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Guest guest Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 One of the reasons I was excited about kefir to begin with was that I was hoping that I would be getting something for nothing, financially speaking. I have been recording my milk purchases this week. In 5 days, I have bought 4.5 gallons of milk, been given .5 gallons of goat milk, and I still have a complete gallon in the frig. This means that I have used roughly 4 gallons in 5 days. Of course, I will have to run this count for several weeks to get a better measure. Also, not drinking the " whey " sort of makes it look like a lot more than it would be if I drank the whey. But the whey is kind of hard to take, and without it the taste is just great. My boy and I drink it with blueberries and stevia. That is really good. So, non-organic pasteurized milk at the store is like $3.16 per gallon or so; it varies a lot. Organic pasteurized milk is $4.60 to $5.20 per gallon. Raw goat milk directly from LilBit Farms is $9.20. And raw cow milk directly from Larga Vista Ranch is $10.11 per gallon. So, for me, per week, I would be paying $17.70 for regular milk, about $27.44 for organic milk, $51.51 for goat milk, and $56.62 for cow milk. Am I the only one being shocked by this? This would be, per month, $99.12, $153.66, $288.46, and $317.07, respectively. Although there is no chance that I am going to stop doing kefir. What I will probably do is do a combination of regular pasteurized and one of the raw milks. From what I have heard, the organic label is pretty much bogus. The so-called organic farmers cut every corner that they can so long as they meet the letter of the law. Any ideas that any of you have are very welcome. Sincerely Bird and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 I have practically the same costs. Are you separating the kefir, taking the whey out? Use the kefir in place of buttermilk in baked goods. I don't know what nutritional benefits of the kefir would remain, but it makes a good product. The whey may help the end result and nutritional value of other baked goods if added in place of water. Liz > > > One of the reasons I was excited about kefir to begin with was that I was hoping that I would be getting something for nothing, financially speaking. I have been recording my milk purchases this week. In 5 days, I have bought 4.5 gallons of milk, been given .5 gallons of goat milk, and I still have a complete gallon in the frig. This means that I have used roughly 4 gallons in 5 days. > > Of course, I will have to run this count for several weeks to get a better measure. Also, not drinking the " whey " sort of makes it look like a lot more than it would be if I drank the whey. But the whey is kind of hard to take, and without it the taste is just great. My boy and I drink it with blueberries and stevia. That is really good. > > So, non-organic pasteurized milk at the store is like $3.16 per gallon or so; it varies a lot. Organic pasteurized milk is $4.60 to $5.20 per gallon. Raw goat milk directly from LilBit Farms is $9.20. And raw cow milk directly from Larga Vista Ranch is $10.11 per gallon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 I'm definitely interested in hearing anyone's input on this. I am using non-organic pasteurized skim milk right now. I would love to make it with raw milk, but it is completely out of my price category. I got my grains from Marilyn, so I felt kind of sad taking grains that were grown in good, nutritious raw goat milk and then, putting them into pasteurized skim milk. I work with teenage boys with conduct disorders that are in residential treatment, and I absolutely love what I do...won't be any career changes any time soon, and the pay isn't exactly the greatest, so my income will be remaining the same for quite some time (though I do have a couple of side jobs doing research, so I do fine). Over half of the 10 boys that I work with have digestive issues, and I will be occasionally making kefir with them during a weekly cooking group that I run to teach them how to make it. I wish I could afford to bring in a gallon of it each day to let them drink it. I'm going to be teaching them how to sprout lentils next week. > > > One of the reasons I was excited about kefir to begin with was that I was hoping that I would be getting something for nothing, financially speaking. I have been recording my milk purchases this week. In 5 days, I have bought 4.5 gallons of milk, been given .5 gallons of goat milk, and I still have a complete gallon in the frig. This means that I have used roughly 4 gallons in 5 days. > > Of course, I will have to run this count for several weeks to get a better