Guest guest Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Some days ago I complained about how bad raw goat milk tasted. But my boy didn't have any problem with it. And when I tried raw cow milk, it had a little bit of the same taste. So, because of health and financial reasons, I decided to give raw goat milk another try, even though I already had a contract with a cow milk dairy. I thought that maybe the bad taste was a strong reaction to the fact that I was not used to it. I had already decided that raw milk was powerful stuff, enzymes and proteins and all. So I tried some goat milk again. The first sip had just a little of the strong, bad taste. The second sip was just barely there. And the third sip, it was completely gone; it just tasted like rich milk. I am so happy for that. Now, if I can convince my wife try to get used to the goat milk. It saves us money, and I hear that it is better for us. Also, the lady delivers to our door step. So, now I can make my kefir from raw milk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the top, the most, the bestest food in the whole world. and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Rodger, Congrats on the good news. Let me know how it goes. Leo On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:48 PM, ROGER BIRD <rogerbird1@...> wrote: > > > > Some days ago I complained about how bad raw goat milk tasted. > > But my boy didn't have any problem with it. And when I tried raw cow milk, > it had a little bit of the same taste. So, because of health and financial > reasons, I decided to give raw goat milk another try, even though I already > had a contract with a cow milk dairy. I thought that maybe the bad taste was > a strong reaction to the fact that I was not used to it. I had already > decided that raw milk was powerful stuff, enzymes and proteins and all. So I > tried some goat milk again. The first sip had just a little of the strong, > bad taste. The second sip was just barely there. And the third sip, it was > completely gone; it just tasted like rich milk. > > I am so happy for that. Now, if I can convince my wife try to get used to > the goat milk. It saves us money, and I hear that it is better for us. Also, > the lady delivers to our door step. > > So, now I can make my kefir from raw milk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the > top, the most, the bestest food in the whole world. > > > > and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 No, no, no. You never have to get used to goat milk. You are getting very POOR QUALITY goat milk. And it ain't the goat's fault!! Find yourself some quality goat milk from a different farmer, please. Marilyn On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 2:48 PM, ROGER BIRD <rogerbird1@...> wrote: > > Some days ago I complained about how bad raw goat milk tasted. > > But my boy didn't have any problem with it. And when I tried raw cow milk, > it had a little bit of the same taste. So, because of health and financial > reasons, I decided to give raw goat milk another try, even though I already > had a contract with a cow milk dairy. I thought that maybe the bad taste > was a strong reaction to the fact that I was not used to it. I had already > decided that raw milk was powerful stuff, enzymes and proteins and all. So > I tried some goat milk again. The first sip had just a little of the > strong, bad taste. The second sip was just barely there. And the third > sip, it was completely gone; it just tasted like rich milk. > > I am so happy for that. Now, if I can convince my wife try to get used to > the goat milk. It saves us money, and I hear that it is better for us. > Also, the lady delivers to our door step. > > So, now I can make my kefir from raw milk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the > top, the most, the bestest food in the whole world. > > > > and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Marilyn, I am not sure that you are correct. It may be that you have been drinking these strong milks for so long that you have forgotten that there is a " getting used to " time period. Or perhaps you never had a " getting used to " period. My boy liked both the cow milk and the goat milk perfectly fine the first sip. Otherwise, how do you explain my liking each sip more and more as I drank more and more from exactly the same cup? And I had the same experience with the cow milk. We will see. I am open to suggestions. , raw milk drinker extraordinaire and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy From: marilynjarz@... Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:21:58 -0400 Subject: Re: goat milk revelation No, no, no. You never have to get used to goat milk. You are getting very POOR QUALITY goat milk. And it ain't the goat's fault!! Find yourself some quality goat milk from a different farmer, please. Marilyn On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 2:48 PM, ROGER BIRD <rogerbird1@...