Moving

[Guest guest]

Hi, I'm thinking about moving in with my parents. I could feel some mites over

there this past summer, but not to the extent at my condo. I know some of you

have said to throw out everything. What about jewelry? How do you get

everything out? Find someone willing to pack it and throw it away? Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Rifampin was somewhat effective for me, I really wasn't on it long enough. But from what I hear Levaquin is the topline treatment for Bart, it has been for me. Make sure you're on magnesium a couple weeks before taking it 800-1000 mg Mag glycinate, and stay on it throughout treatment- take 3 hrs away from Levaquin. The herxes are much more tolerable and less likely to have tendon issues that some get on Levaquin. The herx for me was brutal, but I'm not working. Start at 500 mg a day an hour away from food, after several months 500mg 2x a day. When I doubled the dose the herx was not as bad as when I first started on Levaquin. Hope this helps. Aandraya On Sep 8, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000474/Info about Prazequantil... maybe I should have bit the bullet and just tried it.From: Goldstein@...To: bird mites Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 1:56:01 PMSubject: Re: Moving

Aandraya,My doctor prescribed Rifampin for Bartonella and I still have not taken the prescription, because I did not want to do Doxy with the Rifampin, but have the prescription since June. Do you know of anyone who has had luck with that or should I just ask her for Levaquin script? For Morgellons she prescribed Prazequantil, 600 Tid and Metronidazole, 250 mg Tid. I went to fill the script for Prazequantil and it would have cost me over $1,000 for one script. I said "no thanks."From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 1:36:16 PMSubject: Re: Moving

It's 8-12 months to treat, depending on how virulent the strain is, other coinfections, and of course immune system status. Levaquin has been nothing short of a miracle for my Bart. Going on 4 months.AandrayaOn Sep 8, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

I probably most likely still have Bartonella, but the main symptoms are decreased and foot sensations are mostly gone. From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 12:41:19 PMSubject: Re: Moving

The soles of the feet sensation is Bartonella- one of the Lyme coinfections, it's classic. CS will almost positively not be enough for an antimicrobial. You need multiple herbal and/or rx antibiotics.Aandraya On Sep 8, 2011, at 2:34 PM, <terelynjon@...> wrote:

I started taking colloidal silver yesterday. I wish I could get rid of the mites in the bottom of my feet I picked up last week. It feels like pads on the bottom of my feet around my toes, more on the right where I was using my foot pedal for 2 days wearing infected flip flops I guess.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Aandraya <aandraya@...> wrote:

I don't believe throwing away everything is the answer. I had a bad infestation, treat the infections and this stuff won't be attracted to you and be growing on you. The average healthy person isn't affected by these organisms, they don't become a chronic issue.

Aandraya

On Sep 8, 2011, at 1:42 PM, <terelynjon@...> wrote:

I have already torn out the carpet myself, but have hardly thrown out anything in the kitchen. It is going to look really crazy throwing out all that stuff. Even some of my plates, bowls, etc. feel infected now. I'm sort of sad to part with everything...and I know if my mother is over during that time she will want to save some things. She is driving me around as my car is infected also. She doesn't think I'm crazy, but I don't know what she will think when she sees me throwing all my stuff away.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 2:28 PM, <Goldstein@...> wrote:

Hi whatstheuse2,

We kinda had to do that, although we stayed in our townhouse. We took 2 large loads of most of our belongings to the local dump and rented a U-Haul. My husband and I did as much packing as we could (most), but we had to hire someone to remove all the carpets. The bugs were crawling everywhere, but you couldn't see them. We called a company and disclosed everything to them and I mean everything, but they sent two poor fellows to do the work with no protection whatsoever. One fellow was jumping up and down with all the crawlies when he finished... literally! I often wonder if he got these too as a result of the work. We paid triple what one would normally pay for this service.

