alcohol

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> What is 100% alcohol? I used rubbing alcohol cuz it's all I have. That's

> only 70% alcohol. Even Everclear isn't 100% alcohol. What is it?

Marcelle, if you can get 190 proof Everclear that will be fine. To get 100%

alcohol you would need 200 proof and the only place you can get it is from a

chemical supplier and you may need a license even for a small amount (5

gallon sample). To figure the % alcohol, divide the proof by 2.

Pat.

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This alcohol business is really odd: here we can't buy isopropyl alcohol,

which I prefer to use to clean the tape deck heads and the contacts on the

mouse =), so I have to get methylated or white/surgical spirits, which are

largely ethyl alcohol. Go figure!

Donna B. (N.Z.)

> I tried to buy some ethyl alcohol today and couldn't - not sold to the

> general public (in the UK). The chemist said isopropyl was pretty

much

> the same thing. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Isopropyl is not the same thing. Ethyl can be consumed but isopropyl cannot.

(Years ago my 2 yearold dau drank some isopropyl and ended up in the hospital

having her tummy pumped.)

However, I have put the isopropyl through the charcoal (Brita water filter) and

that removed the awfull smell.

Grins,

Kaye

alcohol

I tried to buy some ethyl alcohol today and couldn't - not sold to the general

public (in the UK). The chemist said isopropyl was pretty much the same thing.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

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[Guest guest]

A girlfriend and I have a " mental health girls day " a couple days a

month. We usually have drinks. It hasn't kept me from seeing

results.

Becky

> OK... Can I have wine or beer on my free day and still see

results???

> I was reading through the post last night and noticed that Rene (I

> think it was Rene) was telling someone to look at that first if you

> are not seeing results... (along w/ other really good info)... BTW,

I

> SO can see awesome changes in your pics Rene!!!! YOU JUST GO RIGHT

> ON!!! YOU ROCK!!!! You are so brave to take pics every month. I

> think I will 2.

>

> Danna

[Guest guest]

I did some partying a few of my free days

during my challenge & it didn't seam to stop

me from getting the results that I wanted.

I'm not recommending it, but I don't think it'll

totally sabotage your challenge.

Sheryll

> OK... Can I have wine or beer on my free day and still see

results???

> I was reading through the post last night and noticed that Rene (I

> think it was Rene) was telling someone to look at that first if

you

> are not seeing results... (along w/ other really good info)...

BTW, I

> SO can see awesome changes in your pics Rene!!!! YOU JUST GO RIGHT

> ON!!! YOU ROCK!!!! You are so brave to take pics every month. I

> think I will 2.

>

> Danna

[Guest guest]

> OK... Can I have wine or beer on my free day and still see

results???

> I was reading through the post last night and noticed that Rene (I

> think it was Rene) was telling someone to look at that first if you

> are not seeing results...

It all depends on the person. I, personally, didn't give up alcohol

completely although I know if I did results would have been better.

I did still get good results though. If you find you aren't having

the best results, it would be one of the first things I'd give up

though.

Colleen

[Guest guest]

Problem with alcohol is that it is going to be burned first and any

food you may have eaten has a better chance of being stored as fat.

Alcohol can also be very detrimental to the growth of new muscle

(catabolic). If 'twas me I'd reach for the cake, the french fries,

or something I truly craved.

Stasia

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Re: Alcohol

Problem with alcohol is that it is going to be burned first and any

food you may have eaten has a better chance of being stored as fat.

Alcohol can also be very detrimental to the growth of new muscle

(catabolic). If 'twas me I'd reach for the cake, the french fries,

or something I truly craved.

Stasia

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--even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to

one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity.

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Re: Alcohol

Problem with alcohol is that it is going to be burned first and any

food you may have eaten has a better chance of being stored as fat.

Alcohol can also be very detrimental to the growth of new muscle

(catabolic). If 'twas me I'd reach for the cake, the french fries,

or something I truly craved.

Stasia

[Guest guest]

I don't think a little will hurt much on a free day, but anything in excess

is a bad thing.

But let me ask this of people: What is the big deal about drinking? I have

one drink maybe every 3 to 6 months, and then it's something truly special.

