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Some days ago I complained about how bad raw goat milk tasted.

But my boy didn't have any problem with it. And when I tried raw cow milk, it

had a little bit of the same taste. So, because of health and financial

reasons, I decided to give raw goat milk another try, even though I already had

a contract with a cow milk dairy. I thought that maybe the bad taste was a

strong reaction to the fact that I was not used to it. I had already decided

that raw milk was powerful stuff, enzymes and proteins and all. So I tried some

goat milk again. The first sip had just a little of the strong, bad taste. The

second sip was just barely there. And the third sip, it was completely gone; it

just tasted like rich milk.

I am so happy for that. Now, if I can convince my wife try to get used to the

goat milk. It saves us money, and I hear that it is better for us. Also, the

lady delivers to our door step.

So, now I can make my kefir from raw milk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the top,

the most, the bestest food in the whole world.

and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy

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Rodger,

Congrats on the good news.

Let me know how it goes.

Leo

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:48 PM, ROGER BIRD <rogerbird1@...> wrote:

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>

>

> Some days ago I complained about how bad raw goat milk tasted.

>

> But my boy didn't have any problem with it. And when I tried raw cow milk,

> it had a little bit of the same taste. So, because of health and financial

> reasons, I decided to give raw goat milk another try, even though I already

> had a contract with a cow milk dairy. I thought that maybe the bad taste was

> a strong reaction to the fact that I was not used to it. I had already

> decided that raw milk was powerful stuff, enzymes and proteins and all. So I

> tried some goat milk again. The first sip had just a little of the strong,

> bad taste. The second sip was just barely there. And the third sip, it was

> completely gone; it just tasted like rich milk.

>

> I am so happy for that. Now, if I can convince my wife try to get used to

> the goat milk. It saves us money, and I hear that it is better for us. Also,

> the lady delivers to our door step.

>

> So, now I can make my kefir from raw milk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the

> top, the most, the bestest food in the whole world.

>

>

>

> and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy

>

>

>

>

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No, no, no. You never have to get used to goat milk. You are getting very

POOR QUALITY goat milk. And it ain't the goat's fault!! Find yourself some

quality goat milk from a different farmer, please.

Marilyn

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 2:48 PM, ROGER BIRD <rogerbird1@...> wrote:

>

> Some days ago I complained about how bad raw goat milk tasted.

>

> But my boy didn't have any problem with it. And when I tried raw cow milk,

> it had a little bit of the same taste. So, because of health and financial

> reasons, I decided to give raw goat milk another try, even though I already

> had a contract with a cow milk dairy. I thought that maybe the bad taste

> was a strong reaction to the fact that I was not used to it. I had already

> decided that raw milk was powerful stuff, enzymes and proteins and all. So

> I tried some goat milk again. The first sip had just a little of the

> strong, bad taste. The second sip was just barely there. And the third

> sip, it was completely gone; it just tasted like rich milk.

>

> I am so happy for that. Now, if I can convince my wife try to get used to

> the goat milk. It saves us money, and I hear that it is better for us.

> Also, the lady delivers to our door step.

>

> So, now I can make my kefir from raw milk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the

> top, the most, the bestest food in the whole world.

>

>

>

> and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy

>

>

>

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Marilyn,

I am not sure that you are correct. It may be that you have been drinking these

strong milks for so long that you have forgotten that there is a " getting used

to " time period. Or perhaps you never had a " getting used to " period. My boy

liked both the cow milk and the goat milk perfectly fine the first sip.

Otherwise, how do you explain my liking each sip more and more as I drank more

and more from exactly the same cup?

And I had the same experience with the cow milk.

We will see. I am open to suggestions.

, raw milk drinker extraordinaire

and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy

From: marilynjarz@...

Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:21:58 -0400

Subject: Re: goat milk revelation

No, no, no. You never have to get used to goat milk. You are getting very

POOR QUALITY goat milk. And it ain't the goat's fault!! Find yourself some

quality goat milk from a different farmer, please.

Marilyn

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 2:48 PM, ROGER BIRD <rogerbird1@...> wrote:

>

> Some days ago I complained about how bad raw goat milk tasted.

>

> But my boy didn't have any problem with it. And when I tried raw cow milk,

> it had a little bit of the same taste. So, because of health and financial

> reasons, I decided to give raw goat milk another try, even though I already

> had a contract with a cow milk dairy. I thought that maybe the bad taste

> was a strong reaction to the fact that I was not used to it. I had already

> decided that raw milk was powerful stuff, enzymes and proteins and all. So

> I tried some goat milk again. The first sip had just a little of the

> strong, bad taste. The second sip was just barely there. And the third

> sip, it was completely gone; it just tasted like rich milk.

>

> I am so happy for that. Now, if I can convince my wife try to get used to

> the goat milk. It saves us money, and I hear that it is better for us.