From: "whatstheuse2" <terelynjon@...>bird mites

Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 11:14:38 AMSubject: Moving

Hi, I'm thinking about moving in with my parents. I could feel some mites over there this past summer, but not to the extent at my condo. I know some of you have said to throw out everything. What about jewelry? How do you get everything out? Find someone willing to pack it and throw it away? Thanks.

[Guest guest]

I decided to use the Rifampin up since I had it already, so will report back if it seems to be helping... one of my main issues is biofilm, very little strange skin sensations in the last few months, occasional biting sensation on feet, but very rare. Also have had extreme fatigue for awhile. This is 300 mg Rifampin 2x/day. Dr. gives lots of refills if I want them. TYG for LLDs.From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 3:51:58 PMSubject: Re: Moving

Rifampin was somewhat effective for me, I really wasn't on it long enough. But from what I hear Levaquin is the topline treatment for Bart, it has been for me. Make sure you're on magnesium a couple weeks before taking it 800-1000 mg Mag glycinate, and stay on it throughout treatment- take 3 hrs away from Levaquin. The herxes are much more tolerable and less likely to have tendon issues that some get on Levaquin. The herx for me was brutal, but I'm not working. Start at 500 mg a day an hour away from food, after several months 500mg 2x a day. When I doubled the dose the herx was not as bad as when I first started on Levaquin. Hope this helps. Aandraya On Sep 8, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000474/Info about Prazequantil... maybe I should have bit the bullet and just tried it.From: Goldstein@...To: bird mites Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 1:56:01 PMSubject: Re: Moving

Aandraya,My doctor prescribed Rifampin for Bartonella and I still have not taken the prescription, because I did not want to do Doxy with the Rifampin, but have the prescription since June. Do you know of anyone who has had luck with that or should I just ask her for Levaquin script? For Morgellons she prescribed Prazequantil, 600 Tid and Metronidazole, 250 mg Tid. I went to fill the script for Prazequantil and it would have cost me over $1,000 for one script. I said "no thanks."From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 1:36:16 PMSubject: Re: Moving

It's 8-12 months to treat, depending on how virulent the strain is, other coinfections, and of course immune system status. Levaquin has been nothing short of a miracle for my Bart. Going on 4 months.AandrayaOn Sep 8, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

I probably most likely still have Bartonella, but the main symptoms are decreased and foot sensations are mostly gone. From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 12:41:19 PMSubject: Re: Moving

The soles of the feet sensation is Bartonella- one of the Lyme coinfections, it's classic. CS will almost positively not be enough for an antimicrobial. You need multiple herbal and/or rx antibiotics.Aandraya On Sep 8, 2011, at 2:34 PM, <terelynjon@...> wrote:

I started taking colloidal silver yesterday. I wish I could get rid of the mites in the bottom of my feet I picked up last week. It feels like pads on the bottom of my feet around my toes, more on the right where I was using my foot pedal for 2 days wearing infected flip flops I guess.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Aandraya <aandraya@...> wrote:

I don't believe throwing away everything is the answer. I had a bad infestation, treat the infections and this stuff won't be attracted to you and be growing on you. The average healthy person isn't affected by these organisms, they don't become a chronic issue.

Aandraya

On Sep 8, 2011, at 1:42 PM, <terelynjon@...> wrote:

I have already torn out the carpet myself, but have hardly thrown out anything in the kitchen. It is going to look really crazy throwing out all that stuff. Even some of my plates, bowls, etc. feel infected now. I'm sort of sad to part with everything...and I know if my mother is over during that time she will want to save some things. She is driving me around as my car is infected also. She doesn't think I'm crazy, but I don't know what she will think when she sees me throwing all my stuff away.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 2:28 PM, <Goldstein@...> wrote:

Hi whatstheuse2,

We kinda had to do that, although we stayed in our townhouse. We took 2 large loads of most of our belongings to the local dump and rented a U-Haul. My husband and I did as much packing as we could (most), but we had to hire someone to remove all the carpets. The bugs were crawling everywhere, but you couldn't see them. We called a company and disclosed everything to them and I mean everything, but they sent two poor fellows to do the work with no protection whatsoever. One fellow was jumping up and down with all the crawlies when he finished... literally! I often wonder if he got these too as a result of the work. We paid triple what one would normally pay for this service.