What, you can't go out with friends and have some club soda with a lemon

wedge in it? Your hair will fall out if you don't have a beer? Your

friends/husband will abandon you because you won't have a bunch of JD? I

just don't get it. But maybe it's my " child of a drunk, wife a a recovered

alcoholic " mentality.

Personally, I think I'm worth the sacrifice.

Getting down of soap box.

Su the Hobbit

alcohol

> Hi,

>

> I've been reading the posting about the evils of alcohol and was

> wondering what the group thought about drinking alcohol on free

> days? Is it not alright then either?

>

> Sunnydelight

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Soap box indeed.

I understand your point of view, but why do people consider drinking

so horrible (in general, not in regards to losing weight)? No, you

shouldn't go out every night and get sloshed and, no, it isn't

necessary to drink to have fun. But, if people do choose to drink,

there isn't anything wrong with that. As long as they are

responsible, what's the problem?

> I don't think a little will hurt much on a free day, but anything

in excess

> is a bad thing.

>

> But let me ask this of people: What is the big deal about

drinking? I have

> one drink maybe every 3 to 6 months, and then it's something truly

special.

> What, you can't go out with friends and have some club soda with a

lemon

> wedge in it? Your hair will fall out if you don't have a beer?

Your

> friends/husband will abandon you because you won't have a bunch of

JD? I

> just don't get it. But maybe it's my " child of a drunk, wife a a

recovered

> alcoholic " mentality.

>

> Personally, I think I'm worth the sacrifice.

>

> Getting down of soap box.

>

> Su the Hobbit

>

>

> alcohol

>

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > I've been reading the posting about the evils of alcohol and was

> > wondering what the group thought about drinking alcohol on free

> > days? Is it not alright then either?

> >

> > Sunnydelight

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

My opinion... as with anything else, figure out how YOUR body

responds, what works for you, and what is doable and enjoyable to

make this a lifetime committment. Every person is different and all

the research studies in the world cannot tell you how YOU will react

to something. I won't say that alcohol will HELP your weight loss,

but I do drink regularly (do NOT read that as excessive, please)and I

have maintained a bf% in the teens for 2 years now. Is my alcohol

intake keeping me from getting to a very low bf? Maybe. Is it worth

giving up? Not to me. Fine wines and such are part of my enjoyment

of life.

But also take into consideration that my nutrition is squeeeeeeky

clean 6 days each week. So a glass of wine or two even on a non-free

day is not even a blip on the screen.

Lynda

* could I SOUND any more self-righteous??

[Guest guest]

> Hi,

>

> I've been reading the posting about the evils of alcohol and was

> wondering what the group thought about drinking alcohol on free

> days? Is it not alright then either?

>

It definitely slows your progress down. I do indulge on my free days

and occasionally during the week and I can tell you that is exaclty

why I haven't had as much succes this challenge as the last

challenge. Last challenge, I probably hit 90% of my workouts missing

a few Saturdays. With this time around, I nail all my workouts but my

eating hasn't been on track especially with the alcohol...much slower

progress.

Colleen

[Guest guest]

I can't speak for 'people' and I try not to because I will always end up

offending someone.

However, speaking for myself, I have a lot of bad experience with drinkers.

Honestly, being around a bunch of folks drinking beer makes me uncomfortable

(and yes, it's the beer because I can be around that same group when they

aren't drinking and have a blast).

It is very rare that I will drink enough to get a buzz, and I am responsible

enough to have a designated driver (hubby) around.

Like wise, I don't understand what drives people to smoke. I just don't see

the point in it. If there is nothing to gain by it, why bother?

Su the Hobbit

[Guest guest]

> >

> But let me ask this of people: What is the big deal about

drinking?

I love the taste of a Lemon drop: equal parts lemon and ketel one

vodka with sugar and a sugar rim...ooh but those calories add up <G>.

But I also go out and don't drink...it all depends on what I want or

what my mood is. Also with my chronic pain I will admit I use it as

a crutch sometimes to keep the pain level down when I feel like I've

maxed on my meds...altho logically BOTH of them effect (or affect?)

the liver so I'm not sure how much I'm " helping " the situation.

I also love champagne and hubby and I try to go out to a nice dinner

once a week and I'll have a glass or two of champagne with dinner.

