Re: cancer/endometriosis and Dairy/Kefir

[Guest guest]

I have a very conservative OBGYN, who has written a book on how to

prevent breast cancer (includes all cancers) and he recommends staying

away from dairy products with the exception of a few cheeses, plain

organic yogurt, and kefir.

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From my understanding, it is the hormones in the dairy and not the

dairy itself. I feel that it is very important to use organic (hormone

free) milk to make your keifr.

Texas

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I always wondered about the extra hormones in a pregnant lactating animal. A cow

is pregnant for nine months. Seven months out of a ten month lactation the cow

is pregnant.

Goats have a gestation of five months. So if the dairy also dries up their goats

two months before kidding time, only three months out of a ten month lactation

the goat is pregnant. And sometimes even less because goats don't always go ten

months. It is more seasonal. Some dry their goats off as soon as they are bred.

I don't know if pregnancy hormones in milk is significant to health. I just

always wondered about that.

Because... the same hormones a dairy gives extra to their cows to boost milk

production, she produces herself. Just not in that quantity. But my question is,

what about pregnancy itself, everything else being all natural, no extra

hormones given?

Any dairy experts out there?

I think I'll ask this on a goat forum, too.

Marilyn

[Guest guest]

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Raw milk does not cause the problems you mention, pasturization and

homoginization cause it, raw goats milk is easier to digest than raw

cow milk, kefir does make store milk much safer though if you cant

get raw milk. For more info about raw milk visit: www.realmilk.com

kefir is very safe. Blessings Conrad

My question is, does the process of turning milk into kefir kill

whatever

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> If I am concerned about consuming too much dairy would it be better

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> using water kefir grains or soy milk?

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> Thank you for your time to answer my concerns if you have knowledge

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[Guest guest]

I really don't know about the cancer/endometriosis

portion of your question (though I do not believe that

it does contribute to it)...I just wanted to respond

to the soy milk. Soy milk really is not good for you

and it can kill kefir grains if that is the only

medium that is used for culturing. I have had a soy

allergy all my life and have done a lot of research on

it. The only type of soy that is truly good for you

is one that has been fermented (miso, tempah, {and

only tofu that has truly been fermented}, etc)...

So, you could culture a batch of soy milk but you

would really need to feed your grains good, raw milk

for a couple of cultures before you culture more soy.

Aside from Dr. Mercola's site (www.mercola.com)and the

Weston A Price Foundation (www.westonaprice.org) you

can also get a lot of information about soy and good

ferments from the Rejoice in Life website

(www.rejoiceinlife.com). There are a lot of kefir

recipes here as well.

My motto not only from haveing a soy allergy but from

all of my research I've done is to avoid all soy that

is unfermented. (Western science strikes again...soy

is a for profit only crop and it is harming many

people's health because it is full of anti-nutrients

that are very hard to remove even through

fermentation)

Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

The problems are mainly with processed milk.

You will not have these problems with raw milk, if you can get it.

Same with goat milk - goat milk is great if you can get it raw.

To understand why, view the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHcyAH0rOPE

We make kefir only from raw milk. No longer drink any processed milk.

Making kefir from processed milk will improve it, but not eliminate all the

negatives mentioned in the above video.

Del

cancer/endometriosis and Dairy/Kef

I have read that dairy products, particularly elements in cows milk, have

been connected with cancer of the ovaries/prostate and endometriosis etc.

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[Guest guest]

do you know we don't have access to non pasteurized raw milk in Quebec ???? Only

pasteurized milk unless you know personally a farmer and even then ..... if he

is willing to give you some.

Claude Au Chatelet GREAT DANES/DANOIS New web site:

www.auchatelet.comAdministrateure du forum " Passionnement Danois "

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That is also typical all over the USA. Our governments feel obligated to protect

us from health milk.

Marilyn

[Guest guest]

Renée Claude,

It is illegal in Québec and in Canada raw milk. If you know someone who sells

you some, you have to keep it private as it could cause this person some

problems. I was told that even the farmers that have cows have to send all

their milk to their coop. (If they do or they don't, who cares?)

Diane

[Guest guest]

In Canada, they have socialized medicine, and after 20 years they are trying to

change it, because so many peo. have suffered, and when really sick, they are

sent to America if they can't wait until their number is called on the waiting

list.  This prob. goes the same with Gov. control over the farmers. They are

afraid to give it away raw, and sending all their milk to a coop.  So sad. We

should look at them and see what we don't want here in America.  Once a law is

made, it is so hard to change it.  Much better to prevent it in the first place.

In IL.