Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressed

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Hello ,I saw your subject line & wanted to tell you, there are very many lovely people here who know what you are going through & will help you. Please don't lose hope; people can & do overcome this. 

My mother, in Surrey, also has this problem & I joined this group to help give her ideas. The people here are fantastic & my mother is now much better than she was. There are a lot of different ideas & some things work better for some people than others. I know it may sound odd to you, but so many people have found fungus to be a contributing factor, in that the fungus may be attracting the mites or the mites are causing co-infections which use the fungus. It must be well worth giving anti fungal treatments a go, along with your cleaning & treating with various things. 

Like so many other people, my mother found that going to her GP resulted in being diagnosed as delusional (she now has a nicer GP, though her GP does not really know how to treat her). It could be possible to ask your GP to prescribe some anti fungal drugs & see whether they help.

Anyway, I'll end now as there are lots of people here who care & will give you support, & are far more knowledgeable than I.Take care, remember you have friends here.

KrysOn 2 December 2011 16:50, christine french <karmakatmeow@...> wrote:

 

Dear all

Im new to the site ,hello and sorry we all have to be here!:-(

Though good theres a site to help each other!:-)

I need some help!

Live on my own with my wee old ill cat n have rented here three years n loved it until my problems started in july

My cat an indoor cat but caught fleas somehow in july

The flat got infested

Spent six weeks exhaustin myself tryin enviromentaly safe ways to get rid fleas,as well as gve cat program to sterilize fleas

I was bitten,used salt,bicarb soda,steamer,enviromental friendly flea spray,diatemeous earth then two lots spray oct n nov of permethrin with igr in it

The spray help a bit fleas nearly away

But had said for months as well as what looked like fleas were tiny black dots

All footwear infested

Crawlin sensation clothes

Permethrin shoes several times still bad bitten

Pinprick bites

Afectin my mental health now went on too long

Hooverin like mad lady

Washed all clothes 60 degree,have no dryer but still. Crawling

Pestcontrol say think bird mites

To give sample

But twice when spray permethrin i felt ill

N old cat sickness diareah for weeks

Pest people cant get to roof without scafolding but say can block holes in flat

And want to spray strong chemicals

My cat cannot be around anymore sprayin

I dont want it either

I have bad physical health

Fireplace in bedroom

Gunk fell from roof

Disgusting black stuff n bread pieces

Pest folk think nest in roof

Holes in roof

Heard birds between bedroom n roof partician

And cats ears realy infected

And itchy

Not clearing up

Tiny black dots

Have they infected my wee darling?

I put on one pair shoes

Every toe bitten

Tiny things

I pulled off

More apeared

It went on n on

Horific

Avoiding people

Csnt wear suede jackets

All boots shoes

Wear one boot

Washed disinfectant vinegar hairdrier twenty mins

Help a bit

Put cup vinegar in with wash

Not enough

Woll have to wash everything again

I read borax vinegar epsom salts good ammonia

Please help regard exactly how to treat shoes n clothes

I realise i have to leave here before i go crazy

Will leave all my furniture throw out

A lot of is wood

I hear thats no good with mites

But what if my clothes still affected

N my cat

She old kidney heart disease a lump

She cant take much chemicals now

I ripped al covers off my books

Are they safe?

Im ill over this n most people around me dont know whats wrong

Hid it from them

Feel like a leper with it

When in shoes or clothes v scared give other folk

One friend knows n said she itchy for week or so

I very scared id given her it

Cant even go friends house or hug goodbye

Getting fat comfort eating

N doctor gave valium as im so stressed

Is it posible to move safely

While im here id get them to hole up holes

Then up to landlord if he want to chemical spray or not

Dreading telling landlord

This was my home

Best place i ever lived

Until this hapened

I didnt want to leave

But with all my stuff infested

Cant cope

Please help

Worried for cat

Talkin to vet now to check swab ears

Scratching legs as i write

Even if they dont find mites in the sample

I know they are there

Hurts to talk to doctor n she sugest psychological help n says had anyone seen them

As if makin it up!!!!

My friend saw lot fleas in summer

N i know what going through with these tiny things

Whats the best way to treat my shoes

Cat

Flat(without chemicals)

Sorry this is so long

I really need someone to understand what im going through n help me

Im alone in this( have no family apart from cat)

I was strong at first

But struggling hugely to cope now,retiring to bed,but often get bitten,even though plastic covers

And whole rigmarole everything bagged,cleanin tea tree,clean feet when touch floor

Bitten in night examining bed

Bugsocks pesticide n insrcticide in boots

Its a nightmare

Hell

I despair when i read what others cope with also

How do you not have breakdowns

Thanks so much for listening

Grateful for any help

And any friends

As we go through these difficulties

Best wishes

C

--

I keep six honest serving-men

  (They taught me all I knew);

Their names are What and Why and When

  And How and Where and Who.

Rudyard Kipling

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-I have gotten through the infestation. I did move but the bugs moved with me, they are attracted to your body due to infections. Most have Lyme at the root as well as co-infections and opportunistic infections(often fungal). When I got treated for the infections the biting stopped 100% and eventually I didn't get the black specks on the skin, lint cocoons, etc. It took one year of aggressive treatment to resolve it. Now I am still treating my infections, but getting better. Most cats carry Bartonella which will take down your immune system, it usually is present with Lyme. There are a couple good Lyme literate doctors that know how to diagnose and treat all these infections in the UK, I don't know their names, but if you go to 's Eurolyme they can direct you.AandrayaOn Dec 2, 2011, at 4:50 PM, christine french wrote: Dear all Im new to the site ,hello and sorry we all have to be here!:-( Though good theres a site to help each other!:-) I need some help! Live on my own with my wee old ill cat n have rented here three years n loved it until my problems started in july My cat an indoor cat but caught fleas somehow in july The flat got infested Spent six weeks exhaustin myself tryin enviromentaly safe ways to get rid fleas,as well as gve cat program to sterilize fleas I was bitten,used salt,bicarb soda,steamer,enviromental friendly flea spray,diatemeous earth then two lots spray oct n nov of permethrin with igr in it The spray help a bit fleas nearly away But had said for months as well as what looked like fleas were tiny black dots All footwear infested Crawlin sensation clothes Permethrin shoes several times still bad bitten Pinprick bites Afectin my mental health now went on too long Hooverin like mad lady Washed all clothes 60 degree,have no dryer but still. Crawling Pestcontrol say think bird mites To give sample But twice when spray permethrin i felt ill N old cat sickness diareah for weeks Pest people cant get to roof without scafolding but say can block holes in flat And want to spray strong chemicals My cat cannot be around anymore sprayin I dont want it either I have bad physical health Fireplace in bedroom Gunk fell from roof Disgusting black stuff n bread pieces Pest folk think nest in roof Holes in roof Heard birds between bedroom n roof partician And cats ears realy infected And itchy Not clearing up Tiny black dots Have they infected my wee darling? I put on one pair shoes Every toe bitten Tiny things I pulled off More apeared It went on n on Horific Avoiding people Csnt wear suede jackets All boots shoes Wear one boot Washed disinfectant vinegar hairdrier twenty mins Help a bit Put cup vinegar in with wash Not enough Woll have to wash everything again I read borax vinegar epsom salts good ammonia Please help regard exactly how to treat shoes n clothes I realise i have to leave here before i go crazy Will leave all my furniture throw out A lot of is wood I hear thats no good with mites But what if my clothes still affected N my cat She old kidney heart disease a lump She cant take much chemicals now I ripped al covers off my books Are they safe? Im ill over this n most people around me dont know whats wrong Hid it from them Feel like a leper with it When in shoes or clothes v scared give other folk One friend knows n said she itchy for week or so I very scared id given her it Cant even go friends house or hug goodbye Getting fat comfort eating N doctor gave valium as im so stressed Is it posible to move safely While im here id get them to hole up holes Then up to landlord if he want to chemical spray or not Dreading telling landlord This was my home Best place i ever lived Until this hapened I didnt want to leave But with all my stuff infested Cant cope Please help Worried for cat Talkin to vet now to check swab ears Scratching legs as i write Even if they dont find mites in the sample I know they are there Hurts to talk to doctor n she sugest psychological help n says had anyone seen them As if makin it up!!!! My friend saw lot fleas in summer N i know what going through with these tiny things Whats the best way to treat my shoes Cat Flat(without chemicals) Sorry this is so long I really need someone to understand what im going through n help me Im alone in this( have no family apart from cat) I was strong at first But struggling hugely to cope now,retiring to bed,but often get bitten,even though plastic covers And whole rigmarole everything bagged,cleanin tea tree,clean feet when touch floor Bitten in night examining bed Bugsocks pesticide n insrcticide in boots Its a nightmare Hell I despair when i read what others cope with also How do you not have breakdowns Thanks so much for listening Grateful for any help And any friends As we go through these difficulties Best wishes C

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Where do you live ? I'm having an increase in carpal tunnel on right hand right now, so won't be able to type too much. Sounds very much like birdmites to me. Everything you describe I had. All of it. That was in 2008, April. If you can't find the source of the where the mites came in and if birds are still using that space, you will need to move. You have to remove the source of the infestation and if there are birds and/or nests there, they will continue to want to find another host (you). Whatever is nearest seems to get it, including your cat. I never found birdmites in our house, nor did pest control, but county pest control did find rodent droppings and we had been around birds quite a bit too. Something very weird is happening in nature right now that all of us are coming down with similar symptoms, usually gardening related or bird related, or sometimes related to some particular insect that bit us or came into our homes. Remember bees going through colony collapse syndrome? I think it is being caused by something, may be mite, might be something else that is killing certain things off.All the products you mentioned I used. If you choose to stay where you are maybe you could buy a fogger and some Cedarcide but the place where the infestation must be dealt with, then start to do internals quickly. Don't wait. I would start with bathing in Borax and Arm and Hammer and if they are mites on the outside or the body, this seems to start to kill them, while dealing with the environmental infestation too. They go internal so start taking MSM and start to alkalinize your internal system by improving your diet, eliminating sugars, anything artificial, getting your internal system in tip top shape. MMS also is an option if you have little money and that should be used in a bath too, 40 activated drops in a tub of water and soak whole body, head, etc. This should be done daily. Start taking MMS one drop at a time, activated, 3x/day and increasing dose each day by one drop. This starts to kill fungus and other microbes in the body.Keep cleaning and hoovering, change bag frequently and keep hoover outside if possible. If you have a bagless hoover, flush out the part that holds the dirt with hot hot water frequently. Get diatomaceous earth and spread it wherever you can because they don't seem to move well in DE and it may kill them. We had less movement with DE. On clothing, do you have a steam iron and ironing board? Iron your clothing during this time. I was a proponent of purchasing a steam press (like used in dry cleaners, only much smaller)... we purchased one and I steamed everything for a year, even small towels. It helps more than you can imagine. If these are birdmites, they hide during the day and come out mainly at night. They are microscopic, but try to get an ID if possible. I believe they are birdmites from the description.This is not a quick process so you will have to work on coping skills a lot. It was one of the worst times in our lives here. We tossed over half of our belongings and many here on this site moved, some multiple times, but ultimately after things start to be more or less under control, most people discover they have to work on internal measures because for some reason you were picked as a host and internal bacterias, fungi, etc., attract these particular mites to us. So you have to work on internals. Some found medications helpful - some developed or had pre-existing Lyme Disease (I did and many others) and now are working on those issues almost solely.I'd say pray often... keep it up. If this takes you to a place of fear, ask God for help. Many of us felt suicidal at the beginning... I felt like burning my townhouse down, but didn't. We removed all carpeting, sprayed and sprayed and kept spraying, cleaning, removing fungus and molds... unfortunately it is expensive all the clean up. Keep sharing and others will help you sort routines out.From: "christine french" <karmakatmeow@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 2:50:24 PMSubject: overwhelmed and terribly depressedDear allIm new to the site ,hello and sorry we all have to be here!:-(Though good theres a site to help each other!:-)I need some help!Live on my own with my wee old ill cat n have rented here three years n loved it until my problems started in julyMy cat an indoor cat but caught fleas somehow in julyThe flat got infestedSpent six weeks exhaustin myself tryin enviromentaly safe ways to get rid fleas,as well as gve cat program to sterilize fleasI was bitten,used salt,bicarb soda,steamer,enviromental friendly flea spray,diatemeous earth then two lots spray oct n nov of permethrin with igr in itThe spray help a bit fleas nearly awayBut had said for months as well as what looked like fleas were tiny black dotsAll footwear infestedCrawlin sensation clothesPermethrin shoes several times still bad bittenPinprick bitesAfectin my mental health now went on too longHooverin like mad ladyWashed all clothes 60 degree,have no dryer but still. CrawlingPestcontrol say think bird mitesTo give sampleBut twice when spray permethrin i felt illN old cat sickness diareah for weeksPest people cant get to roof without scafolding but say can block holes in flatAnd want to spray strong chemicalsMy cat cannot be around anymore sprayinI dont want it eitherI have bad physical healthFireplace in bedroomGunk fell from roofDisgusting black stuff n bread piecesPest folk think nest in roofHoles in roof Heard birds between bedroom n roof particianAnd cats ears realy infectedAnd itchyNot clearing upTiny black dotsHave they infected my wee darling?I put on one pair shoesEvery toe bittenTiny thingsI pulled offMore apearedIt went on n onHorificAvoiding peopleCsnt wear suede jacketsAll boots shoesWear one boot Washed disinfectant vinegar hairdrier twenty minsHelp a bitPut cup vinegar in with washNot enoughWoll have to wash everything againI read borax vinegar epsom salts good ammoniaPlease help regard exactly how to treat shoes n clothesI realise i have to leave here before i go crazyWill leave all my furniture throw outA lot of is wood I hear thats no good with mitesBut what if my clothes still affectedN my catShe old kidney heart disease a lumpShe cant take much chemicals nowI ripped al covers off my booksAre they safe?Im ill over this n most people around me dont know whats wrongHid it from themFeel like a leper with itWhen in shoes or clothes v scared give other folkOne friend knows n said she itchy for week or so I very scared id given her itCant even go friends house or hug goodbyeGetting fat comfort eatingN doctor gave valium as im so stressedIs it posible to move safelyWhile im here id get them to hole up holesThen up to landlord if he want to chemical spray or notDreading telling landlordThis was my homeBest place i ever livedUntil this hapenedI didnt want to leaveBut with all my stuff infestedCant copePlease helpWorried for catTalkin to vet now to check swab earsScratching legs as i writeEven if they dont find mites in the sampleI know they are thereHurts to talk to doctor n she sugest psychological help n says had anyone seen themAs if makin it up!!!!My friend saw lot fleas in summerN i know what going through with these tiny thingsWhats the best way to treat my shoesCatFlat(without chemicals)Sorry this is so longI really need someone to understand what im going through n help meIm alone in this( have no family apart from cat)I was strong at firstBut struggling hugely to cope now,retiring to bed,but often get bitten,even though plastic coversAnd whole rigmarole everything bagged,cleanin tea tree,clean feet when touch floorBitten in night examining bedBugsocks pesticide n insrcticide in bootsIts a nightmareHell I despair when i read what others cope with alsoHow do you not have breakdownsThanks so much for listeningGrateful for any helpAnd any friends As we go through these difficultiesBest wishesC------------------------------------

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I've also had candida for years christine, so work hard on that issue... it helps with the attraction of the mites to us. From: "christine french" <karmakatmeow@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 3:26:51 PMSubject: Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressedDear krysThank you for your swift reply and kind wordsA big part of this i being alone in it and helps to speak of the suffering and know im not aloneIm glad ur mum is better than she wasN thanks for tip re fungusI have had candida for years so will start on dida herbal fungal tablets from bootsAn probiotics againBest wishes C On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 23:17 GMT Krys Brennand wrote:>Hello ,>I saw your subject line & wanted to tell you, there are very many lovely>people here who know what you are going through & will help you. Please>don't lose hope; people can & do overcome this.>My mother, in Surrey, also has this problem & I joined this group to help>give her ideas. The people here are fantastic & my mother is now much>better than she was.>There are a lot of different ideas & some things work better for some>people than others. I know it may sound odd to you, but so many people have>found fungus to be a contributing factor, in that the fungus may be>attracting the mites or the mites are causing co-infections which use the>fungus. It must be well worth giving anti fungal treatments a go, along>with your cleaning & treating with various things.>Like so many other people, my mother found that going to her GP resulted in>being diagnosed as delusional (she now has a nicer GP, though her GP does>not really know how to treat her). It could be possible to ask your GP to>prescribe some anti fungal drugs & see whether they help.>Anyway, I'll end now as there are lots of people here who care & will give>you support, & are far more knowledgeable than I.>>Take care, remember you have friends here.>>Krys>>On 2 December 2011 16:50, christine french <karmakatmeow@...> wrote:>>>>>>> Dear all>> Im new to the site ,hello and sorry we all have to be here!:-(>> Though good theres a site to help each other!:-)>> I need some help!>> Live on my own with my wee old ill cat n have rented here three years n>> loved it until my problems started in july>> My cat an indoor cat but caught fleas somehow in july>> The flat got infested>>>> Spent six weeks exhaustin myself tryin enviromentaly safe ways to get rid>> fleas,as well as gve cat program to sterilize fleas>> I was bitten,used salt,bicarb soda,steamer,enviromental friendly flea>> spray,diatemeous earth then two lots spray oct n nov of permethrin with igr>> in it>> The spray help a bit fleas nearly away>> But had said for months as well as what looked like fleas were tiny black>> dots>>>> All footwear infested>> Crawlin sensation clothes>> Permethrin shoes several times still bad bitten>> Pinprick bites>> Afectin my mental health now went on too long>> Hooverin like mad lady>> Washed all clothes 60 degree,have no dryer but still. Crawling>> Pestcontrol say think bird mites>> To give sample>> But twice when spray permethrin i felt ill>> N old cat sickness diareah for weeks>> Pest people cant get to roof without scafolding but say can block holes in>> flat>> And want to spray strong chemicals>> My cat cannot be around anymore sprayin>> I dont want it either>> I have bad physical health>>>> Fireplace in bedroom>> Gunk fell from roof>> Disgusting black stuff n bread pieces>> Pest folk think nest in roof>> Holes in roof>> Heard birds between bedroom n roof partician>> And cats ears realy infected>> And itchy>> Not clearing up>> Tiny black dots>> Have they infected my wee darling?>> I put on one pair shoes>> Every toe bitten>> Tiny things>> I pulled off>> More apeared>> It went on n on>> Horific>> Avoiding people>> Csnt wear suede jackets>> All boots shoes>> Wear one boot>> Washed disinfectant vinegar hairdrier twenty mins>> Help a bit>> Put cup vinegar in with wash>> Not enough>> Woll have to wash everything again>> I read borax vinegar epsom salts good ammonia>> Please help regard exactly how to treat shoes n clothes>> I realise i have to leave here before i go crazy>> Will leave all my furniture throw out>> A lot of is wood>> I hear thats no good with mites>> But what if my clothes still affected>> N my cat>> She old kidney heart disease a lump>> She cant take much chemicals now>> I ripped al covers off my books>> Are they safe?>> Im ill over this n most people around me dont know whats wrong>> Hid it from them>> Feel like a leper with it>> When in shoes or clothes v scared give other folk>> One friend knows n said she itchy for week or so>> I very scared id given her it>> Cant even go friends house or hug goodbye>> Getting fat comfort eating>> N doctor gave valium as im so stressed>> Is it posible to move safely>> While im here id get them to hole up holes>> Then up to landlord if he want to chemical spray or not>> Dreading telling landlord>> This was my home>> Best place i ever lived>> Until this hapened>> I didnt want to leave>> But with all my stuff infested>> Cant cope>> Please help>> Worried for cat>> Talkin to vet now to check swab ears>> Scratching legs as i write>> Even if they dont find mites in the sample>> I know they are there>> Hurts to talk to doctor n she sugest psychological help n says had anyone>> seen them>> As if makin it up!!!!>> My friend saw lot fleas in summer>> N i know what going through with these tiny things>> Whats the best way to treat my shoes>> Cat>> Flat(without chemicals)>> Sorry this is so long>> I really need someone to understand what im going through n help me>> Im alone in this( have no family apart from cat)>> I was strong at first>> But struggling hugely to cope now,retiring to bed,but often get>> bitten,even though plastic covers>> And whole rigmarole everything bagged,cleanin tea tree,clean feet when>> touch floor>> Bitten in night examining bed>> Bugsocks pesticide n insrcticide in boots>> Its a nightmare>> Hell>> I despair when i read what others cope with also>> How do you not have breakdowns>> Thanks so much for listening>> Grateful for any help>> And any friends>> As we go through these difficulties>> Best wishes>> C>>>> >>>>>>-- >>I keep six honest serving-men> (They taught me all I knew);>Their names are What and Why and When> And How and Where and Who.>>*Rudyard Kipling*------------------------------------