I don't think drinking in itself is a bad thing but like others

posted feeling pressure to drink, excessive drinking, or not being

able to handle a situation without alcohol might not be the

healthiest thing.

Colleen

[Guest guest]

On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 11:14:53AM -0500, Su wrote:

> I don't think a little will hurt much on a free day, but anything in excess

> is a bad thing.

>

> But let me ask this of people: What is the big deal about drinking? I have

> one drink maybe every 3 to 6 months, and then it's something truly special.

> What, you can't go out with friends and have some club soda with a lemon

> wedge in it? Your hair will fall out if you don't have a beer? Your

> friends/husband will abandon you because you won't have a bunch of JD? I

> just don't get it. But maybe it's my " child of a drunk, wife a a recovered

> alcoholic " mentality.

>

You almost make it sound like if we choose to drink alcohol its some sort

of addiction.

Personally I am a wine fanatic. I love to try different ones and love to

learn about them and thats why I drink it. I don't have it every day and

even less since I have seriously started to train but I will have a few

glasses on a free day or other day of the week with dinner.

Others are beer fanatics just as I am a wine fanatic. I'm not talking about

the beer drinker who drinks budweiser only but as the ones who enjoys tasting

beers from around the world.

I've been raised in a family where wine/beer/liquor was always taken in

moderation. Some parents may not even agree with this but our grandparents

often provided us with coolers when we were kids and it was not uncommon for

the us to have a small glass of amaretto or cream of mint in our teenage

years. We were always taught to take it in moderation and not abuse it and

none of us ever have.

--

-eve

[Guest guest]

On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 09:42:30AM -0700, Seattle Lady wrote:

> I think her point was more that so many people feel peer pressure to

> drink. Since I joined this board in December, there have been plenty of

> posts by women worrying about upcoming social occasions where there

> will be alcohol. They often wonder how they can get through the event

> without drinking. Sometimes it's because they don't think they can

> resist the temptation to do something they enjoy, but will slow their

> BFL progress. Other times it's because they're stressed about the other

> people at the event wondering why they aren't drinking.

That's maybe where the question was coming from but to me, that isn't how

it came across since it wasn't put in that context

In any case, If the subject is of peer pressure than I don't get it. I

think it has become even more socially acceptable now to not drink if

you are out with a person or a group. Personally if I am on my own or

driving home, I don't drink simply because I don't want to take *any*

chances.

My opinion only but if you can't " resist " taking a drink, you have a

problem whether its a drinking one of a social one.

> What I've found is that me not drinking when everyone around me is, is

> pretty much a non-event. One or two people might say something, but I

> just brush it off. It's too bad that more people who would rather not

> drink during a particular event feel like it has to be such a big deal.

>

I totally agree with this. Plus if someone feels the need to make an

excuse for it, you could always say you are driving home and anyone who

puts pressure on someone to drink regardless should be slapped upside

the head as an imbecile

--

-eve

[Guest guest]

Re: alcohol

>

> You almost make it sound like if we choose to drink alcohol its some sort

> of addiction.

No, I said anything in excess is a bad thing. If you don't drink to excess

I don't see a problem. I admit that I do have a problem being around people

who drink because it makes me uncomfortable. That is my problem.

>

> Personally I am a wine fanatic. I love to try different ones and love to

> learn about them and thats why I drink it. I don't have it every day and

> even less since I have seriously started to train but I will have a few

> glasses on a free day or other day of the week with dinner.

Again, sounds like it's not excessive.

Whatever choices we make, they are ours alone to live with, as are the

consequences, be they our progress in training, our ability to progress in

our lives, or what have you.

I post no judgements. I have friends who drink 'regularly' who I do not see

as having problems. However, I am simply not comfortable around them when

they drink. Again, this is my problem due to having been the product of a

drunken lush idiot of a bio-dad.

Soap box now dismantled.

Su the Hobbit

[Guest guest]

<<Soap box now dismantled.>>

No, Sue, stay on it!! It's the only ways we can see you ))

Lynda

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[Guest guest]

Oh I am so coming over there and biting you on the knee!!!

Su the Hobbit

Re: alcohol

>

>

> <<Soap box now dismantled.>>

>

> No, Sue, stay on it!! It's the only ways we can see you ))

>

> Lynda

> *ummm... YES, I am barely 5 feet tall.. why do you ask???