> Also, the lady delivers to our door step.

>

> So, now I can make my kefir from raw milk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the

> top, the most, the bestest food in the whole world.

>

>

>

> and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy

>

>

>

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years ago, goats milk was sooo strong tasting it took alot to get used to it, if

you did at all.

the last 2 milk goats I had, 2 gorgeous Lamanchas were the perfect example-May

had wonderful milk-you couldnt tell the differance between hers or cows milk. 

Ria on the other hand, was sold to me with May as companion animal because her

milk was the strong nasty tasting stuff it all used to be.  she was actually

going to be slaughtered, but he let me take her.  the breeding, etc has come a

long ways.  May fed us, and Rias milk fed the kid goats.    please, when you

find goats milk, ask question, and over all, taste the milk first.  beleive me,

its WELL worth it.

Nona

>

> Some days ago I complained about how bad raw goat milk tasted.

>

> But my boy didn't have any problem with it.  And when I tried raw cow milk,

> it had a little bit of the same taste.  So, because of health and financial

> reasons, I decided to give raw goat milk another try, even though I already

> had a contract with a cow milk dairy.  I thought that maybe the bad taste

> was a strong reaction to the fact that I was not used to it.  I had already

> decided that raw milk was powerful stuff, enzymes and proteins and all.  So

> I tried some goat milk again.  The first sip had just a little of the

> strong, bad taste.  The second sip was just barely there.  And the third

> sip, it was completely gone; it just tasted like rich milk.

>

> I am so happy for that.  Now, if I can convince my wife try to get used to

> the goat milk.  It saves us money, and I hear that it is better for us.

>  Also, the lady delivers to our door step.

>

> So, now I can make my kefir from raw milk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  This is the

> top, the most, the bestest food in the whole world.

>

>

>

> and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy

>

>

>

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Not hardly. What you need to do is try someone else's goat milk and see the

difference. To even suggest that I would tolerate a bad flavor because I'm

used to it!!?? Your one experience with goat milk causes you to believe good

tasting goat milk does not exists. Well let me tell you...At our food co op

we have milk tasting contests every year and we vote who brings the best

milk. It is a blind contest with the name on the bottom of the glass. Of

course all the goat milk is white and the cow milk is off white, and the

yellow milk is from the guy that raises Guernsey's. So it isn't exactly a

fool proof contest. There are cow people and goat people. No sheep milk

entries yet. LOL. Most people who raise cows hate goat milk and rightly so

because most of it is nasty. I also would not tolerate what you are

drinking. It can't have even the ever so slightest hint of goatiness. But

dogs like it. LOL. Last year the pygmy goat milk won the prize. Every cow

person there had to admit it tasted better than anything they ever had. All

the other goat milk there was goaty, very common because goat milk takes

such special handling to make a good product and most goat owners are

careless. And like you say, they get used to the taste. That's really too

bad because it is not the goat's fault and gives goat milk a bad reputation.

The facts are that very few people have goats that aren't a little deficient

in cobalt and copper. Especially enough cobalt in their mineral supplement

will take that earthy taste out of the goat milk. Provided...the milk was

put on ice immediately, which a lot of people do not do. That's where the

carelessness comes in. They think putting the jars of warm milk in the

refrigerator cools it quickly enough. It doesn't.

Believe me, if my goat milk was goaty I would not be able to sell kefir

grains because that nasty flavor gets inside the kefir grains and it takes a

while to leave. That's why I hesitate to buy kefir grains from someone

raising them on goat milk; there is a 90% chance the kefir grains will have

that goaty flavor, which I am very sensitive to. My cheese is also not

allowed to have a goaty flavor. That's why I stay clear of the Toggenburg

breed.

You liked the goat milk more and more because it has a wonderful mouth feel

and your mind compensated and you didn't notice so much the nasty flavor.

But I wouldn't tolerate nasty flavored milk because that means it is either

high in bacteria due to poor cooling practices and/or less than clean

handling of the milk or the goat was less than healthy having mineral

deficiencies. This is very common as goats have an extremely high

requirement for copper.

If cow milk ever tastes earthy, that is really bad because cow milk can take

very much abuse and still be wonderful. I would ask to see the milking

procedure and milk handling of where you are getting your milk. And look at

the condition of the animals. Something is very wrong if your milk isn't

absolutely delicious.

Marilyn,

raw milk connoisseur

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:33 PM, ROGER BIRD <rogerbird1@...> wrote:

>

> Marilyn,

>

> I am not sure that you are correct. It may be that you have been drinking

> these strong milks for so long that you have forgotten that there is a

> " getting used to " time period. Or perhaps you never had a " getting used to "

> period. My boy liked both the cow milk and the goat milk perfectly

> fine the first sip. Otherwise, how do you explain my liking each sip more

> and more as I drank more and more from exactly the same cup?