From: "whatstheuse2" <terelynjon@...>bird mites

Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 11:14:38 AMSubject: Moving

Hi, I'm thinking about moving in with my parents. I could feel some mites over there this past summer, but not to the extent at my condo. I know some of you have said to throw out everything. What about jewelry? How do you get everything out? Find someone willing to pack it and throw it away? Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Only have visible bites if wear my shoes too long

Then they really attack my toes

Very painful if goes on

And distressing

Tiny black dots:-(

C

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 02:53 GMT Aandraya Da Silva wrote:

>You need to catch and identify them. Do you have visible bites? I never saw

mites, I saw collembola(springtails) though under the magnifying glass. And I

saw them jump, plus stange things floating in the air. I do not know if I had

mites as well as I never saw them. But whatever I had was in my house, on my

body, and in my car. You need to treat your body or you will probably not be

free of them.

>

>Aandraya

>

>On Dec 3, 2011, at 7:23 AM, christine french wrote:

>

>> Do the igregulators in flea sprays help

>> Sprayed this flat with permethrin and an igregulator

>> Bit better but obviously offending nests need taken care of

>> Why do folk say permethrin not succesful

>> Is it because mites arachnids not insects?

>> Spiders died in here with the spray,they arachnids

>> Thanks

>> C

>> On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 12:53 GMT Elissa wrote:

>>

>> >When you move, you have to prevent them from reproducing. You can use an

>> >insect growth regulator. So...once you kill them, there are no more eggs

>> >or mites hiding in cracks.

>> >

>> >On Dec 3, 2011 7:41 AM, " christine french " <karmakatmeow@...> wrote:

>> >

>> >**

>> >

>> >

>> >Hi

>> >When people have moved n bugs come with them do they eventually die out as

>> >no bird host.

>> >Im confused

>> >Do they need birds to breed

>> >Do they breed happily on us n animals?

>> >Conflicting things said on the web

>> >Need to move as cannot get to source of problem here

>> >But so scared to bring with me

>> >What do people sugest its safe to bring?

>> >Going to throw out my furniture for a start:-(

>> >Thanks

>> >Also how to get rid of them on old cat who cant take harsh chemicals?

>> >Thanks

>> >C

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

>

[Guest guest]

Shall look up lyme,bartonella

Did not know about them till today

C

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 02:55 GMT Aandraya Da Silva wrote:

>Exactly what Elissa says, some of the symptoms are due to infections. Healthy

people do not have these problems. I denied it for many months until I saw a

Lyme doctor and everything started to make sense. For a long time I thought it

was just my environment.

>Aa

>

>On Dec 3, 2011, at 7:32 AM, Elissa wrote:

>

>>

>> I'm in U.S.

>>

>> We moved but still have small infestation. We opened dry cleaning by

accident from other apartment and reinfested ourselves.

>>

>> If you move, be really careful not to bring anything with mites.

>>

>> We will be using the IGR in the next week or so for the first time. we don't

have constant biting though.

>>

>> also, depending on how long you've been dealing with this, they might be

attracted to you because of internal infections, mold, fungus, lyme, etc...treat

those to gret rid of mites completely.

>>

>>

>>> On Dec 3, 2011 8:23 AM, " christine french " <karmakatmeow@...> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>> Do the igregulators in flea sprays help

>>> Sprayed this flat with permethrin and an igregulator

>>> Bit better but obviously offending nests need taken care of

>>> Why do folk say permethrin not succesful

>>> Is it because mites arachnids not insects?

>>> Spiders died in here with the spray,they arachnids

>>> Thanks

>>>

>>>

>>> C

>>> On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 12:53 GMT Elissa wrote:

>>>

>>> >When you move, you have to prevent them from...

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi My mum really likes the dettol - she very much notices a big reduction in crawlies after she's used it - I do too. The sulphur soap I buy from ebay - it has 10% sulphur in it, costs about £3.50 - it's not the best smelling soap in the world, but it really calms the itching down. I rub it all over me and dab with a towel so as not to rub it off or sometimes dry with a hairdryer - I forgot to mention I also use head & shoulders shampoo for my hair - that

seems to help.I have used borax in the past and that was helpful - a lot of people have had good results with borax.I really know what your going through - when we first got this infestation, I felt absolutely shocked and depressed - had never known anything like this - Did have cats in the past who picked up fleas, but they were eradicated - this is something completely different - and it is nothing to do with dirtiness - this can happen to anyone.Have a look on the net to

find out if there are natural remedies for Karma, as they will be a lot easier on her - I don't know how she would take to garlic in her food, but I've heard that can be good for repelling mites.I am moving in March, and yes hoping to move with nothing - it will be privately renting, and may well have to be a furnished property - although others here haven't thrown anything away and are getting on top of the problem.. so I will think some more about that decision.Take careKaz x From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...> bird mites Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:05 AM Subject: Re: moving

Hi kaz

Thanks

Sorry u n ur mum both going through this

Its awful

Thanks for tip re disinfectant

Will try

Were u able to get borax?

Where do u get sulphur soap?

So ur wee cat no afected?

Does frontline kill mites

Karma had reaction to that

As said previous post concerned givin her any more chemicals

She lump heart disease just since june n i distraught wi that then july mites n fleas

What a horendous time

Feel for her as she nearin the end kaz n i adore her n hate how her ears hurtin

Pretty sure it mites

N she so sick n diareah for weeks after i aprayed both pesticide

Just me n her u see

Hate that cant take evil mites away

So u plan take nothing when u move

U mean nothing?

Turn up just what u wearing

Then go buy things?

Im confused what to do

Have little money

Wol throw out most furniture

But just got nee washin machin n hoover etc no throw out

But throw out bed,chest drawers fridge sofa chairs hi fi n computer as they intricate tiny bits in them

I feel ill

Cany sleep

Head goin round n round

Good tips re wash clothes

But lying here few pinprick bites n crawling

Despair at get rid of all clothes n bedding

But csnnot go new place feel like this

N know take longtime immune system get better

I know al my socks tights shoes boots infested

Wear one pair n disinfectant helped but not enough

No point new shoes till move

Heartbrakin three new pair sheepskin boots got sales to last years

Have throw out

How will u cope moving wi nothing?

I wonder if i csn wash pladtic sheet cover n take?

Its like a horror story

Stil cant believe everyone going thru this torture really

:-(

C

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 17:32 GMT Keogh wrote:

>Hi and everyone

>

>I'm really sorry to hear you're suffering with this problem.. I, and my mum, who lives seperately, have been going through this for over a year now - we are in England.

>

>

>We have tried lots of things including pest control treatments over the months - the best thing we have found to keep their numbers down is dettol or savlon disinfectant liquid, mixed with water and sprayed on walls, carpets, furniture etc - also I put it in the washing machine and pre wash the clothes with it before the full wash cycle - thats helped a lot. There is an ingrediant called Benzalkonium Chloride in them that seems to kill the mites - Zoflora disinfectant also contains this ingrediant. Ironing with lots of steam is also very good for killing them, it makes a noticable difference.

>Sulphur soap is great too, I use it in the shower and leave it on - just dry with a towel lightly so it doesnt come off of your body

>

>

>We learned so much from this site and everybody knows exactly what everyone else is going through.

>

>I haven't posted on here for a while due being busy at work & exhausted - I have been reading all the posts though and have decided to make an appointment with the doctor to see if we can be tested for infections such as Lyme and Bartonella.. It's starting to make sense that if its not gone in all this time there may be another reason it's still here.. In us :0/

>

>I have a cat too, she's a baby still at 15 months - I use frontline on her and she seems ok with that so far.

