Re: Re: don't think any of us can for sure say bird mites-

September 26, 2011

I never really knew for a fact it was bird mites, except that many months later, I found something stuck to a black portrait photo - dead - light tan - when I microscoped it - it looked just like the pictures I had seen except that it was all dried up - but a perfect outline with all the features. I was going to save it and send it somewhere, but it fell apart when I scraped it off. And anyway, just because I found something, doesn't mean that's what I had. The biggest pointer was that the landlord found 4 rotten bird nests covered with fleas and rotting wet decay in a very hot -humid summer above the shower where the fan was supposed to be working. They all fell into the tub and he sprayed all over probably scattering

them in every which way. The fleas were eveyrwhere and ate us up for about a month, at one time, I had about 60 large bleeding lesions - some of them all blended in with each other. Then the exterminator brought that to an end, that's when the real problems started and never stopped. So if the fleas were gone, then what was biting us by the hundreds - I guess bird mites carrying all kinds of bacteria. Sometimes at work, it was so bad and I was so weak - my eyelids were all sticky and burning, I could hardly see - couldn't wait to get home, but to get there - I had to drive in even a heavier infestation itching all the way home, then I would jump in the tub for relief. I'm guessing that there were bird mites in those nests with all the horrible bacteria that formed in the rotting mess. I will never forget that horror!

From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:21 PMSubject: Re: Re: it's been a terrible few days

Seriously, the whole mite/bug/collembola infestation was outrageous. It seems impossible that they're gone. I don't EVER want to go through that again. I'm still dealing with chronic Lyme in a very big way, but after going through what I did I know I can handle this. I came upon this group after they were gone, but I will share anything that I can with others that might help them get past it.

One thing I'm not clear about is how people know they're birdmites. The name of the group could be deceiving. I saw collembola, but there could have been any number of mites, parasites, etc. Involved of which I will never know.

I was lucky to find a doctor who knew about this stuff and treated me full force at day 1 when I saw him- Dr. Schaller in Naples, Fl. He's VERY expensive but after a few months with him I found another doctor closer to me who continued treating me effectively.

One thing I never mentioned- the fuzzballs/ lint cocoons some of us get on clothes and fabric- if you tap them they will jump and slide, I think it was the collembola(springtails) inside them. Anyone ever noticed this?

Aandraya

On Sep 26, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

Ditto... yup, she is.

From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 3:01:42 PMSubject: Re: Re: it's been a terrible few days

Aandraya, You are a wealth of information!

>Have you tried dusting the floor with dry arm and hammer detergent? This was the first thing that worked for me. I left it work itself in for a couple days -major relief, and it gave me a break from constant vacuuming. The carpet wasn't a problem for me after that. I was surprised that the tile areas of the house also seemed to be a problem. For that the combination of diluted

bleach followed by dusting with dry baking soda cleared things up. I later vacuumed up the baking soda. I never identified the bug or bugs that were biting me, but those things worked to make my home environment affect me less.>I ended up finding out that I was attracting various infections and parasites to my skin due to internal toxic overload. My symptoms closely followed those of 'Neuro Cutaneous Syndrome'. After having dealt with my environment, putting loads of stuff in storage for a year, and doing lots of scabies type remedies, I found this out and started more internal protocols prescribed by Dr. Amin, a parasitologist in Arizona that has been studying this. >Your situation may be different, but if the arm & hammer baths relieved your symptoms somewhat (as it also did for me), this could be something that would help you make some headway with your carpeted areas too.>Good

luck! >>From: alaire73 <alaire_fetters@...>>bird mites >Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:32 PM>Subject: Re: it's been a terrible few days>>> >if i don't vacuum i keep something dusted on floor.if my landord has a prob she is more than welcome to move on in.i'm in survival mode! nothing i have put on my body repels.i have done it all. i took a lysol bath last night and that did help. these guys seem to like tea tree oil so i stopped. listerine,sulfur, deet didn't work either. borax and epsom salt and arm and hammer baths do relieve symptoms. i woke up normal this morning so who knows.i know the

dawn and lysol work it's just keeping up with the cycle. it takes only 2 to tango and produce and produce and produce. kill the bug!!!!!!!!>>>> >> >my body seriously cannot take anymore bites. i keep waking up with extremely swollen eyes & face, lumps, and these huge hives all over my body. does your body just get to the point where it can't take it anymore? i am on a long waiting list for a doctor. i just want to stay safe until i see him. it starts as bites then goes

crazy. has anyone experienced these symptoms? >> >>>>>

September 26, 2011

Yes, that definitely brings back memories. A first I thought it was scabies, but it wasn't. I spent hours in the bathtub and often fell asleep in there. Did you have the lintballs all over? And when detached they could move, that was the weirdest. On Sep 26, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Doris Kennedy <kean2465@...> wrote:

