Guest guest Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Thanks, Rene. Lies, lies, and more lies from the chemical industry. My friend's naturopath told her to use Splenda. He believes their deceptive advertosing. It is true they START with sugar; but the end result is nothing found in nature. Why don't people understand the difference between natural and chemical? This same friend uses margarine because she keeps kosher and can't use butter with her meat meals. She knows too much (?) for me to be able to teach her about coconut oil. Ann On Jan 30, 2012 4:45 AM, " rene.oswald@... " <Rene.Oswald@...> wrote: Hi Ann, Yes, but it's just another chemical additive that they try to make sound like it's " natural " and there are people who are having adverse reactions from it as well. It just hasn't been around long enough to have a documentary about it. It's best to use natures food, like dates, raisins, unprocessed stevia herb (the actual green herb) for sweetening and for the very best health, eat whole, ripe fruit! Check out my free recipe videos at RawFoodRene.com or facebook page at Raw Food Rene Have a beautiful day! Rene > > > Thought you might like to view this documentary about artificial > > sweeteners like Spenda. > > Click Here<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELgW4KBY-o4 & feature=player_embedded>to view. > > > > --------------------- > > Rene Oswald, RN, APH > > Best Beginnings, Inc. > > Living Food Classes & Consultations > > www.rawfoodrene.com > > www.reneoswald.com > > 561-775-4867 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 I have learned a lot about working with people over all kinds of controversial "health" topics (diet opinions border on religious opinions by the way) by dealing with hundreds of people as I encounter them at my booth. If you pay attention, you can tell when the information you have to share will be received, and whether or not the other person is an "open spirit". When they are not "open", I've learned to shut up as quickly as possible, and change the subject to something we agree on. I think that people "argue" over health topics because at the root - they want what is best for the other person.Someone who argues for using Splenda or any fill-in-the-blank-processed-food-additive, "might" know that it isn't good for them, but prefers to not stress over EVERY little detail of their diet. They believe that what works for them (not stressing over every minute detail) will (or should) work for everyone else, and they want other people to stress less. OR they might not know that it is bad for them. BUT if they aren't open to learning about how bad it is - we aren't helping by pressing the issue. Stress is just as bad (if not worse) than poor dietary choices, and for some people AT THAT POINT IN THEIR JOURNEY the idea of removing Splenda or fill-in-the-blank-processed-food-additive (or food) would cause more stress than they are ready to take on. This can actually cause someone to not want to know about the bad effects of the fill-in-the-blank-processed-food-additive (or food) - because at that time in their life, if they knew, they would feel obligated to make a change, and the obligation is then a new stressor.A good approach when wanting to share information is to start with something like, "I know that this is a controversial topic, what I've discovered that works for me is (blah, blah blah, blah, blah :-) and I share this in the hopes that for some people, the information is helpful".If you keep in mind the positive intent behind what other people are doing (even when it looks like it is detrimental) it helps to keep you compassionate. Often when people are doing self-destructive things, they are coping mechanisms, and they are doing the best they can at that time, based on where they are on their journey.By the way, I don't always live up to this standard - but I try ;-)Just a thought… Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))>< On Jan 30, 2012, at 7:25 AM, Ann Brandenberger wrote: Thanks, Rene. Lies, lies, and more lies from the chemical industry. My friend's naturopath told her to use Splenda. He believes their deceptive advertosing. It is true they START with sugar; but the end result is nothing found in nature. Why don't people understand the difference between natural and chemical? This same friend uses margarine because she keeps kosher and can't use butter with her meat meals. She knows too much (?) for me to be able to teach her about coconut oil. Ann On Jan 30, 2012 4:45 AM, "rene.oswald@..." <Rene.Oswald@...