Re: Another diagnosis...it's in your head

November 10, 2011

Sometimes antidepressants help, they helped me a little. Once I treated the Bartonella I went off all psychiatric meds. It took one year. Make sure your LLMD knows how to diagnose coinfections WITHOUT testing. You won't get better without treating fungus, parasites and coinfections- most commonly Bartonella and Babesia. That's great you're seeing an LLMD. I am being treated and getting better.AandrayaOn Nov 10, 2011, at 1:54 PM, lissarachel <elissarachel@...> wrote:

LLMD appointment is 12/1.

Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.

gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms.

Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?

Thanks

E

November 10, 2011

Yeah, right, and tell your GP about chronic vector borne infections. They must be diagnosed clinically by someone who is familiar with them. Don't let ANY doctor tell you you've got no infections. How do they know!? AandrayaOn Nov 10, 2011, at 1:54 PM, lissarachel <elissarachel@...> wrote:

LLMD appointment is 12/1.

Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.

gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms.

Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?

Thanks

E

November 10, 2011

Aandraya!Would you say tiredness, stuffed sinuses , nightsweats would be symptoms of bartonella or babesia? That is what I have, but nothing else..KRCeciliaFrom: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:04 PMSubject: Re: Another

diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Sometimes antidepressants help, they helped me a little. Once I treated the Bartonella I went off all psychiatric meds. It took one year. Make sure your LLMD knows how to diagnose coinfections WITHOUT testing. You won't get better without treating fungus, parasites and coinfections- most commonly Bartonella and Babesia. That's great you're seeing an LLMD. I am being treated and getting better.AandrayaOn Nov 10, 2011, at 1:54 PM, lissarachel <elissarachel@...> wrote:

LLMD appointment is 12/1.

Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.

gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms.

Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?

Thanks

E

November 10, 2011

I guess if it were me I'd wait to see your LLMD first... but have to admit I finally caved and am on low dose anti-depressant now too. I've also been on St. 's Wort for years... the psychiatrist I see once every 2 years said actually St. 's Wort is a SSRI - it is PROZAC. I don't know if he is correct. Interesting anyway.From: "lissarachel" <elissarachel@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:54:48 AMSubject: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"LLMD appointment is 12/1.Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms. Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?ThanksE------------------------------------

November 10, 2011

Cecilia- Nightsweats are classic babesia. If you take the herb artemisia annua(artimisinin) Biopure in Europe has it) you'll know if you have it because the symptoms will be more pronounced. The sweats will increase! Yes, sinus pain is classic for Babesia too and fatigue is a given. Artemisia also treats Lyme. The famous trifecta is Lyme(Borrelia), bartonella, and babesia. Do you have anxiety or obsessive thinking type symptoms? What about the crawling sensations? That's bartonella.Aandraya On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

Aandraya!Would you say tiredness, stuffed sinuses , nightsweats would be symptoms of bartonella or babesia? That is what I have, but nothing else..KRCeciliaFrom: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:04 PMSubject: Re: Another

diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Sometimes antidepressants help, they helped me a little. Once I treated the Bartonella I went off all psychiatric meds. It took one year. Make sure your LLMD knows how to diagnose coinfections WITHOUT testing. You won't get better without treating fungus, parasites and coinfections- most commonly Bartonella and Babesia. That's great you're seeing an LLMD. I am being treated and getting better.AandrayaOn Nov 10, 2011, at 1:54 PM, lissarachel <elissarachel@...> wrote:

LLMD appointment is 12/1.

Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.

gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms.

Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?

Thanks

E

November 10, 2011

OHHH - Yes - we all have DP (delusional) and have all been perscribed those pills. They might help you, but not touch the real problem - you wouldn't be depressed if not for the main problem.

From: lissarachel <elissarachel@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:54 PMSubject: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

LLMD appointment is 12/1.Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms. Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?ThanksE

November 10, 2011

Hi,

When I went to my PCP in Sept. asking for a refill on Valium he and another physician told me to go to the ER for a psych consult and I spent 5 nights on the psych floor. They told me I was " delusional " and tried to make me take Risperdal. I had to pretend to swallow the pill under my tongue and then spit it out.

