Guest guest Posted June 22, 2003 Report Share Posted June 22, 2003 Ann, I don't know if it's definitive, however every doctor I have seen wants to see my knees in a sunrise position. It is called a sunrise because the patella looks like the sun rising over the hills (thigh). I don't know where you can see a pic, but if you want to see mine, you can go here <A HREF= " http://plainjai.com/knee " > http://plainjai.com/knee</A> and then look to the side and you will see it labeled left knee, right knee, both knees sunrise! It's my website and you can read my medical reports there and see if anything sounds familiar. I haven't added my most recent info from the last doc though. It shows where you kneecap sits when your leg is bent. You have to laydown with your knees bent and pulled up close to you, then you hold the film while they take the x-ray. It definately shows whether or not your kneecap sits in the trochlea groove! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 You say it should be obvious but .... ok, I looked at yours and they appear to be in the groove but to the side of it. Is that " in the groove " or not? (So much for " definitely shows.... " ) Don On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 01:04 AM, taintedmelodies@... wrote: > Ann, > > I don't know if it's definitive, however every doctor I have > seen > wants to see my knees in a sunrise position. It is called a sunrise > because the > patella looks like the sun rising over the hills (thigh). I don't > know where > you can see a pic, but if you want to see mine, you can go here <A > HREF= " http://plainjai.com/knee " > > http://plainjai.com/knee</A> and then look to the side and you will > see it labeled left knee, > right knee, both knees sunrise! It's my website and you can read my > medical > reports there and see if anything sounds familiar. I haven't added my > most > recent info from the last doc though. > > It shows where you kneecap sits when your leg is bent. You have to > laydown > with your knees bent and pulled up close to you, then you hold the > film while > they take the x-ray. It definately shows whether or not your kneecap > sits in > the trochlea groove! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Don, No mine are not in the groove. When they are in the groove they should be sitting dead center, not at all to the left or right. Mine are hard to see simply because those are the first ones I took. The ones I took a few weeks ago, show the progression and mine are getting much worse. As soon as I get a chance I will take pics of the newest x-rays I had. Sorry the x-rays aren't perfect aren't what you expected, but I'm not a doctor I am a patient just like you and I am learning as I go. I put my x-rays up so that others could see the progression which is the same reason I put up my med. records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Ann, Yes you're right. My kneecap does almost touch my femur. That is my worst leg and I have no cushioning to keep it off the femur which is why I keep getting bone bruises. Unfortunately for me, when I developed this condition I developed the worst of it in a few short months. Those are my first x-rays done last year. I had new ones done by my last doctor last month and I am waiting on the copies of those. When I get those, I will take pics so you can see the progression. The last doc I saw took 26 x-rays of everything below my waist. He said he wanted to check the alignment of my body which makes CP worse. When they do the sunrise ask them to show them to you when they are developed. Then see if they have a normal one for you to look at and you can see how far off yours are. http://plainjai.com/knee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 I don't know what that pain would be like. I don't even know where the IT band is located. From the way the doctor's talk, the reason it is becoming more lateral is because my legs are out of alignment. I have severe genu valgum and my right femur is bent or so they say. I haven't seen the x-ray yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 I did go there. The pics were so clear I thought damn! I should have these taken of my knees. So I faxed my PCP a request that I drop by his office & get this done. (My doc trusts me enough to do a lot of my medical stuff by fax -- it's great. I don't have to pay for an office visit.) I noticed that on one of your knees the kneecap almost touched the femur. Is that correct or was it an artifact of the film angle? Ann Re: Sunrise knee X-rays Ann, I don't know if it's definitive, however every doctor I have seen wants to see my knees in a sunrise position. It is called a sunrise because the patella looks like the sun rising over the hills (thigh). I don't know where you can see a pic, but if you want to see mine, you can go here <A HREF= " http://plainjai.com/knee " > http://plainjai.com/knee</A> and then look to the side and you will see it labeled left knee, right knee, both knees sunrise! It's my website and you can read my medical reports there and see if anything sounds familiar. I haven't added my most recent info from the last doc though. It shows where you kneecap sits when your leg is bent. You have to laydown with your knees bent and pulled up close to you, then you hold the film while they take the x-ray. It definately shows whether or not your kneecap sits in the trochlea groove! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Have you perchance had any iliotibial band pain? A tight IT band can pull your kneecaps laterally. If they're becoming more lateral, something must be causing it. Did you find out what? Ann Re: Sunrise knee X-rays Don, No mine are not in the groove. When they are in the groove they should be sitting dead center, not at all to the left or right. Mine are hard to see simply because those are the first ones I took. The ones I took a few weeks ago, show the progression and mine are getting much worse. As soon as I get a chance I will take pics of the newest x-rays I had. Sorry the x-rays aren't perfect aren't what you expected, but I'm not a doctor I am a patient just like you and I am learning as I go. I put my x-rays up so that others could see the progression which is the same reason I put up my med. records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Ann, >> Yes you're right. My kneecap does almost touch my femur. That is my worst leg and I have no cushioning to keep it off the femur which is why I keep getting bone bruises. Unfortunately for me, when I developed this condition I developed the worst of it in a few short months. Those are my first x-rays done last year. I had new ones done by my last doctor last month and I am waiting on the copies of those. When I get those, I will take pics so you can see the progression. >>The last doc I saw took 26 x-rays of everything below my waist. He said he wanted to check the alignment of my body which makes CP worse. When they do the sunrise ask them to show them to you when they are developed. Then see if they have a normal one for you to look at and you can see how far off yours are. Actually, I was planning to abscond with them, since X-rays have a tendency to get lost, and then there goes your baseline. I also asked for standing X-rays of my hip joints so *I* can see whether either of my legs is shorter (longer?), and of my pelvis to see if -- assuming that neither leg is shorter -- it's malformed, twisted, or tilts on its own. I have scoliosis (slight), and I suspect that this could twist my pelvis and cause knee problems. But try telling a doctor that. Ann http://plainjai.com/knee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Nope I don't have any type of burning pain nor do I have any pain over my thigh area. I read back over my medical records and the doc says that I don't have any pain there so I guess that means that when he pointed the area out I didn't have pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 The IT band runs from the pelvis down the side of your hip, over your hip bone, all the way down the lateral side of your thigh, over the lateral femoral condyle (when the leg is bent, otherwise in front of it), and attaches to the tibia. It's not muscle but connective tissue. It's connected to the quad (and I suppose other) muscles all the way down. The usual ITB pain is right over the lateral femoral epicondyle, but can also be felt all the way up the thigh & some people have the most pain in their hip. Ann Re: Sunrise knee X-rays I don't know what that pain would be like. I don't even know where the IT band is located. From the way the doctor's talk, the reason it is becoming more lateral is because my legs are out of alignment. I have severe genu valgum and my right femur is bent or so they say. I haven't seen the x-ray yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 I should have said that the first 6 " or so at the top is the tensor fascia lata, and that the nature of the pain over the epicondyle is burning. It can be completely disabling. Ann Re: Sunrise knee X-rays I don't know what that pain would be like. I don't even know where the IT band is located. From the way the doctor's talk, the reason it is becoming more lateral is because my legs are out of alignment. I have severe genu valgum and my right femur is bent or so they say. I haven't seen the x-ray yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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