> wrote: Hi Ann, Yes, but it's just another chemical additive that they try to make sound like it's "natural" and there are people who are having adverse reactions from it as well. It just hasn't been around long enough to have a documentary about it. It's best to use natures food, like dates, raisins, unprocessed stevia herb (the actual green herb) for sweetening and for the very best health, eat whole, ripe fruit! Check out my free recipe videos at RawFoodRene.com or facebook page at Raw Food Rene Have a beautiful day! Rene > > > Thought you might like to view this documentary about artificial > > sweeteners like Spenda. > > Click Here<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELgW4KBY-o4 & feature=player_embedded>to view. > > > > --------------------- > > Rene Oswald, RN, APH > > Best Beginnings, Inc. > > Living Food Classes & Consultations > > www.rawfoodrene.com > > www.reneoswald.com > > 561-775-4867 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Hi Ann, It can be so frustrating when you have so much to share and people don't want to listen. We can only help those that are open to learn and we need to focus on those people and be a good example of health. Sadly, she is your friend and it's hard to watch her poison herself. I feel your pain. I have several family members and a few friends who are living a slow and painful death from the choices they are making. I choose to spend more of my time with people who are on a healing path instead of a deadly one. It's more fun for all of us because the ones that want to stay on the sickly path don't want us in their lives. We have nothing in common. Keep enjoying the journey you are on and the right people will enter your life! Love and blessings, Rene > > > > > > > Thought you might like to view this documentary about artificial > > > > sweeteners like Spenda. > > > > Click Here< > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELgW4KBY-o4 & feature=player_embedded>to > > view. > > > > > > > > --------------------- > > > > Rene Oswald, RN, APH > > > > Best Beginnings, Inc. > > > > Living Food Classes & Consultations > > > > www.rawfoodrene.com > > > > www.reneoswald.com > > > > 561-775-4867 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Well said Lea Ann! I hope you are going to get a little R & R today! Rene :-) > > > > > Thought you might like to view this documentary about artificial > > > sweeteners like Spenda. > > > Click Here<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELgW4KBY-o4 & feature=player_embedded>to view. > > > > > > --------------------- > > > Rene Oswald, RN, APH > > > Best Beginnings, Inc. > > > Living Food Classes & Consultations > > > www.rawfoodrene.com > > > www.reneoswald.com > > > 561-775-4867 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Ya know, Rene's attitude (below) is why I asked for no lectures about Splenda - wish I'd never mentioned it, 'cuz the evangelists have been screaming at the top of their lungs ever since.I have been studying human nutrition and health for 20+ years. I am WELL AWARE of the controversy, and both sides of the story. I am also aware that Canada has used sucralose for 20 years or so, and I was buying it there 15 years ago. If I swallowed some of the concoctions y'all drink down every day, I'd be 50 lbs heavier, *FAT, SICK & NEARLY DEAD*. I can't really even finish *1* serve of fruit without being sick. Dates, honey, maple syrup, agave, etc. - all off my list. They will kill me. I have no freakin' stomach, and even tiny amounts of sugars cause " dumping syndrome " . In addition (maybe because of the missing stomach), I am horribly sensitive to carbs, and those sugars will blow me up into a morbidly obese lump. I use combinations of Splenda, xylitol, Polydextrose, erithytol, stevia (tastes horrible in most things!), coconut and palm sugars, even occasional teaspoons of rice bran syrup or coconut nectar in baking & cooking. I probably know more about sugars, subs and their effects than most of you. And I resent the " It can be so frustrating when you have so much to share and people don't want to listen. We can only help those that are open to learn and we need to focus on those people and be a good example of health. Sadly, she is your friend and it's hard to watch her poison herself. I feel your pain. I have several family members and a few friends who are living a slow and painful death from the choices they are making. I choose to spend more of my time with people who are on a healing path instead of a deadly one. It's more fun for all of us because the ones that want to stay on the sickly path don't want us in their lives. We have nothing in common. " This is one of the least open-minded things I've seen lately.Do you know that you probably get more chlorine in the tap water used to make your hot drink than the Splenda I put in mine? Are you supplementing with iodine to counteract it? How about the fluoride in your water and toothpaste? Are you supplementing with iodine to counteract it? I wish you all *VIBRANT HEALTH*, and an understanding that your choices and mine are *based* on differences, and your choices *will not* work for me.Off to make a protein shake. Then a double, split shot Americano with 2 teaspoons of Splenda, a teaspoon of HEAVY whipping cream . . . because I like it, it works for me, and afterwards I may drink a Grape Kombucha w/Chia . . . already had a noosa strawberry rhubarb yoghurt with chia. And then another protein shake, because I am stressing this morning - got to move my elderly, ill mother and my disabled sister from Greeley, CO to Seattle 'burbs. Then, of course, I'll be babysitting them . . . omg. -- Peace . . . Hawkridgein a NE Seattle 'burb Splenda Posted by: " rene.oswald@... " Rene.Oswald@... rene.oswald@... Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:28 am (PST) Hi Ann, It can be so frustrating when you have so much to share and people don't want to listen. We can only help those that are open to learn and we need to focus on those people and be a good example of health. Sadly, she is your friend and it's hard to watch her poison herself. I feel your pain. I have several family members and a few friends who are living a slow and painful death from the choices they are making. I choose to spend more of my time with people who are on a healing path instead of a deadly one. It's more fun for all of us because the ones that want to stay on the sickly path don't want us in their lives. We have nothing in common. Keep enjoying the journey you are on and the right people will enter your life! Love and blessings, Rene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Great post! Tom From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of HawkridgeSent: Monday, January 30, 2012 3:22 PM Subject: Re: Splenda Ya know, Rene's attitude (below) is why I asked for no lectures about Splenda - wish I'd never mentioned it, 'cuz the evangelists have been screaming at the top of their lungs ever since.I have been studying human nutrition and health for 20+ years. I am WELL AWARE of the controversy, and both sides of the story. I am also aware that Canada has used sucralose for 20 years or so, and I was buying it there 15 years ago.If I swallowed some of the concoctions y'all drink down every day, I'd be 50 lbs heavier, *FAT, SICK & NEARLY DEAD*. I can't really even finish *1* serve of fruit without being sick. Dates, honey, maple syrup, agave, etc. - all off my list. They will kill me.I have no freakin' stomach, and even tiny amounts of sugars cause " dumping syndrome " . In addition (maybe because of the missing stomach), I am horribly sensitive to carbs, and those sugars will blow me up into a morbidly obese lump.I use combinations of Splenda, xylitol, Polydextrose, erithytol, stevia (tastes horrible in most things!), coconut and palm sugars, even occasional teaspoons of rice bran syrup or coconut nectar in baking & cooking.I probably know more about sugars, subs and their effects than most of you. And I resent the " It can be so frustrating when you have so much to share and people don't want to listen. We can only help those that are open to learn and we need to focus on those people and be a good example of health. Sadly, she is your friend and it's hard to watch her poison herself. I feel your pain. I have several family members and a few friends who are living a slow and painful death from the choices they are making. I choose to spend more of my time with people who are on a healing path instead of a deadly one. It's more fun for all of us because the ones that want to stay on the sickly path don't want us in their lives. We have nothing in common. " This is one of the least open-minded things I've seen lately.Do you know that you probably get more chlorine in the tap water used to make your hot drink than the Splenda I put in mine? Are you supplementing with iodine to counteract it? How about the fluoride in your water and toothpaste? Are you supplementing with iodine to counteract it? I wish you all *VIBRANT HEALTH*, and an understanding that your choices and mine are *based* on differences, and your choices *will not* work for me.Off to make a protein shake. Then a double, split shot Americano with 2 teaspoons of Splenda, a teaspoon of HEAVY whipping cream . . . because I like it, it works for me, and afterwards I may drink a Grape Kombucha w/Chia . . . already had a noosa strawberry rhubarb yoghurt with chia. And then another protein shake, because I am stressing this morning - got to move my elderly, ill mother and my disabled sister from Greeley, CO to Seattle 'burbs. Then, of course, I'll be babysitting them . . . omg.-- Peace . . . Hawkridgein a NE Seattle 'burbSplenda Posted by: " rene.oswald@... " Rene.Oswald@... rene.oswald@... Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:28 am (PST) Hi Ann,It can be so frustrating when you have so much to share and people don't want to listen. We can only help those that are open to learn and we need to focus on those people and be a good example of health. Sadly, she is your friend and it's hard to watch her poison herself. I feel your pain. I have several family members and a few friends who are living a slow and painful death from the choices they are making. I choose to spend more of my time with people who are on a healing path instead of a deadly one. It's more fun for all of us because the ones that want to stay on the sickly path don't want us in their lives. We have nothing in common. Keep enjoying the journey you are on and the right people will enter your life!Love and blessings,Rene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Thank goodness some common sense and sophisticated call for empathy and compassion rather than judgment and divisiveness. The idea that those using Splenda are "the sickly path don't want us in their lives. We have nothing in common." is extremist, reactionary, self righteous and lacking understanding of the individual compromises we all make on a daily basis based on our individual circumstances. On Jan 30, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Hawkridge <rayehawk@...