>

> And I had the same experience with the cow milk.

>

> We will see. I am open to suggestions.

>

> , raw milk drinker extraordinaire

>

> and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Re cow's milk taste ... if the cows are eating dandelions ... it will

taste like dandelion milk!! YUK! During the dandelion season I had a

hard time using our own Jersey's milk. I got so sensitive to that taste

that I could even taste it somewhat, although less, in the mixed milk

sold at stores. But that was back in the 60's when even the bulk milk

sales were more likely to be on pasture .. thus with the probability of

dandelions. Cheers, Joyce Simmerman

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That is partially true. If the goat's or cow's diet is well mineralized they

have better digestion and weeds in the diet make no difference in the taste

of the milk. I know by experience. Most home dairies do not put the expense

into properly feeding their girls just so the milk tastes perfect. It is

important to me so I am willing to pay the $54 for 50# of kelp, for example.

And if I fed it free choice like I am supposed to, my herd would go through

that in about a week. Get the idea how expensive it can be? Not too many are

inclined.

Marilyn with her 70+ goats (mostly kids) but who started this operation with

Star, a beautiful and gentle Jersey cow

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Joyce M. Simmerman

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> Hi Re cow's milk taste ... if the cows are eating dandelions ... it will

> taste like dandelion milk!! YUK! During the dandelion season I had a

> hard time using our own Jersey's milk. I got so sensitive to that taste

> that I could even taste it somewhat, although less, in the mixed milk

> sold at stores. But that was back in the 60's when even the bulk milk

> sales were more likely to be on pasture .. thus with the probability of

> dandelions. Cheers, Joyce Simmerman

>

>

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Thank you so much Marilyn for educating us on goat's milk! It certainly came as

a revelation to me! I am so eager to drink GOOD goat's milk since the stuff I

tasted was horrible. Now I have a MUCH better appreciation for goat's milk and

for those who raise them properly.

Sincerely,

Jane

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Oh, I have lots more trivia about goats if anyone wants to hear it. Of the

standard breeds, Nubian has the best tasting milk. Any of the mini breeds

have good tasting milk because of the Nigerian influence. But of course,

Nigerian Dwarf goat milk is the sweetest, creamiest milk a goat can make.

That milk wins prizes. So find out what breed you are sampling. Alpines are

runners up for goaty flavor, Lamachas are iffy. Saanens make delicious milk

but most are low in butterfat. I never had Oberhasli milk. Any goat can

produce good milk with proper milk handling and proper nutrition.

Marilyn

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Jane <mjr47@...> wrote:

> Thank you so much Marilyn for educating us on goat's milk! It certainly

> came as a revelation to me! I am so eager to drink GOOD goat's milk since

> the stuff I tasted was horrible. Now I have a MUCH better appreciation for

> goat's milk and for those who raise them properly.

>

> Sincerely,

> Jane

>

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Hi,

I'm no expert, but based on my personal experiences, I have to second this...

When I first tried raw goat milk, I had no idea what to expect. I was

pleasantly surprised to find it tasted just like milk except fresher and more

satisfying. It was very thirst-quenching! I loved it immediately.

A couple years later, when the farm stopped selling milk, I found another source

of raw goat milk, but the milk was not as good! That milk had a strong taste.

Those goats wandered around a steep, rocky property and I thought maybe it was

just something they were eating - some kind of weed or something. But the more

I talked to the owner, I found out she'd given them some kind of medicine

recently because a couple of them had infections.

If you have to make yourself get used to it, then please consider at least

trying a different source for comparison.

Sincerely,

in Tennessee

>

> No, no, no. You never have to get used to goat milk. You are getting very

> POOR QUALITY goat milk. And it ain't the goat's fault!! Find yourself some

> quality goat milk from a different farmer, please.

>

> Marilyn

>

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Marilyn,

I do not concur with your assessment. I'm sure you're correct about other

farmer's goat milk, but I got my milk kefir grains from you and DID taste a

goaty taste from my first couple of kefir batches. It wasn't bad, it actually

reminded me a little of feta cheese, which is usually made from goats' milk.

Again, it was not a bad taste, but was uniquely " GOAT " !

I just wanted to add that my milk kefir grains are performing beautifully! I

started being able to produce a pint a day to gallons a week! I have already

parted with several tablespoons of grains and still have enough to produce 5

gallons a week if I wanted to! I have to put them in the refrigerator a couple

of times a week just to slow them down so I don't run out of milk. I have to

draw the line at ordering 3 gallons of raw milk a week! Lol!

Thanks for healthy grains!

