Re: Water Kefir Grains Revived

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Where do you get your germanium and in what form? I searched and came up with prices ranging fro 25$ to $6000 !!!

huggs

zoe

Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 10:24:43 PM, you wrote:

A week ago I experimented with Germanium to revive our water kefir

grains. It worked! They are back to being robust and much larger.

They needed a little jump start. Now I wonder what a little Germanium

would do in a batch of milk kefir. Our milk kefir is made with raw

cows milk, so they are happy campers and are very prolific. I can just

imagine them becoming giant overnight if I added Germanium.

Vicky

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Hi Vicky,I have yet to try the germanium with my water kefir but since you reminded me...But, I did put a tablespoon of liquid kelp fertilizer (LOL fear not it is quite edible the stuff I am using) in my milk kefir for ten days and they tripled instead of just doubled.

I don't remember the kelp making that big of a difference with the water kefir. I'll try straight germanium.MarilynOn 10/11/06, v_shoup

<fa513@...> wrote:A week ago I experimented with Germanium to revive our water kefir

grains. It worked! They are back to being robust and much larger.They needed a little jump start. Now I wonder what a little Germaniumwould do in a batch of milk kefir. Our milk kefir is made with rawcows milk, so they are happy campers and are very prolific. I can just

imagine them becoming giant overnight if I added Germanium.Vicky

[Guest guest]

what is this stuff and where do you get them?

--- Marilyn Kefirlady <marilynjarz@...> wrote:

> Hi Vicky,

>

> I have yet to try the germanium with my water kefir

> but since you reminded

> me...

>

> But, I did put a tablespoon of liquid kelp

> fertilizer (LOL fear not it is

> quite edible the stuff I am using) in my milk kefir

> for ten days and they

> tripled instead of just doubled.

>

> I don't remember the kelp making that big of a

> difference with the water

> kefir. I'll try straight germanium.

>

> Marilyn

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[Guest guest]

You can get liquid kelp fertilizer from:kelpman.comI like this company for some of my minerals especially silica:http://www.eidon.com/minerals_new.htm

I just noticed they do not have germanium. But WaterOz does.MarilynOn 10/11/06, lil_joy <lil_joy69@...

> wrote:what is this stuff and where do you get them?

[Guest guest]

Thanks Marilyn. I have so much to learn

Re: Water Kefir Grains Revived

You can get liquid kelp fertilizer from:kelpman.comI like this company for some of my minerals especially silica:http://www.eidon. com/minerals_ new.htm I just noticed they do not have germanium. But WaterOz does.Marilyn

On 10/11/06, lil_joy <lil_joy69 (DOT) com > wrote:

what is this stuff and where do you get them?

[Guest guest]

Can Kefir grains metabolize inorganic minerals to an organic form,

meaning to have a carbon molecule. We can only use organic minerals in

our bodies. Plants take up inorganic minerals attach carbon to them

making them organic. We expel the carbon and a plant recycles it yet

again. I am just asking because I do not know the chemistry of kefir

grains.

ASH

> >

> > A week ago I experimented with Germanium to revive our water kefir

> > grains. It worked! They are back to being robust and much larger.

> > They needed a little jump start. Now I wonder what a little Germanium

> > would do in a batch of milk kefir. Our milk kefir is made with raw

> > cows milk, so they are happy campers and are very prolific. I can just

> > imagine them becoming giant overnight if I added Germanium.

> > Vicky

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Happy Day Marilyn and all,

That's simple. I would use ocean water that was collected many miles

offshore and tested for contaminants. I have used this in orchards,

gardens and had others use it on pasture grasses for grazing herds.

Remarkable health of the plant and delicious produce that keeps very

long on the shelf. This all stemmed from the work of Dr. Maynard

Murray who wrote a book, Sea Energy Agriculture.

A ruminent animal can drink and utilize ocean water. A monogastric

animal (man included) cannot utilize inorganic ocean water.