> wrote: > > Some days ago I complained about how bad raw goat milk tasted. > > But my boy didn't have any problem with it. And when I tried raw cow milk, > it had a little bit of the same taste. So, because of health and financial > reasons, I decided to give raw goat milk another try, even though I already > had a contract with a cow milk dairy. I thought that maybe the bad taste > was a strong reaction to the fact that I was not used to it. I had already > decided that raw milk was powerful stuff, enzymes and proteins and all. So > I tried some goat milk again. The first sip had just a little of the > strong, bad taste. The second sip was just barely there. And the third > sip, it was completely gone; it just tasted like rich milk. > > I am so happy for that. Now, if I can convince my wife try to get used to > the goat milk. It saves us money, and I hear that it is better for us. > Also, the lady delivers to our door step. > > So, now I can make my kefir from raw milk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the > top, the most, the bestest food in the whole world. > > > > and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 years ago, goats milk was sooo strong tasting it took alot to get used to it, if you did at all. the last 2 milk goats I had, 2 gorgeous Lamanchas were the perfect example-May had wonderful milk-you couldnt tell the differance between hers or cows milk. Ria on the other hand, was sold to me with May as companion animal because her milk was the strong nasty tasting stuff it all used to be. she was actually going to be slaughtered, but he let me take her. the breeding, etc has come a long ways. May fed us, and Rias milk fed the kid goats. please, when you find goats milk, ask question, and over all, taste the milk first. beleive me, its WELL worth it. Nona > > Some days ago I complained about how bad raw goat milk tasted. > > But my boy didn't have any problem with it. And when I tried raw cow milk, > it had a little bit of the same taste. So, because of health and financial > reasons, I decided to give raw goat milk another try, even though I already > had a contract with a cow milk dairy. I thought that maybe the bad taste > was a strong reaction to the fact that I was not used to it. I had already > decided that raw milk was powerful stuff, enzymes and proteins and all. So > I tried some goat milk again. The first sip had just a little of the > strong, bad taste. The second sip was just barely there. And the third > sip, it was completely gone; it just tasted like rich milk. > > I am so happy for that. Now, if I can convince my wife try to get used to > the goat milk. It saves us money, and I hear that it is better for us. > Also, the lady delivers to our door step. > > So, now I can make my kefir from raw milk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the > top, the most, the bestest food in the whole world. > > > > and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Not hardly. What you need to do is try someone else's goat milk and see the difference. To even suggest that I would tolerate a bad flavor because I'm used to it!!?? Your one experience with goat milk causes you to believe good tasting goat milk does not exists. Well let me tell you...At our food co op we have milk tasting contests every year and we vote who brings the best milk. It is a blind contest with the name on the bottom of the glass. Of course all the goat milk is white and the cow milk is off white, and the yellow milk is from the guy that raises Guernsey's. So it isn't exactly a fool proof contest. There are cow people and goat people. No sheep milk entries yet. LOL. Most people who raise cows hate goat milk and rightly so because most of it is nasty. I also would not tolerate what you are drinking. It can't have even the ever so slightest hint of goatiness. But dogs like it. LOL. Last year the pygmy goat milk won the prize. Every cow person there had to admit it tasted better than anything they ever had. All the other goat milk there was goaty, very common because goat milk takes such special handling to make a good product and most goat owners are careless. And like you say, they get used to the taste. That's really too bad because it is not the goat's fault and gives goat milk a bad reputation. The facts are that very few people have goats that aren't a little deficient in cobalt and copper. Especially enough cobalt in their mineral supplement will take that earthy taste out of the goat milk. Provided...the milk was put on ice immediately, which a lot of people do not do. That's where the carelessness comes in. They think putting the jars of warm milk in the refrigerator cools it quickly enough. It doesn't. Believe me, if my goat milk was goaty I would not be able to sell kefir grains because that nasty flavor gets inside the kefir grains and it takes a while to leave. That's why I hesitate to buy kefir grains from someone raising them on goat milk; there is a 90% chance the kefir grains will have that goaty flavor, which I am very sensitive to. My cheese is also not allowed to have a goaty flavor. That's why I stay clear of the Toggenburg breed. You liked the goat milk more and more because it has a wonderful mouth feel and your mind compensated and you didn't notice so much the nasty flavor. But I wouldn't tolerate nasty flavored milk because that means it is either high in bacteria due to poor cooling practices and/or less than clean handling of the milk or the goat was less than healthy having mineral deficiencies. This is very common as goats have an extremely high requirement for copper. If cow milk ever tastes earthy, that is really bad because cow milk can take very much abuse and still be wonderful. I would ask to see the milking procedure and milk handling of where you are getting your milk. And look at the condition of the animals. Something is very wrong if your milk isn't absolutely delicious. Marilyn, raw milk connoisseur On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:33 PM, ROGER BIRD <rogerbird1@...