Shari

>

> Not hardly. What you need to do is try someone else's goat milk and see the

> difference. To even suggest that I would tolerate a bad flavor because I'm

> used to it!!?? Your one experience with goat milk causes you to believe good

> tasting goat milk does not exists. Well let me tell you...At our food co op

> we have milk tasting contests every year and we vote who brings the best

> milk. It is a blind contest with the name on the bottom of the glass. Of

> course all the goat milk is white and the cow milk is off white, and the

> yellow milk is from the guy that raises Guernsey's. So it isn't exactly a

> fool proof contest. There are cow people and goat people. No sheep milk

> entries yet. LOL. Most people who raise cows hate goat milk and rightly so

> because most of it is nasty. I also would not tolerate what you are

> drinking. It can't have even the ever so slightest hint of goatiness. But

> dogs like it. LOL. Last year the pygmy goat milk won the prize. Every cow

> person there had to admit it tasted better than anything they ever had. All

> the other goat milk there was goaty, very common because goat milk takes

> such special handling to make a good product and most goat owners are

> careless. And like you say, they get used to the taste. That's really too

> bad because it is not the goat's fault and gives goat milk a bad

reputation..........

>

>

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The raw milk I am buying comes from an oberhasli/alpine cross and it is

wonderful. Unlike the stuff I once bought at the store that should have been

labeled " -goat pee " not milk.

Hydie

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Good feta cheese is not goaty per se. When I say goaty I mean gross, earthy,

hold your nose, yucky. You said it wasn't bad so I don't think we are

talking about the same flavor.

Feta cheese is traditionally made from sheep milk or goat milk. Sheep milk

can also get that strong earthy flavor. I had contemplated milking sheep

before I got these little goats but I had no idea how I was going to control

the flavor of the milk. You can't give sheep much copper because it can kill

them. But it is what they need. It is a fine line that we don't know much

about. I give our sheep copper once in a while and haven't killed them yet!

Copper makes for healthy hooves and keeps the worms out of your animals.

Marilyn

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:31 PM, thetweetsmeow <thetweetsmeow@...>wrote:

> Marilyn,

>

> I do not concur with your assessment. I'm sure you're correct about other

> farmer's goat milk, but I got my milk kefir grains from you and DID taste a

> goaty taste from my first couple of kefir batches. It wasn't bad, it

> actually reminded me a little of feta cheese, which is usually made from

> goats' milk. Again, it was not a bad taste, but was uniquely " GOAT " !

>

> I just wanted to add that my milk kefir grains are performing beautifully!

> I started being able to produce a pint a day to gallons a week! I have

> already parted with several tablespoons of grains and still have enough to

> produce 5 gallons a week if I wanted to! I have to put them in the

> refrigerator a couple of times a week just to slow them down so I don't run

> out of milk. I have to draw the line at ordering 3 gallons of raw milk a

> week! Lol!

>

> Thanks for healthy grains!

>

> Shari

>

>

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Re copper, and excerpted from my book (Making Money With Goats 6th edition)

" ...animals with high-normal copper levels are up to 96% less infested by

Haemonchus contortus, the major killer of the roundworms. "

 

And btw the above study was done on lambs.

 

There is also some evidence that cobalt plays a major role in milk flavor.

 

Ellie

 

 

 

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> Marilyn,

>

> I do not concur with your assessment. I'm sure you're correct about other

> farmer's goat milk, but I got my milk kefir grains from you and DID taste a

> goaty taste from my first couple of kefir batches. It wasn't bad, it

> actually reminded me a little of feta cheese, which is usually made from

> goats' milk. Again, it was not a bad taste, but was uniquely " GOAT " !

>

> I just wanted to add that my milk kefir grains are performing beautifully!

> I started being able to produce a pint a day to gallons a week! I have

> already parted with several tablespoons of grains and still have enough to

> produce 5 gallons a week if I wanted to! I have to put them in the

> refrigerator a couple of times a week just to slow them down so I don't run

> out of milk. I have to draw the line at ordering 3 gallons of raw milk a

> week! Lol!

>

> Thanks for healthy grains!

>

> Shari

>

>

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What form is the copper in and how much do you give a goat or sheep?

andy careaga

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>From: Marilyn Kefirlady <marilynjarz@...>

>...I give our sheep copper once in a while and haven't killed them yet!

>

>Copper makes for healthy hooves and keeps the worms out of your animals.

>

>Marilyn

>

>

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From: Andres Careaga <arcare00@...>

Subject: Re: Re: goat milk revelation

" " < >

Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 2:07 PM

 

What form is the copper in and how much do you give a goat or sheep?

andy careaga

>________________________________

>From: Marilyn Kefirlady <marilynjarz@...>

>...I give our sheep copper once in a while and haven't killed them yet!

>

>Copper makes for healthy hooves and keeps the worms out of your animals.

>

>Marilyn

>

>

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