I suspect that Azomite would not work because of the limited genus of

bacteria in Kefir. I thot about trying to introduce Bifidobacteria to

kefir, but have nver tried yet. Success would require specific testing

for verification of success. Primarily, Kefir has the Acidophilus

genus of bacteria.

Given a choice, animals prefer foods grown with ocean water and grass

has been shown to takeup all 90+ minerals.

ASH

> >

> > Can Kefir grains metabolize inorganic minerals to an organic form,

> > meaning to have a carbon molecule. We can only use organic minerals in

> > our bodies. Plants take up inorganic minerals attach carbon to them

> > making them organic. We expel the carbon and a plant recycles it yet

> > again. I am just asking because I do not know the chemistry of kefir

> > grains.

> >

> > ASH

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The sea water must be diluted so that a TDS (total dissolved solids)

meter would detect around 800ppm for a start. Less or more ppm may be

tolerated...experimentation id needed. Of that solution you would only

have to add 1 drop to make a change. Now mind you, I have not done

this with any kefir grains yet. I have had several people use ocean

on crops, gardens, pasture grass.

On initial planting with say a drill planter followed by a liquid

fertilizer...only a drop or two on the seed is needed for measurable

improvements in the measurable nutrient levels of produce or grass or

whatever the crop is. Keep in mind that an open pollinated seed will

take up many more minerals than a hydrid seed designed for growth on

NPK fertilizers.

Salt is not an issue especially when the water is diluted. This is

inorganic minerals needing bacteria for breakdown so a plant can take

it in. Predominately the bacteria in kefir is of the Genus

Lactobacillus. There are hundreds of bacteria, some of which may be

need for this to work in kefir that do not exist, so I do not know how

it would pan out.

If I were to try this I would need to locate a lab that could test

for mineral content with a control and and a test batch for several

generations to verify success or failure. You could take it further

and try to introduce bacteria of the genus bifidobacterium which I

believe to be a very important strain for various reasons and see if a

mineral uptake or change in growth is observable.

ASH

> >

> > > I don't know how your question applies to milk grains because of the

> > > specific diet of milk kefir grains, namely, milk. How would you get

> > > inorganic minerals in there to test it?

> > >

> > > Marilyn

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That's some good results. Minerals are the key in my opinion, but it

takes fungi, bacteria and yeasts to make the minerals work. You can

read about similiar results to yours in a book called Sea energy

Agriculture using ocean water on crops for the past 40 years.

As for milk kefir...depending on the amounts you ferment daily.

unless you are doing several gallons...just a drop or 2 in say a pint

to a quart of milk is adequate. ASny further talk on this by me will

be on the Off-Topic board here.

ASH

> >

> > The sea water must be diluted so that a TDS (total dissolved solids)

> > meter would detect around 800ppm for a start. Less or more ppm may be

> > tolerated...experimentation id needed. Of that solution you would only

> > have to add 1 drop to make a change. Now mind you, I have not done

> > this with any kefir grains yet. I have had several people use ocean

> > on crops, gardens, pasture grass.

> >

> > On initial planting with say a drill planter followed by a liquid

> > fertilizer...only a drop or two on the seed is needed for measurable

> > improvements in the measurable nutrient levels of produce or grass or

> > whatever the crop is. Keep in mind that an open pollinated seed will

> > take up many more minerals than a hydrid seed designed for growth on

> > NPK fertilizers.

> >

> > Salt is not an issue especially when the water is diluted. This is

> > inorganic minerals needing bacteria for breakdown so a plant can take

> > it in. Predominately the bacteria in kefir is of the Genus

> > Lactobacillus. There are hundreds of bacteria, some of which may be

> > need for this to work in kefir that do not exist, so I do not know how

> > it would pan out.

> >

> > If I were to try this I would need to locate a lab that could test

> > for mineral content with a control and and a test batch for several

> > generations to verify success or failure. You could take it further

> > and try to introduce bacteria of the genus bifidobacterium which I

> > believe to be a very important strain for various reasons and see if a

> > mineral uptake or change in growth is observable.

> >

> > ASH

> >

> >

>