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Really good advice. You might want to consider moving if you can't do a lot of the environmental clean up. If you live in Great Britain it most likely has mold issues because of the dampness... it is so hard to move when we have loved a place as you do. The sooner you can start treating internally the better.From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 4:22:20 PMSubject: Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressed

-I have gotten through the infestation. I did move but the bugs moved with me, they are attracted to your body due to infections. Most have Lyme at the root as well as co-infections and opportunistic infections(often fungal). When I got treated for the infections the biting stopped 100% and eventually I didn't get the black specks on the skin, lint cocoons, etc. It took one year of aggressive treatment to resolve it. Now I am still treating my infections, but getting better. Most cats carry Bartonella which will take down your immune system, it usually is present with Lyme. There are a couple good Lyme literate doctors that know how to diagnose and treat all these infections in the UK, I don't know their names, but if you go to 's Eurolyme they can direct you.AandrayaOn Dec 2, 2011, at 4:50 PM, christine french wrote: Dear all Im new to the site ,hello and sorry we all have to be here!:-( Though good theres a site to help each other!:-) I need some help! Live on my own with my wee old ill cat n have rented here three years n loved it until my problems started in july My cat an indoor cat but caught fleas somehow in july The flat got infested Spent six weeks exhaustin myself tryin enviromentaly safe ways to get rid fleas,as well as gve cat program to sterilize fleas I was bitten,used salt,bicarb soda,steamer,enviromental friendly flea spray,diatemeous earth then two lots spray oct n nov of permethrin with igr in it The spray help a bit fleas nearly away But had said for months as well as what looked like fleas were tiny black dots All footwear infested Crawlin sensation clothes Permethrin shoes several times still bad bitten Pinprick bites Afectin my mental health now went on too long Hooverin like mad lady Washed all clothes 60 degree,have no dryer but still. Crawling Pestcontrol say think bird mites To give sample But twice when spray permethrin i felt ill N old cat sickness diareah for weeks Pest people cant get to roof without scafolding but say can block holes in flat And want to spray strong chemicals My cat cannot be around anymore sprayin I dont want it either I have bad physical health Fireplace in bedroom Gunk fell from roof Disgusting black stuff n bread pieces Pest folk think nest in roof Holes in roof Heard birds between bedroom n roof partician And cats ears realy infected And itchy Not clearing up Tiny black dots Have they infected my wee darling? I put on one pair shoes Every toe bitten Tiny things I pulled off More apeared It went on n on Horific Avoiding people Csnt wear suede jackets All boots shoes Wear one boot Washed disinfectant vinegar hairdrier twenty mins Help a bit Put cup vinegar in with wash Not enough Woll have to wash everything again I read borax vinegar epsom salts good ammonia Please help regard exactly how to treat shoes n clothes I realise i have to leave here before i go crazy Will leave all my furniture throw out A lot of is wood I hear thats no good with mites But what if my clothes still affected N my cat She old kidney heart disease a lump She cant take much chemicals now I ripped al covers off my books Are they safe? Im ill over this n most people around me dont know whats wrong Hid it from them Feel like a leper with it When in shoes or clothes v scared give other folk One friend knows n said she itchy for week or so I very scared id given her it Cant even go friends house or hug goodbye Getting fat comfort eating N doctor gave valium as im so stressed Is it posible to move safely While im here id get them to hole up holes Then up to landlord if he want to chemical spray or not Dreading telling landlord This was my home Best place i ever lived Until this hapened I didnt want to leave But with all my stuff infested Cant cope Please help Worried for cat Talkin to vet now to check swab ears Scratching legs as i write Even if they dont find mites in the sample I know they are there Hurts to talk to doctor n she sugest psychological help n says had anyone seen them As if makin it up!!!! My friend saw lot fleas in summer N i know what going through with these tiny things Whats the best way to treat my shoes Cat Flat(without chemicals) Sorry this is so long I really need someone to understand what im going through n help me Im alone in this( have no family apart from cat) I was strong at first But struggling hugely to cope now,retiring to bed,but often get bitten,even though plastic covers And whole rigmarole everything bagged,cleanin tea tree,clean feet when touch floor Bitten in night examining bed Bugsocks pesticide n insrcticide in boots Its a nightmare Hell I despair when i read what others cope with also How do you not have breakdowns Thanks so much for listening Grateful for any help And any friends As we go through these difficulties Best wishes C

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Dear C,

I really feel for you. I had similar problems starting in July too. What

helped us was drinking apple cider vinegar in water many times a day. I also

drank water with baking soda (1tsp) and borax (1/8th tsp) mixed with 26 oz of

water, for 3 days, then off the borax for 2 days (did this for a month). I ran

a dehumidifier all the time. I used a zapper on my cat and myself. The zapper

was a little expensive, but it really worked. I am still using it, I feel them

hit me, but no more bites. It is much more difficult to get the cat clear of

them. My cat is old, and I fed her a little food grade DE in her cat food, plus

a little vinegar/water. I am no longer bothered by them, but I feel them when I

go into closets. I had my ducts cleaned but still seem to sweep up debris. I

have not moved, but I think it may be a fungal infection that attracts these

mites.

Hope this helps,

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> Dear all

> Im new to the site ,hello and sorry we all have to be here!:-(

> Though good theres a site to help each other!:-)

> I need some help!

> Live on my own with my wee old ill cat n have rented here three years n loved

it until my problems started in july

> My cat an indoor cat but caught fleas somehow in july

> The flat got infested

>

> Spent six weeks exhaustin myself tryin enviromentaly safe ways to get rid

fleas,as well as gve cat program to sterilize fleas

> I was bitten,used salt,bicarb soda,steamer,enviromental friendly flea

spray,diatemeous earth then two lots spray oct n nov of permethrin with igr in

it

> The spray help a bit fleas nearly away

> But had said for months as well as what looked like fleas were tiny black dots

>

> All footwear infested

> Crawlin sensation clothes

> Permethrin shoes several times still bad bitten

> Pinprick bites

> Afectin my mental health now went on too long

> Hooverin like mad lady

> Washed all clothes 60 degree,have no dryer but still. Crawling

> Pestcontrol say think bird mites

> To give sample

> But twice when spray permethrin i felt ill

> N old cat sickness diareah for weeks

> Pest people cant get to roof without scafolding but say can block holes in

flat

> And want to spray strong chemicals

> My cat cannot be around anymore sprayin

> I dont want it either

> I have bad physical health

>

> Fireplace in bedroom

> Gunk fell from roof

> Disgusting black stuff n bread pieces

> Pest folk think nest in roof

> Holes in roof

> Heard birds between bedroom n roof partician

> And cats ears realy infected

> And itchy

> Not clearing up

> Tiny black dots

> Have they infected my wee darling?

> I put on one pair shoes

> Every toe bitten

> Tiny things

> I pulled off

> More apeared

> It went on n on

> Horific

> Avoiding people

> Csnt wear suede jackets

> All boots shoes

> Wear one boot

> Washed disinfectant vinegar hairdrier twenty mins

> Help a bit

> Put cup vinegar in with wash

> Not enough

> Woll have to wash everything again

> I read borax vinegar epsom salts good ammonia

> Please help regard exactly how to treat shoes n clothes

> I realise i have to leave here before i go crazy

> Will leave all my furniture throw out

> A lot of is wood

> I hear thats no good with mites

> But what if my clothes still affected

> N my cat

> She old kidney heart disease a lump

> She cant take much chemicals now

> I ripped al covers off my books

> Are they safe?

> Im ill over this n most people around me dont know whats wrong

> Hid it from them

> Feel like a leper with it

> When in shoes or clothes v scared give other folk

> One friend knows n said she itchy for week or so

> I very scared id given her it

> Cant even go friends house or hug goodbye

> Getting fat comfort eating

> N doctor gave valium as im so stressed

> Is it posible to move safely

> While im here id get them to hole up holes

> Then up to landlord if he want to chemical spray or not

> Dreading telling landlord

> This was my home

> Best place i ever lived

> Until this hapened

> I didnt want to leave

> But with all my stuff infested

> Cant cope

> Please help

> Worried for cat

> Talkin to vet now to check swab ears

> Scratching legs as i write

> Even if they dont find mites in the sample

> I know they are there

> Hurts to talk to doctor n she sugest psychological help n says had anyone seen

them

> As if makin it up!!!!

> My friend saw lot fleas in summer

> N i know what going through with these tiny things

> Whats the best way to treat my shoes

> Cat

> Flat(without chemicals)

> Sorry this is so long

> I really need someone to understand what im going through n help me

> Im alone in this( have no family apart from cat)

> I was strong at first

> But struggling hugely to cope now,retiring to bed,but often get bitten,even

though plastic covers

> And whole rigmarole everything bagged,cleanin tea tree,clean feet when touch

floor

> Bitten in night examining bed

> Bugsocks pesticide n insrcticide in boots

> Its a nightmare

> Hell

> I despair when i read what others cope with also

> How do you not have breakdowns

> Thanks so much for listening

> Grateful for any help

> And any friends

> As we go through these difficulties

> Best wishes

> C

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you aandraya

I will try best build immune system up

I have to leave as council say they cant get into roof so block up holes not

enough

Was it not easier to rid infestation in new property

Will i have get rid all my clothes n beddin n books?

This realy is horendous

What hapened in ur new property did u resolve it?

Thanks

C

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 00:22 GMT Aandraya Da Silva wrote:

>-

>

>I have gotten through the infestation. I did move but the bugs moved with me,

they are attracted to your body due to infections. Most have Lyme at the root

as well as co-infections and opportunistic infections(often fungal). When I got

treated for the infections the biting stopped 100% and eventually I didn't get

the black specks on the skin, lint cocoons, etc. It took one year of aggressive

treatment to resolve it. Now I am still treating my infections, but getting

better. Most cats carry Bartonella which will take down your immune system, it

usually is present with Lyme. There are a couple good Lyme literate doctors

that know how to diagnose and treat all these infections in the UK, I don't know

their names, but if you go to 's Eurolyme they can direct you.

>

>Aandraya

>

>

>On Dec 2, 2011, at 4:50 PM, christine french wrote:

>

>> Dear all

>> Im new to the site ,hello and sorry we all have to be here!:-(

>> Though good theres a site to help each other!:-)

>> I need some help!

>> Live on my own with my wee old ill cat n have rented here three years n loved

it until my problems started in july

>> My cat an indoor cat but caught fleas somehow in july

>> The flat got infested

>>

>> Spent six weeks exhaustin myself tryin enviromentaly safe ways to get rid

fleas,as well as gve cat program to sterilize fleas

>> I was bitten,used salt,bicarb soda,steamer,enviromental friendly flea

spray,diatemeous earth then two lots spray oct n nov of permethrin with igr in

it

>> The spray help a bit fleas nearly away

>> But had said for months as well as what looked like fleas were tiny black

dots

>>

>> All footwear infested

>> Crawlin sensation clothes

>> Permethrin shoes several times still bad bitten

>> Pinprick bites

>> Afectin my mental health now went on too long

>> Hooverin like mad lady

>> Washed all clothes 60 degree,have no dryer but still. Crawling

>> Pestcontrol say think bird mites

>> To give sample

>> But twice when spray permethrin i felt ill

>> N old cat sickness diareah for weeks

>> Pest people cant get to roof without scafolding but say can block holes in

flat

>> And want to spray strong chemicals

>> My cat cannot be around anymore sprayin

>> I dont want it either

>> I have bad physical health

>>

>> Fireplace in bedroom

>> Gunk fell from roof

>> Disgusting black stuff n bread pieces

>> Pest folk think nest in roof

>> Holes in roof

>> Heard birds between bedroom n roof partician

>> And cats ears realy infected

>> And itchy

>> Not clearing up

>> Tiny black dots

>> Have they infected my wee darling?

>> I put on one pair shoes

>> Every toe bitten

>> Tiny things

>> I pulled off

>> More apeared

>> It went on n on

>> Horific

>> Avoiding people

>> Csnt wear suede jackets

>> All boots shoes

>> Wear one boot

>> Washed disinfectant vinegar hairdrier twenty mins

>> Help a bit

>> Put cup vinegar in with wash

>> Not enough

>> Woll have to wash everything again

>> I read borax vinegar epsom salts good ammonia

>> Please help regard exactly how to treat shoes n clothes

>> I realise i have to leave here before i go crazy

>> Will leave all my furniture throw out

>> A lot of is wood

>> I hear thats no good with mites

>> But what if my clothes still affected

>> N my cat

>> She old kidney heart disease a lump

>> She cant take much chemicals now

>> I ripped al covers off my books

>> Are they safe?

>> Im ill over this n most people around me dont know whats wrong

>> Hid it from them

>> Feel like a leper with it

>> When in shoes or clothes v scared give other folk

>> One friend knows n said she itchy for week or so

>> I very scared id given her it

>> Cant even go friends house or hug goodbye

>> Getting fat comfort eating

>> N doctor gave valium as im so stressed

>> Is it posible to move safely

>> While im here id get them to hole up holes

>> Then up to landlord if he want to chemical spray or not

>> Dreading telling landlord

>> This was my home

>> Best place i ever lived

>> Until this hapened

>> I didnt want to leave

>> But with all my stuff infested

>> Cant cope

>> Please help

>> Worried for cat

>> Talkin to vet now to check swab ears

>> Scratching legs as i write

>> Even if they dont find mites in the sample

>> I know they are there

>> Hurts to talk to doctor n she sugest psychological help n says had anyone

seen them

>> As if makin it up!!!!

>> My friend saw lot fleas in summer

>> N i know what going through with these tiny things

>> Whats the best way to treat my shoes

>> Cat

>> Flat(without chemicals)

>> Sorry this is so long

>> I really need someone to understand what im going through n help me

>> Im alone in this( have no family apart from cat)

>> I was strong at first

>> But struggling hugely to cope now,retiring to bed,but often get bitten,even

though plastic covers

>> And whole rigmarole everything bagged,cleanin tea tree,clean feet when touch

floor

>> Bitten in night examining bed

>> Bugsocks pesticide n insrcticide in boots

>> Its a nightmare

>> Hell

>> I despair when i read what others cope with also

>> How do you not have breakdowns

>> Thanks so much for listening

>> Grateful for any help

>> And any friends

>> As we go through these difficulties

>> Best wishes

>> C

>>

>>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks linda

I live scotland

Someone just said to me must be my fault that my house must be dirty to have had

fleas then mites.

I was v upset said this can hapen to anyone

....yeah but why you?

I said....fungal infections atract the mites

....i got told im crazy n need a psychistrist!!!

Some people are stupid ignorant v awful actually

Unbelievable

I got told it must be my fault!!!!!

I was in tears naturaly!:-(

Oh thanks for advice,shall need look up many things u mentioned

Yes they worse at night

Cats ears realy bothering her but thought it fleas even though she had flea

sterilization tablets five months

Put diatemeous earth on her ears every day

Clean hibiscrub dilute n vinegar

Do best i can with her poor soul

An washed everythin 60 degree but stil no enough

Will have to move as council will not put scafold up to demolish n get imto roof

cavity

Not enough blockin up holes

But what is it safe to bring

What if cat infects new place

Think all shoes boots have to be thrown out

They badly infested

Is there a way to cure them?

Scared to bring clothes bedding

Incase infest

Will i have to wash everything again before i take it in borax?

But i dry hanging up in my flat

So what point as get infested hangin up

Would it be safe to bag n bring new property

N wash one at a time?

Also worried re sample

If they dont id it landlord etc prob wont take me seriously

Its just awful

Glad to know others like you have recovered

N understand

Thanks

C

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 00:38 GMT Goldstein@... wrote:

>Where do you live ? I'm having an increase in carpal tunnel on right

hand right now, so won't be able to type too much. Sounds very much like

birdmites to me. Everything you describe I had. All of it. That was in 2008,

April. If you can't find the source of the where the mites came in and if birds

are still using that space, you will need to move. You have to remove the source

of the infestation and if there are birds and/or nests there, they will continue

to want to find another host (you). Whatever is nearest seems to get it,

including your cat. I never found birdmites in our house, nor did pest control,

but county pest control did find rodent droppings and we had been around birds

quite a bit too. Something very weird is happening in nature right now that all

of us are coming down with similar symptoms, usually gardening related or bird

related, or sometimes related to some particular insect that bit us or came into

our homes. Remember bees

going through colony collapse syndrome? I think it is being caused by

something, may be mite, might be something else that is killing certain things

off.

>

>

>All the products you mentioned I used. If you choose to stay where you are

maybe you could buy a fogger and some Cedarcide but the place where the

infestation must be dealt with, then start to do internals quickly. Don't wait.

I would start with bathing in Borax and Arm and Hammer and if they are mites on

the outside or the body, this seems to start to kill them, while dealing with

the environmental infestation too. They go internal so start taking MSM and

start to alkalinize your internal system by improving your diet, eliminating

sugars, anything artificial, getting your internal system in tip top shape. MMS

also is an option if you have little money and that should be used in a bath

too, 40 activated drops in a tub of water and soak whole body, head, etc. This

should be done daily. Start taking MMS one drop at a time, activated, 3x/day and

increasing dose each day by one drop. This starts to kill fungus and other

microbes in the body.

>

>

>Keep cleaning and hoovering, change bag frequently and keep hoover outside if

possible. If you have a bagless hoover, flush out the part that holds the dirt

with hot hot water frequently. Get diatomaceous earth and spread it wherever you

can because they don't seem to move well in DE and it may kill them. We had less

movement with DE. On clothing, do you have a steam iron and ironing board? Iron

your clothing during this time. I was a proponent of purchasing a steam press

(like used in dry cleaners, only much smaller)... we purchased one and I steamed

everything for a year, even small towels. It helps more than you can imagine. If

these are birdmites, they hide during the day and come out mainly at night. They

are microscopic, but try to get an ID if possible. I believe they are birdmites

from the description.

>

>

>This is not a quick process so you will have to work on coping skills a lot. It

was one of the worst times in our lives here. We tossed over half of our

belongings and many here on this site moved, some multiple times, but ultimately

after things start to be more or less under control, most people discover they

have to work on internal measures because for some reason you were picked as a

host and internal bacterias, fungi, etc., attract these particular mites to us.

So you have to work on internals. Some found medications helpful - some

developed or had pre-existing Lyme Disease (I did and many others) and now are

working on those issues almost solely.

>

>

>I'd say pray often... keep it up. If this takes you to a place of fear, ask God

for help. Many of us felt suicidal at the beginning... I felt like burning my

townhouse down, but didn't. We removed all carpeting, sprayed and sprayed and

kept spraying, cleaning, removing fungus and molds... unfortunately it is

expensive all the clean up. Keep sharing and others will help you sort routines

out.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> overwhelmed and terribly depressed

>

>Dear all

>Im new to the site ,hello and sorry we all have to be here!:-(

>Though good theres a site to help each other!:-)

>I need some help!

