Re: Soy Milk Kefir

[Guest guest]

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I just want to say that there is nothing nutritional in soy milk and it would be

better for you to not even culture it.  It has so many anti-nutrients that it

would take a heck of a long time to culture anything good into it.  It surely is

not good for children due to the high levels of estrogen in it.  This goes for

all soy not just the milk. 

Sorry, just had to give my two cents on that.  I've researched it until I'm blue

in the face due to a soy allergy and found out all sorts of horrible things

about it.  There are many sites out there that preach about the dangers of soy. 

The Westin Price Foundation is one of them along with Dr. Mercola's website. 

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[Guest guest]

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> I just want to say that there is nothing nutritional in soy milk and it would

be better for you to not even culture it.  It has so many anti-nutrients that it

would take a heck of a long time to culture anything good into it.  It surely is

not good for children due to the high levels of estrogen in it.  This goes for

all soy not just the milk. 

>

> Sorry, just had to give my two cents on that.  I've researched it until I'm

blue in the face due to a soy allergy and found out all sorts of horrible things

about it.  There are many sites out there that preach about the dangers of soy. 

The Westin Price Foundation is one of them along with Dr. Mercola's website. 

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I think much of our allergies might be because of some early exposure, or

adaptation along the way of our food habits, or environmental changes.

Maybe because you are allergic to Soy food so you do watch out and avoid it. I

can drink soy milk until I'm blue in the face and still don't have any problem

with it, both literally and figuratively.

I would love to read up on any good tips, or experience on soy milk kefir from

folks who have tried it. I may even try to make some fermented soybean paste

and soy sauce for the first time this year. It really is beans overgrown with

fungus, preserved in salt water (1 part salt, 4-5 parts water by weight). That

may sound gross, but it is not much different than how blue cheese, or other

cheese is made.

Here in the U.S., with Chloramine (bleach and amonia cocktail, anyone???) in tap

water, that can't be boiled away, I'm not sure boiled tap water is any good in

the body short term, or long term. Not sure what kind of reaction it causes to

our body with various food we eat.

Jimmy

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Jimmy! I get tired of people reminding me of the dangers of soy, when I

am of your opinion, that it is bad for those who are allergic to it (just like

milk would be for those allergic to it, or wheat or anything else). I went off

soy for 2 weeks to test the reaction on my son, now I'm going off milk for the

same reason. And the estrogen in soy is phytoestrogen, which the body can use or

discard as needed, not like the synthetic stuff prescribed by doctors.

I am using organic, non-GMO soybeans, and when I mentioned to my naturopathic

doctor (who also warned me against too much soy), that I make my own soy milk

and tofu out of organic soy beans, she seemed very pleased. I rarely use any

processed soy products (think veggie meats), because I now can make my own out

of the soy fiber or tofu, and it's a whole lot cheaper.

So.... anyone else have an answer to my original question? Or am I the only one

who has ever tried culturing soy kefir?

BTW, I'm not positive yet (I don't have a plastic tablespoon to measure with)

but it seems my soy kefir grains really are growing. Give me a week and I'll

know more for sure.

[Guest guest]

I just want to clarify, I only found out how bad unfermented soy is when I

researched it due to an allergy.  It is not only people who are allergic to it

but everybody that it effects.  It is extremely high in estrogens and

anti-nutrients and can keep your body from absorbing calcium...amoung many other

issues.  As long as it is fermented there are added benefits; but, some believe

that it is so full of anti-nutrients that it would take an act of Congress to

get anything good put into it.  I was not making a statement based upon my

previous allergy (although it is one of the top 10 food allergens) I was making

a statement based upon the reasearch I had done into it and finding such

negative properties regarding it in its natural state.

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for warning the folks here on the danger of soy. My two

cents is that is has never made the GRAS list. GRAS = Generally Recognized

As Safe. It is not on that list and never will be. That's because it is not

safe. It may take decades for some people, but it WILL eventually trash your

thyroid gland. IMHO you are much better off with Almond " milk " . Milk being

in quotes because almonds don't have an udder.

Marilyn

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Estrello <majalove888@...>wrote:

> I just want to clarify, I only found out how bad unfermented soy is when I

> researched it due to an allergy. It is not only people who are allergic to

> it but everybody that it effects. It is extremely high in estrogens and

> anti-nutrients and can keep your body from absorbing calcium...amoung many

> other issues. As long as it is fermented there are added benefits; but,

> some believe that it is so full of anti-nutrients that it would take an act

> of Congress to get anything good put into it. I was not making a statement

> based upon my previous allergy (although it is one of the top 10 food

> allergens) I was making a statement based upon the reasearch I had done into

> it and finding such negative properties regarding it in its natural state.

