Guest guest Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 I don't have time to go into the copy/paste of refernces on it ... but if you wish you can take my word for it that all the research shows the mkg is much more packed with nutrients. Joyce Simmerman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 Dear Joyce and everyone else, Thank you for that. I have a follow-up question. What is the overlap? In other words, mkg obviously has stuff that the wkg does not have. But does the wkg have stuff that the mkg does not have? Could one get even more goodies doing wkg and mkg at the same time? > > I don't have time to go into the copy/paste of refernces on it ... but > if you wish you can take my word for it that all the research shows the > mkg is much more packed with nutrients. Joyce Simmerman > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 Hi , Have you ever gone to Dominic Antifeatros? (sp) sites. He has so much info that it is easy to get " lost " in it, BUT it is also a site where you can probably have every question one could conceive of answered .. and come back to it in 3 - 6 mos. as I often do, and wonder why I didn't see that before! At any rate, if you will go to this link for his " FAQs " I know he has composition charts in them for milk and water and kefiran AND follow links to his other sites where there are lots of recipes and instructions for making drinks for medicines out of the water kefir, I think he labels them " Kefir Aqua de Medici " or some such .. and lots of other hints on getting the most out of not only the kefirs but all other types of ferments including most of the popular asian ones, cheeses, vinegars, kombucha ... way too much to even describe right now. Oh, yes, regenerating toothpaste recipe and wood ash detergent (1 part clean wood ashes to 4=5 parts water, set for 24 hours, and use for everything.) (El-cheapo!) Enjoy ... Joyce Simmeramn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 Joyce, That would be Dom from Australia, the incredibly informative guy who can't seem to fulfill his kefir orders. I know him well. Perhaps there is more information there to be gleaned. and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy From: nativelegal@... Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 20:12:11 -0500 Subject: Re: wkg vs. mkg Hi , Have you ever gone to Dominic Antifeatros? (sp) sites. He has so much info that it is easy to get " lost " in it, BUT it is also a site where you can probably have every question one could conceive of answered .. and come back to it in 3 - 6 mos. as I often do, and wonder why I didn't see that before! At any rate, if you will go to this link for his " FAQs " I know he has composition charts in them for milk and water and kefiran AND follow links to his other sites where there are lots of recipes and instructions for making drinks for medicines out of the water kefir, I think he labels them " Kefir Aqua de Medici " or some such .. and lots of other hints on getting the most out of not only the kefirs but all other types of ferments including most of the popular asian ones, cheeses, vinegars, kombucha ... way too much to even describe right now. Oh, yes, regenerating toothpaste recipe and wood ash detergent (1 part clean wood ashes to 4=5 parts water, set for 24 hours, and use for everything.) (El-cheapo!) Enjoy ... Joyce Simmeramn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Hi , You said " Perhaps there is more information there to be gleaned " . I would say that if you've already gleaned it " all " ... you are not just a better " man " than I am .. but your memory would have to be cooking along at a much more efficient clip than mine!! I find " new " stuff all the time!! (But my " memory " has never been anything to write home about!) Or perhaps I should put it this way .. My " reticular filtering system " (that filters all the incoming senses so we don't get overwhelmed, (ADHA type overwhelmed), and which allows extreme focus so when we do, all the extraneous noises, are shut out of the " conscious " recognition, (e.g., being able to just say, " uh, huh " or some such to kids begging for attention, spouses etc.), mine can filter " out " so good that some mighty important " facts " don't get registered on the memory bank .. like a smudge fire in the basement of the house getting out of control whilst I read a book .. to find out it had blackened everything with soot. (It was to keep extreme cold from freezing pipes)! My husband of the time had come in to find me engrossed in a book with the book almost to my nose to see it through the smudge soot, my face, hair, etc. all sooty, all the walls, furniture, etc.! Sigh! That is an efficient reticular filtering system OR awfully poor one, depending on how one chooses to see it. The point is ... when I skim materials for what I want or need to see at the time, allows me to skip over some other very important info. Good or bad?? Depends on the need I guess for quick info or details. Cheers, Joyce Simmerman On 5/24/2011 8:27 PM, ROGER BIRD wrote: > Joyce, > > That would be Dom from Australia, the incredibly informative guy who can't seem to fulfill his kefir orders. > > I know him well. Perhaps there is more information there to be gleaned. > > > > and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy > > > > > > From: nativelegal@... > Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 20:12:11 -0500 > Subject: Re: wkg