tasted like

bad beer, and I don't even like or drink good beer. I could not wait to drink

my milk kefir. I found that I was drinking less and less water kefir. Until

finally I was not drinking the water kefir at all.

Milk kefir has 56 beneficial micro-guys in it. Water kefir has 25 beneficial

micro-guys in it. There is an overlap of 5 micro-guys. This means that if you

do both, you increase your percentage of micro-guys by 34%. But for me, it was

not worth the hassle. Water kefir is much more complicated. Milk kefir is much

more nutritious.

Sincerely,

and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy

From: wcoy79@...

Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 16:07:35 -0400

Subject: Water kefir verses milk kefir

Would anyone be willing to explain the pros and cons of choosing milk

kefir over water kefir? Water kefir seems cheaper to make and more suited for

those trying to avoid dairy.

Thanks

Sent from my iPhone 4

[Guest guest]

Do you use raw milk? Would store bought milk, even if it's organic, be a waste

of time to use for kefir?

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Aug 2, 2011, at 4:38 PM, ROGER BIRD <rogerbird1@...> wrote:

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> Seriously, also, I just found water kefir to be too much work and it tasted

like bad beer, and I don't even like or drink good beer. I could not wait to

drink my milk kefir. I found that I was drinking less and less water kefir.

Until finally I was not drinking the water kefir at all.

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> Milk kefir has 56 beneficial micro-guys in it. Water kefir has 25 beneficial

micro-guys in it. There is an overlap of 5 micro-guys. This means that if you

do both, you increase your percentage of micro-guys by 34%. But for me, it was

not worth the hassle. Water kefir is much more complicated. Milk kefir is much

more nutritious.

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I use regular store bought whole milk and it makes excellent kefir. Organic milk

is sometimes ultra pasteurized which is not better than regular pasteurized

milk.

From: Coyle

Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:13 PM

Subject: Re: Water kefir verses milk kefir

Do you use raw milk? Would store bought milk, even if it's organic, be a waste

of time to use for kefir?

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Aug 2, 2011, at 4:38 PM, ROGER BIRD <mailto:rogerbird1%40msn.com> wrote:

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> I like milk kefir better. I don't care much for water kefir.

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> Seriously, also, I just found water kefir to be too much work and it tasted

like bad beer, and I don't even like or drink good beer. I could not wait to

drink my milk kefir. I found that I was drinking less and less water kefir.

Until finally I was not drinking the water kefir at all.

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> Milk kefir has 56 beneficial micro-guys in it. Water kefir has 25 beneficial

micro-guys in it. There is an overlap of 5 micro-guys. This means that if you do

both, you increase your percentage of micro-guys by 34%. But for me, it was not

worth the hassle. Water kefir is much more complicated. Milk kefir is much more

nutritious.

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But, , as far as I know, the ultra-pasteurized milk is always labeled as

such, very clearly.

and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy

From: jdpro@...

Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:30:13 -0700

Subject: Re: Water kefir verses milk kefir

I use regular store bought whole milk and it makes excellent kefir.

Organic milk is sometimes ultra pasteurized which is not better than regular

pasteurized milk.

From: Coyle

Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:13 PM

Subject: Re: Water kefir verses milk kefir

Do you use raw milk? Would store bought milk, even if it's organic, be a waste

of time to use for kefir?

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Aug 2, 2011, at 4:38 PM, ROGER BIRD <mailto:rogerbird1%40msn.com> wrote:

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> Here are my pros and cons:

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> I like milk kefir better. I don't care much for water kefir.

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> How's that for pros and cons.

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> Seriously, also, I just found water kefir to be too much work and it tasted

like bad beer, and I don't even like or drink good beer. I could not wait to

drink my milk kefir. I found that I was drinking less and less water kefir.

Until finally I was not drinking the water kefir at all.

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> Milk kefir has 56 beneficial micro-guys in it. Water kefir has 25 beneficial

micro-guys in it. There is an overlap of 5 micro-guys. This means that if you do

both, you increase your percentage of micro-guys by 34%. But for me, it was not

worth the hassle. Water kefir is much more complicated. Milk kefir is much more

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Yes it is. Most organic milk here is ultra pasteurized.

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[Guest guest]

I prefer my water kefir to dairy kefir for a lot of reasons:

My water kefir tastes mild and pleasant.

My water kefir is slightly easier to make than my dairy kefir. (I say " my "

because the process will vary for different people.) I drink it after the first

ferment without adding fruit.

The whey in milk bothers me a little. (Yes, even raw milk.)

Water kefir has been less finicky for me.

Water kefir has balanced my gut finally; nothing else would work -- have tried

everything, it has been years and years. Water kefir did it in a few months.

Happy kefirring,

[Guest guest]

, will you share " your " recipe for water kefir?  I have been wanting to

try making water kefir, but from the posts I have been following here, it seems

way too complicated.  Thanks!

Dorrie

[Guest guest]

Dorrie,

Water Kefirring is easier than it sounds. Explaining muddles everything up.

First I brew some nettle tea. I ordered my nettle in bulk. Tea isn't necessary

(plain purified water is the norm), but this is just my recipe.

When I make the nettle tea, I also pour boiling water onto a half an eggshell to

sterilize it.