>Live on my own with my wee old ill cat n have rented here three years n loved

it until my problems started in july

>My cat an indoor cat but caught fleas somehow in july

>The flat got infested

>

>Spent six weeks exhaustin myself tryin enviromentaly safe ways to get rid

fleas,as well as gve cat program to sterilize fleas

>I was bitten,used salt,bicarb soda,steamer,enviromental friendly flea

spray,diatemeous earth then two lots spray oct n nov of permethrin with igr in

it

>The spray help a bit fleas nearly away

>But had said for months as well as what looked like fleas were tiny black dots

>

>All footwear infested

>Crawlin sensation clothes

>Permethrin shoes several times still bad bitten

>Pinprick bites

>Afectin my mental health now went on too long

>Hooverin like mad lady

>Washed all clothes 60 degree,have no dryer but still. Crawling

>Pestcontrol say think bird mites

>To give sample

>But twice when spray permethrin i felt ill

>N old cat sickness diareah for weeks

>Pest people cant get to roof without scafolding but say can block holes in flat

>And want to spray strong chemicals

>My cat cannot be around anymore sprayin

>I dont want it either

>I have bad physical health

>

>Fireplace in bedroom

>Gunk fell from roof

>Disgusting black stuff n bread pieces

>Pest folk think nest in roof

>Holes in roof

>Heard birds between bedroom n roof partician

>And cats ears realy infected

>And itchy

>Not clearing up

>Tiny black dots

>Have they infected my wee darling?

>I put on one pair shoes

>Every toe bitten

>Tiny things

>I pulled off

>More apeared

>It went on n on

>Horific

>Avoiding people

>Csnt wear suede jackets

>All boots shoes

>Wear one boot

>Washed disinfectant vinegar hairdrier twenty mins

>Help a bit

>Put cup vinegar in with wash

>Not enough

>Woll have to wash everything again

>I read borax vinegar epsom salts good ammonia

>Please help regard exactly how to treat shoes n clothes

>I realise i have to leave here before i go crazy

>Will leave all my furniture throw out

>A lot of is wood

>I hear thats no good with mites

>But what if my clothes still affected

>N my cat

>She old kidney heart disease a lump

>She cant take much chemicals now

>I ripped al covers off my books

>Are they safe?

>Im ill over this n most people around me dont know whats wrong

>Hid it from them

>Feel like a leper with it

>When in shoes or clothes v scared give other folk

>One friend knows n said she itchy for week or so

>I very scared id given her it

>Cant even go friends house or hug goodbye

>Getting fat comfort eating

>N doctor gave valium as im so stressed

>Is it posible to move safely

>While im here id get them to hole up holes

>Then up to landlord if he want to chemical spray or not

>Dreading telling landlord

>This was my home

>Best place i ever lived

>Until this hapened

>I didnt want to leave

>But with all my stuff infested

>Cant cope

>Please help

>Worried for cat

>Talkin to vet now to check swab ears

>Scratching legs as i write

>Even if they dont find mites in the sample

>I know they are there

>Hurts to talk to doctor n she sugest psychological help n says had anyone seen

them

>As if makin it up!!!!

>My friend saw lot fleas in summer

>N i know what going through with these tiny things

>Whats the best way to treat my shoes

>Cat

>Flat(without chemicals)

>Sorry this is so long

>I really need someone to understand what im going through n help me

>Im alone in this( have no family apart from cat)

>I was strong at first

>But struggling hugely to cope now,retiring to bed,but often get bitten,even

though plastic covers

>And whole rigmarole everything bagged,cleanin tea tree,clean feet when touch

floor

>Bitten in night examining bed

>Bugsocks pesticide n insrcticide in boots

>Its a nightmare

>Hell

>I despair when i read what others cope with also

>How do you not have breakdowns

>Thanks so much for listening

>Grateful for any help

>And any friends

>As we go through these difficulties

>Best wishes

>C

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks linda

You know the person who was nasty was my father!!!

They are not nice people

Hence only true family my cat

They intolerant

I was alergic to their smoking as a child

Got mucus fungus infections

Always easy prey

Then candida

Severe endometriosis

Now this

I left my last home because bad people in my neighbourhood

N someone on drugs kicked my door down in middle of night

So i invaded by humans

But got nice flat here,beautiful view of the sea,quiet safe gentle place for the

first time in my life

And then im bein forced to leave not by humans but by arachnids

Family cruel

Ignorant

No suport there

I cant believe this is hapening linda

Its just so hard

Awful:-(

C

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 00:43 GMT Goldstein@... wrote:

>Really good advice. You might want to consider moving if you can't do a lot of

the environmental clean up. If you live in Great Britain it most likely has mold

issues because of the dampness... it is so hard to move when we have loved a

place as you do. The sooner you can start treating internally the better.

>

>

>

>

> Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressed

>

>

>

>-

>

>

>I have gotten through the infestation. I did move but the bugs moved with me,

they are attracted to your body due to infections. Most have Lyme at the root as

well as co-infections and opportunistic infections(often fungal). When I got

treated for the infections the biting stopped 100% and eventually I didn't get

the black specks on the skin, lint cocoons, etc. It took one year of aggressive

treatment to resolve it. Now I am still treating my infections, but getting

better. Most cats carry Bartonella which will take down your immune system, it

usually is present with Lyme. There are a couple good Lyme literate doctors that

know how to diagnose and treat all these infections in the UK, I don't know

their names, but if you go to 's Eurolyme they can direct you.

>

>

>Aandraya

>

>

>

>

>

>On Dec 2, 2011, at 4:50 PM, christine french wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

>Dear all

>Im new to the site ,hello and sorry we all have to be here!:-(

>Though good theres a site to help each other!:-)

>I need some help!

>Live on my own with my wee old ill cat n have rented here three years n loved

it until my problems started in july

>My cat an indoor cat but caught fleas somehow in july

>The flat got infested

>

>Spent six weeks exhaustin myself tryin enviromentaly safe ways to get rid

fleas,as well as gve cat program to sterilize fleas

>I was bitten,used salt,bicarb soda,steamer,enviromental friendly flea

spray,diatemeous earth then two lots spray oct n nov of permethrin with igr in

it

>The spray help a bit fleas nearly away

>But had said for months as well as what looked like fleas were tiny black dots

>

>All footwear infested

>Crawlin sensation clothes

>Permethrin shoes several times still bad bitten

>Pinprick bites

>Afectin my mental health now went on too long

>Hooverin like mad lady

>Washed all clothes 60 degree,have no dryer but still. Crawling

>Pestcontrol say think bird mites

>To give sample

>But twice when spray permethrin i felt ill

>N old cat sickness diareah for weeks

>Pest people cant get to roof without scafolding but say can block holes in flat

>And want to spray strong chemicals

>My cat cannot be around anymore sprayin

>I dont want it either

>I have bad physical health

>

>Fireplace in bedroom

>Gunk fell from roof

>Disgusting black stuff n bread pieces

>Pest folk think nest in roof

>Holes in roof

>Heard birds between bedroom n roof partician

>And cats ears realy infected

>And itchy

>Not clearing up

>Tiny black dots

>Have they infected my wee darling?

>I put on one pair shoes

>Every toe bitten

>Tiny things

>I pulled off

>More apeared

>It went on n on

>Horific

>Avoiding people

>Csnt wear suede jackets

>All boots shoes

>Wear one boot

>Washed disinfectant vinegar hairdrier twenty mins

>Help a bit

>Put cup vinegar in with wash

>Not enough

>Woll have to wash everything again

>I read borax vinegar epsom salts good ammonia

>Please help regard exactly how to treat shoes n clothes

>I realise i have to leave here before i go crazy

>Will leave all my furniture throw out

>A lot of is wood

>I hear thats no good with mites

>But what if my clothes still affected

>N my cat

>She old kidney heart disease a lump

>She cant take much chemicals now

>I ripped al covers off my books

>Are they safe?

>Im ill over this n most people around me dont know whats wrong

>Hid it from them

>Feel like a leper with it

>When in shoes or clothes v scared give other folk

>One friend knows n said she itchy for week or so

>I very scared id given her it

>Cant even go friends house or hug goodbye

>Getting fat comfort eating

>N doctor gave valium as im so stressed

>Is it posible to move safely

>While im here id get them to hole up holes

>Then up to landlord if he want to chemical spray or not

>Dreading telling landlord

>This was my home

>Best place i ever lived

>Until this hapened

>I didnt want to leave

>But with all my stuff infested

>Cant cope

>Please help

>Worried for cat

>Talkin to vet now to check swab ears

>Scratching legs as i write

>Even if they dont find mites in the sample

>I know they are there

>Hurts to talk to doctor n she sugest psychological help n says had anyone seen

them

>As if makin it up!!!!

>My friend saw lot fleas in summer

>N i know what going through with these tiny things

>Whats the best way to treat my shoes

>Cat

>Flat(without chemicals)

>Sorry this is so long

>I really need someone to understand what im going through n help me

>Im alone in this( have no family apart from cat)

>I was strong at first

>But struggling hugely to cope now,retiring to bed,but often get bitten,even

though plastic covers

>And whole rigmarole everything bagged,cleanin tea tree,clean feet when touch

floor

>Bitten in night examining bed

>Bugsocks pesticide n insrcticide in boots

>Its a nightmare

>Hell

>I despair when i read what others cope with also

>How do you not have breakdowns

>Thanks so much for listening

>Grateful for any help

>And any friends

>As we go through these difficulties

>Best wishes

>C

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks claire

I will get borax n acvinegar

Give wee karma acv

But she nearly 19

Together 18years

Wonderful wee girl full of love for her mama

I thought it fleas even though on program five months now

N diatemous earth ears

Now know it isnt tiny fleas!

She had sickness diareah for weeks eveey time sprayed permethrin

Heart braking

Obviously she not here when spray but afected her

She very sensitive

To everythin

Like her mama

Chemicals dont agree

Im worried what if cant cure her

Would she infest other flat?

Friends say put her down

But though many health problems

She still eatin n enjoys food

Shr awake at night with her ears bothering her

Though i clean them nearly every day

Poor soul as hasnt got long on this earth

N this been the worst six month of her life

I wanted her last times on earth peaceful

N full of love

Not fleas

Sorted them

Then mites

N a distressed mummy

I know you will understand having an old cat yourself!:-(

C

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 01:29 GMT minnesota_granny wrote:

>Dear C,

>I really feel for you. I had similar problems starting in July too. What

helped us was drinking apple cider vinegar in water many times a day. I also

drank water with baking soda (1tsp) and borax (1/8th tsp) mixed with 26 oz of

water, for 3 days, then off the borax for 2 days (did this for a month). I ran

a dehumidifier all the time. I used a zapper on my cat and myself. The zapper

was a little expensive, but it really worked. I am still using it, I feel them

hit me, but no more bites. It is much more difficult to get the cat clear of

them. My cat is old, and I fed her a little food grade DE in her cat food, plus

a little vinegar/water. I am no longer bothered by them, but I feel them when I

go into closets. I had my ducts cleaned but still seem to sweep up debris. I

have not moved, but I think it may be a fungal infection that attracts these

mites.

>Hope this helps,

>

>

>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Dear all

>> Im new to the site ,hello and sorry we all have to be here!:-(

>> Though good theres a site to help each other!:-)

>> I need some help!

>> Live on my own with my wee old ill cat n have rented here three years n loved

it until my problems started in july

>> My cat an indoor cat but caught fleas somehow in july

>> The flat got infested

>>

>> Spent six weeks exhaustin myself tryin enviromentaly safe ways to get rid

fleas,as well as gve cat program to sterilize fleas

>> I was bitten,used salt,bicarb soda,steamer,enviromental friendly flea

spray,diatemeous earth then two lots spray oct n nov of permethrin with igr in

it

>> The spray help a bit fleas nearly away

>> But had said for months as well as what looked like fleas were tiny black

dots

>>

>> All footwear infested

>> Crawlin sensation clothes

>> Permethrin shoes several times still bad bitten

>> Pinprick bites

>> Afectin my mental health now went on too long

>> Hooverin like mad lady

>> Washed all clothes 60 degree,have no dryer but still. Crawling

>> Pestcontrol say think bird mites

>> To give sample

>> But twice when spray permethrin i felt ill

>> N old cat sickness diareah for weeks

>> Pest people cant get to roof without scafolding but say can block holes in

flat

>> And want to spray strong chemicals

>> My cat cannot be around anymore sprayin

>> I dont want it either

>> I have bad physical health

>>

>> Fireplace in bedroom

>> Gunk fell from roof

>> Disgusting black stuff n bread pieces

>> Pest folk think nest in roof

>> Holes in roof

>> Heard birds between bedroom n roof partician

>> And cats ears realy infected

>> And itchy

>> Not clearing up

>> Tiny black dots

>> Have they infected my wee darling?

>> I put on one pair shoes

>> Every toe bitten

>> Tiny things

>> I pulled off

>> More apeared

>> It went on n on

>> Horific

>> Avoiding people

>> Csnt wear suede jackets

>> All boots shoes

>> Wear one boot

>> Washed disinfectant vinegar hairdrier twenty mins

>> Help a bit

>> Put cup vinegar in with wash

>> Not enough

>> Woll have to wash everything again

>> I read borax vinegar epsom salts good ammonia

>> Please help regard exactly how to treat shoes n clothes

>> I realise i have to leave here before i go crazy

>> Will leave all my furniture throw out

>> A lot of is wood

>> I hear thats no good with mites

>> But what if my clothes still affected

>> N my cat

>> She old kidney heart disease a lump

>> She cant take much chemicals now

>> I ripped al covers off my books

>> Are they safe?

>> Im ill over this n most people around me dont know whats wrong

>> Hid it from them

>> Feel like a leper with it

>> When in shoes or clothes v scared give other folk

>> One friend knows n said she itchy for week or so

>> I very scared id given her it

>> Cant even go friends house or hug goodbye

>> Getting fat comfort eating

>> N doctor gave valium as im so stressed

>> Is it posible to move safely

>> While im here id get them to hole up holes

>> Then up to landlord if he want to chemical spray or not

>> Dreading telling landlord

>> This was my home

>> Best place i ever lived

>> Until this hapened

>> I didnt want to leave

>> But with all my stuff infested

>> Cant cope

>> Please help

>> Worried for cat

>> Talkin to vet now to check swab ears

>> Scratching legs as i write

>> Even if they dont find mites in the sample

>> I know they are there

>> Hurts to talk to doctor n she sugest psychological help n says had anyone

seen them

>> As if makin it up!!!!

>> My friend saw lot fleas in summer

>> N i know what going through with these tiny things

>> Whats the best way to treat my shoes

>> Cat

>> Flat(without chemicals)

>> Sorry this is so long

>> I really need someone to understand what im going through n help me

>> Im alone in this( have no family apart from cat)

>> I was strong at first

>> But struggling hugely to cope now,retiring to bed,but often get bitten,even

though plastic covers

>> And whole rigmarole everything bagged,cleanin tea tree,clean feet when touch

floor

>> Bitten in night examining bed

>> Bugsocks pesticide n insrcticide in boots

>> Its a nightmare

>> Hell

>> I despair when i read what others cope with also

>> How do you not have breakdowns

>> Thanks so much for listening

>> Grateful for any help

>> And any friends

>> As we go through these difficulties

>> Best wishes

>> C

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

For shoes I put 1/2- 1 cup Arm & Hammer Powdered Laundry Detergent in eash shoe

& mist a little windex in the shoe & shake shoes all around., then wait 1-8 hrs

& shake out clean. All bugs were gone & stayed gone. I use 1/4 cup baking soda

in each shoe daily & have had no problems since . I love boots because of the

protection they offer.

I also use baking soda in a duster & puff it all over the stop any bug traffic

, it stops all movement instantley ,then I can go back later & wash all the

sufaces with 1 cup borax & 1 cup spic n span or lyso. Tha really cleans up the

area well & apolstery, I dry apolstry with a hair dryer for 6-12 hrs , it works

great

Arm & Hammer Powdered Laundry Detergent is the end of this bug , it works

miracles , but not like God does . Pray hard God will help

A poster named SKF was cured from soaking in 1 cup a & h soap ,she sprayed her

house with 1 cup per gallon in a garden pump spayer ,she was terribly infested

before thei & had tried it all, even lighter fluid in the bath water ( which

caued her to have to go to the hospital ,so you have to be careful with

chemicals.

Maybe in Great Britan you can find the simalar chemicals that are in Arm &

Hammer Powdered Laundry Detergent,

- far as I see it is sodium Carbonate & protease enzymes & ... ?

Here is the material safety data sheet (MSDS)

http://www.ahprokleen.com/MSDS/MSDS-056-Laundry%20Detergent%20powder.pdf

MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET

MSDS NUMBER: MSDS-056 ISSUE DATE: 03/27/06 PAGE 1 OF 5

CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS: 469 North on Street Princeton, New Jersey

08543-5297 Phone (609) 683-5900

CHURCH & DWIGHT CO., INC.

CONSUMER PRODUCTS SPECIALTY PRODUCTS

1. PRODUCT IDENTIFICATION Emergency Phone:

1-609-683-5900 (USA)

ARM & HAMMER Powder Laundry Detergent Medical Emergency Phone:

(All Forms: Phosphate, Non-phosphate, Fragrance-free, 1-888-234-1828

with Color Safe Bleach, and Fabric Softener)

Information Phone:

1-416-444-5241 (Canada)

2. COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS

Chemical Ingredient (% by Wt) CAS Number Exposure Limits (TLV-TWA)

Alcohol Ethoxysulfate Salt 3-10% 68585-34-2 Not Established

Ethoxylated Alcohol 1-5% 68131-39-5 Not Established

Sodium Percarbonate 1-5% 15630-89-4 10 mg/m3 inh. (ACGIH-PNOC)

(bleach formula only) 3 mg/m3 resp.

Sodium Carbonate 70-85% 497-19-8 10 mg/m3 inh. (ACGIH-PNOC)

3 mg/m3 resp.

Enzyme Preparation < 1% 9014-01-1 0.00395 mg/m3 (calculated)

(as 100% pure protease) 0.00006 mg/m3 (ACGIH)

Bentonite Clay 2-6% Mixture 10 mg/m3 inh. (ACGIH-PNOC)

(fabric softener formula only) 3 mg/m3 resp.

[bentonite clay may contain up to 7% naturally occurring crystalline silica]

Workplace Considerations: Contains no other hazardous ingredients at 1% or more

(0.1% for carcinogens) as defined by 29 CFR 1910 or the Hazardous Products Act.

(PNOC = Particles Not Otherwise Classified)

3. i was told that back in the old days people would burn sulfer and let their

houses fill up with the smoke and it would kill bed bugs and chicken /bird mites

if they got inside their houses and that it always worked .just wondering how

you would make a contraption to burn that stuff .

just wonder where you would buy powdered sulfer .

i have had several old folk tell me this story and they always say it took care

of it no matter how bad the bugs were .

4. http://bamboosourcery.com/cat_frame.cfm?row=13

Create an insecticidal soap made with Arm & Hammer laundry detergent (powder),

using 1 tablespoon per 1 gal water in a sprayer. Apply no more than once every

two weeks. It turns leaves somewhat yellow, but is our treatment of choice

because of its high effectiveness and low toxicity to the environment.

skf

Glasgow, KY

Reply

|Report Abuse |Judge it! |#2 Saturday Aug 8

darlin .going to the dr is a waste of time ,energy and money .

exterminators are costly and also dont work .

i just take one day at a time and i never do the same routine unless it gives me

relief /

although im really careful now how toxic something can be before i use it .

you can get really sick on some things .

how long have you had them

is it you ,or does your whole family have them .i just recently took a soak bath

in a 1/2 cup of armor hammer powdered laundry soap

helped alot today havnt felt them except once on my finger .

i always use a soft scrub brush when i take a bath .it will get alot the eggs

out of your skin ..WELCOME ABOARD...I WILL TALK TO YOU WHENEVER YOU NEED ME TO

..HOPE IT GOES AWAY FOR YOU SOON .

more at link: http://www.topix.com/forum/health/scabies/TKN7C65AKILQNGL46

CHECK THIS OUT:

Silver ?

3. 3333333333333333333333333

SKF

Glasgow, KY

Reply

|Report Abuse |Judge it! |#13 Tuesday Aug 11

Paranoid-Compulsive wrote:

Skf,

hey havent heard from you much today. I wnt to the doctor today and he took a

look at me and said i was prob in the clear. Today on my back i noticed a diff

bump but it since wnt away. He gave me a script of Eurax 10% he says its better

then the perm. Has anyone used Eurax cream 10% and if so how did it do for you??

Curious:))My back .............

AND ARE IS SOME OF THE POSTS I LEARNED ABOUT ARM & HAMMER POWDERED LAUNDRY

DETERGENT FROM and some of the hazards from breathing the dust.

1. Product Information Product Name:

Arm & Hammer Laundry Detergent

a. Acute Health Effects:

From MSDS

Inhalation: Breathing dusts can cause severe irritation, delayed pulmonary

edema, and nasal septum deviation. Skin Contact: Not a primary skin irritant;

various severities of irritation are possible on prolonged, repeated or occluded

contact. Eye Contact: Severe irritant; burns and potential injury upon prolonged

contact. Ingestion: Slightly toxic; ingestion can cause severe pain, diarrhea,

and corrosive damage to the GI tract.

Product Information Product Name:

Arm & Hammer Laundry Detergent

Form:

powder

Product Category:

Inside the Home Cleaner laundry

Inside the Home Detergent laundry

Inside the Home Laundry detergent/soap

Customer Service:

800-524-1328

Date Entered:

1996-08-21

Related Items:

Products with similar usage in this database

Manufacturer Manufacturer:

Church & Dwight Co., Inc.

Address:

469 N. on Street

City:

Princeton

State:

NJ

Zip Code:

8540

Telephone Number:

609-683-5900

Fax Number:

609-683-5092

Toll Free Number:

800-524-1328

Date Info Verified:

2008-01-09

Related Items:

Products by this manufacturer

The following information (Health Effects, Handling/Disposal, and Ingredients)

is taken from the product label and/or the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS)

prepared by the manufacturer. The National Library of Medicine does not test

products nor does it evaluate information from the product label or the MSDS.

(What is an MSDS?)

Health Effects

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edema

delayed pulmonary edema,

Pulmonary edema occurs when the pressure in blood vessels in the lung is raised

because of obstruction to removal of blood via the pulmonary veins. This is

usually due to failure of the left ventricle of the heart. It can also occur in

altitude sickness or on inhalation of toxic chemicals. Pulmonary edema produces

shortness of breath. Pleural effusions may occur when fluid also accumulates in

the pleural cavity.

wiki nasal septum deviation

( http://search./search?p=nasal+septum+deviation & fr=sfp & fr2= & iscqry=

)

Nasal septum deviation is a common physical disorder of the nose, involving a

displacement of the nasal septum.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deviated_septum - 53k - Cached

[LINK]

SEPTAL DEVIATION - WHAT IS SEPTOPLASTY? OTOLARYNGOLOGY HOUSTON

The nasal septum is the vertical wall that divides the nose into two nasal

cavities. ... The nasal cavities and nasal septum are lined with a thin membrane

of ...

www.ghorayeb.com/SeptumSurgery.html - Cached

WIKI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deviated_septum

excerpt :

In most cases a deviated septum can be corrected with a minor surgical procedure

known as a septoplasty, in which the surgeon enters through the nostrils and

cuts away the obtruding matter.[3] The surgery is performed quickly (it takes

around 1 hour) but the patient may take one to three weeks to fully recover.

God bless you,

Bill

u

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:29 PM EST minnesota_granny wrote:>Dear C,>I really feel

for you. I had similar problems starting in July too. What helped us was

drinking apple cider vinegar in water many times a day. I also drank water with

baking soda (1tsp) and borax (1/8th tsp) mixed with 26 oz of water, for 3 days,

then off the borax for 2 days (did this for a month). I ran a dehumidifier all

the time. I used a zapper on my cat and myself. The zapper was a little

expensive, but it really worked. I am still using it, I feel them hit me, but

no more bites. It is much more difficult to get the cat clear of them. My cat

is old, and I fed her a little food grade DE in her cat food, plus a little

vinegar/water. I am no longer bothered by them, but I feel them when I go into

closets. I had my ducts cleaned but still seem to sweep up debris. I have not

moved, but I think it may be a fungal infection that attracts these mites. >Hope

this helps,> >>---

In bird mites , Goldstein@... wrote:>>>> Really good

advice. You might want to consider moving if you can't do a lot of the

environmental clean up. If you live in Great Britain it most likely has mold

issues because of the dampness... it is so hard to move when we have loved a

place as you do. The sooner you can start treating internally the better. >> >>

>> >> >> Re: overwhelmed and terribly

depressed >> >> >> >> - >> >> >> I have gotten through the infestation.

I did move but the bugs moved with me, they are attracted to your body due to

infections. Most have Lyme at the root as well as co-infections and

opportunistic infections(often fungal). When I got treated for the infections

the biting stopped 100% and eventually I didn't get the

black specks on the skin, lint cocoons, etc. It took one year of aggressive

treatment to resolve it. Now I am still treating my infections, but getting

better. Most cats carry Bartonella which will take down your immune system, it

usually is present with Lyme. There are a couple good Lyme literate doctors that

know how to diagnose and treat all these infections in the UK, I don't know

their names, but if you go to 's Eurolyme they can direct you. >> >> >>

Aandraya >> >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 2, 2011, at 4:50 PM, christine french wrote:

>> >> >> >> >> >> Dear all >> Im new to the site ,hello and sorry we all have to

be here!:-( >> Though good theres a site to help each other!:-) >> I need some

help! >> Live on my own with my wee old ill cat n have rented here three years n

loved it until my problems started in july >> My cat an indoor cat but caught

fleas somehow in july >> The flat got infested >> >> Spent six weeks exhaustin

myself tryin

enviromentaly safe ways to get rid fleas,as well as gve cat program to

sterilize fleas >> I was bitten,used salt,bicarb soda,steamer,enviromental

friendly flea spray,diatemeous earth then two lots spray oct n nov of permethrin

with igr in it >> The spray help a bit fleas nearly away >> But had said for

months as well as what looked like fleas were tiny black dots >> >> All footwear

infested >> Crawlin sensation clothes >> Permethrin shoes several times still

bad bitten >> Pinprick bites >> Afectin my mental health now went on too long >>

Hooverin like mad lady >> Washed all clothes 60 degree,have no dryer but still.

Crawling >> Pestcontrol say think bird mites >> To give sample >> But twice when

spray permethrin i felt ill >> N old cat sickness diareah for weeks >> Pest

people cant get to roof without scafolding but say can block holes in flat >>

And want to spray strong chemicals >> My cat cannot be around anymore sprayin >>

I dont want it either >> I

have bad physical health >> >> Fireplace in bedroom >> Gunk fell from roof >>

Disgusting black stuff n bread pieces >> Pest folk think nest in roof >> Holes

in roof >> Heard birds between bedroom n roof partician >> And cats ears realy

infected >> And itchy >> Not clearing up >> Tiny black dots >> Have they

infected my wee darling? >> I put on one pair shoes >> Every toe bitten >> Tiny

things >> I pulled off >> More apeared >> It went on n on >> Horific >> Avoiding

people >> Csnt wear suede jackets >> All boots shoes >> Wear one boot >> Washed

disinfectant vinegar hairdrier twenty mins >> Help a bit >> Put cup vinegar in

with wash >> Not enough >> Woll have to wash everything again >> I read borax

vinegar epsom salts good ammonia >> Please help regard exactly how to treat

shoes n clothes >> I realise i have to leave here before i go crazy >> Will

leave all my furniture throw out >> A lot of is wood >> I hear thats no good

with mites >> But what if my

clothes still affected >> N my cat >> She old kidney heart disease a lump >>

She cant take much chemicals now >> I ripped al covers off my books >> Are they

safe? >> Im ill over this n most people around me dont know whats wrong >> Hid

it from them >> Feel like a leper with it >> When in shoes or clothes v scared

give other folk >> One friend knows n said she itchy for week or so >> I very

scared id given her it >> Cant even go friends house or hug goodbye >> Getting

fat comfort eating >> N doctor gave valium as im so stressed >> Is it posible to

move safely >> While im here id get them to hole up holes >> Then up to landlord

if he want to chemical spray or not >> Dreading telling landlord >> This was my

home >> Best place i ever lived >> Until this hapened >> I didnt want to leave

>> But with all my stuff infested >> Cant cope >> Please help >> Worried for cat

>> Talkin to vet now to check swab ears >> Scratching legs as i write >> Even if

they dont

find mites in the sample >> I know they are there >> Hurts to talk to doctor n

she sugest psychological help n says had anyone seen them >> As if makin it

up!!!! >> My friend saw lot fleas in summer >> N i know what going through with

these tiny things >> Whats the best way to treat my shoes >> Cat >> Flat(without

chemicals) >> Sorry this is so long >> I really need someone to understand what

im going through n help me >> Im alone in this( have no family apart from cat)

>> I was strong at first >> But struggling hugely to cope now,retiring to

bed,but often get bitten,even though plastic covers >> And whole rigmarole

everything bagged,cleanin tea tree,clean feet when touch floor >> Bitten in

night examining bed >> Bugsocks pesticide n insrcticide in boots >> Its a

nightmare >> Hell >> I despair when i read what others cope with also >> How do

you not have breakdowns >> Thanks so much for listening >> Grateful for any help

>> And any friends >> As we go

through these difficulties >> Best wishes >> C>>>>

[Guest guest]

Hi

For shoes I put 1/2- 1 cup Arm & Hammer Powdered Laundry Detergent in eash shoe

& mist a little windex in the shoe & shake shoes all around., then wait 1-8 hrs

& shake out clean. All bugs were gone & stayed gone. I use 1/4 cup baking soda

in each shoe daily & have had no problems since . I love boots because of the

protection they offer.

I also use baking soda in a duster & puff it all over the stop any bug traffic

, it stops all movement instantley ,then I can go back later & wash all the

sufaces with 1 cup borax & 1 cup spic n span or lyso. Tha really cleans up the

area well & apolstery, I dry apolstry with a hair dryer for 6-12 hrs , it works

great

Arm & Hammer Powdered Laundry Detergent is the end of this bug , it works

miracles , but not like God does . Pray hard God will help

A poster named SKF was cured from soaking in 1 cup a & h soap ,she sprayed her

house with 1 cup per gallon in a garden pump spayer ,she was terribly infested

before thei & had tried it all, even lighter fluid in the bath water ( which

caued her to have to go to the hospital ,so you have to be careful with

chemicals.

Maybe in Great Britan you can find the simalar chemicals that are in Arm &

Hammer Powdered Laundry Detergent,

- far as I see it is sodium Carbonate & protease enzymes & ... ?

Here is the material safety data sheet (MSDS)

http://www.ahprokleen.com/MSDS/MSDS-056-Laundry%20Detergent%20powder.pdf

MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET

MSDS NUMBER: MSDS-056 ISSUE DATE: 03/27/06 PAGE 1 OF 5

CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS: 469 North on Street Princeton, New Jersey

08543-5297 Phone (609) 683-5900

CHURCH & DWIGHT CO., INC.

CONSUMER PRODUCTS SPECIALTY PRODUCTS

1. PRODUCT IDENTIFICATION Emergency Phone:

1-609-683-5900 (USA)

ARM & HAMMER Powder Laundry Detergent Medical Emergency Phone:

(All Forms: Phosphate, Non-phosphate, Fragrance-free, 1-888-234-1828

with Color Safe Bleach, and Fabric Softener)

Information Phone:

1-416-444-5241 (Canada)

2. COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS

Chemical Ingredient (% by Wt) CAS Number Exposure Limits (TLV-TWA)

Alcohol Ethoxysulfate Salt 3-10% 68585-34-2 Not Established

Ethoxylated Alcohol 1-5% 68131-39-5 Not Established

Sodium Percarbonate 1-5% 15630-89-4 10 mg/m3 inh. (ACGIH-PNOC)

(bleach formula only) 3 mg/m3 resp.

Sodium Carbonate 70-85% 497-19-8 10 mg/m3 inh. (ACGIH-PNOC)

3 mg/m3 resp.

Enzyme Preparation < 1% 9014-01-1 0.00395 mg/m3 (calculated)

(as 100% pure protease) 0.00006 mg/m3 (ACGIH)

Bentonite Clay 2-6% Mixture 10 mg/m3 inh. (ACGIH-PNOC)

(fabric softener formula only) 3 mg/m3 resp.

[bentonite clay may contain up to 7% naturally occurring crystalline silica]

Workplace Considerations: Contains no other hazardous ingredients at 1% or more

(0.1% for carcinogens) as defined by 29 CFR 1910 or the Hazardous Products Act.

(PNOC = Particles Not Otherwise Classified)

3. i was told that back in the old days people would burn sulfer and let their

houses fill up with the smoke and it would kill bed bugs and chicken /bird mites

if they got inside their houses and that it always worked .just wondering how

you would make a contraption to burn that stuff .

just wonder where you would buy powdered sulfer .

i have had several old folk tell me this story and they always say it took care

of it no matter how bad the bugs were .

4. http://bamboosourcery.com/cat_frame.cfm?row=13

Create an insecticidal soap made with Arm & Hammer laundry detergent (powder),

using 1 tablespoon per 1 gal water in a sprayer. Apply no more than once every

two weeks. It turns leaves somewhat yellow, but is our treatment of choice

because of its high effectiveness and low toxicity to the environment.

skf

Glasgow, KY

Reply

|Report Abuse |Judge it! |#2 Saturday Aug 8

darlin .going to the dr is a waste of time ,energy and money .

exterminators are costly and also dont work .

i just take one day at a time and i never do the same routine unless it gives me

relief /

although im really careful now how toxic something can be before i use it .

you can get really sick on some things .

how long have you had them

is it you ,or does your whole family have them .i just recently took a soak bath

in a 1/2 cup of armor hammer powdered laundry soap

helped alot today havnt felt them except once on my finger .

i always use a soft scrub brush when i take a bath .it will get alot the eggs

out of your skin ..WELCOME ABOARD...I WILL TALK TO YOU WHENEVER YOU NEED ME TO

..HOPE IT GOES AWAY FOR YOU SOON .

more at link: http://www.topix.com/forum/health/scabies/TKN7C65AKILQNGL46

CHECK THIS OUT:

Silver ?

3. 3333333333333333333333333

SKF

Glasgow, KY

Reply

|Report Abuse |Judge it! |#13 Tuesday Aug 11

Paranoid-Compulsive wrote:

Skf,

hey havent heard from you much today. I wnt to the doctor today and he took a

look at me and said i was prob in the clear. Today on my back i noticed a diff

bump but it since wnt away. He gave me a script of Eurax 10% he says its better

then the perm. Has anyone used Eurax cream 10% and if so how did it do for you??

Curious:))My back .............

AND ARE IS SOME OF THE POSTS I LEARNED ABOUT ARM & HAMMER POWDERED LAUNDRY

DETERGENT FROM and some of the hazards from breathing the dust.

1. Product Information Product Name:

Arm & Hammer Laundry Detergent

a. Acute Health Effects:

From MSDS

Inhalation: Breathing dusts can cause severe irritation, delayed pulmonary

edema, and nasal septum deviation. Skin Contact: Not a primary skin irritant;

various severities of irritation are possible on prolonged, repeated or occluded

contact. Eye Contact: Severe irritant; burns and potential injury upon prolonged

contact. Ingestion: Slightly toxic; ingestion can cause severe pain, diarrhea,

and corrosive damage to the GI tract.

Product Information Product Name:

Arm & Hammer Laundry Detergent

Form:

powder

Product Category:

Inside the Home Cleaner laundry

Inside the Home Detergent laundry

Inside the Home Laundry detergent/soap

Customer Service:

800-524-1328

Date Entered:

1996-08-21

Related Items:

Products with similar usage in this database

Manufacturer Manufacturer:

Church & Dwight Co., Inc.

Address:

469 N. on Street

City:

Princeton

State:

NJ

Zip Code:

8540

Telephone Number:

609-683-5900

Fax Number:

609-683-5092

Toll Free Number:

800-524-1328

Date Info Verified:

2008-01-09

Related Items:

Products by this manufacturer

The following information (Health Effects, Handling/Disposal, and Ingredients)

is taken from the product label and/or the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS)

prepared by the manufacturer. The National Library of Medicine does not test

products nor does it evaluate information from the product label or the MSDS.

(What is an MSDS?)

Health Effects

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edema

delayed pulmonary edema,

Pulmonary edema occurs when the pressure in blood vessels in the lung is raised

because of obstruction to removal of blood via the pulmonary veins. This is

usually due to failure of the left ventricle of the heart. It can also occur in

altitude sickness or on inhalation of toxic chemicals. Pulmonary edema produces

shortness of breath. Pleural effusions may occur when fluid also accumulates in

the pleural cavity.

wiki nasal septum deviation

( http://search./search?p=nasal+septum+deviation & fr=sfp & fr2= & iscqry=

)

Nasal septum deviation is a common physical disorder of the nose, involving a

displacement of the nasal septum.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deviated_septum - 53k - Cached

[LINK]

SEPTAL DEVIATION - WHAT IS SEPTOPLASTY? OTOLARYNGOLOGY HOUSTON

The nasal septum is the vertical wall that divides the nose into two nasal

cavities. ... The nasal cavities and nasal septum are lined with a thin membrane

of ...

www.ghorayeb.com/SeptumSurgery.html - Cached

WIKI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deviated_septum

excerpt :

In most cases a deviated septum can be corrected with a minor surgical procedure

known as a septoplasty, in which the surgeon enters through the nostrils and

cuts away the obtruding matter.[3] The surgery is performed quickly (it takes

around 1 hour) but the patient may take one to three weeks to fully recover.

God bless you,

Bill

u

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:29 PM EST minnesota_granny wrote:>Dear C,>I really feel

for you. I had similar problems starting in July too. What helped us was

drinking apple cider vinegar in water many times a day. I also drank water with

baking soda (1tsp) and borax (1/8th tsp) mixed with 26 oz of water, for 3 days,

then off the borax for 2 days (did this for a month). I ran a dehumidifier all

the time. I used a zapper on my cat and myself. The zapper was a little

expensive, but it really worked. I am still using it, I feel them hit me, but

no more bites. It is much more difficult to get the cat clear of them. My cat

is old, and I fed her a little food grade DE in her cat food, plus a little

vinegar/water. I am no longer bothered by them, but I feel them when I go into

closets. I had my ducts cleaned but still seem to sweep up debris. I have not

moved, but I think it may be a fungal infection that attracts these mites. >Hope

this helps,> >>---

In bird mites , Goldstein@... wrote:>>>> Really good

advice. You might want to consider moving if you can't do a lot of the

environmental clean up. If you live in Great Britain it most likely has mold

issues because of the dampness... it is so hard to move when we have loved a

place as you do. The sooner you can start treating internally the better. >> >>

>> >> >> Re: overwhelmed and terribly

depressed >> >> >> >> - >> >> >> I have gotten through the infestation.

I did move but the bugs moved with me, they are attracted to your body due to

infections. Most have Lyme at the root as well as co-infections and

opportunistic infections(often fungal). When I got treated for the infections

the biting stopped 100% and eventually I didn't get the

black specks on the skin, lint cocoons, etc. It took one year of aggressive

treatment to resolve it. Now I am still treating my infections, but getting

better. Most cats carry Bartonella which will take down your immune system, it

usually is present with Lyme. There are a couple good Lyme literate doctors that

know how to diagnose and treat all these infections in the UK, I don't know

their names, but if you go to 's Eurolyme they can direct you. >> >> >>

Aandraya >> >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 2, 2011, at 4:50 PM, christine french wrote:

>> >> >> >> >> >> Dear all >> Im new to the site ,hello and sorry we all have to

be here!:-( >> Though good theres a site to help each other!:-) >> I need some

help! >> Live on my own with my wee old ill cat n have rented here three years n

loved it until my problems started in july >> My cat an indoor cat but caught

fleas somehow in july >> The flat got infested >> >> Spent six weeks exhaustin

myself tryin

enviromentaly safe ways to get rid fleas,as well as gve cat program to

sterilize fleas >> I was bitten,used salt,bicarb soda,steamer,enviromental

friendly flea spray,diatemeous earth then two lots spray oct n nov of permethrin

with igr in it >> The spray help a bit fleas nearly away >> But had said for

months as well as what looked like fleas were tiny black dots >> >> All footwear

infested >> Crawlin sensation clothes >> Permethrin shoes several times still

bad bitten >> Pinprick bites >> Afectin my mental health now went on too long >>

Hooverin like mad lady >> Washed all clothes 60 degree,have no dryer but still.