> wrote: Ya know, Rene's attitude (below) is why I asked for no lectures about Splenda - wish I'd never mentioned it, 'cuz the evangelists have been screaming at the top of their lungs ever since.I have been studying human nutrition and health for 20+ years. I am WELL AWARE of the controversy, and both sides of the story. I am also aware that Canada has used sucralose for 20 years or so, and I was buying it there 15 years ago. If I swallowed some of the concoctions y'all drink down every day, I'd be 50 lbs heavier, *FAT, SICK & NEARLY DEAD*. I can't really even finish *1* serve of fruit without being sick. Dates, honey, maple syrup, agave, etc. - all off my list. They will kill me. I have no freakin' stomach, and even tiny amounts of sugars cause "dumping syndrome". In addition (maybe because of the missing stomach), I am horribly sensitive to carbs, and those sugars will blow me up into a morbidly obese lump. I use combinations of Splenda, xylitol, Polydextrose, erithytol, stevia (tastes horrible in most things!), coconut and palm sugars, even occasional teaspoons of rice bran syrup or coconut nectar in baking & cooking. I probably know more about sugars, subs and their effects than most of you. And I resent the "It can be so frustrating when you have so much to share and people don't want to listen. We can only help those that are open to learn and we need to focus on those people and be a good example of health. Sadly, she is your friend and it's hard to watch her poison herself. I feel your pain. I have several family members and a few friends who are living a slow and painful death from the choices they are making. I choose to spend more of my time with people who are on a healing path instead of a deadly one. It's more fun for all of us because the ones that want to stay on the sickly path don't want us in their lives. We have nothing in common." This is one of the least open-minded things I've seen lately.Do you know that you probably get more chlorine in the tap water used to make your hot drink than the Splenda I put in mine? Are you supplementing with iodine to counteract it? How about the fluoride in your water and toothpaste? Are you supplementing with iodine to counteract it? I wish you all *VIBRANT HEALTH*, and an understanding that your choices and mine are *based* on differences, and your choices *will not* work for me.Off to make a protein shake. Then a double, split shot Americano with 2 teaspoons of Splenda, a teaspoon of HEAVY whipping cream . . . because I like it, it works for me, and afterwards I may drink a Grape Kombucha w/Chia . . . already had a noosa strawberry rhubarb yoghurt with chia. And then another protein shake, because I am stressing this morning - got to move my elderly, ill mother and my disabled sister from Greeley, CO to Seattle 'burbs. Then, of course, I'll be babysitting them . . . omg. -- Peace . . . Hawkridgein a NE Seattle 'burb Splenda Posted by: "rene.oswald@..." Rene.Oswald@... rene.oswald@... Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:28 am (PST) Hi Ann, It can be so frustrating when you have so much to share and people don't want to listen. We can only help those that are open to learn and we need to focus on those people and be a good example of health. Sadly, she is your friend and it's hard to watch her poison herself. I feel your pain. I have several family members and a few friends who are living a slow and painful death from the choices they are making. I choose to spend more of my time with people who are on a healing path instead of a deadly one. It's more fun for all of us because the ones that want to stay on the sickly path don't want us in their lives. We have nothing in common. Keep enjoying the journey you are on and the right people will enter your life! Love and blessings, Rene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 WOW SOO did any one see the article on today in reference to diet sodas??? here is the linkhttp://health..net/experts/eatthis/3-shocking-soda-factsHMMM well not really so shocking Patti From: Barak Wrobel <bwrobel18@...> " " < > Cc: " " < > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Re: Splenda Thank goodness some common sense and sophisticated call for empathy and compassion rather than judgment and divisiveness. The idea that those using Splenda are "the sickly path don't want us in their lives. We have nothing in common." is extremist, reactionary, self righteous and lacking understanding of the individual compromises we all make on a daily basis based on our individual circumstances. On Jan 30, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Hawkridge <rayehawk@...