>

>I will be moving at the beginning of march, so I am also trying to prepare for that as I don't want to take anything with me.. Just myself and the cat :0)

>

>Take care

>

>

>Kaz x

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>________________________________

> From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>

>bird mites

>Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 4:47 PM

>Subject: Re: moving

>

>

>

>Good luck with that elissa!

>I dust karma already

>Ears still afected!

>What a life!

>C

>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 16:25 GMT Elissa wrote:

>

>>Thank you.

>>

>>I think we will try Nylar.

>>

>>Others will probably have advice about your cat. Maybe dust with food

>>grade diatomaceius (sp.) Earth.

>>

>>On Dec 3, 2011 8:38 AM, "christine french" <karmakatmeow@...> wrote:

>>

>>**

>>

>>

>>Dear ellisa

>>Glad its better in your new place though sorry u got small infestation

>>though much easier to deal with

>>Good luck with complete eradication which im sure you will manage!

>>Take it you have been through hell with this as well?

>>Which igregulator is it advisable to use for bird mites?

>>C

>>

>>

>>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 13:32 GMT Elissa wrote:

>>

>>>I'm in U.S.

>>>

>>>We moved but still have small i...

>>>**

>>

>>

>>>

>>>

>>>Do the igregulators in flea sprays help

>>>Sprayed this flat with permethrin and an igregulator

>>...

>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi karen

We both in uk would it be possible to talk to u by phone?

In same boat!:-(

No matter if ud rather not

Still chat here

C

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 12:51 GMT Keogh wrote:

>Hi

>

>

>My mum really likes the dettol - she very much notices a big reduction in

crawlies after she's used it - I do too.

>

>

>The sulphur soap I buy from ebay - it has 10% sulphur in it, costs about £3.50

- it's not the best smelling soap in the world, but it really calms the itching

down. I rub it all over me and dab with a towel so as not to rub it off or

sometimes dry with a hairdryer - I forgot to mention I also use head & shoulders

shampoo for my hair - that seems to help.

>

>I have used borax in the past and that was helpful - a lot of people have had

good results with borax.

>

>I really know what your going through - when we first got this infestation, I

felt absolutely shocked and depressed - had never known anything like this - Did

have cats in the past who picked up fleas, but they were eradicated - this is

something completely different - and it is nothing to do with dirtiness - this

can happen to anyone.

>

>Have a look on the net to find out if there are natural remedies for Karma, as

they will be a lot easier on her - I don't know how she would take to garlic in

her food, but I've heard that can be good for repelling mites.

>

>I am moving in March, and yes hoping to move with nothing - it will be

privately renting, and may well have to be a furnished property - although

others here haven't thrown anything away and are getting on top of the problem..

so I will think some more about that decision.

>

>Take care

>

>Kaz x

>

>

>

>

>________________________________

> From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>

>bird mites

>Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:05 AM

>Subject: Re: moving

>

>

> 

>Hi kaz

>Thanks

>Sorry u n ur mum both going through this

>Its awful

>Thanks for tip re disinfectant

>Will try

>Were u able to get borax?

>Where do u get sulphur soap?

>So ur wee cat no afected?

>Does frontline kill mites

>Karma had reaction to that

>As said previous post concerned givin her any more chemicals

>She lump heart disease just since june n i distraught wi that then july mites n

fleas

>What a horendous time

>Feel for her as she nearin the end kaz n i adore her n hate how her ears hurtin

>Pretty sure it mites

>N she so sick n diareah for weeks after i aprayed both pesticide

>Just me n her u see

>Hate that cant take evil mites away

>So u plan take nothing when u move

>U mean nothing?

>Turn up just what u wearing

>Then go buy things?

>Im confused what to do

>Have little money

>Wol throw out most furniture

>But just got nee washin machin n hoover etc no throw out

>But throw out bed,chest drawers fridge sofa chairs hi fi n computer as they

intricate tiny bits in them

>I feel ill

>Cany sleep

>Head goin round n round

>Good tips re wash clothes

>But lying here few pinprick bites n crawling

>Despair at get rid of all clothes n bedding

>But csnnot go new place feel like this

>N know take longtime immune system get better

>I know al my socks tights shoes boots infested

>Wear one pair n disinfectant helped but not enough

>No point new shoes till move

>Heartbrakin three new pair sheepskin boots got sales to last years

>Have throw out

>How will u cope moving wi nothing?