I never really knew for a fact it was bird mites, except that many months later, I found something stuck to a black portrait photo - dead - light tan - when I microscoped it - it looked just like the pictures I had seen except that it was all dried up - but a perfect outline with all the features. I was going to save it and send it somewhere, but it fell apart when I scraped it off. And anyway, just because I found something, doesn't mean that's what I had. The biggest pointer was that the landlord found 4 rotten bird nests covered with fleas and rotting wet decay in a very hot -humid summer above the shower where the fan was supposed to be working. They all fell into the tub and he sprayed all over probably scattering

them in every which way. The fleas were eveyrwhere and ate us up for about a month, at one time, I had about 60 large bleeding lesions - some of them all blended in with each other. Then the exterminator brought that to an end, that's when the real problems started and never stopped. So if the fleas were gone, then what was biting us by the hundreds - I guess bird mites carrying all kinds of bacteria. Sometimes at work, it was so bad and I was so weak - my eyelids were all sticky and burning, I could hardly see - couldn't wait to get home, but to get there - I had to drive in even a heavier infestation itching all the way home, then I would jump in the tub for relief. I'm guessing that there were bird mites in those nests with all the horrible bacteria that formed in the rotting mess. I will never forget that horror!

From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:21 PMSubject: Re: Re: it's been a terrible few days

Seriously, the whole mite/bug/collembola infestation was outrageous. It seems impossible that they're gone. I don't EVER want to go through that again. I'm still dealing with chronic Lyme in a very big way, but after going through what I did I know I can handle this. I came upon this group after they were gone, but I will share anything that I can with others that might help them get past it.

One thing I'm not clear about is how people know they're birdmites. The name of the group could be deceiving. I saw collembola, but there could have been any number of mites, parasites, etc. Involved of which I will never know.

I was lucky to find a doctor who knew about this stuff and treated me full force at day 1 when I saw him- Dr. Schaller in Naples, Fl. He's VERY expensive but after a few months with him I found another doctor closer to me who continued treating me effectively.

One thing I never mentioned- the fuzzballs/ lint cocoons some of us get on clothes and fabric- if you tap them they will jump and slide, I think it was the collembola(springtails) inside them. Anyone ever noticed this?

Aandraya

On Sep 26, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

Ditto... yup, she is.

From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 3:01:42 PMSubject: Re: Re: it's been a terrible few days

Aandraya, You are a wealth of information!

>Have you tried dusting the floor with dry arm and hammer detergent? This was the first thing that worked for me. I left it work itself in for a couple days -major relief, and it gave me a break from constant vacuuming. The carpet wasn't a problem for me after that. I was surprised that the tile areas of the house also seemed to be a problem. For that the combination of diluted

bleach followed by dusting with dry baking soda cleared things up. I later vacuumed up the baking soda. I never identified the bug or bugs that were biting me, but those things worked to make my home environment affect me less.>I ended up finding out that I was attracting various infections and parasites to my skin due to internal toxic overload. My symptoms closely followed those of 'Neuro Cutaneous Syndrome'. After having dealt with my environment, putting loads of stuff in storage for a year, and doing lots of scabies type remedies, I found this out and started more internal protocols prescribed by Dr. Amin, a parasitologist in Arizona that has been studying this. >Your situation may be different, but if the arm & hammer baths relieved your symptoms somewhat (as it also did for me), this could be something that would help you make some headway with your carpeted areas too.>Good

luck! >>From: alaire73 <alaire_fetters@...>>bird mites >Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:32 PM>Subject: Re: it's been a terrible few days>>> >if i don't vacuum i keep something dusted on floor.if my landord has a prob she is more than welcome to move on in.i'm in survival mode! nothing i have put on my body repels.i have done it all. i took a lysol bath last night and that did help. these guys seem to like tea tree oil so i stopped. listerine,sulfur, deet didn't work either. borax and epsom salt and arm and hammer baths do relieve symptoms. i woke up normal this morning so who knows.i know the

dawn and lysol work it's just keeping up with the cycle. it takes only 2 to tango and produce and produce and produce. kill the bug!!!!!!!!>>>> >> >my body seriously cannot take anymore bites. i keep waking up with extremely swollen eyes & face, lumps, and these huge hives all over my body. does your body just get to the point where it can't take it anymore? i am on a long waiting list for a doctor. i just want to stay safe until i see him. it starts as bites then goes

crazy. has anyone experienced these symptoms? >> >>>>>

September 26, 2011

Very graphic and good description Doris. I will never forget either, all the biting on the eyeballs, up the nose, up private parts, into the ears, you name it, we had it. Bites that felt like a tiny ice pick to the feet... bites that were lesions that did not heal for a year or longer - it has been a very sci fi experience all the way around. Who could forget it? Hugs, From: "Doris Kennedy" <kean2465@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 6:44:42 PMSubject: Re: Re: don't think any of us can for sure say bird mites-