> wrote: Ya know, Rene's attitude (below) is why I asked for no lectures about Splenda - wish I'd never mentioned it, 'cuz the evangelists have been screaming at the top of their lungs ever since.I have been studying human nutrition and health for 20+ years. I am WELL AWARE of the controversy, and both sides of the story. I am also aware that Canada has used sucralose for 20 years or so, and I was buying it there 15 years ago. If I swallowed some of the concoctions y'all drink down every day, I'd be 50 lbs heavier, *FAT, SICK & NEARLY DEAD*. I can't really even finish *1* serve of fruit without being sick. Dates, honey, maple syrup, agave, etc. - all off my list. They will kill me. I have no freakin' stomach, and even tiny amounts of sugars cause "dumping syndrome". In addition (maybe because of the missing stomach), I am horribly sensitive to carbs, and those sugars will blow me up into a morbidly obese lump. I use combinations of Splenda, xylitol, Polydextrose, erithytol, stevia (tastes horrible in most things!), coconut and palm sugars, even occasional teaspoons of rice bran syrup or coconut nectar in baking & cooking. I probably know more about sugars, subs and their effects than most of you. And I resent the "It can be so frustrating when you have so much to share and people don't want to listen. We can only help those that are open to learn and we need to focus on those people and be a good example of health. Sadly, she is your friend and it's hard to watch her poison herself. I feel your pain. I have several family members and a few friends who are living a slow and painful death from the choices they are making. I choose to spend more of my time with people who are on a healing path instead of a deadly one. It's more fun for all of us because the ones that want to stay on the sickly path don't want us in their lives. We have nothing in common." This is one of the least open-minded things I've seen lately.Do you know that you probably get more chlorine in the tap water used to make your hot drink than the Splenda I put in mine? Are you supplementing with iodine to counteract it? How about the fluoride in your water and toothpaste? Are you supplementing with iodine to counteract it? I wish you all *VIBRANT HEALTH*, and an understanding that your choices and mine are *based* on differences, and your choices *will not* work for me.Off to make a protein shake. Then a double, split shot Americano with 2 teaspoons of Splenda, a teaspoon of HEAVY whipping cream . . . because I like it, it works for me, and afterwards I may drink a Grape Kombucha w/Chia . . . already had a noosa strawberry rhubarb yoghurt with chia. And then another protein shake, because I am stressing this morning - got to move my elderly, ill mother and my disabled sister from Greeley, CO to Seattle 'burbs. Then, of course, I'll be babysitting them . . . omg. -- Peace . . . Hawkridgein a NE Seattle 'burb Splenda Posted by: "rene.oswald@..." Rene.Oswald@... rene.oswald@... Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:28 am (PST) Hi Ann, It can be so frustrating when you have so much to share and people don't want to listen. We can only help those that are open to learn and we need to focus on those people and be a good example of health. Sadly, she is your friend and it's hard to watch her poison herself. I feel your pain. I have several family members and a few friends who are living a slow and painful death from the choices they are making. I choose to spend more of my time with people who are on a healing path instead of a deadly one. It's more fun for all of us because the ones that want to stay on the sickly path don't want us in their lives. We have nothing in common. Keep enjoying the journey you are on and the right people will enter your life! Love and blessings, Rene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Wow, never would I have thought this group would become so caught up with who is right and wrong. EVERY person is different and different things work for different people. I don't think anyone meant anything in a negative way. Just like dr's try and treat depression with different meds for different people. The point should be, listen and stay in tune with your own body and do what works for you! I have severe GP, and can't do a lot of what others do on this board. I know the thing's I eat to stay alive aren't always good for me, but I am still alive. I've been open about the things I've had to eat on this board and everyone's always been supportive. I've had some say 'when your ready let us help you get those things changed to better things.' I gladly accept that help. If its something I just can't do (coconut oils make me sick sick), noone has ever bashed me. It seems like some of you just cant live with others opinions. Noone is forcing you or mad that you disagree. All anyone on this board tries to do is try and help others with what their in tuned bodies have told them works for them. That's all anyone can do, is try to help with what works for them. Not everyone can do everything! I, for one have learned enough that my own child has lost 34 lbs and I have gained about 5 lbs. Hold on though, I NEEDED that weight gain. This is an open board, where people share ideas. Fighting over who is right and wrong is compromising the safety of being able to talk or ask freely for advice. Sorry if I've offended anyone but come on people, we are adults. Splenda shouldn't be the reason people separate ways or exchange sarcastic words. This group is smart and full of real knowledge, if you don't agree, move on. Voice your opinion if you must, but don't keep driving your point or call people out who are truly trying to help! FYI: Ive used only splenda for many years. The result: my child was overweight and my stomach is now paralyzed permanently! Did splenda do it? IDK. What I do know is, shes lost 34 lbs since stopping it. I won't say good or bad cause I loved it, but it obviously wasn't working for us. Oh and before anyone feels the need to bash me for having an overweight child...We in this house have never eaten a fried food and I've always cooked well balanced meals. I'm so sorry to see this argument on this site, I really thought we were all better than that! Love and Prayers, --- Original Message --- From: patti <patti720@...