Crawling >> Pestcontrol say think bird mites >> To give sample >> But twice when

spray permethrin i felt ill >> N old cat sickness diareah for weeks >> Pest

people cant get to roof without scafolding but say can block holes in flat >>

And want to spray strong chemicals >> My cat cannot be around anymore sprayin >>

I dont want it either >> I

have bad physical health >> >> Fireplace in bedroom >> Gunk fell from roof >>

Disgusting black stuff n bread pieces >> Pest folk think nest in roof >> Holes

in roof >> Heard birds between bedroom n roof partician >> And cats ears realy

infected >> And itchy >> Not clearing up >> Tiny black dots >> Have they

infected my wee darling? >> I put on one pair shoes >> Every toe bitten >> Tiny

things >> I pulled off >> More apeared >> It went on n on >> Horific >> Avoiding

people >> Csnt wear suede jackets >> All boots shoes >> Wear one boot >> Washed

disinfectant vinegar hairdrier twenty mins >> Help a bit >> Put cup vinegar in

with wash >> Not enough >> Woll have to wash everything again >> I read borax

vinegar epsom salts good ammonia >> Please help regard exactly how to treat

shoes n clothes >> I realise i have to leave here before i go crazy >> Will

leave all my furniture throw out >> A lot of is wood >> I hear thats no good

with mites >> But what if my

clothes still affected >> N my cat >> She old kidney heart disease a lump >>

She cant take much chemicals now >> I ripped al covers off my books >> Are they

safe? >> Im ill over this n most people around me dont know whats wrong >> Hid

it from them >> Feel like a leper with it >> When in shoes or clothes v scared

give other folk >> One friend knows n said she itchy for week or so >> I very

scared id given her it >> Cant even go friends house or hug goodbye >> Getting

fat comfort eating >> N doctor gave valium as im so stressed >> Is it posible to

move safely >> While im here id get them to hole up holes >> Then up to landlord

if he want to chemical spray or not >> Dreading telling landlord >> This was my

home >> Best place i ever lived >> Until this hapened >> I didnt want to leave

>> But with all my stuff infested >> Cant cope >> Please help >> Worried for cat

>> Talkin to vet now to check swab ears >> Scratching legs as i write >> Even if

they dont

find mites in the sample >> I know they are there >> Hurts to talk to doctor n

she sugest psychological help n says had anyone seen them >> As if makin it

up!!!! >> My friend saw lot fleas in summer >> N i know what going through with

these tiny things >> Whats the best way to treat my shoes >> Cat >> Flat(without

chemicals) >> Sorry this is so long >> I really need someone to understand what

im going through n help me >> Im alone in this( have no family apart from cat)

>> I was strong at first >> But struggling hugely to cope now,retiring to

bed,but often get bitten,even though plastic covers >> And whole rigmarole

everything bagged,cleanin tea tree,clean feet when touch floor >> Bitten in

night examining bed >> Bugsocks pesticide n insrcticide in boots >> Its a

nightmare >> Hell >> I despair when i read what others cope with also >> How do

you not have breakdowns >> Thanks so much for listening >> Grateful for any help

>> And any friends >> As we go

through these difficulties >> Best wishes >> C>>>>

[Guest guest]

Hi, !I am sorry to hear you have got the birdmites, it´s such hell...

We moved and brought ---Nothing, to get rid of them, but I know people here who has gotten rid of them without moving, so

let´s hope you can be one of them...

KR

Cecilia

From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>bird mites Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:06 PMSubject: Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressed

Thanks lindaI live scotlandSomeone just said to me must be my fault that my house must be dirty to have had fleas then mites.I was v upset said this can hapen to anyone...yeah but why you?I said....fungal infections atract the mites...i got told im crazy n need a psychistrist!!!Some people are stupid ignorant v awful actuallyUnbelievableI got told it must be my fault!!!!!I was in tears naturaly!:-(Oh thanks for advice,shall need look up many things u mentionedYes they worse at nightCats ears realy bothering her but thought it fleas even though she had flea sterilization tablets five monthsPut diatemeous earth on her ears every dayClean hibiscrub dilute n vinegarDo best i can with her poor soulAn washed everythin 60 degree but stil no enoughWill have to move as council will not put scafold up to demolish n get imto roof cavityNot enough blockin up holesBut what is it safe

to bringWhat if cat infects new placeThink all shoes boots have to be thrown outThey badly infestedIs there a way to cure them?Scared to bring clothes beddingIncase infestWill i have to wash everything again before i take it in borax?But i dry hanging up in my flat So what point as get infested hangin upWould it be safe to bag n bring new propertyN wash one at a time?Also worried re sampleIf they dont id it landlord etc prob wont take me seriouslyIts just awfulGlad to know others like you have recoveredN understandThanksCOn Sat, Dec 3, 2011 00:38 GMT Goldstein@... wrote:>Where do you live ? I'm having an increase in carpal tunnel on right hand right now, so won't be able to type too much. Sounds very much like birdmites to

me. Everything you describe I had. All of it. That was in 2008, April. If you can't find the source of the where the mites came in and if birds are still using that space, you will need to move. You have to remove the source of the infestation and if there are birds and/or nests there, they will continue to want to find another host (you). Whatever is nearest seems to get it, including your cat. I never found birdmites in our house, nor did pest control, but county pest control did find rodent droppings and we had been around birds quite a bit too. Something very weird is happening in nature right now that all of us are coming down with similar symptoms, usually gardening related or bird related, or sometimes related to some particular insect that bit us or came into our homes. Remember beesgoing through colony collapse syndrome? I think it is being caused by something, may be mite, might be something else that is killing certain things off.

>>>All the products you mentioned I used. If you choose to stay where you are maybe you could buy a fogger and some Cedarcide but the place where the infestation must be dealt with, then start to do internals quickly. Don't wait. I would start with bathing in Borax and Arm and Hammer and if they are mites on the outside or the body, this seems to start to kill them, while dealing with the environmental infestation too. They go internal so start taking MSM and start to alkalinize your internal system by improving your diet, eliminating sugars, anything artificial, getting your internal system in tip top shape. MMS also is an option if you have little money and that should be used in a bath too, 40 activated drops in a tub of water and soak whole body, head, etc. This should be done daily. Start taking MMS one drop at a time, activated, 3x/day and increasing dose each day by one drop. This starts to kill fungus and other microbes in

the body. >>>Keep cleaning and hoovering, change bag frequently and keep hoover outside if possible. If you have a bagless hoover, flush out the part that holds the dirt with hot hot water frequently. Get diatomaceous earth and spread it wherever you can because they don't seem to move well in DE and it may kill them. We had less movement with DE. On clothing, do you have a steam iron and ironing board? Iron your clothing during this time. I was a proponent of purchasing a steam press (like used in dry cleaners, only much smaller)... we purchased one and I steamed everything for a year, even small towels. It helps more than you can imagine. If these are birdmites, they hide during the day and come out mainly at night. They are microscopic, but try to get an ID if possible. I believe they are birdmites from the description. >>>This is not a quick process so you will have to work on coping skills a lot. It was one

of the worst times in our lives here. We tossed over half of our belongings and many here on this site moved, some multiple times, but ultimately after things start to be more or less under control, most people discover they have to work on internal measures because for some reason you were picked as a host and internal bacterias, fungi, etc., attract these particular mites to us. So you have to work on internals. Some found medications helpful - some developed or had pre-existing Lyme Disease (I did and many others) and now are working on those issues almost solely. >>>I'd say pray often... keep it up. If this takes you to a place of fear, ask God for help. Many of us felt suicidal at the beginning... I felt like burning my townhouse down, but didn't. We removed all carpeting, sprayed and sprayed and kept spraying, cleaning, removing fungus and molds... unfortunately it is expensive all the clean up. Keep sharing and others will

help you sort routines out. >>> >>>>>> overwhelmed and terribly depressed >>Dear all >Im new to the site ,hello and sorry we all have to be here!:-( >Though good theres a site to help each other!:-) >I need some help! >Live on my own with my wee old ill cat n have rented here three years n loved it until my problems started in july >My cat an indoor cat but caught fleas somehow in july

>The flat got infested >>Spent six weeks exhaustin myself tryin enviromentaly safe ways to get rid fleas,as well as gve cat program to sterilize fleas >I was bitten,used salt,bicarb soda,steamer,enviromental friendly flea spray,diatemeous earth then two lots spray oct n nov of permethrin with igr in it >The spray help a bit fleas nearly away >But had said for months as well as what looked like fleas were tiny black dots >>All footwear infested >Crawlin sensation clothes >Permethrin shoes several times still bad bitten >Pinprick bites >Afectin my mental health now went on too long >Hooverin like mad lady >Washed all clothes 60 degree,have no dryer but still. Crawling >Pestcontrol say think bird mites >To give sample >But twice when spray permethrin i felt ill >N old cat sickness diareah for weeks >Pest people cant get to

roof without scafolding but say can block holes in flat >And want to spray strong chemicals >My cat cannot be around anymore sprayin >I dont want it either >I have bad physical health >>Fireplace in bedroom >Gunk fell from roof >Disgusting black stuff n bread pieces >Pest folk think nest in roof >Holes in roof >Heard birds between bedroom n roof partician >And cats ears realy infected >And itchy >Not clearing up >Tiny black dots >Have they infected my wee darling? >I put on one pair shoes >Every toe bitten >Tiny things >I pulled off >More apeared >It went on n on >Horific >Avoiding people >Csnt wear suede jackets >All boots shoes >Wear one boot >Washed disinfectant vinegar hairdrier twenty mins >Help a bit >Put cup vinegar in with wash >Not

enough >Woll have to wash everything again >I read borax vinegar epsom salts good ammonia >Please help regard exactly how to treat shoes n clothes >I realise i have to leave here before i go crazy >Will leave all my furniture throw out >A lot of is wood >I hear thats no good with mites >But what if my clothes still affected >N my cat >She old kidney heart disease a lump >She cant take much chemicals now >I ripped al covers off my books >Are they safe? >Im ill over this n most people around me dont know whats wrong >Hid it from them >Feel like a leper with it >When in shoes or clothes v scared give other folk >One friend knows n said she itchy for week or so >I very scared id given her it >Cant even go friends house or hug goodbye >Getting fat comfort eating >N doctor gave valium as im so stressed

>Is it posible to move safely >While im here id get them to hole up holes >Then up to landlord if he want to chemical spray or not >Dreading telling landlord >This was my home >Best place i ever lived >Until this hapened >I didnt want to leave >But with all my stuff infested >Cant cope >Please help >Worried for cat >Talkin to vet now to check swab ears >Scratching legs as i write >Even if they dont find mites in the sample >I know they are there >Hurts to talk to doctor n she sugest psychological help n says had anyone seen them >As if makin it up!!!! >My friend saw lot fleas in summer >N i know what going through with these tiny things >Whats the best way to treat my shoes >Cat >Flat(without chemicals) >Sorry this is so long >I really need someone to understand what im going

through n help me >Im alone in this( have no family apart from cat) >I was strong at first >But struggling hugely to cope now,retiring to bed,but often get bitten,even though plastic covers >And whole rigmarole everything bagged,cleanin tea tree,clean feet when touch floor >Bitten in night examining bed >Bugsocks pesticide n insrcticide in boots >Its a nightmare >Hell >I despair when i read what others cope with also >How do you not have breakdowns >Thanks so much for listening >Grateful for any help >And any friends >As we go through these difficulties >Best wishes >C >>>>------------------------------------ >>

[Guest guest]

Thanks cecilla

You literally brought nothing?

Im so confused as to what to keep or not

Dont think can stay here anylonger

But worried cat a carrier

Had 18 years

She with me for life

C

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 16:22 GMT Cecilia Borg wrote:

>Hi, !

>I am sorry to hear you have got the birdmites, it´s such hell...

>We moved and brought ---Nothing, to get rid of them, but I know people here who

has gotten rid of them without moving, so

>let´s hope you can be one of them...

>KR

>Cecilia

>

>

>________________________________

>From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>

>bird mites

>Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:06 PM

>Subject: Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressed

>

>

> 

>Thanks linda

>I live scotland

>Someone just said to me must be my fault that my house must be dirty to have

had fleas then mites.

>I was v upset said this can hapen to anyone

>...yeah but why you?

>I said....fungal infections atract the mites

>...i got told im crazy n need a psychistrist!!!

>Some people are stupid ignorant v awful actually

>Unbelievable

>I got told it must be my fault!!!!!

>I was in tears naturaly!:-(

>Oh thanks for advice,shall need look up many things u mentioned

>Yes they worse at night

>Cats ears realy bothering her but thought it fleas even though she had flea

sterilization tablets five months

>Put diatemeous earth on her ears every day

>Clean hibiscrub dilute n vinegar

>Do best i can with her poor soul

>An washed everythin 60 degree but stil no enough

>Will have to move as council will not put scafold up to demolish n get imto

roof cavity

>Not enough blockin up holes

>But what is it safe to bring

>What if cat infects new place

>Think all shoes boots have to be thrown out

>They badly infested

>Is there a way to cure them?

>Scared to bring clothes bedding

>Incase infest

>Will i have to wash everything again before i take it in borax?

>But i dry hanging up in my flat

>So what point as get infested hangin up

>Would it be safe to bag n bring new property

>N wash one at a time?

>Also worried re sample

>If they dont id it landlord etc prob wont take me seriously

>Its just awful

>Glad to know others like you have recovered

>N understand

>Thanks

>C

>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 00:38 GMT Goldstein@... wrote:

>

>>Where do you live ? I'm having an increase in carpal tunnel on right

hand right now, so won't be able to type too much. Sounds very much like

birdmites to me. Everything you describe I had. All of it. That was in 2008,

April. If you can't find the source of the where the mites came in and if birds

are still using that space, you will need to move. You have to remove the source

of the infestation and if there are birds and/or nests there, they will continue

to want to find another host (you). Whatever is nearest seems to get it,

including your cat. I never found birdmites in our house, nor did pest control,

but county pest control did find rodent droppings and we had been around birds

quite a bit too. Something very weird is happening in nature right now that all

of us are coming down with similar symptoms, usually gardening related or bird

related, or sometimes related to some particular insect that bit us or came into

our homes. Remember bees

>going through colony collapse syndrome? I think it is being caused by

something, may be mite, might be something else that is killing certain things

off.

>>

>>

>>All the products you mentioned I used. If you choose to stay where you are

maybe you could buy a fogger and some Cedarcide but the place where the

infestation must be dealt with, then start to do internals quickly. Don't wait.

I would start with bathing in Borax and Arm and Hammer and if they are mites on

the outside or the body, this seems to start to kill them, while dealing with

the environmental infestation too. They go internal so start taking MSM and

start to alkalinize your internal system by improving your diet, eliminating

sugars, anything artificial, getting your internal system in tip top shape. MMS

also is an option if you have little money and that should be used in a bath

too, 40 activated drops in a tub of water and soak whole body, head, etc. This

should be done daily. Start taking MMS one drop at a time, activated, 3x/day and

increasing dose each day by one drop. This starts to kill fungus and other

microbes in the body.

>>

>>

>>Keep cleaning and hoovering, change bag frequently and keep hoover outside if

possible. If you have a bagless hoover, flush out the part that holds the dirt

with hot hot water frequently. Get diatomaceous earth and spread it wherever you

can because they don't seem to move well in DE and it may kill them. We had less

movement with DE. On clothing, do you have a steam iron and ironing board? Iron

your clothing during this time. I was a proponent of purchasing a steam press

(like used in dry cleaners, only much smaller)... we purchased one and I steamed

everything for a year, even small towels. It helps more than you can imagine. If

these are birdmites, they hide during the day and come out mainly at night. They

are microscopic, but try to get an ID if possible. I believe they are birdmites

from the description.

>>

>>

>>This is not a quick process so you will have to work on coping skills a lot.

It was one of the worst times in our lives here. We tossed over half of our

belongings and many here on this site moved, some multiple times, but ultimately

after things start to be more or less under control, most people discover they

have to work on internal measures because for some reason you were picked as a

host and internal bacterias, fungi, etc., attract these particular mites to us.

So you have to work on internals. Some found medications helpful - some

developed or had pre-existing Lyme Disease (I did and many others) and now are

working on those issues almost solely.

>>

>>

>>I'd say pray often... keep it up. If this takes you to a place of fear, ask

God for help. Many of us felt suicidal at the beginning... I felt like burning

my townhouse down, but didn't. We removed all carpeting, sprayed and sprayed and

kept spraying, cleaning, removing fungus and molds... unfortunately it is

expensive all the clean up. Keep sharing and others will help you sort routines

out.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> overwhelmed and terribly depressed

>>

>>Dear all

>>Im new to the site ,hello and sorry we all have to be here!:-(

>>Though good theres a site to help each other!:-)

>>I need some help!

>>Live on my own with my wee old ill cat n have rented here three years n loved

it until my problems started in july

>>My cat an indoor cat but caught fleas somehow in july

>>The flat got infested

>>

>>Spent six weeks exhaustin myself tryin enviromentaly safe ways to get rid

fleas,as well as gve cat program to sterilize fleas

>>I was bitten,used salt,bicarb soda,steamer,enviromental friendly flea

spray,diatemeous earth then two lots spray oct n nov of permethrin with igr in

it

>>The spray help a bit fleas nearly away

>>But had said for months as well as what looked like fleas were tiny black dots

>>

>>All footwear infested

>>Crawlin sensation clothes

>>Permethrin shoes several times still bad bitten

>>Pinprick bites

>>Afectin my mental health now went on too long

>>Hooverin like mad lady

>>Washed all clothes 60 degree,have no dryer but still. Crawling

>>Pestcontrol say think bird mites

>>To give sample

>>But twice when spray permethrin i felt ill

>>N old cat sickness diareah for weeks

>>Pest people cant get to roof without scafolding but say can block holes in

flat

>>And want to spray strong chemicals

>>My cat cannot be around anymore sprayin

>>I dont want it either

>>I have bad physical health

>>

>>Fireplace in bedroom

>>Gunk fell from roof

>>Disgusting black stuff n bread pieces

>>Pest folk think nest in roof

>>Holes in roof

>>Heard birds between bedroom n roof partician

>>And cats ears realy infected

>>And itchy

>>Not clearing up

>>Tiny black dots

>>Have they infected my wee darling?

>>I put on one pair shoes

>>Every toe bitten

>>Tiny things

>>I pulled off

>>More apeared

>>It went on n on

>>Horific

>>Avoiding people

>>Csnt wear suede jackets

>>All boots shoes

>>Wear one boot

>>Washed disinfectant vinegar hairdrier twenty mins

>>Help a bit

>>Put cup vinegar in with wash

>>Not enough

>>Woll have to wash everything again

>>I read borax vinegar epsom salts good ammonia

>>Please help regard exactly how to treat shoes n clothes

>>I realise i have to leave here before i go crazy

>>Will leave all my furniture throw out

>>A lot of is wood

>>I hear thats no good with mites

>>But what if my clothes still affected

>>N my cat

>>She old kidney heart disease a lump

>>She cant take much chemicals now

>>I ripped al covers off my books

>>Are they safe?

>>Im ill over this n most people around me dont know whats wrong

>>Hid it from them

>>Feel like a leper with it

>>When in shoes or clothes v scared give other folk

>>One friend knows n said she itchy for week or so

>>I very scared id given her it

>>Cant even go friends house or hug goodbye

>>Getting fat comfort eating

>>N doctor gave valium as im so stressed

>>Is it posible to move safely

>>While im here id get them to hole up holes

>>Then up to landlord if he want to chemical spray or not

>>Dreading telling landlord

>>This was my home

>>Best place i ever lived

>>Until this hapened

>>I didnt want to leave

>>But with all my stuff infested

>>Cant cope

>>Please help

>>Worried for cat

>>Talkin to vet now to check swab ears

>>Scratching legs as i write

>>Even if they dont find mites in the sample

>>I know they are there

>>Hurts to talk to doctor n she sugest psychological help n says had anyone seen

them

>>As if makin it up!!!!

>>My friend saw lot fleas in summer

>>N i know what going through with these tiny things

>>Whats the best way to treat my shoes

>>Cat

>>Flat(without chemicals)

>>Sorry this is so long

>>I really need someone to understand what im going through n help me

>>Im alone in this( have no family apart from cat)

>>I was strong at first

>>But struggling hugely to cope now,retiring to bed,but often get bitten,even

though plastic covers

>>And whole rigmarole everything bagged,cleanin tea tree,clean feet when touch

floor

>>Bitten in night examining bed

>>Bugsocks pesticide n insrcticide in boots

>>Its a nightmare

>>Hell

>>I despair when i read what others cope with also

>>How do you not have breakdowns

>>Thanks so much for listening

>>Grateful for any help

>>And any friends

>>As we go through these difficulties

>>Best wishes

>>C

>>

>>

>>

>>------------------------------------

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

People with pets have a harder time getting rid of mites.From: "christine french" <karmakatmeow@...>bird mites Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 8:45:34 AMSubject: Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressedThanks cecillaYou literally brought nothing?Im so confused as to what to keep or notDont think can stay here anylongerBut worried cat a carrierHad 18 yearsShe with me for lifeCOn Sat, Dec 3, 2011 16:22 GMT Cecilia Borg wrote:>Hi, !>I am sorry to hear you have got the birdmites, it´s such hell...>We moved and brought ---Nothing, to get rid of them, but I know people here who has gotten rid of them without moving, so>let´s hope you can be one of them...>KR>Cecilia>>>________________________________>From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>>bird mites >Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:06 PM>Subject: Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressed>>> >Thanks linda>I live scotland>Someone just said to me must be my fault that my house must be dirty to have had fleas then mites.>I was v upset said this can hapen to anyone>...yeah but why you?>I said....fungal infections atract the mites>...i got told im crazy n need a psychistrist!!!>Some people are stupid ignorant v awful actually>Unbelievable>I got told it must be my fault!!!!!>I was in tears naturaly!:-(>Oh thanks for advice,shall need look up many things u mentioned>Yes they worse at night>Cats ears realy bothering her but thought it fleas even though she had flea sterilization tablets five months>Put diatemeous earth on her ears every day>Clean hibiscrub dilute n vinegar>Do best i can with her poor soul>An washed everythin 60 degree but stil no enough>Will have to move as council will not put scafold up to demolish n get imto roof cavity>Not enough blockin up holes>But what is it safe to bring>What if cat infects new place>Think all shoes boots have to be thrown out>They badly infested>Is there a way to cure them?>Scared to bring clothes bedding>Incase infest>Will i have to wash everything again before i take it in borax?>But i dry hanging up in my flat >So what point as get infested hangin up>Would it be safe to bag n bring new property>N wash one at a time?>Also worried re sample>If they dont id it landlord etc prob wont take me seriously>Its just awful>Glad to know others like you have recovered>N understand>Thanks>C>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 00:38 GMT Goldstein@... wrote:>>>Where do you live ? I'm having an increase in carpal tunnel on right hand right now, so won't be able to type too much. Sounds very much like birdmites to me. Everything you describe I had. All of it. That was in 2008, April. If you can't find the source of the where the mites came in and if birds are still using that space, you will need to move. You have to remove the source of the infestation and if there are birds and/or nests there, they will continue to want to find another host (you). Whatever is nearest seems to get it, including your cat. I never found birdmites in our house, nor did pest control, but county pest control did find rodent droppings and we had been around birds quite a bit too. Something very weird is happening in nature right now that all of us are coming down with similar symptoms, usually gardening related or bird related, or sometimes related to some particular insect that bit us or came into our homes. Remember bees>going through colony collapse syndrome? I think it is being caused by something, may be mite, might be something else that is killing certain things off. >>>>>>All the products you mentioned I used. If you choose to stay where you are maybe you could buy a fogger and some Cedarcide but the place where the infestation must be dealt with, then start to do internals quickly. Don't wait. I would start with bathing in Borax and Arm and Hammer and if they are mites on the outside or the body, this seems to start to kill them, while dealing with the environmental infestation too. They go internal so start taking MSM and start to alkalinize your internal system by improving your diet, eliminating sugars, anything artificial, getting your internal system in tip top shape. MMS also is an option if you have little money and that should be used in a bath too, 40 activated drops in a tub of water and soak whole body, head, etc. This should be done daily. Start taking MMS one drop at a time, activated, 3x/day and increasing dose each day by one drop. This starts to kill fungus and other microbes in the body. >>>>>>Keep cleaning and hoovering, change bag frequently and keep hoover outside if possible. If you have a bagless hoover, flush out the part that holds the dirt with hot hot water frequently. Get diatomaceous earth and spread it wherever you can because they don't seem to move well in DE and it may kill them. We had less movement with DE. On clothing, do you have a steam iron and ironing board? Iron your clothing during this time. I was a proponent of purchasing a steam press (like used in dry cleaners, only much smaller)... we purchased one and I steamed everything for a year, even small towels. It helps more than you can imagine. If these are birdmites, they hide during the day and come out mainly at night. They are microscopic, but try to get an ID if possible. I believe they are birdmites from the description. >>>>>>This is not a quick process so you will have to work on coping skills a lot. It was one of the worst times in our lives here. We tossed over half of our belongings and many here on this site moved, some multiple times, but ultimately after things start to be more or less under control, most people discover they have to work on internal measures because for some reason you were picked as a host and internal bacterias, fungi, etc., attract these particular mites to us. So you have to work on internals. Some found medications helpful - some developed or had pre-existing Lyme Disease (I did and many others) and now are working on those issues almost solely. >>>>>>I'd say pray often... keep it up. If this takes you to a place of fear, ask God for help. Many of us felt suicidal at the beginning... I felt like burning my townhouse down, but didn't. We removed all carpeting, sprayed and sprayed and kept spraying, cleaning, removing fungus and molds... unfortunately it is expensive all the clean up. Keep sharing and others will help you sort routines out. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> overwhelmed and terribly depressed >>>>Dear all >>Im new to the site ,hello and sorry we all have to be here!:-( >>Though good theres a site to help each other!:-) >>I need some help! >>Live on my own with my wee old ill cat n have rented here three years n loved it until my problems started in july >>My cat an indoor cat but caught fleas somehow in july >>The flat got infested >>>>Spent six weeks exhaustin myself tryin enviromentaly safe ways to get rid fleas,as well as gve cat program to sterilize fleas >>I was bitten,used salt,bicarb soda,steamer,enviromental friendly flea spray,diatemeous earth then two lots spray oct n nov of permethrin with igr in it >>The spray help a bit fleas nearly away >>But had said for months as well as what looked like fleas were tiny black dots >>>>All footwear infested >>Crawlin sensation clothes >>Permethrin shoes several times still bad bitten >>Pinprick bites >>Afectin my mental health now went on too long >>Hooverin like mad lady >>Washed all clothes 60 degree,have no dryer but still. Crawling >>Pestcontrol say think bird mites >>To give sample >>But twice when spray permethrin i felt ill >>N old cat sickness diareah for weeks >>Pest people cant get to roof without scafolding but say can block holes in flat >>And want to spray strong chemicals >>My cat cannot be around anymore sprayin >>I dont want it either >>I have bad physical health >>>>Fireplace in bedroom >>Gunk fell from roof >>Disgusting black stuff n bread pieces >>Pest folk think nest in roof >>Holes in roof >>Heard birds between bedroom n roof partician >>And cats ears realy infected >>And itchy >>Not clearing up >>Tiny black dots >>Have they infected my wee darling? >>I put on one pair shoes >>Every toe bitten >>Tiny things >>I pulled off >>More apeared >>It went on n on >>Horific >>Avoiding people >>Csnt wear suede jackets >>All boots shoes >>Wear one boot >>Washed disinfectant vinegar hairdrier twenty mins >>Help a bit >>Put cup vinegar in with wash >>Not enough >>Woll have to wash everything again >>I read borax vinegar epsom salts good ammonia >>Please help regard exactly how to treat shoes n clothes >>I realise i have to leave here before i go crazy >>Will leave all my furniture throw out >>A lot of is wood >>I hear thats no good with mites >>But what if my clothes still affected >>N my cat >>She old kidney heart disease a lump >>She cant take much chemicals now >>I ripped al covers off my books >>Are they safe? >>Im ill over this n most people around me dont know whats wrong >>Hid it from them >>Feel like a leper with it >>When in shoes or clothes v scared give other folk >>One friend knows n said she itchy for week or so >>I very scared id given her it >>Cant even go friends house or hug goodbye >>Getting fat comfort eating >>N doctor gave valium as im so stressed >>Is it posible to move safely >>While im here id get them to hole up holes >>Then up to landlord if he want to chemical spray or not >>Dreading telling landlord >>This was my home >>Best place i ever lived >>Until this hapened >>I didnt want to leave >>But with all my stuff infested >>Cant cope >>Please help >>Worried for cat >>Talkin to vet now to check swab ears >>Scratching legs as i write >>Even if they dont find mites in the sample >>I know they are there >>Hurts to talk to doctor n she sugest psychological help n says had anyone seen them >>As if makin it up!!!! >>My friend saw lot fleas in summer >>N i know what going through with these tiny things >>Whats the best way to treat my shoes >>Cat >>Flat(without chemicals) >>Sorry this is so long >>I really need someone to understand what im going through n help me >>Im alone in this( have no family apart from cat) >>I was strong at first >>But struggling hugely to cope now,retiring to bed,but often get bitten,even though plastic covers >>And whole rigmarole everything bagged,cleanin tea tree,clean feet when touch floor >>Bitten in night examining bed >>Bugsocks pesticide n insrcticide in boots >>Its a nightmare >>Hell >>I despair when i read what others cope with also >>How do you not have breakdowns >>Thanks so much for listening >>Grateful for any help >>And any friends >>As we go through these difficulties >>Best wishes >>C >>>>>>>>------------------------------------ >>>>

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Since they can't get to birds nest and patch roof....it might be best to move.  Every time you get rid of them, they will come back from the source, their nests.

I cover my floors around my bed in baking soda so they can't crawl up at night and put clean sheets from my bin on after I'm showered.

Does your cat sleep in bed with you?  She is probably bringing them in every night if so.  Maybe sprinkle her with baking soda in the dry bath tub then carry her to the bed.  I don't let my son on the floor after his nightly.bath.  Straight to bed from my arms.

On Dec 3, 2011 11:23 AM, " Cecilia Borg " <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

 

Hi, !I am sorry to hear you have got the birdmites, it´s such hell...

We moved and brought ---Nothing, to get rid of them, but I know people here who has gotten rid of them without moving, so

let´s hope you can be one of them...

KR

Cecilia

From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>

bird mites Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:06 PMSubject: Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressed

 Thanks lindaI live scotlandSomeone just said to me must be my fault that my house must be dirty...

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Hi ,

So sorry you must join us like this. So many on this site are getting along much better with all the great advice.

I moved and threw all my 1 year old furniture out in cluding washer, dryer and computer. Not knowing I had a fungal infection, my problems soon came back in my new place. Internal meds are helping and I spray 1 cup of Lysol complete clean per gallon of water on ceilings, rugs, walls, you name it. I even bathe in it from time to time. I think I will have to move again as I suspect an abandoned bird's nest in the sealed roof of my porch. I have found they come in and attack me in the Spring and in the Fall. At first, I thought I brought them, but this last attack showed me where they were coming from. Some have ordered the preditor mites that eat the birdmites. I believe that the temperature must be right though. Not too cold. When I move, I intend to get some and introduce them to my new place just in case. I hope your

move goes well. My pet had died one year before this happened to me, so I did not have to worry about her. I can't imagine watching your baby suffer.

Love and light,

From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>bird mites Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 11:45 AMSubject: Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressed

Thanks cecillaYou literally brought nothing?Im so confused as to what to keep or notDont think can stay here anylongerBut worried cat a carrierHad 18 yearsShe with me for lifeCOn Sat, Dec 3, 2011 16:22 GMT Cecilia Borg wrote:>Hi, !>I am sorry to hear you have got the birdmites, it´s such hell...>We moved and brought ---Nothing, to get rid of them, but I know people here who has gotten rid of them without moving, so>let´s hope you can be one of them...>KR>Cecilia>>>________________________________>From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>>bird mites

>Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:06 PM>Subject: Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressed>>> >Thanks linda>I live scotland>Someone just said to me must be my fault that my house must be dirty to have had fleas then mites.>I was v upset said this can hapen to anyone>...yeah but why you?>I said....fungal infections atract the mites>...i got told im crazy n need a psychistrist!!!>Some people are stupid ignorant v awful actually>Unbelievable>I got told it must be my fault!!!!!>I was in tears naturaly!:-(>Oh thanks for advice,shall need look up many things u mentioned>Yes they worse at night>Cats ears realy bothering her but thought it fleas even though she had flea sterilization tablets five months>Put diatemeous earth on her ears every day>Clean hibiscrub dilute n vinegar>Do best i

can with her poor soul>An washed everythin 60 degree but stil no enough>Will have to move as council will not put scafold up to demolish n get imto roof cavity>Not enough blockin up holes>But what is it safe to bring>What if cat infects new place>Think all shoes boots have to be thrown out>They badly infested>Is there a way to cure them?>Scared to bring clothes bedding>Incase infest>Will i have to wash everything again before i take it in borax?>But i dry hanging up in my flat >So what point as get infested hangin up>Would it be safe to bag n bring new property>N wash one at a time?>Also worried re sample>If they dont id it landlord etc prob wont take me seriously>Its just awful>Glad to know others like you have recovered>N understand>Thanks>C>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 00:38 GMT Goldstein@... wrote:>>>Where do you live ? I'm having an increase in carpal tunnel on right hand right now, so won't be able to type too much. Sounds very much like birdmites to me. Everything you describe I had. All of it. That was in 2008, April. If you can't find the source of the where the mites came in and if birds are still using that space, you will need to move. You have to remove the source of the infestation and if there are birds and/or nests there, they will continue to want to find another host (you). Whatever is nearest seems to get it, including your cat. I never found birdmites in our house, nor did pest control, but county pest control did find rodent droppings and we had been around birds quite a bit too. Something very weird is happening in nature right now that all of us are

coming down with similar symptoms, usually gardening related or bird related, or sometimes related to some particular insect that bit us or came into our homes. Remember bees>going through colony collapse syndrome? I think it is being caused by something, may be mite, might be something else that is killing certain things off. >>>>>>All the products you mentioned I used. If you choose to stay where you are maybe you could buy a fogger and some Cedarcide but the place where the infestation must be dealt with, then start to do internals quickly. Don't wait. I would start with bathing in Borax and Arm and Hammer and if they are mites on the outside or the body, this seems to start to kill them, while dealing with the environmental infestation too. They go internal so start taking MSM and start to alkalinize your internal system by improving your diet, eliminating sugars, anything artificial, getting your internal system

in tip top shape. MMS also is an option if you have little money and that should be used in a bath too, 40 activated drops in a tub of water and soak whole body, head, etc. This should be done daily. Start taking MMS one drop at a time, activated, 3x/day and increasing dose each day by one drop. This starts to kill fungus and other microbes in the body. >>>>>>Keep cleaning and hoovering, change bag frequently and keep hoover outside if possible. If you have a bagless hoover, flush out the part that holds the dirt with hot hot water frequently. Get diatomaceous earth and spread it wherever you can because they don't seem to move well in DE and it may kill them. We had less movement with DE. On clothing, do you have a steam iron and ironing board? Iron your clothing during this time. I was a proponent of purchasing a steam press (like used in dry cleaners, only much smaller)... we purchased one and I steamed everything for a

year, even small towels. It helps more than you can imagine. If these are birdmites, they hide during the day and come out mainly at night. They are microscopic, but try to get an ID if possible. I believe they are birdmites from the description. >>>>>>This is not a quick process so you will have to work on coping skills a lot. It was one of the worst times in our lives here. We tossed over half of our belongings and many here on this site moved, some multiple times, but ultimately after things start to be more or less under control, most people discover they have to work on internal measures because for some reason you were picked as a host and internal bacterias, fungi, etc., attract these particular mites to us. So you have to work on internals. Some found medications helpful - some developed or had pre-existing Lyme Disease (I did and many others) and now are working on those issues almost solely.

>>>>>>I'd say pray often... keep it up. If this takes you to a place of fear, ask God for help. Many of us felt suicidal at the beginning... I felt like burning my townhouse down, but didn't. We removed all carpeting, sprayed and sprayed and kept spraying, cleaning, removing fungus and molds... unfortunately it is expensive all the clean up. Keep sharing and others will help you sort routines out. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> overwhelmed and terribly depressed >>>>Dear all >>Im new to the site ,hello and sorry we all have to be here!:-( >>Though good theres a site to help each other!:-) >>I need some help! >>Live on my own with my wee old ill cat n have rented here three years n loved it until my problems started in july >>My cat an indoor cat but caught fleas somehow in july >>The flat got infested >>>>Spent six weeks exhaustin myself tryin enviromentaly safe ways to get rid fleas,as well as gve cat program to sterilize fleas >>I was bitten,used salt,bicarb soda,steamer,enviromental friendly flea spray,diatemeous earth then two lots spray oct n nov of permethrin with igr in it >>The spray help a bit fleas nearly away >>But had said for months as well as what looked like fleas were

tiny black dots >>>>All footwear infested >>Crawlin sensation clothes >>Permethrin shoes several times still bad bitten >>Pinprick bites >>Afectin my mental health now went on too long >>Hooverin like mad lady >>Washed all clothes 60 degree,have no dryer but still. Crawling >>Pestcontrol say think bird mites >>To give sample >>But twice when spray permethrin i felt ill >>N old cat sickness diareah for weeks >>Pest people cant get to roof without scafolding but say can block holes in flat >>And want to spray strong chemicals >>My cat cannot be around anymore sprayin >>I dont want it either >>I have bad physical health >>>>Fireplace in bedroom >>Gunk fell from roof >>Disgusting black stuff n bread pieces >>Pest folk think nest in roof

>>Holes in roof >>Heard birds between bedroom n roof partician >>And cats ears realy infected >>And itchy >>Not clearing up >>Tiny black dots >>Have they infected my wee darling? >>I put on one pair shoes >>Every toe bitten >>Tiny things >>I pulled off >>More apeared >>It went on n on >>Horific >>Avoiding people >>Csnt wear suede jackets >>All boots shoes >>Wear one boot >>Washed disinfectant vinegar hairdrier twenty mins >>Help a bit >>Put cup vinegar in with wash >>Not enough >>Woll have to wash everything again >>I read borax vinegar epsom salts good ammonia >>Please help regard exactly how to treat shoes n clothes >>I realise i have to leave here before i go crazy >>Will leave all my

furniture throw out >>A lot of is wood >>I hear thats no good with mites >>But what if my clothes still affected >>N my cat >>She old kidney heart disease a lump >>She cant take much chemicals now >>I ripped al covers off my books >>Are they safe? >>Im ill over this n most people around me dont know whats wrong >>Hid it from them >>Feel like a leper with it >>When in shoes or clothes v scared give other folk >>One friend knows n said she itchy for week or so >>I very scared id given her it >>Cant even go friends house or hug goodbye >>Getting fat comfort eating >>N doctor gave valium as im so stressed >>Is it posible to move safely >>While im here id get them to hole up holes >>Then up to landlord if he want to chemical spray or not >>Dreading

telling landlord >>This was my home >>Best place i ever lived >>Until this hapened >>I didnt want to leave >>But with all my stuff infested >>Cant cope >>Please help >>Worried for cat >>Talkin to vet now to check swab ears >>Scratching legs as i write >>Even if they dont find mites in the sample >>I know they are there >>Hurts to talk to doctor n she sugest psychological help n says had anyone seen them >>As if makin it up!!!! >>My friend saw lot fleas in summer >>N i know what going through with these tiny things >>Whats the best way to treat my shoes >>Cat >>Flat(without chemicals) >>Sorry this is so long >>I really need someone to understand what im going through n help me >>Im alone in this( have no family apart from cat)