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bret(t?) wrote...

>Soap box indeed.

>

>I understand your point of view, but why do people consider drinking

>so horrible (in general, not in regards to losing weight)? No, you

>shouldn't go out every night and get sloshed and, no, it isn't

>necessary to drink to have fun. But, if people do choose to drink,

>there isn't anything wrong with that. As long as they are

>responsible, what's the problem?

My personal opinion only...

I see nothing wrong with having a drink or two. If you enjoy the art of

wine or beer tasting, go for it. My problem is when people go out and

deliberately make themselves drunk in order to have a good time. I had

friends in college who would debate whether they would get drunk that night

on vodka, whiskey, etc.

I think my french friend put it best when she said " In America you

seem to drink *to* have fun, while in France we drink *while* having fun. "

I think one is substance-abusive and the other isn't.

Summer

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i love drinking, i really do. i've had some major hormonal changes in

the past year, and gone from being someone who could sit down with my

husband and split a whole bottle of vodka without blinking, to someone

who throws up after 2 glasses of wine.

hormonal changes aside, however, i've found that the more i train, the

less interested i am in drinking in general. when i drink in the evening

i REALLY feel it the next day on the weights or on the dance floor- just

like when i eat too much sugar.

giving my body 100% of my attention during excersize, and requiring peak

performance from myself, means that i've got a new level of awareness

about what kind of fuel i'm giving myself. when sub-par fuel means a

sub-par performance (and an afternoon spent kicking myself for ruining a

potentially kick-ass workout or dance class), i'm much less inclined to

indulge. in fact, it usually doesnt even sound appealing- not nearly as

appealing as a post kick-ass-workout high is.

-cera

www.strangestlittlemonster.com

www.seemescreaming.com

sunnydelight36549 wrote:

>Hi,

>

>I've been reading the posting about the evils of alcohol and was

>wondering what the group thought about drinking alcohol on free

>days? Is it not alright then either?

>

>Sunnydelight

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Iain,

In the UK, you can legitimately receive up to 20 litres per year of 96%

denatured ethanol for hobby purposes which carries no duty. Obtain the form

from your local Customs & Excise Dept. for permission to receive alcohol

(denatured with 0.1% tertiary butyl alcohol and denaturium benzoate - which

is non-odorous), and they will issue you with a license number against

which you can make purchases. This above grade used to be called Ethanol B

and it is this grade which is used by the UK perfumery industry - for some

reason now it is lumped under Industrial Methylated Spirits in the

application form. It is obtainable from sugar beet, and so is non-synthetic

apart from the denaturants. Other denatured grades of ethanol are also

available - one which is recommended for cosmetics contains 5% benzyl

benzoate. I just wrote to Customs and Excise Policy Unit within the last

month pointing out that the 7th Amendment to the EU Cosmetics Act means that

this option for denaturation is no longer open to us - since benzyl benzoate

is a sensitiser. They have acknowledged this and say they will come up with

an alternative.

Otherwise you can obtain undenatured 96% ethanol from almost any laboratory

chemical supplier, but you will pay a substantial amount of duty. Write to

me when you have your license number and I will point you to some suppliers.

Other organic alcohols are also available from France are made from cereal

and sugar beet - but I have found the odour of these to be unacceptable.

It is quite important to use alcohol of 90% plus strength. Use of lower

strengths will mean that certain elements of you natural materials may not

completely dissolve, and the your composition will smell and mature better

in high strength alcohol.

As a cleaning solvent, forget it. Acetone is cheaper and better for cleaning

up glassware and surfaces encrusted with resinoids etc., and evaporates

(dries off) quicker.

Best regards,

Tony,

www.tonyburfield.co.uk

[Guest guest]

> Hi Iain,

>

> In the UK, you can legitimately receive up to 20 litres per year of 96%

> denatured ethanol for hobby purposes which carries no duty. Obtain

the form

> from your local Customs & Excise Dept. for permission to receive alcohol

> (denatured with 0.1% tertiary butyl alcohol and denaturium benzoate

- which

> is non-odorous), and they will issue you with a license number against

> which you can make purchases.

-->8--

Hi Tony,

Thanks for the tip! I'll drop you a line when I have my licence sorted

(hopefully by next week).

Best wishes,

I.