Guest guest Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 Kathy,If you are going to be near Santa , the Santa Co-op http://www.coopportunity.com/ carries raw milk from Organic Pastures and Claravale Dairy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 Hi here is where I found a place for raw milk that is the closes to me I found so far Organic Pastures Dairy Company 7221 South on Avenue Fresno, California 93706 Sorry I did not get a chance to call you, I wil try to call you Monday Vickie On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Kathy-jo <kaje62@...>wrote: > > > I live in Minneapolis. I am coming to LA on Friday and am there for 2 > weeks. I will be very sad to be without raw milk. Can you help me > secure some? > > I also could use new kefir grains. I am looking for the very large > klump that you do not have to strain. > > I also have to trade > > a kombucha scoby > > -- > Kathy-jo > c. 612.386.4240 > > -- Carol Abel-Simpson Highways International Ministries The Joy of the Lord is Your (My) Strength Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Raw milk farmers have to pass so many tests and requirements before they're allowed to sell raw milk. I would personally rather drink raw milk over store bought milk knowing that it is regulated much more so. Also, the fact that store bought milk is just not as good for you ;-) Everything good has been killed or destroyed before it reaches your table. On Jun 15, 2011 1:33 PM, " " <beaner892000@...> wrote: > So, I've been making kefir for a while now, and I absolutely love it. I finally got my boyfriend to start drinking it, and he is starting to like it as well, though he is making smoothies with his...I just drink it straight. > > I've been researching ways that I could get raw milk to use to make kefir. I live in the city of Chicago, so it's not like farms are in abundance right where I live. However, I did find some places out in the suburbs. I don't think I can afford to switch completely to raw milk. > > So, here are a few questions. > > First, is it ok for my kefir grains if I switch back and forth between raw cow milk and pasteurized cow milk on a regular basis? What if one time is raw and one time is pasteurized and so on...would that be bad to alternate back and forth? > > Secondly, does anyone know about guernsey cow milk? According to the site of a farm I found that is relatively near me, it is higher in nutrients. I can't afford raw goat milk, which is what I was hoping to get, at any farms in my area. Is guernsey cow milk pretty good? > > Lastly, I'm a bit concerned about the risks described in drinking raw milk. But, I am also skeptical. I understand how cows and goats can come down with horrible illnesses when they are on huge, industrialized farms with tons of animals and not very sanitary conditions. But, for a small family farm that is secluded from other farms, is there much of a chance that they would carry e.coli or something? I am trying to get pregnant. Should I stay away from raw milk in case I do become pregnant until after I am no longer pregnant? And what about while I'm breast feeding? Or, assuming this small family farm is sanitary and uses proper practices, would it be safe? Are the outbreaks reported to come from raw milk more from people buying it from huge, dirty farms? Does anyone know? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Dear , I want to add a few comments to what Marilyn made: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 3:00 AM, <beaner892000@...> wrote: > Lastly, I'm a bit concerned about the risks described in drinking raw milk. > But, I am also skeptical. I understand how cows and goats can come down with > horrible illnesses when they are on huge, industrialized farms with tons of > animals and not very sanitary conditions. Most but not all of the risks of drinking raw milk are in the imaginations of those promoting the interests of Big Dairy. You are 15 times more likely to get food borne illness from salami than from raw milk, on a per serving basis. It is true that raw milk is a rich growing culture for micro-bugs. That is why we handle it so carefully, but that is also why it is so valuable for our health. > But, for a small family farm that is secluded from other farms, is there > much of a chance that they would carry e.coli or something? It is all about the farm, the farmer, and the attitudes of those working the cows or goats. If the farmer has a unique and sweet name for each animal, that is a good sign, although that could easily be faked and there are some sweet-hearted people who are irresponsible. If the farmer mentions the word " bio-dynamic " , then you are probably home free. Does the farmer appear to love the animals? Does that farmer have sanitary production standards, ideas, equipment, etc. etc. etc? Is the farmer both an idealist and a down-to-earth hard worker. Our dairy farmer at Larga Vista east of Pueblo, Colorado had hands so rough that I think that he may hold the world record for roughness of hands. Bottles of hand lotion chase this guy around the pastures. Yet his wife is telling me about the merits of local food sources and bio-dynamic farming and keeping the horns on the cow to foster the inflow of cosmic energy into the cow. And they talked to us and showed us the sanitary measures and equipment that they use for extracting and storing their cow's milk. > I am trying to get pregnant. Should I stay away from raw milk in case I do > become pregnant until after I am no longer pregnant? What Marilyn may be saying is that for 210 million years, mammals have been perfecting raw milk for their babies. And then we start to cook the milk to get the bad guys out. Trying to improve on 210 million years of God's benevolent evolution seems kind of arrogant to me. > Are the outbreaks reported to come from raw milk more from people buying it > from huge, dirty farms? Does anyone know? There aren't any outbreaks. There may be a few dubious cases of raw milk borne diseases. The " outbreaks " are like the recent lettuce e.coli deaths in Europe, but I notice that no one is suggesting that we should ban lettuce. The cases of raw milk borne diseases are extremely rare and debatable. Sincerely, Bird, 40 years as a health hobbyist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Thank you for the comments, everyone. They were very helpful and have put my mind at ease. I'm excited that I found a place that I can start getting raw milk from! > > > > > > Lastly, I'm a bit concerned about the risks described in drinking raw milk. > > > But, I am also skeptical. I understand how cows and goats can come down with > > > horrible illnesses when they are on huge, industrialized farms with tons of > > > animals and not very sanitary conditions. > > > Most but not all of the risks of drinking raw milk are in the imaginations of those promoting the interests of Big Dairy. You are 15 times more likely to get food borne illness from salami than from raw milk, on a per serving basis. It is true that raw milk is a rich growing culture for micro-bugs. That is why we handle it so carefully, but that is also why it is so valuable for our health. > > > But, for a small family farm that is secluded from other farms, is there > > > much of a chance that they would carry e.coli or something? > > > > It is all about the farm, the farmer, and the attitudes of those working the cows or goats. If the farmer has a unique and sweet name for each animal, that is a good sign, although that could easily be faked and there are some sweet-hearted people who are irresponsible. If the farmer mentions the word " bio-dynamic " , then you are probably home free. Does the farmer appear to love the animals? Does that farmer have sanitary production standards, ideas, equipment, etc. etc. etc? Is the farmer both an idealist and a down-to-earth hard worker. Our dairy farmer at Larga Vista east of Pueblo, Colorado had hands so rough that I think that he may hold the world record for roughness of hands. Bottles of hand lotion chase this guy around the pastures. Yet his wife is telling me about the merits of local food sources and bio-dynamic farming and keeping the horns on the cow to foster the inflow of cosmic energy into the cow. And they talked to us and showed us the sanitary measures and equipment that they use for extracting and storing their cow's milk. > > > > > I am trying to get pregnant. Should I stay away from raw milk in case I do > > > become pregnant until after I am no longer pregnant? > > > What Marilyn may be saying is that for 210 million years, mammals have been perfecting raw milk for their babies. And then we start to cook the milk to get the bad guys out. Trying to improve on 210 million years of God's benevolent evolution seems kind of arrogant to me. > > > > > Are the outbreaks reported to come from raw milk more from people buying it > > > from huge, dirty farms? Does anyone know? > There aren't any outbreaks. There may be a few dubious cases of raw milk borne diseases. The " outbreaks " are like the recent lettuce e.coli deaths in Europe, but I notice that no one is suggesting that we should ban lettuce. The cases of raw milk borne diseases are extremely rare and debatable. > > > Sincerely, > > Bird, 40 years as a health hobbyist > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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