vs. mkg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi , Have you ever gone to Dominic Antifeatros? (sp) sites. He > > has so much info that it is easy to get " lost " in it, BUT it is also a > > site where you can probably have every question one could conceive of > > answered .. and come back to it in 3 - 6 mos. as I often do, and wonder > > why I didn't see that before! > > > > At any rate, if you will go to this link for his " FAQs " I know he has > > composition charts in them for milk and water and kefiran AND follow > > links to his other sites where there are lots of recipes and > > instructions for making drinks for medicines out of the water kefir, I > > think he labels them " Kefir Aqua de Medici " or some such .. and lots of > > other hints on getting the most out of not only the kefirs but all other > > types of ferments including most of the popular asian ones, cheeses, > > vinegars, kombucha ... way too much to even describe right now. Oh, > > yes, regenerating toothpaste recipe and wood ash detergent (1 part clean > > wood ashes to 4=5 parts water, set for 24 hours, and use for > > everything.) (El-cheapo!) > > > > Enjoy ... Joyce Simmeramn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 My last request for info resulted in a lack of a response that answered my request, however, I took it in stride knowing it wasn & #39;t a live or death situation for my grain or the product they product. Sometime in the future, someone will blog a statement to the group that will satisfy my curiosity. Kefir has become a part of my life and enjoy the many variation that kefir can be used and the consistencies of the product. Vernon ________________________________ From: Joyce M. Simmerman & lt;nativelegal@... & gt; Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:57 AM Subject: Re: Re: wkg vs. mkg  Hi , You said & quot;Perhaps there is more information there to be gleaned & quot;. I would say that if you & #39;ve already gleaned it & quot;all & quot; ... you are not just a better & quot;man & quot; than I am .. but your memory would have to be cooking along at a much more efficient clip than mine!! I find & quot;new & quot; stuff all the time!! (But my & quot;memory & quot; has never been anything to write home about!) Or perhaps I should put it this way .. My & quot;reticular filtering system & quot; (that filters all the incoming senses so we don & #39;t get overwhelmed, (ADHA type overwhelmed), and which allows extreme focus so when we do, all the extraneous noises, are shut out of the & quot;conscious & quot; recognition, (e.g., being able to just say, & quot;uh, huh & quot; or some such to kids begging for attention, spouses etc.), mine can filter & quot;out & quot; so good that some mighty important & quot;facts & quot; don & #39;t get registered on the memory bank .. like a smudge fire in the basement of the house getting out of control whilst I read a book .. to find out it had blackened everything with soot. (It was to keep extreme cold from freezing pipes)! My husband of the time had come in to find me engrossed in a book with the book almost to my nose to see it through the smudge soot, my face, hair, etc. all sooty, all the walls, furniture, etc.! Sigh! That is an efficient reticular filtering system OR awfully poor one, depending on how one chooses to see it. The point is ... when I skim materials for what I want or need to see at the time, allows me to skip over some other very important info. Good or bad?? Depends on the need I guess for quick info or details. Cheers, Joyce Simmerman On 5/24/2011 8:27 PM, ROGER BIRD wrote: & gt; Joyce, & gt; & gt; That would be Dom from Australia, the incredibly informative guy who can & #39;t seem to fulfill his kefir orders. & gt; & gt; I know him well. Perhaps there is more information there to be gleaned. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; and Katrina Bird & #39;s Incredibly Lucky Daddy & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; From: nativelegal@... & gt; Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 20:12:11 -0500 & gt; Subject: Re: wkg vs. mkg & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Hi , Have you ever gone to Dominic Antifeatros? (sp) sites. He & gt; & gt; has so much info that it is easy to get & quot;lost & quot; in it, BUT it is also a & gt; & gt; site where you can probably have every question one could conceive of & gt; & gt; answered .. and come back to it in 3 - 6 mos. as I often do, and wonder & gt; & gt; why I didn & #39;t see that before! & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; At any rate, if you will go to this link for his & quot;FAQs & quot; I know he has & gt; & gt; composition charts in them for milk and water and kefiran AND follow & gt; & gt; links to his other sites where there are lots of recipes and & gt; & gt; instructions for making drinks for medicines out of the water kefir, I & gt; & gt; think he labels them & quot;Kefir Aqua de Medici & quot; or some such .. and lots of & gt; & gt; other hints on getting the most out of not only the kefirs but all other & gt; & gt; types of ferments including most of the popular asian ones, cheeses, & gt; & gt; vinegars, kombucha ... way too much to even describe right now. Oh, & gt; & gt; yes, regenerating toothpaste recipe and wood ash detergent (1 part clean & gt; & gt; wood ashes to 4=5 parts water, set for 24 hours, and use for & gt; & gt; everything.) (El-cheapo!) & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Enjoy ... Joyce Simmeramn & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 In reply to you , I find the mkg is more user friendly as it were, and there are tons of studies showing the mkg has more probiotics in more abundance than wkg. I had to relent and admit I am a huge fan of mkg and not so much the wkg. With the WKG I have to strain, then augment with more sweet stuff add some other juice and bottle for the second ferment in order to drink it. I just strain my mkg and can drink it on the spot if the need is there. I suspect that culturing the mkg in the fridge will diminish the probiotics since they do like room temperature to culture, and their full potential is realized. I still keep a jar in the fridge, since I am again over run with grains. The jar in the fridge is kefir, no doubt, but I want the full punch of the probiotics in it, so use my fridge kefir for the dogs and cats and the counter kefir for the family. Happy culturing! Karin > > > So, my darling Kefir Krowd, > > What is the advantages and the disadvantages between water kefir grains and milk kefir grains? > > And please include any ideas about which is more robust, as far as staying alive and thriving. > > > > and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 Vernon, There is a wealth of info at Dom's website. I have found the same info elsewhere, however it is scattered at best. I have put links to each page concerning composition of the grains. While you are there, you can read more about kefir and perhaps you will find answers to all of your questions. Dom is a colorful kefir guru who seems to have a lot of knowledge about the subject. I hope this helps you. Milk Kefir info: http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html#composition-of-KG Water Kefir info: http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html#alternativekefir Carol Onefreespirit > & gt; Joyce, > & gt; > & gt; That would be Dom from Australia, the incredibly informative guy who can & #39;t seem to fulfill his kefir orders. > & gt; > & gt; I know him well. Perhaps there is more information there to be gleaned. > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; and Katrina Bird & #39;s Incredibly Lucky Daddy > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; From: nativelegal@... > & gt; Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 20:12:11 -0500 > & gt; Subject: Re: wkg vs. mkg > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; Hi , Have you ever gone to Dominic Antifeatros? (sp) sites. He > & gt; > & gt; has so much info that it is easy to get & quot;lost & quot; in it, BUT it is also a > & gt; > & gt; site where you can probably have every question one could conceive of > & gt; > & gt; answered .. and come back to it in 3 - 6 mos. as I often do, and wonder > & gt; > & gt; why I didn & #39;t see that before! > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; At any rate, if you will go to this link for his & quot;FAQs & quot; I know he has > & gt; > & gt; composition charts in them for milk and water and kefiran AND follow > & gt; > & gt; links to his other sites where there are lots of recipes and > & gt; > & gt; instructions for making drinks for medicines out of the water kefir, I > & gt; > & gt; think he labels them & quot;Kefir Aqua de Medici & quot; or some such .. and lots of > & gt; > & gt; other hints on getting the most out of not only the kefirs but all other > & gt; > & gt; types of ferments including most of the popular asian ones, cheeses, > & gt; > & gt; vinegars, kombucha ... way too much to even describe right now. Oh, > & gt; > & gt; yes, regenerating toothpaste recipe and wood ash detergent (1 part clean > & gt; > & gt; wood ashes to 4=5 parts water, set for 24 hours, and use for > & gt; > & gt; everything.) (El-cheapo!) > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; Enjoy ... Joyce Simmeramn > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; > & gt; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 Here is a good site that compares milk kefir with water kefir. http://www.culturesforhealth.com/expert-advice/Compare-Milk-Kefir-Versus-Water-K\ efir.html It fails to mention that one could, say, put some blended raspberries in the 24 hour brewed water kefir after taking out the kefir grains, and then let it brew for another 24 hours, thus brewing the raspberries right into the brew, not just mixing them together. and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 , Re-read what I said in the posting where I suggested the water kefir to you. That is exactly what I suggested that you do. I add the fruit to the second 24 hour brewing. This way I do not contaminate my grains with various fruit flavors or stain them with color and because there are still free floating kefir critters in the kefir who continue to use some of the fruit sugars up in the process. Carol Onefreespirit > > > Here is a good site that compares milk kefir with water kefir. > > http://www.culturesforhealth.com/expert-advice/Compare-Milk-Kefir-Versus-Water-K\ efir.html > > It fails to mention that one could, say, put some blended raspberries in the 24 hour brewed water kefir after taking out the kefir grains, and then let it brew for another 24 hours, thus brewing the raspberries right into the brew, not just mixing them together. > > > > and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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