Guest guest Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 Hello, I just purhased water kefir grains and they are in the mail to me. I want to be preparied to start making the water kefir when htey get here. I have seen so many lists of ingredients and am confused as to what it takes to make the kefir. Can anyone help let me know how to start my first batch? Thank you amyjo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Hi Amy Jo, You are correct in saying there are so many ways to make water kefir out there and they are all, for the most part, correct. Sorry that this posting is a bit long, but I hope it will give you enough info to encourage you to do some experimentation to familiarize yourself with kefir so you can see it is easy enough to be part of your daily life. I learned most of it from researching kefir on the net and reading books along with trial and error experimentation. I am by no means an expert on this subject, but wish to share with you a condensed version of what I have learned so far. All you have to remember is that in order to keep the grains healthy they need three things: sugar, non-chlorinated water with decent mineral content and a place to brew out of direct sunlight at a temp of around 68-70 degrees. I use a double brewing method where you brew only sugar water with the grains for the first 24 hours and then once you remove the grains brew again for 24 hours. I add various flavoring during the second 24 hour brewing so I can make different flavors as to not get tired of the same old thing and so I do not stain or taint the grains with those flavorings. I use fresh fruit such as strawberries, blueberries, mango, peaches, lemon, lime, watermelon, etc . . . or combos of them. I cut most of them to bite size or puree them except the lemons, limes and oranges which I slice thinly. They add flavor, look nice in the drink and I like to eat them as an added treat. I have added ginger (a favorite) and herbs as well, but just make sure they do not have anti-bacterial qualities as some do or you will weaken the probiotic benefit. Let me address a few things about what sugar and water to use. Stevia will not feed your grains and they will starve. You have to use sugar in some form (regular unprocessed, sucanat, turbinado, etc . . .) Do not worry too much about a high sugar intake as most (not all) is consumed by the kefir grains for nutrition. If you want to use Stevia you can add it in the second brewing in addition to the sugar, but wait and taste it first as I am sure it will be sweet enough for most people's palates with using just the sugar. I would also avoid honey because it has mild anti-bacterial properties, but you can add a little for flavoring once you remove the grains and right before you drink it as not to weaken them (remember they are a colony of bacteria and yeasts) and so you do not reduce the value of the probiotic benefits too much. I personally avoid using honey with the kefir as I like to achieve optimum benefits from it so I reserve the honey for other foods as I too love the flavor. Fresh spring water is ideal and a lot of public springs give you free access. All you have to do to find one is to do a search on the web for public springs in your area. Bottled spring water is fine, but make sure it has not been filtered. The downside of using bottled water besides for paying for it is that you have to deal with going to the store and disposing of the empty bottles. Also, you have no idea of the mineral content and if it is packaged in plastic bottles bear in mind that eventually the plastic will leach some component into the water. So unless, you have really " bad " water at home, I would pass on it. I personally avoid it unless I am away from home and run out of what I bring with me and it has to be in a glass bottle. Yes, I have become a true " plastic-phobic. " You can use tap water, but it must be free of chlorine (which most cities use in some form in their purification process) so boil it first to remove the chlorine (it will change the chlorine into a gas form and it will then leave the water), but let it cool before you use it so not to harm the kefir critters. If you have RO filtered water it has lost most of the minerals due the micro-filtration process so you will need to add the minerals back if you want to use it. I personally use plain old organic unprocessed sugar and my tap water which is well water that has been softened. You will need to experiment a bit until you come up with a recipe(s) that suit your tastes. As long as your kefir critters are well fed you have room to change the recipes a bit. While I use both milk and water kefir, the nice thing about water kefir is that you can contiue to feed your grains and if you make too much or make a not so good tasting recipe you can dump it and only loose the cost of a little bit of sugar. I found some recipes using the browner sugars or molasses to be too sweet for me because I do not use sugar added to my food and my palate has become sensitive to that flavor. I only use 5 teaspoons of sugar (instead of the 1/4 cup recommended by most recipes) which I mix into a quart ball/mason jar filled about 3/4 full with water. I have managed to keep my grains strong and happy with this amount of sugar. You will know they are happy as they