>>I was strong at first >>But struggling hugely to cope now,retiring to bed,but often get bitten,even though plastic covers >>And whole rigmarole everything bagged,cleanin tea tree,clean feet when touch floor >>Bitten in night examining bed >>Bugsocks pesticide n insrcticide in boots >>Its a nightmare >>Hell >>I despair when i read what others cope with also >>How do you not have breakdowns >>Thanks so much for listening >>Grateful for any help >>And any friends >>As we go through these difficulties >>Best wishes >>C >>>>>>>>------------------------------------ >>>>

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-I did not get rid of my belongings. They eventually died. Was it easier at the new residence? I don't know, they were still there for a full year. Then I moved again because I was too sick to take care of myself anymore. They moved with me a second time. I treated Lyme and other chronic infections and things resolved. I do not do the crazy cleaning anymore and I can wear all my clothing without any problems. AandrayaOn Dec 3, 2011, at 5:31 AM, christine french wrote: Thank you aandraya I will try best build immune system up I have to leave as council say they cant get into roof so block up holes not enough Was it not easier to rid infestation in new property Will i have get rid all my clothes n beddin n books? This realy is horendous What hapened in ur new property did u resolve it? Thanks C On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 00:22 GMT Aandraya Da Silva wrote: >- > >I have gotten through the infestation. I did move but the bugs moved with me, they are attracted to your body due to infections. Most have Lyme at the root as well as co-infections and opportunistic infections(often fungal). When I got treated for the infections the biting stopped 100% and eventually I didn't get the black specks on the skin, lint cocoons, etc. It took one year of aggressive treatment to resolve it. Now I am still treating my infections, but getting better. Most cats carry Bartonella which will take down your immune system, it usually is present with Lyme. There are a couple good Lyme literate doctors that know how to diagnose and treat all these infections in the UK, I don't know their names, but if you go to 's Eurolyme they can direct you. > >Aandraya > > >On Dec 2, 2011, at 4:50 PM, christine french wrote: > >> Dear all >> Im new to the site ,hello and sorry we all have to be here!:-( >> Though good theres a site to help each other!:-) >> I need some help! >> Live on my own with my wee old ill cat n have rented here three years n loved it until my problems started in july >> My cat an indoor cat but caught fleas somehow in july >> The flat got infested >> >> Spent six weeks exhaustin myself tryin enviromentaly safe ways to get rid fleas,as well as gve cat program to sterilize fleas >> I was bitten,used salt,bicarb soda,steamer,enviromental friendly flea spray,diatemeous earth then two lots spray oct n nov of permethrin with igr in it >> The spray help a bit fleas nearly away >> But had said for months as well as what looked like fleas were tiny black dots >> >> All footwear infested >> Crawlin sensation clothes >> Permethrin shoes several times still bad bitten >> Pinprick bites >> Afectin my mental health now went on too long >> Hooverin like mad lady >> Washed all clothes 60 degree,have no dryer but still. Crawling >> Pestcontrol say think bird mites >> To give sample >> But twice when spray permethrin i felt ill >> N old cat sickness diareah for weeks >> Pest people cant get to roof without scafolding but say can block holes in flat >> And want to spray strong chemicals >> My cat cannot be around anymore sprayin >> I dont want it either >> I have bad physical health >> >> Fireplace in bedroom >> Gunk fell from roof >> Disgusting black stuff n bread pieces >> Pest folk think nest in roof >> Holes in roof >> Heard birds between bedroom n roof partician >> And cats ears realy infected >> And itchy >> Not clearing up >> Tiny black dots >> Have they infected my wee darling? >> I put on one pair shoes >> Every toe bitten >> Tiny things >> I pulled off >> More apeared >> It went on n on >> Horific >> Avoiding people >> Csnt wear suede jackets >> All boots shoes >> Wear one boot >> Washed disinfectant vinegar hairdrier twenty mins >> Help a bit >> Put cup vinegar in with wash >> Not enough >> Woll have to wash everything again >> I read borax vinegar epsom salts good ammonia >> Please help regard exactly how to treat shoes n clothes >> I realise i have to leave here before i go crazy >> Will leave all my furniture throw out >> A lot of is wood >> I hear thats no good with mites >> But what if my clothes still affected >> N my cat >> She old kidney heart disease a lump >> She cant take much chemicals now >> I ripped al covers off my books >> Are they safe? >> Im ill over this n most people around me dont know whats wrong >> Hid it from them >> Feel like a leper with it >> When in shoes or clothes v scared give other folk >> One friend knows n said she itchy for week or so >> I very scared id given her it >> Cant even go friends house or hug goodbye >> Getting fat comfort eating >> N doctor gave valium as im so stressed >> Is it posible to move safely >> While im here id get them to hole up holes >> Then up to landlord if he want to chemical spray or not >> Dreading telling landlord >> This was my home >> Best place i ever lived >> Until this hapened >> I didnt want to leave >> But with all my stuff infested >> Cant cope >> Please help >> Worried for cat >> Talkin to vet now to check swab ears >> Scratching legs as i write >> Even if they dont find mites in the sample >> I know they are there >> Hurts to talk to doctor n she sugest psychological help n says had anyone seen them >> As if makin it up!!!! >> My friend saw lot fleas in summer >> N i know what going through with these tiny things >> Whats the best way to treat my shoes >> Cat >> Flat(without chemicals) >> Sorry this is so long >> I really need someone to understand what im going through n help me >> Im alone in this( have no family apart from cat) >> I was strong at first >> But struggling hugely to cope now,retiring to bed,but often get bitten,even though plastic covers >> And whole rigmarole everything bagged,cleanin tea tree,clean feet when touch floor >> Bitten in night examining bed >> Bugsocks pesticide n insrcticide in boots >> Its a nightmare >> Hell >> I despair when i read what others cope with also >> How do you not have breakdowns >> Thanks so much for listening >> Grateful for any help >> And any friends >> As we go through these difficulties >> Best wishes >> C >> >> >

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You're cat could very likely be ill with Bartonella as well as other infections.On Dec 3, 2011, at 6:28 AM, christine french wrote: Thanks claire I will get borax n acvinegar Give wee karma acv But she nearly 19 Together 18years Wonderful wee girl full of love for her mama I thought it fleas even though on program five months now N diatemous earth ears Now know it isnt tiny fleas! She had sickness diareah for weeks eveey time sprayed permethrin Heart braking Obviously she not here when spray but afected her She very sensitive To everythin Like her mama Chemicals dont agree Im worried what if cant cure her Would she infest other flat? Friends say put her down But though many health problems She still eatin n enjoys food Shr awake at night with her ears bothering her Though i clean them nearly every day Poor soul as hasnt got long on this earth N this been the worst six month of her life I wanted her last times on earth peaceful N full of love Not fleas Sorted them Then mites N a distressed mummy I know you will understand having an old cat yourself!:-( C On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 01:29 GMT minnesota_granny wrote: >Dear C, >I really feel for you. I had similar problems starting in July too. What helped us was drinking apple cider vinegar in water many times a day. I also drank water with baking soda (1tsp) and borax (1/8th tsp) mixed with 26 oz of water, for 3 days, then off the borax for 2 days (did this for a month). I ran a dehumidifier all the time. I used a zapper on my cat and myself. The zapper was a little expensive, but it really worked. I am still using it, I feel them hit me, but no more bites. It is much more difficult to get the cat clear of them. My cat is old, and I fed her a little food grade DE in her cat food, plus a little vinegar/water. I am no longer bothered by them, but I feel them when I go into closets. I had my ducts cleaned but still seem to sweep up debris. I have not moved, but I think it may be a fungal infection that attracts these mites. >Hope this helps, > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear all >> Im new to the site ,hello and sorry we all have to be here!:-( >> Though good theres a site to help each other!:-) >> I need some help! >> Live on my own with my wee old ill cat n have rented here three years n loved it until my problems started in july >> My cat an indoor cat but caught fleas somehow in july >> The flat got infested >> >> Spent six weeks exhaustin myself tryin enviromentaly safe ways to get rid fleas,as well as gve cat program to sterilize fleas >> I was bitten,used salt,bicarb soda,steamer,enviromental friendly flea spray,diatemeous earth then two lots spray oct n nov of permethrin with igr in it >> The spray help a bit fleas nearly away >> But had said for months as well as what looked like fleas were tiny black dots >> >> All footwear infested >> Crawlin sensation clothes >> Permethrin shoes several times still bad bitten >> Pinprick bites >> Afectin my mental health now went on too long >> Hooverin like mad lady >> Washed all clothes 60 degree,have no dryer but still. Crawling >> Pestcontrol say think bird mites >> To give sample >> But twice when spray permethrin i felt ill >> N old cat sickness diareah for weeks >> Pest people cant get to roof without scafolding but say can block holes in flat >> And want to spray strong chemicals >> My cat cannot be around anymore sprayin >> I dont want it either >> I have bad physical health >> >> Fireplace in bedroom >> Gunk fell from roof >> Disgusting black stuff n bread pieces >> Pest folk think nest in roof >> Holes in roof >> Heard birds between bedroom n roof partician >> And cats ears realy infected >> And itchy >> Not clearing up >> Tiny black dots >> Have they infected my wee darling? >> I put on one pair shoes >> Every toe bitten >> Tiny things >> I pulled off >> More apeared >> It went on n on >> Horific >> Avoiding people >> Csnt wear suede jackets >> All boots shoes >> Wear one boot >> Washed disinfectant vinegar hairdrier twenty mins >> Help a bit >> Put cup vinegar in with wash >> Not enough >> Woll have to wash everything again >> I read borax vinegar epsom salts good ammonia >> Please help regard exactly how to treat shoes n clothes >> I realise i have to leave here before i go crazy >> Will leave all my furniture throw out >> A lot of is wood >> I hear thats no good with mites >> But what if my clothes still affected >> N my cat >> She old kidney heart disease a lump >> She cant take much chemicals now >> I ripped al covers off my books >> Are they safe? >> Im ill over this n most people around me dont know whats wrong >> Hid it from them >> Feel like a leper with it >> When in shoes or clothes v scared give other folk >> One friend knows n said she itchy for week or so >> I very scared id given her it >> Cant even go friends house or hug goodbye >> Getting fat comfort eating >> N doctor gave valium as im so stressed >> Is it posible to move safely >> While im here id get them to hole up holes >> Then up to landlord if he want to chemical spray or not >> Dreading telling landlord >> This was my home >> Best place i ever lived >> Until this hapened >> I didnt want to leave >> But with all my stuff infested >> Cant cope >> Please help >> Worried for cat >> Talkin to vet now to check swab ears >> Scratching legs as i write >> Even if they dont find mites in the sample >> I know they are there >> Hurts to talk to doctor n she sugest psychological help n says had anyone seen them >> As if makin it up!!!! >> My friend saw lot fleas in summer >> N i know what going through with these tiny things >> Whats the best way to treat my shoes >> Cat >> Flat(without chemicals) >> Sorry this is so long >> I really need someone to understand what im going through n help me >> Im alone in this( have no family apart from cat) >> I was strong at first >> But struggling hugely to cope now,retiring to bed,but often get bitten,even though plastic covers >> And whole rigmarole everything bagged,cleanin tea tree,clean feet when touch floor >> Bitten in night examining bed >> Bugsocks pesticide n insrcticide in boots >> Its a nightmare >> Hell >> I despair when i read what others cope with also >> How do you not have breakdowns >> Thanks so much for listening >> Grateful for any help >> And any friends >> As we go through these difficulties >> Best wishes >> C >> > >

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Funny, Lyme sympoms typically flare in spring and fall too. AsOn Dec 3, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Benton <sarahbenton48@...> wrote:

Hi ,

So sorry you must join us like this. So many on this site are getting along much better with all the great advice.

I moved and threw all my 1 year old furniture out in cluding washer, dryer and computer. Not knowing I had a fungal infection, my problems soon came back in my new place. Internal meds are helping and I spray 1 cup of Lysol complete clean per gallon of water on ceilings, rugs, walls, you name it. I even bathe in it from time to time. I think I will have to move again as I suspect an abandoned bird's nest in the sealed roof of my porch. I have found they come in and attack me in the Spring and in the Fall. At first, I thought I brought them, but this last attack showed me where they were coming from. Some have ordered the preditor mites that eat the birdmites. I believe that the temperature must be right though. Not too cold. When I move, I intend to get some and introduce them to my new place just in case. I hope your

move goes well. My pet had died one year before this happened to me, so I did not have to worry about her. I can't imagine watching your baby suffer.

Love and light,

From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>bird mites Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 11:45 AMSubject: Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressed

Thanks cecillaYou literally brought nothing?Im so confused as to what to keep or notDont think can stay here anylongerBut worried cat a carrierHad 18 yearsShe with me for lifeCOn Sat, Dec 3, 2011 16:22 GMT Cecilia Borg wrote:>Hi, !>I am sorry to hear you have got the birdmites, it´s such hell...>We moved and brought ---Nothing, to get rid of them, but I know people here who has gotten rid of them without moving, so>let´s hope you can be one of them...>KR>Cecilia>>>________________________________>From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>>bird mites

>Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:06 PM>Subject: Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressed>>> >Thanks linda>I live scotland>Someone just said to me must be my fault that my house must be dirty to have had fleas then mites.>I was v upset said this can hapen to anyone>...yeah but why you?>I said....fungal infections atract the mites>...i got told im crazy n need a psychistrist!!!>Some people are stupid ignorant v awful actually>Unbelievable>I got told it must be my fault!!!!!>I was in tears naturaly!:-(>Oh thanks for advice,shall need look up many things u mentioned>Yes they worse at night>Cats ears realy bothering her but thought it fleas even though she had flea sterilization tablets five months>Put diatemeous earth on her ears every day>Clean hibiscrub dilute n vinegar>Do best i

can with her poor soul>An washed everythin 60 degree but stil no enough>Will have to move as council will not put scafold up to demolish n get imto roof cavity>Not enough blockin up holes>But what is it safe to bring>What if cat infects new place>Think all shoes boots have to be thrown out>They badly infested>Is there a way to cure them?>Scared to bring clothes bedding>Incase infest>Will i have to wash everything again before i take it in borax?>But i dry hanging up in my flat >So what point as get infested hangin up>Would it be safe to bag n bring new property>N wash one at a time?>Also worried re sample>If they dont id it landlord etc prob wont take me seriously>Its just awful>Glad to know others like you have recovered>N understand>Thanks>C>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 00:38 GMT Goldstein@... wrote:>>>Where do you live ? I'm having an increase in carpal tunnel on right hand right now, so won't be able to type too much. Sounds very much like birdmites to me. Everything you describe I had. All of it. That was in 2008, April. If you can't find the source of the where the mites came in and if birds are still using that space, you will need to move. You have to remove the source of the infestation and if there are birds and/or nests there, they will continue to want to find another host (you). Whatever is nearest seems to get it, including your cat. I never found birdmites in our house, nor did pest control, but county pest control did find rodent droppings and we had been around birds quite a bit too. Something very weird is happening in nature right now that all of us are

coming down with similar symptoms, usually gardening related or bird related, or sometimes related to some particular insect that bit us or came into our homes. Remember bees>going through colony collapse syndrome? I think it is being caused by something, may be mite, might be something else that is killing certain things off. >>>>>>All the products you mentioned I used. If you choose to stay where you are maybe you could buy a fogger and some Cedarcide but the place where the infestation must be dealt with, then start to do internals quickly. Don't wait. I would start with bathing in Borax and Arm and Hammer and if they are mites on the outside or the body, this seems to start to kill them, while dealing with the environmental infestation too. They go internal so start taking MSM and start to alkalinize your internal system by improving your diet, eliminating sugars, anything artificial, getting your internal system

in tip top shape. MMS also is an option if you have little money and that should be used in a bath too, 40 activated drops in a tub of water and soak whole body, head, etc. This should be done daily. Start taking MMS one drop at a time, activated, 3x/day and increasing dose each day by one drop. This starts to kill fungus and other microbes in the body. >>>>>>Keep cleaning and hoovering, change bag frequently and keep hoover outside if possible. If you have a bagless hoover, flush out the part that holds the dirt with hot hot water frequently. Get diatomaceous earth and spread it wherever you can because they don't seem to move well in DE and it may kill them. We had less movement with DE. On clothing, do you have a steam iron and ironing board? Iron your clothing during this time. I was a proponent of purchasing a steam press (like used in dry cleaners, only much smaller)... we purchased one and I steamed everything for a

year, even small towels. It helps more than you can imagine. If these are birdmites, they hide during the day and come out mainly at night. They are microscopic, but try to get an ID if possible. I believe they are birdmites from the description. >>>>>>This is not a quick process so you will have to work on coping skills a lot. It was one of the worst times in our lives here. We tossed over half of our belongings and many here on this site moved, some multiple times, but ultimately after things start to be more or less under control, most people discover they have to work on internal measures because for some reason you were picked as a host and internal bacterias, fungi, etc., attract these particular mites to us. So you have to work on internals. Some found medications helpful - some developed or had pre-existing Lyme Disease (I did and many others) and now are working on those issues almost solely.

>>>>>>I'd say pray often... keep it up. If this takes you to a place of fear, ask God for help. Many of us felt suicidal at the beginning... I felt like burning my townhouse down, but didn't. We removed all carpeting, sprayed and sprayed and kept spraying, cleaning, removing fungus and molds... unfortunately it is expensive all the clean up. Keep sharing and others will help you sort routines out. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> overwhelmed and terribly depressed >>>>Dear all >>Im new to the site ,hello and sorry we all have to be here!:-( >>Though good theres a site to help each other!:-) >>I need some help! >>Live on my own with my wee old ill cat n have rented here three years n loved it until my problems started in july >>My cat an indoor cat but caught fleas somehow in july >>The flat got infested >>>>Spent six weeks exhaustin myself tryin enviromentaly safe ways to get rid fleas,as well as gve cat program to sterilize fleas >>I was bitten,used salt,bicarb soda,steamer,enviromental friendly flea spray,diatemeous earth then two lots spray oct n nov of permethrin with igr in it >>The spray help a bit fleas nearly away >>But had said for months as well as what looked like fleas were

tiny black dots >>>>All footwear infested >>Crawlin sensation clothes >>Permethrin shoes several times still bad bitten >>Pinprick bites >>Afectin my mental health now went on too long >>Hooverin like mad lady >>Washed all clothes 60 degree,have no dryer but still. Crawling >>Pestcontrol say think bird mites >>To give sample >>But twice when spray permethrin i felt ill >>N old cat sickness diareah for weeks >>Pest people cant get to roof without scafolding but say can block holes in flat >>And want to spray strong chemicals >>My cat cannot be around anymore sprayin >>I dont want it either >>I have bad physical health >>>>Fireplace in bedroom >>Gunk fell from roof >>Disgusting black stuff n bread pieces >>Pest folk think nest in roof

>>Holes in roof >>Heard birds between bedroom n roof partician >>And cats ears realy infected >>And itchy >>Not clearing up >>Tiny black dots >>Have they infected my wee darling? >>I put on one pair shoes >>Every toe bitten >>Tiny things >>I pulled off >>More apeared >>It went on n on >>Horific >>Avoiding people >>Csnt wear suede jackets >>All boots shoes >>Wear one boot >>Washed disinfectant vinegar hairdrier twenty mins >>Help a bit >>Put cup vinegar in with wash >>Not enough >>Woll have to wash everything again >>I read borax vinegar epsom salts good ammonia >>Please help regard exactly how to treat shoes n clothes >>I realise i have to leave here before i go crazy >>Will leave all my

furniture throw out >>A lot of is wood >>I hear thats no good with mites >>But what if my clothes still affected >>N my cat >>She old kidney heart disease a lump >>She cant take much chemicals now >>I ripped al covers off my books >>Are they safe? >>Im ill over this n most people around me dont know whats wrong >>Hid it from them >>Feel like a leper with it >>When in shoes or clothes v scared give other folk >>One friend knows n said she itchy for week or so >>I very scared id given her it >>Cant even go friends house or hug goodbye >>Getting fat comfort eating >>N doctor gave valium as im so stressed >>Is it posible to move safely >>While im here id get them to hole up holes >>Then up to landlord if he want to chemical spray or not >>Dreading

telling landlord >>This was my home >>Best place i ever lived >>Until this hapened >>I didnt want to leave >>But with all my stuff infested >>Cant cope >>Please help >>Worried for cat >>Talkin to vet now to check swab ears >>Scratching legs as i write >>Even if they dont find mites in the sample >>I know they are there >>Hurts to talk to doctor n she sugest psychological help n says had anyone seen them >>As if makin it up!!!! >>My friend saw lot fleas in summer >>N i know what going through with these tiny things >>Whats the best way to treat my shoes >>Cat >>Flat(without chemicals) >>Sorry this is so long >>I really need someone to understand what im going through n help me >>Im alone in this( have no family apart from cat)

>>I was strong at first >>But struggling hugely to cope now,retiring to bed,but often get bitten,even though plastic covers >>And whole rigmarole everything bagged,cleanin tea tree,clean feet when touch floor >>Bitten in night examining bed >>Bugsocks pesticide n insrcticide in boots >>Its a nightmare >>Hell >>I despair when i read what others cope with also >>How do you not have breakdowns >>Thanks so much for listening >>Grateful for any help >>And any friends >>As we go through these difficulties >>Best wishes >>C >>>>>>>>------------------------------------ >>>>

[Guest guest]

Hi cecillia

Thanks

Yeah karma on heatpad on pillow next to me,ears twitching litle black dots

Even thoughout dilute anti bac cleaned out nearly every day then d earth,though

as linda said maybe mites so small to be killed by d e.

Cant stop her from jumping down

Put d e on bed

Plastic covers

Wash my feet wi wet wipes everytime touch floor as little black things between

toes then crawlin or pinprick if dont take off

Cant stop karma sleep there,been 18 years

She got ill heart disease n a lump just since june n this evil infestation o

mites july

Poor girl

If vet puts on selamectin worried she get ill

Pesticide made v sick n she kidney disease now

Slowly on her way out

But so heartbraking it like this wi bugs

N a devestated mummy:+(

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 16:56 GMT Elissa wrote:

>Since they can't get to birds nest and patch roof....it might be best to

>move. Every time you get rid of them, they will come back from the source,

>their nests.

>

>I cover my floors around my bed in baking soda so they can't crawl up at

>night and put clean sheets from my bin on after I'm showered.

>

>Does your cat sleep in bed with you? She is probably bringing them in

>every night if so. Maybe sprinkle her with baking soda in the dry bath tub

>then carry her to the bed. I don't let my son on the floor after his

>nightly.bath. Straight to bed from my arms.

>

>On Dec 3, 2011 11:23 AM, " Cecilia Borg " <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

>

>**

>

>

>Hi, !

>I am sorry to hear you have got the birdmites, it´s such hell...

>We moved and brought ---Nothing, to get rid of them, but I know people here

>who has gotten rid of them without moving, so

>let´s hope you can be one of them...

>KR

>Cecilia

>

> From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>

>bird mites

>*Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:06 PM

>*Subject:* Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressed

>

>

>

>Thanks linda

>I live scotland

>Someone just said to me must be my fault that my house must be dirty...

>

[Guest guest]

Soery that was elissa not cecillia!

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 16:56 GMT Elissa wrote:

>Since they can't get to birds nest and patch roof....it might be best to

>move. Every time you get rid of them, they will come back from the source,

>their nests.

>

>I cover my floors around my bed in baking soda so they can't crawl up at

>night and put clean sheets from my bin on after I'm showered.

>

>Does your cat sleep in bed with you? She is probably bringing them in

>every night if so. Maybe sprinkle her with baking soda in the dry bath tub

>then carry her to the bed. I don't let my son on the floor after his

>nightly.bath. Straight to bed from my arms.

>

>On Dec 3, 2011 11:23 AM, " Cecilia Borg " <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

>

>**

>

>

>Hi, !

>I am sorry to hear you have got the birdmites, it´s such hell...

>We moved and brought ---Nothing, to get rid of them, but I know people here

>who has gotten rid of them without moving, so

>let´s hope you can be one of them...

>KR

>Cecilia

>

> From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>

>bird mites

>*Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:06 PM

>*Subject:* Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressed

>

>

>

>Thanks linda

>I live scotland

>Someone just said to me must be my fault that my house must be dirty...

>

[Guest guest]

- I HIGHLY recommend that you not sleep with your cat.AaOn Dec 3, 2011, at 11:43 PM, christine french wrote: Hi cecillia Thanks Yeah karma on heatpad on pillow next to me,ears twitching litle black dots Even thoughout dilute anti bac cleaned out nearly every day then d earth,though as linda said maybe mites so small to be killed by d e. Cant stop her from jumping down Put d e on bed Plastic covers Wash my feet wi wet wipes everytime touch floor as little black things between toes then crawlin or pinprick if dont take off Cant stop karma sleep there,been 18 years She got ill heart disease n a lump just since june n this evil infestation o mites july Poor girl If vet puts on selamectin worried she get ill Pesticide made v sick n she kidney disease now Slowly on her way out But so heartbraking it like this wi bugs N a devestated mummy:+( On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 16:56 GMT Elissa wrote: >Since they can't get to birds nest and patch roof....it might be best to >move. Every time you get rid of them, they will come back from the source, >their nests. > >I cover my floors around my bed in baking soda so they can't crawl up at >night and put clean sheets from my bin on after I'm showered. > >Does your cat sleep in bed with you? She is probably bringing them in >every night if so. Maybe sprinkle her with baking soda in the dry bath tub >then carry her to the bed. I don't let my son on the floor after his >nightly.bath. Straight to bed from my arms. > >On Dec 3, 2011 11:23 AM, "Cecilia Borg" <ceciliaborg@...> wrote: > >** > > >Hi, ! >I am sorry to hear you have got the birdmites, it´s such hell... >We moved and brought ---Nothing, to get rid of them, but I know people here >who has gotten rid of them without moving, so >let´s hope you can be one of them... >KR >Cecilia > > From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...> >bird mites >*Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:06 PM >*Subject:* Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressed > > > >Thanks linda >I live scotland >Someone just said to me must be my fault that my house must be dirty... >

[Guest guest]

Shes on her way out re health

I agree re mites its not good

But impossible after 18 years to lock her out of the room

Shes suffering enough!

But yeah it dificult situation:-(

C

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 06:07 GMT Aandraya Da Silva wrote:

>- I HIGHLY recommend that you not sleep with your cat.

>

>Aa

>

>

>On Dec 3, 2011, at 11:43 PM, christine french wrote:

>

>> Hi cecillia

>> Thanks

>> Yeah karma on heatpad on pillow next to me,ears twitching litle black dots

>> Even thoughout dilute anti bac cleaned out nearly every day then d

earth,though as linda said maybe mites so small to be killed by d e.

>> Cant stop her from jumping down

>> Put d e on bed

>> Plastic covers

>> Wash my feet wi wet wipes everytime touch floor as little black things

between toes then crawlin or pinprick if dont take off

>> Cant stop karma sleep there,been 18 years

>> She got ill heart disease n a lump just since june n this evil infestation o

mites july

>> Poor girl

>> If vet puts on selamectin worried she get ill

>> Pesticide made v sick n she kidney disease now

>> Slowly on her way out

>> But so heartbraking it like this wi bugs

>> N a devestated mummy:+(

>> On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 16:56 GMT Elissa wrote:

>>

>> >Since they can't get to birds nest and patch roof....it might be best to

>> >move. Every time you get rid of them, they will come back from the source,

>> >their nests.

>> >

>> >I cover my floors around my bed in baking soda so they can't crawl up at

>> >night and put clean sheets from my bin on after I'm showered.

>> >

>> >Does your cat sleep in bed with you? She is probably bringing them in

>> >every night if so. Maybe sprinkle her with baking soda in the dry bath tub

>> >then carry her to the bed. I don't let my son on the floor after his

>> >nightly.bath. Straight to bed from my arms.

>> >

>> >On Dec 3, 2011 11:23 AM, " Cecilia Borg " <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

>> >

>> >**

>> >

>> >

>> >Hi, !

>> >I am sorry to hear you have got the birdmites, it´s such hell...

>> >We moved and brought ---Nothing, to get rid of them, but I know people here

>> >who has gotten rid of them without moving, so

>> >let´s hope you can be one of them...

>> >KR

>> >Cecilia

>> >

>> > From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>

>> >bird mites

>> >*Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:06 PM

>> >*Subject:* Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressed

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >Thanks linda

>> >I live scotland

>> >Someone just said to me must be my fault that my house must be dirty...

>> >

>>

>>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks sarah

I hope things improve if u have to move

Sorry they still afecting you,not fair!!!

Yes im gutted for karma,shes 19,doesnt need this!

I dont either

Or you n everyone else here:-(

C

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 21:34 GMT Benton wrote:

>Hi ,

>     So sorry you must join us like this.  So many on this site are getting

along much better with all the great advice. 

>I moved and threw all my 1 year old furniture out in cluding washer, dryer and

computer.  Not knowing I had a fungal infection, my problems soon came back in

my new place.  Internal meds are helping and I spray 1 cup of Lysol complete

clean per gallon of water on ceilings, rugs, walls, you  name it.  I even bathe

in it from time to time.  I think I will have to move again as I suspect an

abandoned bird's nest in the sealed roof of my porch.  I have found they come in

and attack me in the Spring and in the Fall.  At first, I thought I brought

them, but this last attack showed me where they were coming from.  Some have

ordered the preditor mites that eat the birdmites.  I believe that the

temperature must be right though.  Not too cold.  When I move, I intend to get

some and introduce them to my new place just in case.  I hope your move goes

well.  My pet had died one year before this happened to me, so I did not have to

worry about her. 

> I can't imagine watching your baby suffer.

>Love and light,

>      

>

>

>________________________________

>From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>

>bird mites

>Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 11:45 AM

>Subject: Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressed

>

>

> 

>Thanks cecilla

>You literally brought nothing?

>Im so confused as to what to keep or not

>Dont think can stay here anylonger

>But worried cat a carrier

>Had 18 years

>She with me for life

>C

>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 16:22 GMT Cecilia Borg wrote:

>

>>Hi, !

>>I am sorry to hear you have got the birdmites, it´s such hell...

>>We moved and brought ---Nothing, to get rid of them, but I know people here

who has gotten rid of them without moving, so

>>let´s hope you can be one of them...

>>KR

>>Cecilia

>>

>>

>>________________________________

>>From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>

>>bird mites

>>Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:06 PM

>>Subject: Re: overwhelmed and terribly depressed

>>

>>

>> 

>>Thanks linda

>>I live scotland

>>Someone just said to me must be my fault that my house must be dirty to have

had fleas then mites.

>>I was v upset said this can hapen to anyone

>>...yeah but why you?

>>I said....fungal infections atract the mites

>>...i got told im crazy n need a psychistrist!!!

>>Some people are stupid ignorant v awful actually

>>Unbelievable

>>I got told it must be my fault!!!!!

>>I was in tears naturaly!:-(

>>Oh thanks for advice,shall need look up many things u mentioned

>>Yes they worse at night

>>Cats ears realy bothering her but thought it fleas even though she had flea

sterilization tablets five months

>>Put diatemeous earth on her ears every day

>>Clean hibiscrub dilute n vinegar

>>Do best i can with her poor soul

>>An washed everythin 60 degree but stil no enough

>>Will have to move as council will not put scafold up to demolish n get imto

roof cavity

>>Not enough blockin up holes

>>But what is it safe to bring

>>What if cat infects new place

>>Think all shoes boots have to be thrown out

>>They badly infested

>>Is there a way to cure them?

>>Scared to bring clothes bedding

>>Incase infest

>>Will i have to wash everything again before i take it in borax?

>>But i dry hanging up in my flat

>>So what point as get infested hangin up

>>Would it be safe to bag n bring new property

>>N wash one at a time?

>>Also worried re sample

>>If they dont id it landlord etc prob wont take me seriously

>>Its just awful

>>Glad to know others like you have recovered

>>N understand

>>Thanks

>>C

>>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 00:38 GMT Goldstein@... wrote:

>>

>>>Where do you live ? I'm having an increase in carpal tunnel on right

hand right now, so won't be able to type too much. Sounds very much like

birdmites to me. Everything you describe I had. All of it. That was in 2008,

April. If you can't find the source of the where the mites came in and if birds

are still using that space, you will need to move. You have to remove the source

of the infestation and if there are birds and/or nests there, they will continue

to want to find another host (you). Whatever is nearest seems to get it,

including your cat. I never found birdmites in our house, nor did pest control,

but county pest control did find rodent droppings and we had been around birds

quite a bit too. Something very weird is happening in nature right now that all

of us are coming down with similar symptoms, usually gardening related or bird

related, or sometimes related to some particular insect that bit us or came into

our homes. Remember

bees

>>going through colony collapse syndrome? I think it is being caused by

something, may be mite, might be something else that is killing certain things

off.

>>>

>>>

>>>All the products you mentioned I used. If you choose to stay where you are

maybe you could buy a fogger and some Cedarcide but the place where the

infestation must be dealt with, then start to do internals quickly. Don't wait.

I would start with bathing in Borax and Arm and Hammer and if they are mites on

the outside or the body, this seems to start to kill them, while dealing with

the environmental infestation too. They go internal so start taking MSM and

start to alkalinize your internal system by improving your diet, eliminating

sugars, anything artificial, getting your internal system in tip top shape. MMS

also is an option if you have little money and that should be used in a bath

too, 40 activated drops in a tub of water and soak whole body, head, etc. This

should be done daily. Start taking MMS one drop at a time, activated, 3x/day and

increasing dose each day by one drop. This starts to kill fungus and other

microbes in the body.

>>>

>>>

>>>Keep cleaning and hoovering, change bag frequently and keep hoover outside if

possible. If you have a bagless hoover, flush out the part that holds the dirt

with hot hot water frequently. Get diatomaceous earth and spread it wherever you

can because they don't seem to move well in DE and it may kill them. We had less

movement with DE. On clothing, do you have a steam iron and ironing board? Iron

your clothing during this time. I was a proponent of purchasing a steam press

(like used in dry cleaners, only much smaller)... we purchased one and I steamed

everything for a year, even small towels. It helps more than you can imagine. If

these are birdmites, they hide during the day and come out mainly at night. They

are microscopic, but try to get an ID if possible. I believe they are birdmites

from the description.

>>>

>>>

>>>This is not a quick process so you will have to work on coping skills a lot.

It was one of the worst times in our lives here. We tossed over half of our

belongings and many here on this site moved, some multiple times, but ultimately

after things start to be more or less under control, most people discover they

have to work on internal measures because for some reason you were picked as a

host and internal bacterias, fungi, etc., attract these particular mites to us.

So you have to work on internals. Some found medications helpful - some

developed or had pre-existing Lyme Disease (I did and many others) and now are

working on those issues almost solely.

>>>

>>>

>>>I'd say pray often... keep it up. If this takes you to a place of fear, ask

God for help. Many of us felt suicidal at the beginning... I felt like burning

my townhouse down, but didn't. We removed all carpeting, sprayed and sprayed and

kept spraying, cleaning, removing fungus and molds... unfortunately it is

expensive all the clean up. Keep sharing and others will help you sort routines

out.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> overwhelmed and terribly depressed

>>>

>>>Dear all

>>>Im new to the site ,hello and sorry we all have to be here!:-(

>>>Though good theres a site to help each other!:-)

>>>I need some help!

>>>Live on my own with my wee old ill cat n have rented here three years n loved

it until my problems started in july

>>>My cat an indoor cat but caught fleas somehow in july

>>>The flat got infested

>>>

>>>Spent six weeks exhaustin myself tryin enviromentaly safe ways to get rid

fleas,as well as gve cat program to sterilize fleas

>>>I was bitten,used salt,bicarb soda,steamer,enviromental friendly flea

spray,diatemeous earth then two lots spray oct n nov of permethrin with igr in

it

>>>The spray help a bit fleas nearly away

>>>But had said for months as well as what looked like fleas were tiny black

dots

>>>

>>>All footwear infested

>>>Crawlin sensation clothes

>>>Permethrin shoes several times still bad bitten

>>>Pinprick bites

>>>Afectin my mental health now went on too long

>>>Hooverin like mad lady

>>>Washed all clothes 60 degree,have no dryer but still. Crawling

>>>Pestcontrol say think bird mites

>>>To give sample

>>>But twice when spray permethrin i felt ill

>>>N old cat sickness diareah for weeks

>>>Pest people cant get to roof without scafolding but say can block holes in

flat

>>>And want to spray strong chemicals

>>>My cat cannot be around anymore sprayin

>>>I dont want it either

>>>I have bad physical health

>>>

>>>Fireplace in bedroom

>>>Gunk fell from roof

>>>Disgusting black stuff n bread pieces

>>>Pest folk think nest in roof

>>>Holes in roof

>>>Heard birds between bedroom n roof partician

>>>And cats ears realy infected

>>>And itchy

>>>Not clearing up

>>>Tiny black dots

>>>Have they infected my wee darling?

>>>I put on one pair shoes

>>>Every toe bitten

>>>Tiny things

>>>I pulled off

>>>More apeared

>>>It went on n on

>>>Horific

>>>Avoiding people

>>>Csnt wear suede jackets

>>>All boots shoes

>>>Wear one boot

>>>Washed disinfectant vinegar hairdrier twenty mins

>>>Help a bit

>>>Put cup vinegar in with wash

>>>Not enough

>>>Woll have to wash everything again

>>>I read borax vinegar epsom salts good ammonia

>>>Please help regard exactly how to treat shoes n clothes

>>>I realise i have to leave here before i go crazy

>>>Will leave all my furniture throw out

>>>A lot of is wood

>>>I hear thats no good with mites

>>>But what if my clothes still affected

>>>N my cat

>>>She old kidney heart disease a lump

>>>She cant take much chemicals now

>>>I ripped al covers off my books

>>>Are they safe?

>>>Im ill over this n most people around me dont know whats wrong

>>>Hid it from them

>>>Feel like a leper with it

>>>When in shoes or clothes v scared give other folk

>>>One friend knows n said she itchy for week or so

>>>I very scared id given her it

>>>Cant even go friends house or hug goodbye

>>>Getting fat comfort eating

>>>N doctor gave valium as im so stressed

>>>Is it posible to move safely

>>>While im here id get them to hole up holes

>>>Then up to landlord if he want to chemical spray or not

>>>Dreading telling landlord

>>>This was my home

>>>Best place i ever lived

>>>Until this hapened

>>>I didnt want to leave

>>>But with all my stuff infested

>>>Cant cope

>>>Please help

>>>Worried for cat

>>>Talkin to vet now to check swab ears

>>>Scratching legs as i write

>>>Even if they dont find mites in the sample

>>>I know they are there

>>>Hurts to talk to doctor n she sugest psychological help n says had anyone

seen them

>>>As if makin it up!!!!

>>>My friend saw lot fleas in summer

>>>N i know what going through with these tiny things

>>>Whats the best way to treat my shoes

>>>Cat

>>>Flat(without chemicals)

>>>Sorry this is so long

>>>I really need someone to understand what im going through n help me

>>>Im alone in this( have no family apart from cat)

>>>I was strong at first

>>>But struggling hugely to cope now,retiring to bed,but often get bitten,even

though plastic covers

>>>And whole rigmarole everything bagged,cleanin tea tree,clean feet when touch

floor

>>>Bitten in night examining bed

>>>Bugsocks pesticide n insrcticide in boots

>>>Its a nightmare

>>>Hell

>>>I despair when i read what others cope with also

>>>How do you not have breakdowns

>>>Thanks so much for listening

>>>Grateful for any help

>>>And any friends

>>>As we go through these difficulties

>>>Best wishes

>>>C

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