> wrote: > > Marilyn, > > I am not sure that you are correct. It may be that you have been drinking > these strong milks for so long that you have forgotten that there is a > " getting used to " time period. Or perhaps you never had a " getting used to " > period. My boy liked both the cow milk and the goat milk perfectly > fine the first sip. Otherwise, how do you explain my liking each sip more > and more as I drank more and more from exactly the same cup? > > And I had the same experience with the cow milk. > > We will see. I am open to suggestions. > > , raw milk drinker extraordinaire > > and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Hi Re cow's milk taste ... if the cows are eating dandelions ... it will taste like dandelion milk!! YUK! During the dandelion season I had a hard time using our own Jersey's milk. I got so sensitive to that taste that I could even taste it somewhat, although less, in the mixed milk sold at stores. But that was back in the 60's when even the bulk milk sales were more likely to be on pasture .. thus with the probability of dandelions. Cheers, Joyce Simmerman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 That is partially true. If the goat's or cow's diet is well mineralized they have better digestion and weeds in the diet make no difference in the taste of the milk. I know by experience. Most home dairies do not put the expense into properly feeding their girls just so the milk tastes perfect. It is important to me so I am willing to pay the $54 for 50# of kelp, for example. And if I fed it free choice like I am supposed to, my herd would go through that in about a week. Get the idea how expensive it can be? Not too many are inclined. Marilyn with her 70+ goats (mostly kids) but who started this operation with Star, a beautiful and gentle Jersey cow On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Joyce M. Simmerman <nativelegal@...>wrote: > Hi Re cow's milk taste ... if the cows are eating dandelions ... it will > taste like dandelion milk!! YUK! During the dandelion season I had a > hard time using our own Jersey's milk. I got so sensitive to that taste > that I could even taste it somewhat, although less, in the mixed milk > sold at stores. But that was back in the 60's when even the bulk milk > sales were more likely to be on pasture .. thus with the probability of > dandelions. Cheers, Joyce Simmerman > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Thank you so much Marilyn for educating us on goat's milk! It certainly came as a revelation to me! I am so eager to drink GOOD goat's milk since the stuff I tasted was horrible. Now I have a MUCH better appreciation for goat's milk and for those who raise them properly. Sincerely, Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Oh, I have lots more trivia about goats if anyone wants to hear it. Of the standard breeds, Nubian has the best tasting milk. Any of the mini breeds have good tasting milk because of the Nigerian influence. But of course, Nigerian Dwarf goat milk is the sweetest, creamiest milk a goat can make. That milk wins prizes. So find out what breed you are sampling. Alpines are runners up for goaty flavor, Lamachas are iffy. Saanens make delicious milk but most are low in butterfat. I never had Oberhasli milk. Any goat can produce good milk with proper milk handling and proper nutrition. Marilyn On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Jane <mjr47@...> wrote: > Thank you so much Marilyn for educating us on goat's milk! It certainly > came as a revelation to me! I am so eager to drink GOOD goat's milk since > the stuff I tasted was horrible. Now I have a MUCH better appreciation for > goat's milk and for those who raise them properly. > > Sincerely, > Jane > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Hi, I'm no expert, but based on my personal experiences, I have to second this... When I first tried raw goat milk, I had no idea what to expect. I was pleasantly surprised to find it tasted just like milk except fresher and more satisfying. It was very thirst-quenching! I loved it immediately. A couple years later, when the farm stopped selling milk, I found another source of raw goat milk, but the milk was not as good! That milk had a strong taste. Those goats wandered around a steep, rocky property and I thought maybe it was just something they were eating - some kind of weed or something. But the more I talked to the owner, I found out she'd given them some kind of medicine recently because a couple of them had infections. If you have to make yourself get used to it, then please consider at least trying a different source for comparison. Sincerely, in Tennessee > > No, no, no. You never have to get used to goat milk. You are getting very > POOR QUALITY goat milk. And it ain't the goat's fault!! Find yourself some > quality goat milk from a different farmer, please. > > Marilyn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Marilyn, I do not concur with your assessment. I'm sure you're correct about other farmer's goat milk, but I got my milk kefir grains from you and DID taste a goaty taste from my first couple of kefir batches. It wasn't bad, it actually reminded me a little of feta cheese, which is usually made from goats' milk. Again, it was not a bad taste, but was uniquely " GOAT " ! I just wanted to add that my milk kefir grains are performing beautifully! I started being able to produce a pint a day to gallons a week! I have already parted with several tablespoons of grains and still have enough to produce 5 gallons a week if I wanted to! I have to put them in the refrigerator a couple of times a week just to slow them down so I don't run out of milk. I have to draw the line at ordering 3 gallons of raw milk a week! Lol! Thanks for healthy grains! Shari > > Not hardly. What you need to do is try someone else's goat milk and see the > difference. To even suggest that I would tolerate a bad flavor because I'm > used to it!!?? Your one experience with goat milk causes you to believe good > tasting goat milk does not exists. Well let me tell you...At our food co op > we have milk tasting contests every year and we vote who brings the best > milk. It is a blind contest with the name on the bottom of the glass. Of > course all the goat milk is white and the cow milk is off white, and the > yellow milk is from the guy that raises Guernsey's. So it isn't exactly a > fool proof contest. There are cow people and goat people. No sheep milk > entries yet. LOL. Most people who raise cows hate goat milk and rightly so > because most of it is nasty. I also would not tolerate what you are > drinking. It can't have even the ever so slightest hint of goatiness. But > dogs like it. LOL. Last year the pygmy goat milk won the prize. Every cow > person there had to admit it tasted better than anything they ever had. All > the other goat milk there was goaty, very common because goat milk takes > such special handling to make a good product and most goat owners are > careless. And like you say, they get used to the taste. That's really too > bad because it is not the goat's fault and gives goat milk a bad reputation.......... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 The raw milk I am buying comes from an oberhasli/alpine cross and it is wonderful. Unlike the stuff I once bought at the store that should have been labeled " -goat pee " not milk. Hydie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Good feta cheese is not goaty per se. When I say goaty I mean gross, earthy, hold your nose, yucky. You said it wasn't bad so I don't think we are talking about the same flavor. Feta cheese is traditionally made from sheep milk or goat milk. Sheep milk can also get that strong earthy flavor. I had contemplated milking sheep before I got these little goats but I had no idea how I was going to control the flavor of the milk. You can't give sheep much copper because it can kill them. But it is what they need. It is a fine line that we don't know much about. I give our sheep copper once in a while and haven't killed them yet! Copper makes for healthy hooves and keeps the worms out of your animals. Marilyn On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:31 PM, thetweetsmeow <thetweetsmeow@...>wrote: > Marilyn, > > I do not concur with your assessment. I'm sure you're correct about other > farmer's goat milk, but I got my milk kefir grains from you and DID taste a > goaty taste from my first couple of kefir batches. It wasn't bad, it > actually reminded me a little of feta cheese, which is usually made from > goats' milk. Again, it was not a bad taste, but was uniquely " GOAT " ! > > I just wanted to add that my milk kefir grains are performing beautifully! > I started being able to produce a pint a day to gallons a week! I have > already parted with several tablespoons of grains and still have enough to > produce 5 gallons a week if I wanted to! I have to put them in the > refrigerator a couple of times a week just to slow them down so I don't run > out of milk. I have to draw the line at ordering 3 gallons of raw milk a > week! Lol! > > Thanks for healthy grains! > > Shari > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Re copper, and excerpted from my book (Making Money With Goats 6th edition) " ...animals with high-normal copper levels are up to 96% less infested by Haemonchus contortus, the major killer of the roundworms. "  And btw the above study was done on lambs.  There is also some evidence that cobalt plays a major role in milk flavor.  Ellie    Ellie's New Adventure: http://mindingthemiddleagedmiddle.com   How older, fatter folk can figure out what works for weight, health and aging!   E-books, articles, blog and much more... Rural adventure: http://beyondthesidewalk.com   Marketing Workshops, Books, blog/free newsletter, consulting for rural entrepreneurs > Marilyn, > > I do not concur with your assessment. I'm sure you're correct about other > farmer's goat milk, but I got my milk kefir grains from you and DID taste a > goaty taste from my first couple of kefir batches. It wasn't bad, it > actually reminded me a little of feta cheese, which is usually made from > goats' milk. Again, it was not a bad taste, but was uniquely " GOAT " ! > > I just wanted to add that my milk kefir grains are performing beautifully! > I started being able to produce a pint a day to gallons a week! I have > already parted with several tablespoons of grains and still have enough to > produce 5 gallons a week if I wanted to! I have to put them in the > refrigerator a couple of times a week just to slow them down so I don't run > out of milk. I have to draw the line at ordering 3 gallons of raw milk a > week! Lol! > > Thanks for healthy grains! > > Shari > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 What form is the copper in and how much do you give a goat or sheep? andy careaga >________________________________ >From: Marilyn Kefirlady <marilynjarz@...> >...I give our sheep copper once in a while and haven't killed them yet! > >Copper makes for healthy hooves and keeps the worms out of your animals. > >Marilyn > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 http://www.saanendoah.com/copper1.html Ellie's New Adventure: http://mindingthemiddleagedmiddle.com   How older, fatter folk can figure out what works for weight, health and aging!   E-books, articles, blog and much more... Rural adventure: http://beyondthesidewalk.com   Marketing Workshops, Books, blog/free newsletter, consulting for rural entrepreneurs From: Andres Careaga <arcare00@...> Subject: Re: Re: goat milk revelation " " < > Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 2:07 PM  What form is the copper in and how much do you give a goat or sheep? andy careaga >________________________________ >From: Marilyn Kefirlady <marilynjarz@...> >...I give our sheep copper once in a while and haven't killed them yet! > >Copper makes for healthy hooves and keeps the worms out of your animals. > >Marilyn > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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