measure. Also, not drinking the " whey " sort of makes it look like a lot more than it would be if I drank the whey. But the whey is kind of hard to take, and without it the taste is just great. My boy and I drink it with blueberries and stevia. That is really good. > > So, non-organic pasteurized milk at the store is like $3.16 per gallon or so; it varies a lot. Organic pasteurized milk is $4.60 to $5.20 per gallon. Raw goat milk directly from LilBit Farms is $9.20. And raw cow milk directly from Larga Vista Ranch is $10.11 per gallon. > > So, for me, per week, I would be paying $17.70 for regular milk, about $27.44 for organic milk, $51.51 for goat milk, and $56.62 for cow milk. Am I the only one being shocked by this? This would be, per month, $99.12, $153.66, $288.46, and $317.07, respectively. Although there is no chance that I am going to stop doing kefir. > > What I will probably do is do a combination of regular pasteurized and one of the raw milks. From what I have heard, the organic label is pretty much bogus. The so-called organic farmers cut every corner that they can so long as they meet the letter of the law. > > Any ideas that any of you have are very welcome. > > Sincerely > > Bird > > and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 , You get what you pay for in a sense. Sadly, regular dairy is subsidized so you are paying for milk that you don't drink or use. Then regular milk is also produced on a factory style whrereas raw dairy is hormone free and grass/hay produced (depending on season). There is a huge difference in nutrition and being hormone free for raw milk. The farmers of raw milk work hard to put out a product that costs them a lot because they don't do it factory style but instead have pastures and buy hay for winter months. I grew up on a farm and having a milk cow is not cheap, to produce milk to sell is major work and costly too. IF you knew how much of your tax money went to subsidizing dairy, you would probably feel you are getting a good deal on raw milk. One thing for sure, your money is spent on what you consume with raw milk instead of buying it for someone else on subsidizing programs. AND it is hormone-free and full of nutrients that some naturally from eating a proper cow diet of grass and hay. Alice One of the reasons I was excited about kefir to begin with was that I was hoping that I would be getting something for nothing, financially speaking. I have been recording my milk purchases this week. In 5 days, I have bought 4.5 gallons of milk, been given .5 gallons of goat milk, and I still have a complete gallon in the frig. This means that I have used roughly 4 gallons in 5 days. Of course, I will have to run this count for several weeks to get a better measure. Also, not drinking the " whey " sort of makes it look like a lot more than it would be if I drank the whey. But the whey is kind of hard to take, and without it the taste is just great. My boy and I drink it with blueberries and stevia. That is really good. So, non-organic pasteurized milk at the store is like $3.16 per gallon or so; it varies a lot. Organic pasteurized milk is $4.60 to $5.20 per gallon. Raw goat milk directly from LilBit Farms is $9.20. And raw cow milk directly from Larga Vista Ranch is $10.11 per gallon. So, for me, per week, I would be paying $17.70 for regular milk, about $27.44 for organic milk, $51.51 for goat milk, and $56.62 for cow milk. Am I the only one being shocked by this? This would be, per month, $99.12, $153.66, $288.46, and $317.07, respectively. Although there is no chance that I am going to stop doing kefir. What I will probably do is do a combination of regular pasteurized and one of the raw milks. From what I have heard, the organic label is pretty much bogus. The so-called organic farmers cut every corner that they can so long as they meet the letter of the law. Any ideas that any of you have are very welcome. Sincerely Bird and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 , Why would you possibly be using SKIM milk? You want the fat in the milk so the body can absorb the fat soluble vitamins like A & D. Also, it tastes so much better when you use whole milk. If you want to make a change in their bodies start using the least processed milk, if you can't afford the organic, at least purchase whole milk Bonnie http://www.bonniesherbals.com " creating wellness with herbs and water " From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 10:38 PM Subject: Re: cost I'm definitely interested in hearing anyone's input on this. I am using non-organic pasteurized skim milk right now. I would love to make it with raw milk, but it is completely out of my price category. I got my grains from Marilyn, so I felt kind of sad