will multiply continually and increase in size a bit when they are doing well. I am not sure about erithritol (which I use for baking) or xlitol (both fruit alcohol sugars that do not affect your insulin levels in the blood) as I cannot find info on them as far as using them to nurture kefir grains so until I do I avoid them. I do not even consider Splenda or other artificial sweeteners as they are not sugar, have no significant food value and I look at them as chemical substances to avoid. Once I remove the grains I add fruit, ginger or fruit juice to flavor the kefir and let it brew for another 24 hours. Kefir does not last long around our house (each batch is gone before the day's end) and we like it chilled so we refrigerate it once it is done brewing. It will continue to brew even in the fridge as you still have free floating kefir critters in it even though you have removed the grains (colonies of kefir critters) so refrigeration will slow the continual fermentation process down a bit. If you do not consume it fast enough, it will eventually get a bit of alcohol in it and the taste will change as well. Make sure while you brew with a lid you leave about an inch or two of air space to allow room for the gases to expand. Gases are a bi-product of the process. This will retain the pop-like fizz in your kefir. If you like a little less fizz you can use a loose lid to allow for it to burp the gasses out or for no fizz you can use a coffee filter secured with a rubber band allowing all of the gases to escape. I like just a little fizz so during the first brewing I use a loose lid to keep out uninvited " guests " while keeping some of the gases in and then on the second brewing without the grains, I put the lid on a bit tighter to promote a gentle pop-like fizz and still allow for the burp. With this method I have never had a jar burst, but I have read it is possible so I leave the room in the jar as a precaution. So with abundant amount of info you know how you can adjust the water kefir to suite your palate by the altering the recipe you use and the time you brew. Have fun and experiment until you come up with your own favorite recipes. Enjoy. Carol Onefreespirit > > Hello, > I just purhased water kefir grains and they are in the mail to me. I want to be preparied to start making the water kefir when htey get here. I have seen so many lists of ingredients and am confused as to what it takes to make the kefir. Can anyone help let me know how to start my first batch? > Thank you > amyjo > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Hi Carol Onefreespirit Thanks for all the information. I am just getting started on the second ferment part as I have not done that before. So your knowledge really helped me. One question though, you said: " I only use 5 teaspoons of sugar (instead of the 1/4 cup recommended by most recipes) which I mix into a quart ball/mason jar filled about 3/4 full with water " . My question: What is the amount of Kefir grains you use? This is the part that confuses me some. I like to increase the jar size to a gallon and wonder if one just multiplies the kefir grain amount by 4 (4 times for 4 quarts in a gallon). Does this sound right? How much kefir grain would you use in a gallon jar and would you use 20 teaspoons of sugar too? Alice Hi Amy Jo, You are correct in saying there are so many ways to make water kefir out there and they are all, for the most part, correct. Sorry that this posting is a bit long, but I hope it will give you enough info to encourage you to do some experimentation to familiarize yourself with kefir so you can see it is easy enough to be part of your daily life. I learned most of it from researching kefir on the net and reading books along with trial and error experimentation. I am by no means an expert on this subject, but wish to share with you a condensed version of what I have learned so far. All you have to remember is that in order to keep the grains healthy they need three things: sugar, non-chlorinated water with decent mineral content and a place to brew out of direct sunlight at a temp of around 68-70 degrees. I use a double brewing method where you brew only sugar water with the grains for the first 24 hours and then once you remove the grains brew again for 24 hours. I add various flavoring during the second 24 I personally use plain old organic unprocessed sugar and my tap water which is well water that has been softened. You will need to experiment a bit until you come up with a recipe(s) that suit your tastes. As long as your kefir critters are well fed you have room to change the recipes a bit. While I use both milk and water kefir, the nice thing about water kefir is that you can contiue to feed your grains and if you make too much or make a not so good tasting recipe you can dump it and only loose the cost of a little bit of sugar. I found some recipes using the browner sugars or molasses to be too sweet for me because I do not use sugar added to my food and my palate has become sensitive to that flavor. I only use 5 teaspoons of sugar (instead of the 1/4 cup recommended by most recipes) which I mix into a quart ball/mason jar filled about 3/4 full with water. I have managed to keep my grains strong and happy with this amount of sugar. You will know they are happy as they will