I never really knew for a fact it was bird mites, except that many months later, I found something stuck to a black portrait photo - dead - light tan - when I microscoped it - it looked just like the pictures I had seen except that it was all dried up - but a perfect outline with all the features. I was going to save it and send it somewhere, but it fell apart when I scraped it off. And anyway, just because I found something, doesn't mean that's what I had. The biggest pointer was that the landlord found 4 rotten bird nests covered with fleas and rotting wet decay in a very hot -humid summer above the shower where the fan was supposed to be working. They all fell into the tub and he sprayed all over probably scattering

them in every which way. The fleas were eveyrwhere and ate us up for about a month, at one time, I had about 60 large bleeding lesions - some of them all blended in with each other. Then the exterminator brought that to an end, that's when the real problems started and never stopped. So if the fleas were gone, then what was biting us by the hundreds - I guess bird mites carrying all kinds of bacteria. Sometimes at work, it was so bad and I was so weak - my eyelids were all sticky and burning, I could hardly see - couldn't wait to get home, but to get there - I had to drive in even a heavier infestation itching all the way home, then I would jump in the tub for relief. I'm guessing that there were bird mites in those nests with all the horrible bacteria that formed in the rotting mess. I will never forget that horror!

From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:21 PMSubject: Re: Re: it's been a terrible few days

Seriously, the whole mite/bug/collembola infestation was outrageous. It seems impossible that they're gone. I don't EVER want to go through that again. I'm still dealing with chronic Lyme in a very big way, but after going through what I did I know I can handle this. I came upon this group after they were gone, but I will share anything that I can with others that might help them get past it.

One thing I'm not clear about is how people know they're birdmites. The name of the group could be deceiving. I saw collembola, but there could have been any number of mites, parasites, etc. Involved of which I will never know.

I was lucky to find a doctor who knew about this stuff and treated me full force at day 1 when I saw him- Dr. Schaller in Naples, Fl. He's VERY expensive but after a few months with him I found another doctor closer to me who continued treating me effectively.

One thing I never mentioned- the fuzzballs/ lint cocoons some of us get on clothes and fabric- if you tap them they will jump and slide, I think it was the collembola(springtails) inside them. Anyone ever noticed this?

Aandraya

On Sep 26, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

Ditto... yup, she is.

From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 3:01:42 PMSubject: Re: Re: it's been a terrible few days

Aandraya, You are a wealth of information!

>Have you tried dusting the floor with dry arm and hammer detergent? This was the first thing that worked for me. I left it work itself in for a couple days -major relief, and it gave me a break from constant vacuuming. The carpet wasn't a problem for me after that. I was surprised that the tile areas of the house also seemed to be a problem. For that the combination of diluted

bleach followed by dusting with dry baking soda cleared things up. I later vacuumed up the baking soda. I never identified the bug or bugs that were biting me, but those things worked to make my home environment affect me less.>I ended up finding out that I was attracting various infections and parasites to my skin due to internal toxic overload. My symptoms closely followed those of 'Neuro Cutaneous Syndrome'. After having dealt with my environment, putting loads of stuff in storage for a year, and doing lots of scabies type remedies, I found this out and started more internal protocols prescribed by Dr. Amin, a parasitologist in Arizona that has been studying this. >Your situation may be different, but if the arm & hammer baths relieved your symptoms somewhat (as it also did for me), this could be something that would help you make some headway with your carpeted areas too.>Good

luck! >>From: alaire73 <alaire_fetters@...>>bird mites >Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:32 PM>Subject: Re: it's been a terrible few days>>> >if i don't vacuum i keep something dusted on floor.if my landord has a prob she is more than welcome to move on in.i'm in survival mode! nothing i have put on my body repels.i have done it all. i took a lysol bath last night and that did help. these guys seem to like tea tree oil so i stopped. listerine,sulfur, deet didn't work either. borax and epsom salt and arm and hammer baths do relieve symptoms. i woke up normal this morning so who knows.i know the

dawn and lysol work it's just keeping up with the cycle. it takes only 2 to tango and produce and produce and produce. kill the bug!!!!!!!!>>>> >> >my body seriously cannot take anymore bites. i keep waking up with extremely swollen eyes & face, lumps, and these huge hives all over my body. does your body just get to the point where it can't take it anymore? i am on a long waiting list for a doctor. i just want to stay safe until i see him. it starts as bites then goes

crazy. has anyone experienced these symptoms? >> >>>>>

September 26, 2011

I still find myself scanning my environment for "specks" of things, bugs, floating debris... and I can't help observing people's skin, always looking for marks or any sort of irregularity. The whole scenario can really make you crazy. I don't like any sort of insects near me either. This is wearing off though with time. On Sep 26, 2011, at 10:58 PM, Goldstein@... wrote: