Re: Another diagnosis...it's in your head

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I've decided not to take them.  I want to see how my mood improves once I start treatment.

On Nov 11, 2011 8:28 PM, " Aggi Assmann " <aggi_assmann@...> wrote:

 

You are absolutely right ! This is the reason why I never took any anti-depressants. Been suicidal for about one year.

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An: bird mites Gesendet: 16:44 Freitag, 11.November 2011

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Very good decision Elissa ! Talking to the people here is the best anti-depressant you can find :-) Take care !

Von: Elissa <elissarachel@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 2:36 Samstag, 12.November 2011 Betreff: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

I've decided not to take them. I want to see how my mood improves once I start treatment.

On Nov 11, 2011 8:28 PM, "Aggi Assmann" <aggi_assmann@...> wrote:

You are absolutely right ! This is the reason why I never took any anti-depressants. Been suicidal for about one year.

Von: <terelynjon@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 16:44 Freitag, 11.November 2011 Betreff: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Hi, I just wanted to tell you that antidepressants are addicting b/c I have been on them b4. The...

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Agreed!

On Nov 11, 2011 8:48 PM, " Aggi Assmann " <aggi_assmann@...> wrote:

 

Very good decision Elissa ! Talking to the people here is the best anti-depressant you can find :-) Take care !

Von: Elissa <elissarachel@...>

An: bird mites Gesendet: 2:36 Samstag, 12.November 2011

Betreff: Re: Another diagnosis... " it's in your head "  I've decided not to take them.  I want to see how my mood improves once I start treatment.

>> On...

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I was on different antidepressants for 15 years. I never had a problem going off of them. If you do it correctly it does not have to be an issue. Cymbalta is the only one that took me time to wean off and I was taking high doses. After 1 year of Bartonella/Lyme treatment I went off all psychiatric medications.AandrayaOn Nov 11, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...> wrote:

You are absolutely right ! This is the reason why I never took any anti-depressants. Been suicidal for about one year.

Von: <terelynjon@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 16:44 Freitag, 11.November 2011 Betreff: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Hi, I just wanted to tell you that antidepressants are addicting b/c I have been on them b4. The docs say they are not, but I had a heck of a time getting off of them. It took me 6 months to quit amitriptyline and I felt suicidal a few times.

Anyway, if you get hooked on antidepressants you have to go back to your doc for refills and he will be evaluating your mental status and thus you are giving him more control over you. Anytime you get bites, etc. he can decide you are delusional and then tell you that you need a psych eval and if you are unlucky you can wind up on antipsychotic meds and if you could be prescribed Risperdal. It is a bad drug that will make you feel like u r crazy...I have been there and done that. Thank God I had sense enough not to take it. The best antidepressants are good food, sunshine, family, friends, Jesus, the Bible, good books. I think it is learning to live even with the problems.

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Aggi-These chronic infections go to the brain. The depression will get better as you progress in treatment. Now it's up and down for me. AaOn Nov 11, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...> wrote:

You are absolutely right ! This is the reason why I never took any anti-depressants. Been suicidal for about one year.

Von: <terelynjon@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 16:44 Freitag, 11.November 2011 Betreff: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Hi, I just wanted to tell you that antidepressants are addicting b/c I have been on them b4. The docs say they are not, but I had a heck of a time getting off of them. It took me 6 months to quit amitriptyline and I felt suicidal a few times.

Anyway, if you get hooked on antidepressants you have to go back to your doc for refills and he will be evaluating your mental status and thus you are giving him more control over you. Anytime you get bites, etc. he can decide you are delusional and then tell you that you need a psych eval and if you are unlucky you can wind up on antipsychotic meds and if you could be prescribed Risperdal. It is a bad drug that will make you feel like u r crazy...I have been there and done that. Thank God I had sense enough not to take it. The best antidepressants are good food, sunshine, family, friends, Jesus, the Bible, good books. I think it is learning to live even with the problems.

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Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just

severely depressed. gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is

not the cause of my symptoms. Should I take it?

Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > E

I have read many times and it has been my experience that some depression is

caused when a central area in the brain becomes dehydrated, it dry's out and we

get depressed. One time when I was in that black depressive funk, I remembered

this and drank 16 to 20 ounces of H2O over the course of 10 - 15 minutes and my

depression vanished. My depression has also vanished by just vacuming and doing

my dishes. One of my favorites was going to the gym and getting on the

eliptical thing-a-ma-bob for 30 mins, great for getting rid of emotional

baggage.

Through mindfulness I learned in meditation, I can some times see my depression

coming on and by just mindfully noticing that depressive cloak, it vanishes

instantly. This is so effective that sometimes I find myself laughing. Who new

paying attention had so many benefits. I also have had great consistent

results by mentally taking hold of my breath, (again from meditation) and

breathing with awareness and at the same time inviting a small smile to my face.

This smile relaxes the muscles in my face, and my body \ mind become peaceful

and happy. I have been doing this for years and it works every time I remember

to use it.

Sidepull

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Sidepull,Sounds like you are very in touch with your inner life and know that you can change a mood by changing your thoughts. Most of us can do this and this is something we learn when we practice meditation. I've done quite a bit of EFT and that helps to shift things too. Exercise helps and doing tasks as you have described - one other thing that works for me - really helps is the use of fish oil. I notice a big difference with depression when I forget to take fish oil every day. I am also taking lithium orotate... very useful and helpful too. If you can get along without an antidepressant, all the better. I decided to try Wellbutrin to help with my energy and get me out of my funk, but I had forgotten for a month or so about fish oil and I started it again today. It takes a few days to really kick in.From: "sidepull5150" <sidepull5150@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 8:05:50 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed. gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms. Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?> >> > Thanks> >> > EI have read many times and it has been my experience that some depression is caused when a central area in the brain becomes dehydrated, it dry's out and we get depressed. One time when I was in that black depressive funk, I remembered this and drank 16 to 20 ounces of H2O over the course of 10 - 15 minutes and my depression vanished. My depression has also vanished by just vacuming and doing my dishes. One of my favorites was going to the gym and getting on the eliptical thing-a-ma-bob for 30 mins, great for getting rid of emotional baggage.Through mindfulness I learned in meditation, I can some times see my depression coming on and by just mindfully noticing that depressive cloak, it vanishes instantly. This is so effective that sometimes I find myself laughing. Who new paying attention had so many benefits. I also have had great consistent results by mentally taking hold of my breath, (again from meditation) and breathing with awareness and at the same time inviting a small smile to my face. This smile relaxes the muscles in my face, and my body \ mind become peaceful and happy. I have been doing this for years and it works every time I remember to use it.Sidepull------------------------------------

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Thanks Elissa! I am going to look into this and will tell you what I learn.Sent from my iPodOn Nov 11, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Elissa <elissarachel@...> wrote:

Aandraya...you are so right!!!

My husband told me once if you are prescribed a med and can't afford it...you can call the pharmaceutical company and they deeply discount it or give it for free.

I can ask him more specifically tonight about the details!

On Nov 11, 2011 6:28 PM, "Aandraya" <aandraya@...> wrote:

- Do you ever buy from Canada or overseas? I have. Also, many drug companies have financial assisstance- you need to call them. Also, pharmacies have coupons and can hunt down discount meds.

AaOn Nov 11, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:> >> They won't cover any of my ...

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Elissa-Just so you know, you will most likely feel worse before you feel better when you start treatment. Killing the microbes in the body releases biotoxins in the system and makes you feel bad, but you can regulate it. Dr. Cameron will tell you this too.AandrayaOn Nov 11, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Elissa <elissarachel@...> wrote:

I've decided not to take them. I want to see how my mood improves once I start treatment.

On Nov 11, 2011 8:28 PM, "Aggi Assmann" <aggi_assmann@...> wrote:

You are absolutely right ! This is the reason why I never took any anti-depressants. Been suicidal for about one year.

Von: <terelynjon@...>

An: bird mites Gesendet: 16:44 Freitag, 11.November 2011

Betreff: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head" Hi, I just wanted to tell you that antidepressants are addicting b/c I have been on them b4. The...

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Cecilia- There must be at least a couple doctors who treat privately in Sweden? Are prescription meds cheap in Sweden?AaOn Nov 11, 2011, at 2:20 AM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

Hi Aandraya!Thanks for your reply. I don´t have sinus pain, only stuffed sinuses at night and no obsessive thinking anymore. Used to have it when we were fully attacked by the birdmites, but it has slowly worn off. No crawling sensations anymore either (thank god!)My 8 year old has had headaches 4 times this autumn (never had it before, but her father has occasional migrane) and she gets some few lesions spread out on her body now and then. The 2 year old has a lot of what they say is eczema. THat goes away with a mild cortison-creme though.I am really scared that the whole family has gotten lyme or somehing like it from the bird mite bites.I have been in contact with the eurolyme group, and they have given me the info to a Swedish

borrelia-cooperation, but they don´t have any helpl. No dr:s in Sweden are Lyme-dr:s. You have to go to Germany and pay a lot of money (that we don´t have)....THanks!CeciliaFrom: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:20 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Cecilia- Nightsweats are classic babesia. If you take the herb artemisia annua(artimisinin) Biopure in Europe has it) you'll know if you have it because the symptoms will be more pronounced. The sweats will increase! Yes, sinus pain is classic for Babesia too and fatigue is a given. Artemisia also treats Lyme. The famous trifecta is Lyme(Borrelia), bartonella, and babesia. Do you have anxiety or obsessive thinking type symptoms? What about the crawling sensations? That's bartonella.Aandraya On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

Aandraya!Would you say tiredness, stuffed sinuses , nightsweats would be symptoms of bartonella or babesia? That is what I have, but nothing else..KRCeciliaFrom: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:04 PMSubject: Re: Another

diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Sometimes antidepressants help, they helped me a little. Once I treated the Bartonella I went off all psychiatric meds. It took one year. Make sure your LLMD knows how to diagnose coinfections WITHOUT testing. You won't get better without treating fungus, parasites and coinfections- most commonly Bartonella and Babesia. That's great you're seeing an LLMD. I am being treated and getting better.AandrayaOn Nov 10, 2011, at 1:54 PM, lissarachel <elissarachel@...> wrote:

LLMD appointment is 12/1.

Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.

gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms.

Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?

Thanks

E

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>

> Sidepull,

>

>

> Sounds like you are very in touch with your inner life and know that you can

change a mood by changing your thoughts. Most of us can do this and this is

something we learn when we practice meditation. I've done quite a bit of EFT and

that helps to shift things too. Exercise helps and doing tasks as you have

described - one other thing that works for me - really helps is the use of fish

oil. I notice a big difference with depression when I forget to take fish oil

every day. I am also taking lithium orotate... very useful and helpful too. If

you can get along without an antidepressant, all the better. I decided to try

Wellbutrin to help with my energy and get me out of my funk, but I had forgotten

for a month or so about fish oil and I started it again today. It takes a few

days to really kick in.

>

>

,

Good to hear so many of you are working with your mind.

I have read about the fish oil and depression before and I just have never tried

it. EFT is wonderful. I have been using a technique that I got from Mercola's

website, http://eft.mercola.com/, doing EFT in front of a mirror using

affirmations. When I do this I do feel better. He states that doing this

technique at night before bed is best, gives the subconscious mind 8 hours to

work with the affirmation.

I have been working on creating an affirmation geared toward nurturing my

enthusiasm. One of my favorite affirmations is, " My digestive tract is as clean

as a whistle and full of friendly bacteria " .

Sidepull

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HI LInda!Thanks for your concern. My 8 year olds lesions are quite small red around and then a small, small blister with non-colored liquid in the middle. It is only around 3-4 on her body at a time.SHe does not have a rash (if I understand that word right- or could you explain the word rash to me?)Take care!CeciliaFrom: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:46 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Wow, I sure understand not having any money for certain treatment right now. I'm so sorry Cecilia. It is super expensive to get into treatment and meds are expensive. My Rifampin is costing me $80/month alone. Doxy is cheap. But none of it is covered by my insurance. When you say your 8 year old has lesions spread out on her body - what do they look like? Does she have a rash too? Can you describe what the lesion looks like?From: "Cecilia Borg" <ceciliaborg@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:20:29 AMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Hi Aandraya!Thanks for your reply. I don´t have sinus pain, only stuffed sinuses at night and no obsessive thinking anymore. Used to have it when we were fully attacked by the birdmites, but it has slowly worn off. No crawling sensations anymore either (thank god!)My 8 year old has had headaches 4 times this autumn (never had it before, but her father has occasional migrane) and she gets some few lesions spread out on her body now and then. The 2 year old has a lot of what they say is eczema. THat goes away with a mild cortison-creme though.I am really scared that the whole family has gotten lyme or somehing like it from the bird mite bites.I have been in contact with the eurolyme group, and they have given me the info to

a Swedish

borrelia-cooperation, but they don´t have any helpl. No dr:s in Sweden are Lyme-dr:s. You have to go to Germany and pay a lot of money (that we don´t have)....THanks!CeciliaFrom: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:20 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Cecilia- Nightsweats are classic babesia. If you take the herb artemisia annua(artimisinin) Biopure in Europe has it) you'll know if you have it because the symptoms will be more pronounced. The sweats will increase! Yes, sinus pain is classic for Babesia too and fatigue is a given. Artemisia also treats Lyme. The famous trifecta is Lyme(Borrelia), bartonella, and babesia. Do you have anxiety or obsessive thinking type symptoms? What about the crawling sensations? That's bartonella.Aandraya On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

Aandraya!Would you say tiredness, stuffed sinuses , nightsweats would be symptoms of bartonella or babesia? That is what I have, but nothing else..KRCeciliaFrom: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:04 PMSubject: Re: Another

diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Sometimes antidepressants help, they helped me a little. Once I treated the Bartonella I went off all psychiatric meds. It took one year. Make sure your LLMD knows how to diagnose coinfections WITHOUT testing. You won't get better without treating fungus, parasites and coinfections- most commonly Bartonella and Babesia. That's great you're seeing an LLMD. I am being treated and getting better.AandrayaOn Nov 10, 2011, at 1:54 PM, lissarachel <elissarachel@...> wrote:

LLMD appointment is 12/1.

Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.

gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms.

Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?

Thanks

E

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Aandraya,So as I treat with antibiotics biotoxins go to the brain. Do you think this could be part of the reason why I started getting very depressed too? I thought it was mostly things related to loss, but it "could" be from biotoxins too? Just wondering what you think. From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:25:38 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Aggi-These chronic infections go to the brain. The depression will get better as you progress in treatment. Now it's up and down for me. AaOn Nov 11, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...> wrote:

You are absolutely right ! This is the reason why I never took any anti-depressants. Been suicidal for about one year.

Von: <terelynjon@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 16:44 Freitag, 11.November 2011 Betreff: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Hi, I just wanted to tell you that antidepressants are addicting b/c I have been on them b4. The docs say they are not, but I had a heck of a time getting off of them. It took me 6 months to quit amitriptyline and I felt suicidal a few times.

Anyway, if you get hooked on antidepressants you have to go back to your doc for refills and he will be evaluating your mental status and thus you are giving him more control over you. Anytime you get bites, etc. he can decide you are delusional and then tell you that you need a psych eval and if you are unlucky you can wind up on antipsychotic meds and if you could be prescribed Risperdal. It is a bad drug that will make you feel like u r crazy...I have been there and done that. Thank God I had sense enough not to take it. The best antidepressants are good food, sunshine, family, friends, Jesus, the Bible, good books. I think it is learning to live even with the problems.

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I understand...and am ready to get these suckers!!!

My new supplements have made me feel better, though.

Went to my dermatologist today...he is not an LLMD but seems to understand things.  He said that it is most likely not bird mites anymore.  He wants to see my bloodwork to check for underlying infection.

Although this will probably not go too far since he doesn't truly understand the proper tests ( clinical diagnosis) at least I felt better when I left the office (it's nice that he didn't act like I was out of my mind).

I've had 2-3 swollen lymph nodes down my neck for a week.   Nobody will give me abx!!! Clearly I have an infection..?

On Nov 14, 2011 5:49 PM, <Goldstein@...> wrote:

 

Aandraya,So as I treat with antibiotics biotoxins go to the brain.  Do you think this could be part of the reason why I started getting very depressed too?  I thought it was mostly things related to loss, but it " could " be from biotoxins too?  Just wondering what you think.  

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Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:25:38 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis... " it's in your head " Aggi-These chronic infections go to the brain.  The depression will get better as you progress ...

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HI, Aandraya!The private doctors are under the state-system as well, and will not either make the tests. There are no private infectious-doctors at all.

If you get a prescription the meds are ok in price.

Take care!Cecilia

From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 8:18 AMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Cecilia- There must be at least a couple doctors who treat privately in Sweden? Are prescription meds cheap in Sweden?

Aa

On Nov 11, 2011, at 2:20 AM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

Hi Aandraya!

Thanks for your reply. I don´t have sinus pain, only stuffed sinuses at night and no obsessive thinking anymore. Used to have it when we were fully attacked by the birdmites, but it has slowly worn off. No crawling sensations anymore either (thank god!)

My 8 year old has had headaches 4 times this autumn (never had it before, but her father has occasional migrane) and she gets some few lesions spread out on her body now and then. The 2 year old has a lot of what they say is eczema. THat goes away with a mild cortison-creme though.

I am really scared that the whole family has gotten lyme or somehing like it from the bird mite bites.

I have been in contact with the eurolyme group, and they have given me the info to a Swedish borrelia-cooperation, but they don´t have any helpl. No dr:s in Sweden are Lyme-dr:s. You have to go to Germany and pay a lot of money (that we don´t have)....

THanks!

Cecilia

From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:20

PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Cecilia-

Nightsweats are classic babesia. If you take the herb artemisia annua(artimisinin) Biopure in Europe has it) you'll know if you have it because the symptoms will be more pronounced. The sweats will increase! Yes, sinus pain is classic for Babesia too and fatigue is a given. Artemisia also treats Lyme. The famous trifecta is Lyme(Borrelia), bartonella, and babesia. Do you have anxiety or obsessive thinking type symptoms? What about the crawling sensations? That's bartonella.

Aandraya

On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

Aandraya!Would you say tiredness, stuffed sinuses , nightsweats would be symptoms of bartonella or babesia? That is what I have, but nothing else..

KR

Cecilia

From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:04 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Sometimes antidepressants help, they helped me a little. Once I treated the Bartonella I went off all psychiatric meds. It took one year. Make sure your LLMD knows how to diagnose coinfections WITHOUT testing. You won't get better without treating fungus, parasites and coinfections- most commonly Bartonella and Babesia. That's great you're seeing an LLMD. I am being treated and getting better.

Aandraya

On Nov 10, 2011, at 1:54 PM, lissarachel <elissarachel@...> wrote:

LLMD appointment is 12/1.Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms. Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?ThanksE

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Hi Aandrya,

Thanks for your concern, but my depression is also done and dusted. I was only depressed in the very first year in 2009.

Actually, I have started enjoying life again for about 5 months now, which I never expected to happen ever again. Still seems

like a little miracle :-)

Von: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 23:49 Montag, 14.November 2011 Betreff: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Aandraya,

So as I treat with antibiotics biotoxins go to the brain. Do you think this could be part of the reason why I started getting very depressed too? I thought it was mostly things related to loss, but it "could" be from biotoxins too? Just wondering what you think.

From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:25:38 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Aggi-

These chronic infections go to the brain. The depression will get better as you progress in treatment. Now it's up and down for me.

Aa

On Nov 11, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...> wrote:

You are absolutely right ! This is the reason why I never took any anti-depressants. Been suicidal for about one year.

Von: <terelynjon@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 16:44 Freitag, 11.November 2011 Betreff: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Hi, I just wanted to tell you that antidepressants are addicting b/c I have been on them b4. The docs say they are not, but I had a heck of a time getting off of them. It took me 6 months to quit amitriptyline and I felt suicidal a few times.

Anyway, if you get hooked on antidepressants you have to go back to your doc for refills and he will be evaluating your mental status and thus you are giving him more control over you. Anytime you get bites, etc. he can decide you are delusional and then tell you that you need a psych eval and if you are unlucky you can wind up on antipsychotic meds and if you could be prescribed Risperdal. It is a bad drug that will make you feel like u r crazy...I have been there and done that. Thank God I had sense enough not to take it. The best antidepressants are good food, sunshine, family, friends, Jesus, the Bible, good books. I think it is learning to live even with the problems.

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So glad you are feeling better Aggi. These strange awful life circumstances can turn everything upside down. Having a nice vacation to look forward to really helps a lot too. Just getting away, even on a short one day trip somewhere really helps too.From: "Aggi Assmann" <aggi_assmann@...>bird mites Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 1:57:03 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Hi Aandrya,

Thanks for your concern, but my depression is also done and dusted. I was only depressed in the very first year in 2009.

Actually, I have started enjoying life again for about 5 months now, which I never expected to happen ever again. Still seems

like a little miracle :-)

Von: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 23:49 Montag, 14.November 2011 Betreff: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Aandraya,

So as I treat with antibiotics biotoxins go to the brain. Do you think this could be part of the reason why I started getting very depressed too? I thought it was mostly things related to loss, but it "could" be from biotoxins too? Just wondering what you think.

From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:25:38 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Aggi-

These chronic infections go to the brain. The depression will get better as you progress in treatment. Now it's up and down for me.

Aa

On Nov 11, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...> wrote:

You are absolutely right ! This is the reason why I never took any anti-depressants. Been suicidal for about one year.

Von: <terelynjon@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 16:44 Freitag, 11.November 2011 Betreff: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Hi, I just wanted to tell you that antidepressants are addicting b/c I have been on them b4. The docs say they are not, but I had a heck of a time getting off of them. It took me 6 months to quit amitriptyline and I felt suicidal a few times.

Anyway, if you get hooked on antidepressants you have to go back to your doc for refills and he will be evaluating your mental status and thus you are giving him more control over you. Anytime you get bites, etc. he can decide you are delusional and then tell you that you need a psych eval and if you are unlucky you can wind up on antipsychotic meds and if you could be prescribed Risperdal. It is a bad drug that will make you feel like u r crazy...I have been there and done that. Thank God I had sense enough not to take it. The best antidepressants are good food, sunshine, family, friends, Jesus, the Bible, good books. I think it is learning to live even with the problems.

[Guest guest]

Cecilia, you can order any meds prescription-free on DocterOnline.com. This is where I got my anti-fungal and abx.

Von: Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...>An: "bird mites " <bird mites >Gesendet: 11:27 Dienstag, 15.November 2011 Betreff: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

HI, Aandraya!The private doctors are under the state-system as well, and will not either make the tests. There are no private infectious-doctors at all.

If you get a prescription the meds are ok in price.

Take care!Cecilia

From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 8:18 AMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Cecilia- There must be at least a couple doctors who treat privately in Sweden? Are prescription meds cheap in Sweden?

Aa

On Nov 11, 2011, at 2:20 AM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

Hi Aandraya!

Thanks for your reply. I don´t have sinus pain, only stuffed sinuses at night and no obsessive thinking anymore. Used to have it when we were fully attacked by the birdmites, but it has slowly worn off. No crawling sensations anymore either (thank god!)

My 8 year old has had headaches 4 times this autumn (never had it before, but her father has occasional migrane) and she gets some few lesions spread out on her body now and then. The 2 year old has a lot of what they say is eczema. THat goes away with a mild cortison-creme though.

I am really scared that the whole family has gotten lyme or somehing like it from the bird mite bites.

I have been in contact with the eurolyme group, and they have given me the info to a Swedish borrelia-cooperation, but they don´t have any helpl. No dr:s in Sweden are Lyme-dr:s. You have to go to Germany and pay a lot of money (that we don´t have)....

THanks!

Cecilia

From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:20 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Cecilia-

Nightsweats are classic babesia. If you take the herb artemisia annua(artimisinin) Biopure in Europe has it) you'll know if you have it because the symptoms will be more pronounced. The sweats will increase! Yes, sinus pain is classic for Babesia too and fatigue is a given. Artemisia also treats Lyme. The famous trifecta is Lyme(Borrelia), bartonella, and babesia. Do you have anxiety or obsessive thinking type symptoms? What about the crawling sensations? That's bartonella.

Aandraya

On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

Aandraya!Would you say tiredness, stuffed sinuses , nightsweats would be symptoms of bartonella or babesia? That is what I have, but nothing else..

KR

Cecilia

From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:04 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Sometimes antidepressants help, they helped me a little. Once I treated the Bartonella I went off all psychiatric meds. It took one year. Make sure your LLMD knows how to diagnose coinfections WITHOUT testing. You won't get better without treating fungus, parasites and coinfections- most commonly Bartonella and Babesia. That's great you're seeing an LLMD. I am being treated and getting better.

Aandraya

On Nov 10, 2011, at 1:54 PM, lissarachel <elissarachel@...> wrote:

LLMD appointment is 12/1.Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms. Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?ThanksE

[Guest guest]

So true , I love these little 'cop-out's,'getting out of the house whenever I can.

On the other hand I have also started enjoying being at home again as our place is actually very nice and cosy again.

Things that used to be for granted prior to BM and do feel like sheer luxury now ;-)

Von: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 23:01 Dienstag, 15.November 2011 Betreff: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

So glad you are feeling better Aggi. These strange awful life circumstances can turn everything upside down. Having a nice vacation to look forward to really helps a lot too. Just getting away, even on a short one day trip somewhere really helps too.

From: "Aggi Assmann" <aggi_assmann@...>bird mites Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 1:57:03 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Hi Aandrya,

Thanks for your concern, but my depression is also done and dusted. I was only depressed in the very first year in 2009.

Actually, I have started enjoying life again for about 5 months now, which I never expected to happen ever again. Still seems

like a little miracle :-)

Von: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 23:49 Montag, 14.November 2011 Betreff: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Aandraya,

So as I treat with antibiotics biotoxins go to the brain. Do you think this could be part of the reason why I started getting very depressed too? I thought it was mostly things related to loss, but it "could" be from biotoxins too? Just wondering what you think.

From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:25:38 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Aggi-

These chronic infections go to the brain. The depression will get better as you progress in treatment. Now it's up and down for me.

Aa

On Nov 11, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...> wrote:

You are absolutely right ! This is the reason why I never took any anti-depressants. Been suicidal for about one year.

Von: <terelynjon@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 16:44 Freitag, 11.November 2011 Betreff: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Hi, I just wanted to tell you that antidepressants are addicting b/c I have been on them b4. The docs say they are not, but I had a heck of a time getting off of them. It took me 6 months to quit amitriptyline and I felt suicidal a few times.

Anyway, if you get hooked on antidepressants you have to go back to your doc for refills and he will be evaluating your mental status and thus you are giving him more control over you. Anytime you get bites, etc. he can decide you are delusional and then tell you that you need a psych eval and if you are unlucky you can wind up on antipsychotic meds and if you could be prescribed Risperdal. It is a bad drug that will make you feel like u r crazy...I have been there and done that. Thank God I had sense enough not to take it. The best antidepressants are good food, sunshine, family, friends, Jesus, the Bible, good books. I think it is learning to live even with the problems.

[Guest guest]

Aggi-Great! Even though I am physically not feeling great, my depression is so much better as well! I am no longer on antidepressants and my anxiety has gone away with bartonella treatment.AandrayaOn Nov 15, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...> wrote:

Hi Aandrya,

Thanks for your concern, but my depression is also done and dusted. I was only depressed in the very first year in 2009.

Actually, I have started enjoying life again for about 5 months now, which I never expected to happen ever again. Still seems

like a little miracle :-)

Von: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 23:49 Montag, 14.November 2011 Betreff: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Aandraya,

So as I treat with antibiotics biotoxins go to the brain. Do you think this could be part of the reason why I started getting very depressed too? I thought it was mostly things related to loss, but it "could" be from biotoxins too? Just wondering what you think.

From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:25:38 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Aggi-

These chronic infections go to the brain. The depression will get better as you progress in treatment. Now it's up and down for me.

Aa

On Nov 11, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...> wrote:

You are absolutely right ! This is the reason why I never took any anti-depressants. Been suicidal for about one year.

Von: <terelynjon@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 16:44 Freitag, 11.November 2011 Betreff: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Hi, I just wanted to tell you that antidepressants are addicting b/c I have been on them b4. The docs say they are not, but I had a heck of a time getting off of them. It took me 6 months to quit amitriptyline and I felt suicidal a few times.

Anyway, if you get hooked on antidepressants you have to go back to your doc for refills and he will be evaluating your mental status and thus you are giving him more control over you. Anytime you get bites, etc. he can decide you are delusional and then tell you that you need a psych eval and if you are unlucky you can wind up on antipsychotic meds and if you could be prescribed Risperdal. It is a bad drug that will make you feel like u r crazy...I have been there and done that. Thank God I had sense enough not to take it. The best antidepressants are good food, sunshine, family, friends, Jesus, the Bible, good books. I think it is learning to live even with the problems.

[Guest guest]

Unacceptable. Lyme is not that uncommon in Sweden, and probably becoming more prevalent just like everywhere else.Aandraya On Nov 15, 2011, at 4:27 AM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

HI, Aandraya!The private doctors are under the state-system as well, and will not either make the tests. There are no private infectious-doctors at all.

If you get a prescription the meds are ok in price.

Take care!Cecilia

From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 8:18 AMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Cecilia- There must be at least a couple doctors who treat privately in Sweden? Are prescription meds cheap in Sweden?

Aa

On Nov 11, 2011, at 2:20 AM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

Hi Aandraya!

Thanks for your reply. I don´t have sinus pain, only stuffed sinuses at night and no obsessive thinking anymore. Used to have it when we were fully attacked by the birdmites, but it has slowly worn off. No crawling sensations anymore either (thank god!)

My 8 year old has had headaches 4 times this autumn (never had it before, but her father has occasional migrane) and she gets some few lesions spread out on her body now and then. The 2 year old has a lot of what they say is eczema. THat goes away with a mild cortison-creme though.

I am really scared that the whole family has gotten lyme or somehing like it from the bird mite bites.

I have been in contact with the eurolyme group, and they have given me the info to a Swedish borrelia-cooperation, but they don´t have any helpl. No dr:s in Sweden are Lyme-dr:s. You have to go to Germany and pay a lot of money (that we don´t have)....

THanks!

Cecilia

From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:20

PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Cecilia-

Nightsweats are classic babesia. If you take the herb artemisia annua(artimisinin) Biopure in Europe has it) you'll know if you have it because the symptoms will be more pronounced. The sweats will increase! Yes, sinus pain is classic for Babesia too and fatigue is a given. Artemisia also treats Lyme. The famous trifecta is Lyme(Borrelia), bartonella, and babesia. Do you have anxiety or obsessive thinking type symptoms? What about the crawling sensations? That's bartonella.

Aandraya

On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

Aandraya!Would you say tiredness, stuffed sinuses , nightsweats would be symptoms of bartonella or babesia? That is what I have, but nothing else..

KR

Cecilia

From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:04 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Sometimes antidepressants help, they helped me a little. Once I treated the Bartonella I went off all psychiatric meds. It took one year. Make sure your LLMD knows how to diagnose coinfections WITHOUT testing. You won't get better without treating fungus, parasites and coinfections- most commonly Bartonella and Babesia. That's great you're seeing an LLMD. I am being treated and getting better.

Aandraya

On Nov 10, 2011, at 1:54 PM, lissarachel <elissarachel@...> wrote:

LLMD appointment is 12/1.Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms. Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?ThanksE

[Guest guest]

Thanks!Cecilia

From: Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:35 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Cecilia, you can order any meds prescription-free on DocterOnline.com. This is where I got my anti-fungal and abx.

Von: Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...>An: "bird mites " <bird mites >Gesendet: 11:27 Dienstag, 15.November 2011 Betreff: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

HI, Aandraya!The private doctors are under the state-system as well, and will not either make the tests. There are no private infectious-doctors at all.

If you get a prescription the meds are ok in price.

Take care!Cecilia

From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 8:18 AMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Cecilia- There must be at least a couple doctors who treat privately in Sweden? Are prescription meds cheap in Sweden?

Aa

On Nov 11, 2011, at 2:20 AM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

Hi Aandraya!

Thanks for your reply. I don´t have sinus pain, only stuffed sinuses at night and no obsessive thinking anymore. Used to have it when we were fully attacked by the birdmites, but it has slowly worn off. No crawling sensations anymore either (thank god!)

My 8 year old has had headaches 4 times this autumn (never had it before, but her father has occasional migrane) and she gets some few lesions spread out on her body now and then. The 2 year old has a lot of what they say is eczema. THat goes away with a mild cortison-creme though.

I am really scared that the whole family has gotten lyme or somehing like it from the bird mite bites.

I have been in contact with the eurolyme group, and they have given me the info to a Swedish borrelia-cooperation, but they don´t have any helpl. No dr:s in Sweden are Lyme-dr:s. You have to go to Germany and pay a lot of money (that we don´t have)....

THanks!

Cecilia

From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:20 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Cecilia-

Nightsweats are classic babesia. If you take the herb artemisia annua(artimisinin) Biopure in Europe has it) you'll know if you have it because the symptoms will be more pronounced. The sweats will increase! Yes, sinus pain is classic for Babesia too and fatigue is a given. Artemisia also treats Lyme. The famous trifecta is Lyme(Borrelia), bartonella, and babesia. Do you have anxiety or obsessive thinking type symptoms? What about the crawling sensations? That's bartonella.

Aandraya

On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

Aandraya!Would you say tiredness, stuffed sinuses , nightsweats would be symptoms of bartonella or babesia? That is what I have, but nothing else..

KR

Cecilia

From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:04 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Sometimes antidepressants help, they helped me a little. Once I treated the Bartonella I went off all psychiatric meds. It took one year. Make sure your LLMD knows how to diagnose coinfections WITHOUT testing. You won't get better without treating fungus, parasites and coinfections- most commonly Bartonella and Babesia. That's great you're seeing an LLMD. I am being treated and getting better.

Aandraya

On Nov 10, 2011, at 1:54 PM, lissarachel <elissarachel@...> wrote:

LLMD appointment is 12/1.Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms. Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?ThanksE

[Guest guest]

Elissa-I had the swollen lymph nodes, it's bartonella. Write all that down for Dr. Cameron, ALL the weird random symptoms, write them down. From years past to today.AandrayaOn Nov 14, 2011, at 7:50 PM, Elissa <elissarachel@...> wrote:

I understand...and am ready to get these suckers!!!

My new supplements have made me feel better, though.

Went to my dermatologist today...he is not an LLMD but seems to understand things. He said that it is most likely not bird mites anymore. He wants to see my bloodwork to check for underlying infection.

Although this will probably not go too far since he doesn't truly understand the proper tests ( clinical diagnosis) at least I felt better when I left the office (it's nice that he didn't act like I was out of my mind).

I've had 2-3 swollen lymph nodes down my neck for a week. Nobody will give me abx!!! Clearly I have an infection..?

On Nov 14, 2011 5:49 PM, <Goldstein@...> wrote:

Aandraya,So as I treat with antibiotics biotoxins go to the brain. Do you think this could be part of the reason why I started getting very depressed too? I thought it was mostly things related to loss, but it "could" be from biotoxins too? Just wondering what you think.

________________________________From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mitesgroups (DOT) ...

Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:25:38 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"Aggi-These chronic infections go to the brain. The depression will get better as you progress ...

[Guest guest]

Aandraya,

Already started my list!  I even requested my childhood medical records from my pediatrician since I think that's when it all started.

Seeing as though my memory is not very good...i would not remember half the day of my appointment!

Eliss a

On Nov 16, 2011 6:24 AM, " Aandraya " <aandraya@...> wrote:

 

Elissa-I had the swollen lymph nodes, it's bartonella.  Write all that down for Dr. Cameron,  ALL the weird random symptoms, write them down. From years past to today.Aandraya

On Nov 14, 2011, at 7:50 PM, Elissa <elissarachel@...> wrote:>  >> I understand......

[Guest guest]

- Absolutely these infections have a huge impact on brain chemistry. It's been slow, but my brain symptoms have all improved. Babs treatment really causes setbacks though, but when the herxes go down I feel so much better.Aandraya On Nov 14, 2011, at 4:49 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

Aandraya,So as I treat with antibiotics biotoxins go to the brain. Do you think this could be part of the reason why I started getting very depressed too? I thought it was mostly things related to loss, but it "could" be from biotoxins too? Just wondering what you think. From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:25:38 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Aggi-These chronic infections go to the brain. The depression will get better as you progress in treatment. Now it's up and down for me. AaOn Nov 11, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...> wrote:

You are absolutely right ! This is the reason why I never took any anti-depressants. Been suicidal for about one year.

Von: <terelynjon@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 16:44 Freitag, 11.November 2011 Betreff: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Hi, I just wanted to tell you that antidepressants are addicting b/c I have been on them b4. The docs say they are not, but I had a heck of a time getting off of them. It took me 6 months to quit amitriptyline and I felt suicidal a few times.

Anyway, if you get hooked on antidepressants you have to go back to your doc for refills and he will be evaluating your mental status and thus you are giving him more control over you. Anytime you get bites, etc. he can decide you are delusional and then tell you that you need a psych eval and if you are unlucky you can wind up on antipsychotic meds and if you could be prescribed Risperdal. It is a bad drug that will make you feel like u r crazy...I have been there and done that. Thank God I had sense enough not to take it. The best antidepressants are good food, sunshine, family, friends, Jesus, the Bible, good books. I think it is learning to live even with the problems.