> Sent: January 30, 2012 1/30/12 Subject: Re: Re: Splenda  WOW SOO did any one see the article on today in reference to diet sodas??? here is the link http://health..net/experts/eatthis/3-shocking-soda-facts HMMM well not really so shocking Patti From: Barak Wrobel <bwrobel18@...> " " < > Cc: " " < > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Re: Splenda  Thank goodness some common sense and sophisticated call for empathy and compassion rather than judgment and divisiveness. The idea that those using Splenda are " the sickly path don't want us in their lives. We have nothing in common. " is extremist, reactionary, self righteous and lacking understanding of the individual compromises we all make on a daily basis based on our individual circumstances.  On Jan 30, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Hawkridge <rayehawk@...> wrote:  Ya know, Rene's attitude (below) is why I asked for no lectures about Splenda - wish I'd never mentioned it, 'cuz the evangelists have been screaming at the top of their lungs ever since. I have been studying human nutrition and health for 20+ years. I am WELL AWARE of the controversy, and both sides of the story. I am also aware that Canada has used sucralose for 20 years or so, and I was buying it there 15 years ago. If I swallowed some of the concoctions y'all drink down every day, I'd be 50 lbs heavier, *FAT, SICK & NEARLY DEAD*. I can't really even finish *1* serve of fruit without being sick. Dates, honey, maple syrup, agave, etc. - all off my list. They will kill me. I have no freakin' stomach, and even tiny amounts of sugars cause " dumping syndrome " . In addition (maybe because of the missing stomach), I am horribly sensitive to carbs, and those sugars will blow me up into a morbidly obese lump. I use combinations of Splenda, xylitol, Polydextrose, erithytol, stevia (tastes horrible in most things!), coconut and palm sugars, even occasional teaspoons of rice bran syrup or coconut nectar in baking & cooking. I probably know more about sugars, subs and their effects than most of you. And I resent the " It can be so frustrating when you have so much to share and people don't want to listen. We can only help those that are open to learn and we need to focus on those people and be a good example of health. Sadly, she is your friend and it's hard to watch her poison herself. I feel your pain. I have several family members and a few friends who are living a slow and painful death from the choices they are making. I choose to spend more of my time with people who are on a healing path instead of a deadly one. It's more fun for all of us because the ones that want to stay on the sickly path don't want us in their lives. We have nothing in common. "  This is one of the least open-minded things I've seen lately. Do you know that you probably get more chlorine in the tap water used to make your hot drink than the Splenda I put in mine? Are you supplementing with iodine to counteract it? How about the fluoride in your water and toothpaste? Are you supplementing with iodine to counteract it? I wish you all *VIBRANT HEALTH*, and an understanding that your choices and mine are *based* on differences, and your choices *will not* work for me. Off to make a protein shake. Then a double, split shot Americano with 2 teaspoons of Splenda, a teaspoon of HEAVY whipping cream . . . because I like it, it works for me, and afterwards I may drink a Grape Kombucha w/Chia . . . already had a noosa strawberry rhubarb yoghurt with chia. And then another protein shake, because I am stressing this morning - got to move my elderly, ill mother and my disabled sister from Greeley, CO to Seattle 'burbs. Then, of course, I'll be babysitting them . . . omg. -- Peace . . . Hawkridge in a NE Seattle 'burb Splenda Posted by: " rene.oswald@... " Rene.Oswald@...  rene.oswald@... Jan 30, 2012 6:28 am (PST) Hi Ann, It can be so frustrating when you have so much to share and people don't want to listen. We can only help those that are open to learn and we need to focus on those people and be a good example of health. Sadly, she is your friend and it's hard to watch her poison herself. I feel your pain. I have several family members and a few friends who are living a slow and painful death from the choices they are making. I choose to spend more of my time with people who are on a healing path instead of a deadly one. It's more fun for all of us because the ones that want to stay on the sickly path don't want us in their lives. We have nothing in common. Keep enjoying the journey you are on and the right people will enter your life! Love and blessings, Rene Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (11) Recent Activity: New Members 73 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Well said . I appreciate the info that i get from all the discussions and this usually leads me to find out more info. But please don't preach that " your " way is the only way. Different things work for different people and what may be healthy for some, may be deadly for others, as said. Let's all agree to share, accept, and to disagree, as the case may be. Barb T. :-) On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Hawkridge <rayehawk@...