While the nettle tea is steeping, I take a quart jar and measure about 3 T.

turbinado sugar into it.

I pour the tea into the jar, stir, and dissolve the sugar; then add purified

water until the jar is 3/4 full.

When the water is cool enough, I strain my kefir and put 2 big mixing spoonsful

of grains into the jar. Add the egg shell. Loosely cap the jar.

The kefir you pour off when straining the grains is ready to drink. I keep mine

in the cabinet. Most people cap tightly to get it carbonated, but after I had a

jar to burst I stopped carbonating mine. Some people keep kefir in the fridge.

Mine stays room temp and I drink it in two days' time.

The brewing jar stays in a warm place in my pantry for 2 days. In two days it is

ready to strain and drink. I've left it 3 days when I was too busy. It was fine.

I use nettle because it has lots of vitamins and minerals, as well as being an

anti-allergy tonic. If you want to brew it with a different herb, read up first;

some are antibacterial and will slowly harm your WK grains.

You can use any sugar. I use turbinado because its mineral content is higher

than white sugar. Some add a bit of molasses but I dislike the flavor.

My only trouble with water kefir comes when occasionally I let the dairy kefir

cross-contaminate the water kefir by not adequately scrubbing my strainer. The

WK becomes thick like egg whites. I rinse the WK grains and keep on making it;

in about 2 or 3 batches, it recovers.

Try it!

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I know how nutritious nettle tea is. And green! I would like to know how big

your water grains are. I like to compare sizes to nuts and seeds. Sunflower

seed? Pumpkin seed? Walnut? That would be amazing. I would hope not sesame

seed size.

Thanks,

Marilyn

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 9:17 AM, sthumming <humming@...> wrote:

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> First I brew some nettle tea. <snip>

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[Guest guest]

What is the eggshell for? Extra calcium?

Thanks,

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to sterilize it.

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spoonsful of grains into the jar. Add the egg shell. Loosely cap the jar.

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Minerals for the grains.R

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Can I ask you where do you get your nettle tea at? I would like to give your

recipe a try.

Thanks,

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> Water Kefirring is easier than it sounds. Explaining muddles everything up.

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> First I brew some nettle tea. I ordered my nettle in bulk. Tea isn't necessary

(plain purified water is the norm), but this is just my recipe.

>

> When I make the nettle tea, I also pour boiling water onto a half an eggshell

to sterilize it.

>

> While the nettle tea is steeping, I take a quart jar and measure about 3 T.

turbinado sugar into it.

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> I pour the tea into the jar, stir, and dissolve the sugar; then add purified

water until the jar is 3/4 full.

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> When the water is cool enough, I strain my kefir and put 2 big mixing

spoonsful of grains into the jar. Add the egg shell. Loosely cap the jar.

>

> The kefir you pour off when straining the grains is ready to drink. I keep

mine in the cabinet. Most people cap tightly to get it carbonated, but after I

had a jar to burst I stopped carbonating mine. Some people keep kefir in the

fridge. Mine stays room temp and I drink it in two days' time.

>

> The brewing jar stays in a warm place in my pantry for 2 days. In two days it

is ready to strain and drink. I've left it 3 days when I was too busy. It was

fine.

>

> I use nettle because it has lots of vitamins and minerals, as well as being an

anti-allergy tonic. If you want to brew it with a different herb, read up first;

some are antibacterial and will slowly harm your WK grains.

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> You can use any sugar. I use turbinado because its mineral content is higher

than white sugar. Some add a bit of molasses but I dislike the flavor.

>

> My only trouble with water kefir comes when occasionally I let the dairy kefir

cross-contaminate the water kefir by not adequately scrubbing my strainer. The

WK becomes thick like egg whites. I rinse the WK grains and keep on making it;

in about 2 or 3 batches, it recovers.

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> Try it!

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[Guest guest]

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My nettle leaf is the brand Frontier Natural Products from my local food co-op.

I bet you can order from some website and get the same thing. If not, I know of

a website called Bulk Herbs, and here is a link that shows they have nettle

leaf. I've never done business with them, but a friend of mine uses them

occasionally. http://www.bulkherbstore.com/NLC?s=Admin%20|%20nettle

Blessings-

[Guest guest]

do u get real tired after drinking water kefir, i can only drink mine at bed

time and was wondering if this is normal? Thanks!

From: sthumming <humming@...>

Subject: Re: Water kefir verses milk kefir

Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2011, 5:08 PM

 

I prefer my water kefir to dairy kefir for a lot of reasons:

My water kefir tastes mild and pleasant.

My water kefir is slightly easier to make than my dairy kefir. (I say " my "

because the process will vary for different people.) I drink it after the first

ferment without adding fruit.

The whey in milk bothers me a little. (Yes, even raw milk.)

Water kefir has been less finicky for me.

Water kefir has balanced my gut finally; nothing else would work -- have tried

everything, it has been years and years. Water kefir did it in a few months.

Happy kefirring,

[Guest guest]

When I first started drinking water kefir, I did feel bad after drinking just a

little -- sort of tired. It got better. I don't know if this is a detox thing,

or what.

Now I drink about 24 oz every morning and I don't feel anything weird after

drinking it.