Where did kefir grains come from?

[Guest guest]

I keep hearing that you cannot make kefir grains and you cannot make kefir

unless you get kefir grains from someone else.

So, how did they first come to be? I mean, somewhere along the line, there had

to be the first kefir grains. Is this something that is unknown?

[Guest guest]

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Scientists struggle with this very issue concerning ALL life on earth or

anywhere else. I look elsewhere for answers.

In my opinion, the grains really were a gift from Mohammed, the Incarnation of

God for that cycle of time, or someone like Mohammed, a Perfect Master, Qutub,

or God-Realized Master. As far as I am concerned, there is no other

explanation. For me, this explanation solves the riddle. The grains would be

what we would call a miracle, the expression of laws and forces that transcend

our physical laws and forces. They are a gift of love to humanity from a Higher

Being.

Bird

and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy

From: beaner892000@...

Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:50:39 +0000

Subject: Where did kefir grains come from?

I keep hearing that you cannot make kefir grains and you cannot make kefir

unless you get kefir grains from someone else.

So, how did they first come to be? I mean, somewhere along the line, there had

to be the first kefir grains. Is this something that is unknown?

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[Guest guest]

I read somewhere in the internet that they grew on the buckets of milk that

people in the old ages used to claber their milk.

People used wood buckets to store their fresh milk and and were just pouring the

new milk on the oldone and they noticed this weird clusters around th e

perimeter of the buckets.

Will try to find the article again.

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unless you get kefir grains from someone else.

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> So, how did they first come to be? I mean, somewhere along the line, there had

to be the first kefir grains. Is this something that is unknown?

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[Guest guest]

In the article at Wikipedia on kefir it states that these two guys made kefir

starting with " the intestinal flora of a sheep " .

Look under the header, " Kefir Grains Preparation. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kefir

^^

felix

On Jun 17, 2011, at 4:51 PM, ROSA wrote:

I read somewhere in the internet that they grew on the buckets of milk that

people in the old ages used to claber their milk.

People used wood buckets to store their fresh milk and and were just pouring the

new milk on the oldone and they noticed this weird clusters around th e

perimeter of the buckets.

Will try to find the article again.

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> I keep hearing that you cannot make kefir grains and you cannot make kefir

unless you get kefir grains from someone else.

>

> So, how did they first come to be? I mean, somewhere along the line, there had

to be the first kefir grains. Is this something that is unknown?

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

According to legend Mohammed gave kefir grains to the Orthodox people and taught

them how to make kefir. The 'Grains of the Prophet' were guarded jealously since

it was believed that they would lose their strength if the grains were given

away and the secret of how to use them became common knowledge.

It seems to me that at the turn of the last millenium, (1000 a.d) there wasn't

refrigeration, there wasn't plastic. Containers for food and drink had to be

light and portable. Sheep stomachs and goat stomachs were an available,

lightweight and strong container. Milk obtained from these sheep and goats had

to be either kept in pottery which is difficult to transport, or in the guts or

skins of animals.

The theory is that putting the milk in the dried stomach of a sheep or goat

activated a chemical process and as the milk was kept in this container, carried

over the shoulder of a shepherd or other semi nomadic groups, shaken as it was

carried that they discovered the milk kept longer, didn't spoil and that the

drink gave them strength.

" Accidental " fermentation is what resulted from sloshing the milk from a goat or

sheep around in this " bag " on a warmish day. As they poured out the milk, they

saw the changes (bubbles and thickening) and it made them healthy and resistant

to disease.

As time went on it became a highly prized item, so much so that in the 1800's

the Russian's sent in a woman to lure some milk kefir grains away from a prince

in Caucasus. It worked and the Russians used the milk kefir on tuberculosis

patients. The first known studies on milk kefir were in Russia at the end of

the 19th century.

There's a few articles about the chemical make up of milk kefir grains, but I

have shared my simplistic theoretical rendition!

Hope this helps,

Karin

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[Guest guest]

Good post.

I will, however, stick with my theory that Mohammed or someone of His state of

consciousness blessed the locals in the Caucasus with the grains.

and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy

From: dont_placate_me@...

Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:16:11 +0000

Subject: Re: Where did kefir grains come from?

Hi ,

According to legend Mohammed gave kefir grains to the Orthodox people and taught

them how to make kefir. The 'Grains of the Prophet' were guarded jealously since

it was believed that they would lose their strength if the grains were given

away and the secret of how to use them became common knowledge.

It seems to me that at the turn of the last millenium, (1000 a.d) there wasn't

refrigeration, there wasn't plastic. Containers for food and drink had to be

light and portable. Sheep stomachs and goat stomachs were an available,

lightweight and strong container. Milk obtained from these sheep and goats had

to be either kept in pottery which is difficult to transport, or in the guts or

skins of animals.

The theory is that putting the milk in the dried stomach of a sheep or goat

activated a chemical process and as the milk was kept in this container, carried

over the shoulder of a shepherd or other semi nomadic groups, shaken as it was

carried that they discovered the milk kept longer, didn't spoil and that the

drink gave them strength.

" Accidental " fermentation is what resulted from sloshing the milk from a goat or

sheep around in this " bag " on a warmish day. As they poured out the milk, they

saw the changes (bubbles and thickening) and it made them healthy and resistant

to disease.

As time went on it became a highly prized item, so much so that in the 1800's

the Russian's sent in a woman to lure some milk kefir grains away from a prince

in Caucasus. It worked and the Russians used the milk kefir on tuberculosis

patients. The first known studies on milk kefir were in Russia at the end of

the 19th century.

There's a few articles about the chemical make up of milk kefir grains, but I

have shared my simplistic theoretical rendition!

Hope this helps,

Karin

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