multiply continually and increase in size a bit when they are doing well. I am not sure about erithritol (which I use for baking) or xlitol (both fruit alcohol in your kefir. If you like Carol Onefreespirit --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 Hi Alice, I use a couple of heaping tablespoons of grains per a quart jar (leaving about an inch or two of airspace at the top to allow space for the gases that are a bi-product of the process.) I have found that the water kefir grain to water ratio exactness is not as necessary to achieve consistent taste as with the milk kefir. Yes, you can over do it, but you do not have to be all that precise. You may want yours sweeter than I do or less sweet, but I would be careful about going to low on the sugar as your grains still need nutrition to remain healthy. Just watch them as you adjust your recipe and if they are still multiplying and growing I would say they are doing well. I have used as much as a cup full of grains and it turned out tasting pretty much the same as when I use the two heaping tablespoons full (which is about a quarter of a cup.) The water kefir grains multiply rapidly and I do not always divide them promptly. Since I brew each day to vary my recipe flavors for variety I have not made a full gallon at one time. It would make sense that you would adjust the amount of sugar and grains in proportion to how much you increase your total quantity so I would try adjusting the amount of grains and sugar accordingly. The grains are resilient enough to survive your trial and error process until you get it tasting the way you want it to. Again, since I have not brewed a full gallon at a time this is pure speculation on my part. Anyone else brew a gallon at a time that can offer their experience here? Carol Onefreespirit > > Hi Carol Onefreespirit > > Thanks for all the information. I am just getting started on the second ferment part as I have not done that before. So your knowledge really helped me. > > One question though, you said: > > " I only use 5 teaspoons of sugar (instead of the 1/4 cup recommended by most recipes) which I mix into a quart ball/mason jar filled about 3/4 full with water " . > > My question: What is the amount of Kefir grains you use? This is the part that confuses me some. I like to increase the jar size to a gallon and wonder if one just > multiplies the kefir grain amount by 4 (4 times for 4 quarts in a gallon). Does this sound right? How much kefir grain would you use in a gallon jar and would you > use 20 teaspoons of sugar too? > > Alice > > > > Hi Amy Jo, > You are correct in saying there are so many ways to make water kefir out there and they are all, for the most part, correct. Sorry that this posting is a bit long, but I hope it will give you enough info to encourage you to do some experimentation to familiarize yourself with kefir so you can see it is easy enough to be part of your daily life. I learned most of it from researching kefir on the net and reading books along with trial and error experimentation. I am by no means an expert on this subject, but wish to share with you a condensed version of what I have learned so far. > > All you have to remember is that in order to keep the grains healthy they need three things: sugar, non-chlorinated water with decent mineral content and a place to brew out of direct sunlight at a temp of around 68-70 degrees. > > I use a double brewing method where you brew only sugar water with the grains for the first 24 hours and then once you remove the grains brew again for 24 hours. I add various flavoring during the second 24 I personally use plain old organic unprocessed sugar and my tap water which is well water that has been softened. You will need to experiment a bit until you come up with a recipe(s) that suit your tastes. As long as your kefir critters are well fed you have room to change the recipes a bit. While I use both milk and water kefir, the nice thing about water kefir is that you can contiue to feed your grains and if you make too much or make a not so good tasting recipe you can dump it and only loose the cost of a little bit of sugar. I found some recipes using the browner sugars or molasses to be too sweet for me because I do not use sugar added to my food and my palate has become sensitive to that flavor. I only use 5 teaspoons of sugar (instead of the 1/4 cup recommended by most recipes) which I mix into a quart ball/mason jar filled about 3/4 full with water. I have managed to keep my grains strong and happy with this amount of sugar. You will know they are happy as they will multiply continually and increase in size a bit when they are doing well. I am not sure about erithritol (which I use for baking) or xlitol (both fruit alcohol in your kefir. If you like Carol Onefreespirit > > --- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 I make a gallon at a time, but in 4 separate jars. In each jar I dissolve about 3 T. turbinado sugar to 3 c. water; then I add about a scant 1/2 c. grains. > > Again, since I have not brewed a full gallon at a time this is pure speculation on my part. Anyone else brew a gallon at a time that can offer their experience here? > Carol Onefreespirit > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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