> wrote: Ya know, Rene's attitude (below) is why I asked for no lectures about Splenda - wish I'd never mentioned it, 'cuz the evangelists have been screaming at the top of their lungs ever since.I have been studying human nutrition and health for 20+ years. I am WELL AWARE of the controversy, and both sides of the story. I am also aware that Canada has used sucralose for 20 years or so, and I was buying it there 15 years ago. If I swallowed some of the concoctions y'all drink down every day, I'd be 50 lbs heavier, *FAT, SICK & NEARLY DEAD*. I can't really even finish *1* serve of fruit without being sick. Dates, honey, maple syrup, agave, etc. - all off my list. They will kill me. I have no freakin' stomach, and even tiny amounts of sugars cause " dumping syndrome " . In addition (maybe because of the missing stomach), I am horribly sensitive to carbs, and those sugars will blow me up into a morbidly obese lump. I use combinations of Splenda, xylitol, Polydextrose, erithytol, stevia (tastes horrible in most things!), coconut and palm sugars, even occasional teaspoons of rice bran syrup or coconut nectar in baking & cooking. I probably know more about sugars, subs and their effects than most of you. And I resent the " It can be so frustrating when you have so much to share and people don't want to listen. We can only help those that are open to learn and we need to focus on those people and be a good example of health. Sadly, she is your friend and it's hard to watch her poison herself. I feel your pain. I have several family members and a few friends who are living a slow and painful death from the choices they are making. I choose to spend more of my time with people who are on a healing path instead of a deadly one. It's more fun for all of us because the ones that want to stay on the sickly path don't want us in their lives. We have nothing in common. " This is one of the least open-minded things I've seen lately. Do you know that you probably get more chlorine in the tap water used to make your hot drink than the Splenda I put in mine? Are you supplementing with iodine to counteract it? How about the fluoride in your water and toothpaste? Are you supplementing with iodine to counteract it? I wish you all *VIBRANT HEALTH*, and an understanding that your choices and mine are *based* on differences, and your choices *will not* work for me.Off to make a protein shake. Then a double, split shot Americano with 2 teaspoons of Splenda, a teaspoon of HEAVY whipping cream . . . because I like it, it works for me, and afterwards I may drink a Grape Kombucha w/Chia . . . already had a noosa strawberry rhubarb yoghurt with chia. And then another protein shake, because I am stressing this morning - got to move my elderly, ill mother and my disabled sister from Greeley, CO to Seattle 'burbs. Then, of course, I'll be babysitting them . . . omg. -- Peace . . . Hawkridgein a NE Seattle 'burb Splenda Posted by: " rene.oswald@... " Rene.Oswald@... rene.oswald@... Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:28 am (PST) Hi Ann,It can be so frustrating when you have so much to share and people don't want to listen. We can only help those that are open to learn and we need to focus on those people and be a good example of health. Sadly, she is your friend and it's hard to watch her poison herself. I feel your pain. I have several family members and a few friends who are living a slow and painful death from the choices they are making. I choose to spend more of my time with people who are on a healing path instead of a deadly one. It's more fun for all of us because the ones that want to stay on the sickly path don't want us in their lives. We have nothing in common. Keep enjoying the journey you are on and the right people will enter your life! Love and blessings,Rene -- Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 I am vegan. I could come on this list, and scream about the yogurt you guys eat, and the current talk of coconut butter. I am on a diet that calls for 10% fat, and *no* animal products, but I respect all your choices. to say that I am somehow not worthy of being in the lives of those who know about healthful choices? who decides what those are? I happily use splenda, drink diet sodas, and use stevia. I do not need lectures, no one does. we are all grown up and intelligent. Just because anyone else on list believes something doesn't mean it is true for all, or that we who feel differently are sacrificing health or need to be taught or enlightened. AliaOn Jan 30, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Barak Wrobel wrote:Thank goodness some common sense and sophisticated call for empathy and compassion rather than judgment and divisiveness. The idea that those using Splenda are "the sickly path don't want us in their lives. We have nothing in common." is extremist, reactionary, self righteous and lacking understanding of the individual compromises we all make on a daily basis based on our individual circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Seriously... if there is something someone has posted or said.. it is their OPINION & we are entitled to that. I do not believe that ANYONE is trying to "bash", "force" OR "belittle" anyone! I have learned soo much from . If there is something that I dont agree with GUESS WHAT?? I delete! woohoo for the delete button! I love Rene & her videos! I was watching them way before I found this group! She may have been the one that got me wanting a Vitamix sooo badly! I think this has all gotten WAY out of hand! I totally agree with .. every one please just simma down! lol IF you want to include Splenda in your diet so be it... IF we all sat around with blinders on what a world we would be living in huh??? I am one for free speech and listening & then seeing if I want to incorporate that into my life or diet... Patti From: alia robinson <aliar4@...> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:55 PM Subject: Re: Re: Splenda I am vegan. I could come on this list, and scream about the yogurt you guys eat, and the current talk of coconut butter. I am on a diet that calls for 10% fat, and *no* animal products, but I respect all your choices. to say that I am somehow not worthy of being in the lives of those who know about healthful choices? who decides what those are? I happily use splenda, drink diet sodas, and use stevia. I do not need lectures, no one does. we are all grown up and intelligent. Just because anyone else on list believes something doesn't mean it is true for all, or that we who feel differently are sacrificing health or need to be taught or enlightened. AliaOn Jan 30, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Barak Wrobel wrote:Thank goodness some common sense and sophisticated call for empathy and compassion rather than judgment and divisiveness. The idea that those using Splenda are "the sickly path don't want us in their lives. We have nothing in common." is extremist, reactionary, self righteous and lacking understanding of the individual compromises we all make on a daily basis based on our individual circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 On 1/30/2012 7:12 PM, patti wrote: > Seriously... if there is something someone has posted or said.. it is > their OPINION & we are entitled to that. I do not believe that ANYONE > is trying to " bash " , " force " OR " belittle " anyone! I have learned soo > much from . If there is something that I dont agree with > GUESS WHAT?? I delete! woohoo for the delete button! I heartily agree. With over 2,000 people on this list there could never be total agreement even if we were aspiring to that goal. It is nonsensical to think, unless someone makes it clear they are speaking to a specific person, to take any post as meaning that one must agree with the content. There is wonderful variety here; each is free to pick and choose what ideas will (or might) work for them. I use many of the ideas I've read here as starting points for more research, etc, sometimes even if I don't think it's a direction I might want to go. People say things for all sorts of reasons, but I sincerely doubt if anyone was targeting a certain person without so indicating. I agree: don't like it, feel free to use the delete feature. But to lash out at 2,000 people because one/some of them don't agree with one's viewpoint is at best useless and at worst puts one at the risk of losing a valuable " set " (sorry, can't think of the appropriate English word) of information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Amen to what said. Rene- hugs. You mean well and your videos are adorable and so non pretentious. I value your opinions and anyone else's. I love other points of view. Keep them coming. Hugs all. Deep breaths. •Robbin On Jan 30, 2012, at 8:20 PM, sjc <indexer@...> wrote: On 1/30/2012 7:12 PM, patti wrote: > Seriously... if there is something someone has posted or said.. it is > their OPINION & we are entitled to that. I do not believe that ANYONE > is trying to "bash", "force" OR "belittle" anyone! I have learned soo > much from . If there is something that I dont agree with > GUESS WHAT?? I delete! woohoo for the delete button! I heartily agree. With over 2,000 people on this list there could never be total agreement even if we were aspiring to that goal. It is nonsensical to think, unless someone makes it clear they are speaking to a specific person, to take any post as meaning that one must agree with the content. There is wonderful variety here; each is free to pick and choose what ideas will (or might) work for them. I use many of the ideas I've read here as starting points for more research, etc, sometimes even if I don't think it's a direction I might want to go. People say things for all sorts of reasons, but I sincerely doubt if anyone was targeting a certain person without so indicating. I agree: don't like it, feel free to use the delete feature. But to lash out at 2,000 people because one/some of them don't agree with one's viewpoint is at best useless and at worst puts one at the risk of losing a valuable "set" (sorry, can't think of the appropriate English word) of information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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