Personally, I would not take anything unless absolutely necessary. Yes, we are all depressed to some degree, but I'm still able to function.

God bless,

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:54 PM, lissarachel <elissarachel@...> wrote:

LLMD appointment is 12/1.Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms.

Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?ThanksE

November 10, 2011

I brought this up to my kids pediatrician today. She said I need to get passed the feeling of something crawling on me. She said once you get bites or have excema you can have that sensation. When I mentioned Lyme Disease she said I know for a fact you don't have to worry about that since it wasn't a tick. So frustrating. I would think I would take the antidepressant if it can help you deal with this maybe easier. I wouldn't think it could hurt.

From: lissarachel <elissarachel@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:54 PMSubject: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

LLMD appointment is 12/1.Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms. Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?ThanksE

November 10, 2011

Hi

Anti deprssants won't make you deel as food as a 1 cup per tub borax abth with

1/4 dawn regular dish soap & a tri-jet fogger running on high in the back

bedroom with1 cup borax & 1 cup epsom & 1 cup windex in 1.5 gal of water ... See

ya bug ... ! .

I cork the bottom of the dooe with a towell & have the cord running under the

door to an outlet outside the room so I canshut it off in 15 mins , it makes a

fog so thick I couldn't see into it 3 feet .. Dead bugs.... I repeated it every

3 days for 1 month rotating rooms . , then washed & painted the walls .. It

stopped them down to almost nothing , now I powder with baking soda from the

cieling down with a Chapin duster from Ace harware , bugs don't do well in dry

baking soda . Aggi said she used dry Arm & Hammer Powdered Laundry Detergent

rubbed into evreything & the stopped . I use it in my shoes & it kills all of

them , I put in 1/2 cup per shoe hold my breath & shake the boots & leave

dovernite , the shale out & there is never 1 bug left to bite me . It is amazing

..

God has all the joy you need , just look to Him & pray , sing Him a song &

repeat it over & over see what happens , Worship Him . He is good He loves

us & will never leave us .

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Psalm of .) The LORD said unto my Lord,

Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst

of thine enemies. 3 Thy people [shall be] willing in the day of thy power, in

the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy

youth

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50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51

And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the

bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the graves were

opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the

graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto

many. 54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus,

saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly,

saying, Truly this was the Son of God. 55 And many women were there beholding

afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee,

Psalm 68:18

18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast

received gifts for men; yea, [for] the rebellious also, that the LORD God might

dwell [among them]. 19 Blessed [be] the Lord, [who] daily loadeth us [with

benefits, even] the God of our salvation. Selah.

God bless you ,

Bill .

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 10:33 PM EST Linds J wrote:>I brought this up to my kids

pediatrician today. She said I need to get passed the feeling of something

crawling on me. She said once you get bites or have excema you can have that

sensation. When I mentioned Lyme Disease she said I know for a fact you don't

have to worry about that since it wasn't a tick. So frustrating. I would think I

would take the antidepressant if it can help you deal with this maybe easier. I

wouldn't think it could hurt.>>>________________________________>From:

lissarachel <elissarachel@...>>bird mites >Sent:

Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:54 PM>Subject: Another

diagnosis... " it's in your head " >>> >LLMD appointment is 12/1.>>Went to an

annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely

depressed.>>gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the

cause of my symptoms. >>Should I take it? Has one

helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the

situation?>>Thanks>>E>>

November 10, 2011

Haha! Get past the feeling of crawling on you! Yeah, just get past it already! Unbelievable! And how does your doctor know you never had a tick on you! Most with Lyme don't know when they got bitten including myself! Plus, there are many insects that carry Lyme! Aandraya On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:33 PM, Linds J <lj_mom11@...> wrote:

I brought this up to my kids pediatrician today. She said I need to get passed the feeling of something crawling on me. She said once you get bites or have excema you can have that sensation. When I mentioned Lyme Disease she said I know for a fact you don't have to worry about that since it wasn't a tick. So frustrating. I would think I would take the antidepressant if it can help you deal with this maybe easier. I wouldn't think it could hurt.

From: lissarachel <elissarachel@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:54 PMSubject: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

LLMD appointment is 12/1.Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms. Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?ThanksE

November 11, 2011

I agree with others here that antidepressants can help you easier cope with things, but they wonÂ´t solve your problem...Allmost all doctors treat us like crap and blame mental problems, it is the opposite, we get mental problems from having the birdmites and it gets worse from seeing doctors not caring and with no knowledge...Take care!CeciliaFrom: Linds J <lj_mom11@...>"bird mites "

<bird mites >Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:33 AMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

I brought this up to my kids pediatrician today. She said I need to get passed the feeling of something crawling on me. She said once you get bites or have excema you can have that sensation. When I mentioned Lyme Disease she said I know for a fact you don't have to worry about that since it wasn't a tick. So frustrating. I would think I would take the antidepressant if it can help you deal with this maybe easier. I wouldn't think it could hurt.

From: lissarachel <elissarachel@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:54 PMSubject: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

LLMD appointment is 12/1.Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms. Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?ThanksE

November 11, 2011

Hi Aandraya!Thanks for your reply. I donÂ´t have sinus pain, only stuffed sinuses at night and no obsessive thinking anymore. Used to have it when we were fully attacked by the birdmites, but it has slowly worn off. No crawling sensations anymore either (thank god!)My 8 year old has had headaches 4 times this autumn (never had it before, but her father has occasional migrane) and she gets some few lesions spread out on her body now and then. The 2 year old has a lot of what they say is eczema. THat goes away with a mild cortison-creme though.I am really scared that the whole family has gotten lyme or somehing like it from the bird mite bites.I have been in contact with the eurolyme group, and they have given me the info to a Swedish

borrelia-cooperation, but they donÂ´t have any helpl. No dr:s in Sweden are Lyme-dr:s. You have to go to Germany and pay a lot of money (that we donÂ´t have)....THanks!CeciliaFrom: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:20 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Cecilia- Nightsweats are classic babesia. If you take the herb artemisia annua(artimisinin) Biopure in Europe has it) you'll know if you have it because the symptoms will be more pronounced. The sweats will increase! Yes, sinus pain is classic for Babesia too and fatigue is a given. Artemisia also treats Lyme. The famous trifecta is Lyme(Borrelia), bartonella, and babesia. Do you have anxiety or obsessive thinking type symptoms? What about the crawling sensations? That's bartonella.Aandraya On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

Aandraya!Would you say tiredness, stuffed sinuses , nightsweats would be symptoms of bartonella or babesia? That is what I have, but nothing else..KRCeciliaFrom: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:04 PMSubject: Re: Another

diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Sometimes antidepressants help, they helped me a little. Once I treated the Bartonella I went off all psychiatric meds. It took one year. Make sure your LLMD knows how to diagnose coinfections WITHOUT testing. You won't get better without treating fungus, parasites and coinfections- most commonly Bartonella and Babesia. That's great you're seeing an LLMD. I am being treated and getting better.AandrayaOn Nov 10, 2011, at 1:54 PM, lissarachel <elissarachel@...> wrote:

LLMD appointment is 12/1.

Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.

gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms.

Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?

Thanks

E

November 11, 2011

Amen to that. L.From: "Cecilia Borg" <ceciliaborg@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:01:17 AMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

I agree with others here that antidepressants can help you easier cope with things, but they wonÂ´t solve your problem...Allmost all doctors treat us like crap and blame mental problems, it is the opposite, we get mental problems from having the birdmites and it gets worse from seeing doctors not caring and with no knowledge...Take care!CeciliaFrom: Linds J <lj_mom11@...>"bird mites "

<bird mites >Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:33 AMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

I brought this up to my kids pediatrician today. She said I need to get passed the feeling of something crawling on me. She said once you get bites or have excema you can have that sensation. When I mentioned Lyme Disease she said I know for a fact you don't have to worry about that since it wasn't a tick. So frustrating. I would think I would take the antidepressant if it can help you deal with this maybe easier. I wouldn't think it could hurt.

From: lissarachel <elissarachel@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:54 PMSubject: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

LLMD appointment is 12/1.Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms. Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?ThanksE

November 11, 2011

Wow, I sure understand not having any money for certain treatment right now. I'm so sorry Cecilia. It is super expensive to get into treatment and meds are expensive. My Rifampin is costing me $80/month alone. Doxy is cheap. But none of it is covered by my insurance. When you say your 8 year old has lesions spread out on her body - what do they look like? Does she have a rash too? Can you describe what the lesion looks like?From: "Cecilia Borg" <ceciliaborg@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:20:29 AMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Hi Aandraya!Thanks for your reply. I donÂ´t have sinus pain, only stuffed sinuses at night and no obsessive thinking anymore. Used to have it when we were fully attacked by the birdmites, but it has slowly worn off. No crawling sensations anymore either (thank god!)My 8 year old has had headaches 4 times this autumn (never had it before, but her father has occasional migrane) and she gets some few lesions spread out on her body now and then. The 2 year old has a lot of what they say is eczema. THat goes away with a mild cortison-creme though.I am really scared that the whole family has gotten lyme or somehing like it from the bird mite bites.I have been in contact with the eurolyme group, and they have given me the info to a Swedish

borrelia-cooperation, but they donÂ´t have any helpl. No dr:s in Sweden are Lyme-dr:s. You have to go to Germany and pay a lot of money (that we donÂ´t have)....THanks!CeciliaFrom: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:20 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Cecilia- Nightsweats are classic babesia. If you take the herb artemisia annua(artimisinin) Biopure in Europe has it) you'll know if you have it because the symptoms will be more pronounced. The sweats will increase! Yes, sinus pain is classic for Babesia too and fatigue is a given. Artemisia also treats Lyme. The famous trifecta is Lyme(Borrelia), bartonella, and babesia. Do you have anxiety or obsessive thinking type symptoms? What about the crawling sensations? That's bartonella.Aandraya On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

Aandraya!Would you say tiredness, stuffed sinuses , nightsweats would be symptoms of bartonella or babesia? That is what I have, but nothing else..KRCeciliaFrom: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:04 PMSubject: Re: Another

diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Sometimes antidepressants help, they helped me a little. Once I treated the Bartonella I went off all psychiatric meds. It took one year. Make sure your LLMD knows how to diagnose coinfections WITHOUT testing. You won't get better without treating fungus, parasites and coinfections- most commonly Bartonella and Babesia. That's great you're seeing an LLMD. I am being treated and getting better.AandrayaOn Nov 10, 2011, at 1:54 PM, lissarachel <elissarachel@...> wrote:

LLMD appointment is 12/1.

Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.

gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms.

Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?

Thanks

E

November 11, 2011

Ditto !!!

Von: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 12:43 Freitag, 11.November 2011 Betreff: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Amen to that. L.

From: "Cecilia Borg" <ceciliaborg@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:01:17 AMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

I agree with others here that antidepressants can help you easier cope with things, but they wonÂ´t solve your problem...

Allmost all doctors treat us like crap and blame mental problems, it is the opposite, we get mental problems from having the birdmites and it gets worse from seeing doctors not caring and with no knowledge...

Take care!Cecilia

From: Linds J <lj_mom11@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:33 AMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

I brought this up to my kids pediatrician today. She said I need to get passed the feeling of something crawling on me. She said once you get bites or have excema you can have that sensation. When I mentioned Lyme Disease she said I know for a fact you don't have to worry about that since it wasn't a tick. So frustrating. I would think I would take the antidepressant if it can help you deal with this maybe easier. I wouldn't think it could hurt.

From: lissarachel <elissarachel@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:54 PMSubject: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

LLMD appointment is 12/1.Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms. Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?ThanksE

November 11, 2011

Hi, I just wanted to tell you that antidepressants are addicting b/c I have been on them b4. The docs say they are not, but I had a heck of a time getting off of them. It took me 6 months to quit amitriptyline and I felt suicidal a few times.

Anyway, if you get hooked on antidepressants you have to go back to your doc for refills and he will be evaluating your mental status and thus you are giving him more control over you. Anytime you get bites, etc. he can decide you are delusional and then tell you that you need a psych eval and if you are unlucky you can wind up on antipsychotic meds and if you could be prescribed Risperdal. It is a bad drug that will make you feel like u r crazy...I have been there and done that. Thank God I had sense enough not to take it. The best antidepressants are good food, sunshine, family, friends, Jesus, the Bible, good books. I think it is learning to live even with the problems.

November 11, 2011

Sometimes antidepressants are helpful and there is nothing wrong with taking them. I do think it's key to have a doctor you trust. They helped me to function until I started treatment and my symptoms started to subside.AandrayaOn Nov 11, 2011, at 7:22 AM, Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...> wrote:

Ditto !!!

Von: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 12:43 Freitag, 11.November 2011 Betreff: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Amen to that. L.

From: "Cecilia Borg" <ceciliaborg@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:01:17 AMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

I agree with others here that antidepressants can help you easier cope with things, but they wonÂ´t solve your problem...

Allmost all doctors treat us like crap and blame mental problems, it is the opposite, we get mental problems from having the birdmites and it gets worse from seeing doctors not caring and with no knowledge...

Take care!Cecilia

From: Linds J <lj_mom11@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:33 AMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

I brought this up to my kids pediatrician today. She said I need to get passed the feeling of something crawling on me. She said once you get bites or have excema you can have that sensation. When I mentioned Lyme Disease she said I know for a fact you don't have to worry about that since it wasn't a tick. So frustrating. I would think I would take the antidepressant if it can help you deal with this maybe easier. I wouldn't think it could hurt.

From: lissarachel <elissarachel@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:54 PMSubject: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

LLMD appointment is 12/1.Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms. Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?ThanksE

November 11, 2011

-Why won't insurance cover your meds?? My insurance has covered everything so far, even the full price of Mepron. Maybe it's a state by state thing? I've been told MN is good for insurance companies covering meds. But if your doctor prescribes it???AandrayaOn Nov 11, 2011, at 5:46 AM, Goldstein@... wrote:

Wow, I sure understand not having any money for certain treatment right now. I'm so sorry Cecilia. It is super expensive to get into treatment and meds are expensive. My Rifampin is costing me $80/month alone. Doxy is cheap. But none of it is covered by my insurance. When you say your 8 year old has lesions spread out on her body - what do they look like? Does she have a rash too? Can you describe what the lesion looks like?From: "Cecilia Borg" <ceciliaborg@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:20:29 AMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Hi Aandraya!Thanks for your reply. I donÂ´t have sinus pain, only stuffed sinuses at night and no obsessive thinking anymore. Used to have it when we were fully attacked by the birdmites, but it has slowly worn off. No crawling sensations anymore either (thank god!)My 8 year old has had headaches 4 times this autumn (never had it before, but her father has occasional migrane) and she gets some few lesions spread out on her body now and then. The 2 year old has a lot of what they say is eczema. THat goes away with a mild cortison-creme though.I am really scared that the whole family has gotten lyme or somehing like it from the bird mite bites.I have been in contact with the eurolyme group, and they have given me the info to a Swedish

borrelia-cooperation, but they donÂ´t have any helpl. No dr:s in Sweden are Lyme-dr:s. You have to go to Germany and pay a lot of money (that we donÂ´t have)....THanks!CeciliaFrom: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:20 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Cecilia- Nightsweats are classic babesia. If you take the herb artemisia annua(artimisinin) Biopure in Europe has it) you'll know if you have it because the symptoms will be more pronounced. The sweats will increase! Yes, sinus pain is classic for Babesia too and fatigue is a given. Artemisia also treats Lyme. The famous trifecta is Lyme(Borrelia), bartonella, and babesia. Do you have anxiety or obsessive thinking type symptoms? What about the crawling sensations? That's bartonella.Aandraya On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

Aandraya!Would you say tiredness, stuffed sinuses , nightsweats would be symptoms of bartonella or babesia? That is what I have, but nothing else..KRCeciliaFrom: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:04 PMSubject: Re: Another

diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Sometimes antidepressants help, they helped me a little. Once I treated the Bartonella I went off all psychiatric meds. It took one year. Make sure your LLMD knows how to diagnose coinfections WITHOUT testing. You won't get better without treating fungus, parasites and coinfections- most commonly Bartonella and Babesia. That's great you're seeing an LLMD. I am being treated and getting better.AandrayaOn Nov 10, 2011, at 1:54 PM, lissarachel <elissarachel@...> wrote:

LLMD appointment is 12/1.

Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.

gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms.

Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?

Thanks

E

November 11, 2011

I'm with a HMO for regular health coverage. They will not cover anything out of their pharmacy or by a non-Kaiser doctor. They are not good for our benefit... marginal for other things.From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:10:52 AMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

-Why won't insurance cover your meds?? My insurance has covered everything so far, even the full price of Mepron. Maybe it's a state by state thing? I've been told MN is good for insurance companies covering meds. But if your doctor prescribes it???AandrayaOn Nov 11, 2011, at 5:46 AM, Goldstein@... wrote:

Wow, I sure understand not having any money for certain treatment right now. I'm so sorry Cecilia. It is super expensive to get into treatment and meds are expensive. My Rifampin is costing me $80/month alone. Doxy is cheap. But none of it is covered by my insurance. When you say your 8 year old has lesions spread out on her body - what do they look like? Does she have a rash too? Can you describe what the lesion looks like?From: "Cecilia Borg" <ceciliaborg@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:20:29 AMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Hi Aandraya!Thanks for your reply. I donÂ´t have sinus pain, only stuffed sinuses at night and no obsessive thinking anymore. Used to have it when we were fully attacked by the birdmites, but it has slowly worn off. No crawling sensations anymore either (thank god!)My 8 year old has had headaches 4 times this autumn (never had it before, but her father has occasional migrane) and she gets some few lesions spread out on her body now and then. The 2 year old has a lot of what they say is eczema. THat goes away with a mild cortison-creme though.I am really scared that the whole family has gotten lyme or somehing like it from the bird mite bites.I have been in contact with the eurolyme group, and they have given me the info to a Swedish

borrelia-cooperation, but they donÂ´t have any helpl. No dr:s in Sweden are Lyme-dr:s. You have to go to Germany and pay a lot of money (that we donÂ´t have)....THanks!CeciliaFrom: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:20 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Cecilia- Nightsweats are classic babesia. If you take the herb artemisia annua(artimisinin) Biopure in Europe has it) you'll know if you have it because the symptoms will be more pronounced. The sweats will increase! Yes, sinus pain is classic for Babesia too and fatigue is a given. Artemisia also treats Lyme. The famous trifecta is Lyme(Borrelia), bartonella, and babesia. Do you have anxiety or obsessive thinking type symptoms? What about the crawling sensations? That's bartonella.Aandraya On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

Aandraya!Would you say tiredness, stuffed sinuses , nightsweats would be symptoms of bartonella or babesia? That is what I have, but nothing else..KRCeciliaFrom: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:04 PMSubject: Re: Another

diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Sometimes antidepressants help, they helped me a little. Once I treated the Bartonella I went off all psychiatric meds. It took one year. Make sure your LLMD knows how to diagnose coinfections WITHOUT testing. You won't get better without treating fungus, parasites and coinfections- most commonly Bartonella and Babesia. That's great you're seeing an LLMD. I am being treated and getting better.AandrayaOn Nov 10, 2011, at 1:54 PM, lissarachel <elissarachel@...> wrote:

LLMD appointment is 12/1.

Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.

gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms.

Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?

Thanks

E

November 11, 2011

L-So what meds do they cover? By the way, Bactrim is an old abx and pretty cheap.AaOn Nov 11, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

I'm with a HMO for regular health coverage. They will not cover anything out of their pharmacy or by a non-Kaiser doctor. They are not good for our benefit... marginal for other things.From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:10:52 AMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

-Why won't insurance cover your meds?? My insurance has covered everything so far, even the full price of Mepron. Maybe it's a state by state thing? I've been told MN is good for insurance companies covering meds. But if your doctor prescribes it???AandrayaOn Nov 11, 2011, at 5:46 AM, Goldstein@... wrote:

Wow, I sure understand not having any money for certain treatment right now. I'm so sorry Cecilia. It is super expensive to get into treatment and meds are expensive. My Rifampin is costing me $80/month alone. Doxy is cheap. But none of it is covered by my insurance. When you say your 8 year old has lesions spread out on her body - what do they look like? Does she have a rash too? Can you describe what the lesion looks like?From: "Cecilia Borg" <ceciliaborg@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:20:29 AMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Hi Aandraya!Thanks for your reply. I donÂ´t have sinus pain, only stuffed sinuses at night and no obsessive thinking anymore. Used to have it when we were fully attacked by the birdmites, but it has slowly worn off. No crawling sensations anymore either (thank god!)My 8 year old has had headaches 4 times this autumn (never had it before, but her father has occasional migrane) and she gets some few lesions spread out on her body now and then. The 2 year old has a lot of what they say is eczema. THat goes away with a mild cortison-creme though.I am really scared that the whole family has gotten lyme or somehing like it from the bird mite bites.I have been in contact with the eurolyme group, and they have given me the info to a Swedish

borrelia-cooperation, but they donÂ´t have any helpl. No dr:s in Sweden are Lyme-dr:s. You have to go to Germany and pay a lot of money (that we donÂ´t have)....THanks!CeciliaFrom: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:20 PMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Cecilia- Nightsweats are classic babesia. If you take the herb artemisia annua(artimisinin) Biopure in Europe has it) you'll know if you have it because the symptoms will be more pronounced. The sweats will increase! Yes, sinus pain is classic for Babesia too and fatigue is a given. Artemisia also treats Lyme. The famous trifecta is Lyme(Borrelia), bartonella, and babesia. Do you have anxiety or obsessive thinking type symptoms? What about the crawling sensations? That's bartonella.Aandraya On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

Aandraya!Would you say tiredness, stuffed sinuses , nightsweats would be symptoms of bartonella or babesia? That is what I have, but nothing else..KRCeciliaFrom: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:04 PMSubject: Re: Another

diagnosis..."it's in your head"

Sometimes antidepressants help, they helped me a little. Once I treated the Bartonella I went off all psychiatric meds. It took one year. Make sure your LLMD knows how to diagnose coinfections WITHOUT testing. You won't get better without treating fungus, parasites and coinfections- most commonly Bartonella and Babesia. That's great you're seeing an LLMD. I am being treated and getting better.AandrayaOn Nov 10, 2011, at 1:54 PM, lissarachel <elissarachel@...> wrote:

LLMD appointment is 12/1.

Went to an annual physical with my primary care today...says no infection just severely depressed.

gave me an anti-depressant. I know I am depressed but it is not the cause of my symptoms.

Should I take it? Has one helped anyone feel a little better while dealing with the situation?

Thanks

E

November 11, 2011

They won't cover any of my meds from my LLMD. We're on our own.From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:43:30 AMSubject: Re: Another diagnosis..."it's in your head"