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

THANKS!!! I really appreciate this. I, too, have done research on soy

and hate it that so many use it without knowing the true " cons " .

Texas

Thank you for warning the folks here on the danger of soy. My two

cents is that is has never made the GRAS list. GRAS = Generally Recognized

As Safe. It is not on that list and never will be. That's because it is not

safe. It may take decades for some people, but it WILL eventually trash your

thyroid gland. IMHO you are much better off with Almond " milk " . Milk being

in quotes because almonds don't have an udder.

Marilyn

[Guest guest]

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> > I just want to clarify, I only found out how bad unfermented soy is when I

> > researched it due to an allergy. It is not only people who are allergic to

> > it but everybody that it effects. It is extremely high in estrogens and

> > anti-nutrients and can keep your body from absorbing calcium...amoung many

> > other issues. As long as it is fermented there are added benefits; but,

> > some believe that it is so full of anti-nutrients that it would take an act

> > of Congress to get anything good put into it. I was not making a statement

> > based upon my previous allergy (although it is one of the top 10 food

> > allergens) I was making a statement based upon the reasearch I had done into

> > it and finding such negative properties regarding it in its natural state.

> >

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Eastern veggetarians, including virtually all Asian buhdist monks, live entirely

on veggetation, most won't even touch animal milk or eggs. After various

combination of rice (main stapples), soy products (mostly self-made) would

probably take a reasonably large daily portion (soy milk, fermented beans and

curds, or cooked long enough until soften). Of course they eat lots of other

fresh or fermented veggetables as well as other fresh and dried beans, too.

I definitely say GMO soybeans are the pseudo science that should be declared

SIFDCAS (Some Industry Funded Doctors Claim as Safe). I even read about some

law suit about GMO crops cross-polination to (hence, contaminating) near-by

fields and GMO license holder wanted the field owners to pay a licence for

growing those or have to destroy their crop.

I would hate to see various government making claims about food and drugs that

they don't know much about just because they listen to the type of researchers

that simply do " baloney research " on people who drink " 1/2 glass of wine a day

is healthier vs. those who don't " which turns into " 1/2 glass of alcoholic

beverage " (could mean entirely different thing), or some ridiculus thing like

" people who eat 1 oz. of chocolate a day has healthier heart " . They don't even

care to mention how many people participated and how long they observe those

people or what dozen of other things they eat.

Just because they have a PhD. doesn't mean I respect them all. That's exactly

how some U.S. States passed laws favoring the various Milk industry lobby groups

calling for the banning of raw milk. Now they have the Federal government buddy

of theirs approved such things as X-ray radiated meat as well as cloned meat in

the stores that we don't know anything about the long term affects. Of course

all their paid researchers claim that it is safe. Probably as safe as when

their paid PhD's claim with tobaco products. There are plenty of other problems

in our food chain these days, to name a few: food coloring, high fructose corn

syrup in sweet food, MSG in virtually every commercial meals and salty snacks

(for those allergic to MSG). There's also peanut, gluten allergies...

As for food, I think the U.S. overdose ourselves with milk, cow, pig, and

(federally subsidized) corn products. I have read insinuation of growth

hormone, antibiotics in milk and meat, that gross me out. Milk is also

insinuated for early puberty problems.

About food, the U.S. has over abbundant of food and that turn into the overweigh

problem because of mindless eating, or brain washed from the early age by

cartoon ads about coco puffs, chocolate milk, sugar loaded breakfast, to the

sexual inuendo of " milk, it's good for you " ads. Not that other countries don't

have similar problems, but I don't think I see a 600-pound (or even 200 pound)

chronically starving person in Asia, or Africa. Sorry if this offend anyone but

I do see picture a cow (chick fillet ads may strengthen that mental note)

whenever I see a 300+ pound person on " the biggest looser " tv show, that's just

my own reminder to not over eating, especially when it comes to 16oz. or 24oz.

steak, or overloading on dairy, or cakes. I have to admit, in Asia, it is the

sight of huge pigs (200-300 pounder) that people there associated with overweigh

problems.

My food moto has been take things in moderation.

Jimmy

[Guest guest]

>

> THANKS!!! I really appreciate this. I, too, have done research on soy

> and hate it that so many use it without knowing the true " cons " .

>

>

> Texas

>

>

> Thank you for warning the folks here on the danger of soy. My two

> cents is that is has never made the GRAS list. GRAS = Generally Recognized

> As Safe. It is not on that list and never will be. That's because it is not

> safe. It may take decades for some people, but it WILL eventually trash your

> thyroid gland. IMHO you are much better off with Almond " milk " . Milk being

> in quotes because almonds don't have an udder.

>

> Marilyn

>

I definitely don't care for the commercialized soy milk with vanila, chocolate,

strawberry additives. I prefer the home made version, although I still have to

worry about GMO soy beans.

If you think you don't like soy milk, let's see how you see milk after reading

the following.

Just stumbled on this, government in some places have talked about banning whole

milk?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/children_shealth/3339768/Now-Nanny-bans-the-ha\

rd-stuff.html

http://www.diet-blog.com/archives/2006/05/28/why_ban_whole_milk.php

About milk, here are something you may want to read and see of the powerful

industrial companies that will meddle with our food chain:

http://www1.american.edu/TED/milk.htm

http://www1.american.edu/projects/mandala/TED/SOYBEAN.HTM

I do know one thing is the dairy industry powerful lobbying for laws that ban

the use of the word " milk " in soy milk is way over the top In most languages,

the term " soy milk " has been there for ages. I imagine they have other tricks

under their sleeves, too. so I wouldn't be surprise of any negative research

done on soy milk. Here are some titbits:

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-1227805491.html

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-4668251.html

Everything below are about milk, found at:

http://everything2.com/title/Milk

... word bought ™-end and ©-ed by the Dairy industry so that no one else may

use the term. (This is true as far as I know in the US and Australia. As for

other countries I don't know, but it does explain why no soy milk can use the

term " milk " in its product name. E.g. " Soy Dream " , " Soy Drink " , " Soy

Delight " ...)

...

2. bs says " cows which have been pumped up with human growth hormone, which

is just really gross to me. " Well, nope. Cows are pumped up with BST, an acromy

for Bovine SomatoTropine, which is a cow growth hormone, and legal in the United

States, but not in the European Union, although the US wants to push it into our

throats during every GATT discussions and threatens with sanctions. Besides,

there's more BST remaining in the meat than in the milk.

Maybe even more doubtful is the use of the vaccination/immunization treatments

of the livestock which is correlated (a statistically significant positive

relation) to the ever increasing occurence of milk protein allergy because of

the transferred antibodies via the milk (uhm, researchers think it's the

antibodies to blame, they're not 100% sure about that).

...

" Don't Drink Your Milk! " is a small book written by the late Oski,

M.D. as mentioned above. He maintained that bovine milk was not only unnecessary

for humans but also actually harmful. Many other experts agree that cow's milk

is a nasty secretion best reserved for calves (who by the way are removed from

their mothers so we can have their milk). Dr. Mercola lists the following

problems which he attributes to consumption of cow's milk: " iron deficiency

anemia, allergies, diarrhea, heart disease, colic, cramps, gastrointestinal

bleeding, sinusitis, skin rashes, acne, arthritis, diabetes, ear infections,

osteoporosis, asthma, autoimmune diseases and possibly even lung cancer,

multiple sclerosis and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. "

The federal government subsidizes the dairy industry in the US. The US

Department of Agriculture donated $200 million in 1999 to the dairy industry

despite the fact that the cost of milk is at an all time high. The US WIC

program includes milk and milk products as part of the food package they

distribute regardless of the ability of the client to digest it. US schools

(that receive federal monies) are required by law to put milk on every lunch

tray unless the parents provide a doctor's excuse note to not do this.

The natural age of weaning in humans is somewhere between 2.5 and 7 years as

determined by research done by K. Dettwyler, an anthropologist and contributing

author and editor of " Breastfeeding; Biocultural Perspectives " .

Most people in the world become lactose intolerant as they grow past the natural

age of weaning. Breastmilk is higher in lactose than any other milk so babies

are not born lactose intolerant.

Cow's milk does not deserve a special spot in the Food Pyramid. All the

nutrients we get from milk can be had from other foods and sunshine without the

medical problems caused by milk. At best, milk should be viewed as a treat, not

an essential nutrient. Commercial interests dictate government policy and the

attitude that we need milk filters on down to become a deeply held belief.

Don't drink your milk.

SOURCES:

http://www.pcrm.org/news/issues040618_alert.html

http://www.pcrm.org/health/VSK/VSK6.html

http://www.mercola.com/article/milk/no_milk.htm

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0945383347/104-9279229-2060721?v=g\

lance

http://articles.animalconcerns.org/ar-voices/archive/dont_drink.html

http://www.notmilk.com/

http://www.mydr.com.au/default.asp?article=3775 (shows need for other sources of

calcium)

Jimmy