taking grains that were grown in good, nutritious raw goat milk and then, putting them into pasteurized skim milk. I work with teenage boys with conduct disorders that are in residential treatment, and I absolutely love what I do...won't be any career changes any time soon, and the pay isn't exactly the greatest, so my income will be remaining the same for quite some time (though I do have a couple of side jobs doing research, so I do fine). Over half of the 10 boys that I work with have digestive issues, and I will be occasionally making kefir with them during a weekly cooking group that I run to teach them how to make it. I wish I could afford to bring in a gallon of it each day to let them drink it. I'm going to be teaching them how to sprout lentils next week. > > > One of the reasons I was excited about kefir to begin with was that I was hoping that I would be getting something for nothing, financially speaking. I have been recording my milk purchases this week. In 5 days, I have bought 4.5 gallons of milk, been given .5 gallons of goat milk, and I still have a complete gallon in the frig. This means that I have used roughly 4 gallons in 5 days. > > Of course, I will have to run this count for several weeks to get a better measure. Also, not drinking the " whey " sort of makes it look like a lot more than it would be if I drank the whey. But the whey is kind of hard to take, and without it the taste is just great. My boy and I drink it with blueberries and stevia. That is really good. > > So, non-organic pasteurized milk at the store is like $3.16 per gallon or so; it varies a lot. Organic pasteurized milk is $4.60 to $5.20 per gallon. Raw goat milk directly from LilBit Farms is $9.20. And raw cow milk directly from Larga Vista Ranch is $10.11 per gallon. > > So, for me, per week, I would be paying $17.70 for regular milk, about $27.44 for organic milk, $51.51 for goat milk, and $56.62 for cow milk. Am I the only one being shocked by this? This would be, per month, $99.12, $153.66, $288.46, and $317.07, respectively. Although there is no chance that I am going to stop doing kefir. > > What I will probably do is do a combination of regular pasteurized and one of the raw milks. From what I have heard, the organic label is pretty much bogus. The so-called organic farmers cut every corner that they can so long as they meet the letter of the law. > > Any ideas that any of you have are very welcome. > > Sincerely > > Bird > > and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 ....... Consider in the cost of your health (or lack of it.....). Pasteurization has been linked to autism and cancer.... among other thing. Homogenization has been linked to higher levels of obesity, cholesterol, diabetes and so forth. Skim milk is filled with dried milk which is full of oxidized cholesterol..... Which is even worse for you! ( http://en.allexperts.com/q/Food-Safety-Issues-767/2008/4/powdered-milk-cholester\ ol.htm ) > > I'm definitely interested in hearing anyone's input on this. I am using non-organic pasteurized skim milk right now. I would love to make it with raw milk, but it is completely out of my price category. > As to the digestive problems...... Non homogenized milk is often easier to digest. The breaking up of the fat cells " mutates " them into something that is harder to digest (thus the problems noted above!). Goat milk is naturally easier to digest than cows milk due to the smaller fat cells. Also..... if Lactose intolerance is the problem..... raw milk is usually easier to consume and digest because the act of pasteurizing the milk turns the lactase into lactose. <G> > Over half of the 10 boys that I work with have digestive issues, and I will be occasionally making kefir with them during a weekly cooking group that I run to teach them how to make it. I wish I could afford to bring in a gallon of it each day to let them drink it. I'm going to be teaching them how to sprout lentils next week. > Tami/TX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 .. I'm putting a couple links in here which tie nutrition to behaviors and insomnia .. one by one of the more knowledgeable docs in my opinion, Dr. Blaylock, Neurosurgeon .. video, easy to watch but lot of info: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNGwMXElkDA & feature=share The other is: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=circadian-clock-disruption-mani\ a I don't recall if either of them specifically mention kefir's effect but there are plenty which do. I just happened to have those 2 halfway at hand. Best to you working with the teens ... you NEED it!! Joyce Simmerman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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