>I wonder if i csn wash pladtic sheet cover n take?

>Its like a horror story

>Stil cant believe everyone going thru this torture really

>:-(

>C

>

>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 17:32 GMT Keogh wrote:

>

>>Hi and everyone

>>

>>I'm really sorry to hear you're suffering with this problem.. I, and my mum,

who lives seperately, have been going through this for over a year now - we are

in England.

>>

>>

>>We have tried lots of things including pest control treatments over the months

- the best thing we have found to keep their numbers down is dettol or savlon

disinfectant liquid, mixed with water and sprayed on walls, carpets, furniture

etc - also I put it in the washing machine and pre wash the clothes with it

before the full wash cycle - thats helped a lot. There is an ingrediant called

Benzalkonium Chloride in them that seems to kill the mites - Zoflora

disinfectant also contains this ingrediant. Ironing with lots of steam is also

very good for killing them, it makes a noticable difference.

>>Sulphur soap is great too, I use it in the shower and leave it on - just dry

with a towel lightly so it doesnt come off of your body

>>

>>

>>We learned so much from this site and everybody knows exactly what everyone

else is going through.

>>

>>I haven't posted on here for a while due being busy at work & exhausted  - I

have been reading all the posts though and have decided to make an appointment

with the doctor to see if we can be tested for infections such as Lyme and

Bartonella.. It's starting to make sense that if its not gone in all this time

there may be another reason it's still here.. In us :0/

>>

>>I have a cat too, she's a baby still at 15 months - I use frontline on her and

she seems ok with that so far.

>>

>>I will be moving at the beginning of march, so I am also trying to prepare for

that as I don't want to take anything with me.. Just myself and the cat :0)

>>

>>Take care

>>

>>

>>Kaz x

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> 

>>

>>

>>

>>________________________________

>> From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>

>>bird mites

>>Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 4:47 PM

>>Subject: Re: moving

>>

>>

>> 

>>Good luck with that elissa!

>>I dust karma already

>>Ears still afected!

>>What a life!

>>C

>>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 16:25 GMT Elissa wrote:

>>

>>>Thank you.

>>>

>>>I think we will try Nylar.

>>>

>>>Others will probably have advice about your cat. Maybe dust with food

>>>grade diatomaceius (sp.) Earth.

>>>

>>>On Dec 3, 2011 8:38 AM, " christine french " <karmakatmeow@...> wrote:

>>>

>>>**

>>>

>>>

>>>Dear ellisa

>>>Glad its better in your new place though sorry u got small infestation

>>>though much easier to deal with

>>>Good luck with complete eradication which im sure you will manage!

>>>Take it you have been through hell with this as well?

>>>Which igregulator is it advisable to use for bird mites?

>>>C

>>>

>>>

>>>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 13:32 GMT Elissa wrote:

>>>

>>>>I'm in U.S.

>>>>

>>>>We moved but still have small i...

>>>>**

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Do the igregulators in flea sprays help

>>>>Sprayed this flat with permethrin and an igregulator

>>>...

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Yes, would be great to chat on the phone.I have to go out shortly but will be back home about 5 o'clock - would you like to send me your number and I can you then - you can send it privately to me if you wish.Kaz x From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...> bird mites Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 1:03 PM Subject: Re: moving

Hi karen

We both in uk would it be possible to talk to u by phone?

In same boat!:-(

No matter if ud rather not

Still chat here

C

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 12:51 GMT Keogh wrote:

>Hi

>

>

>My mum really likes the dettol - she very much notices a big reduction in crawlies after she's used it - I do too.

>

>

>The sulphur soap I buy from ebay - it has 10% sulphur in it, costs about £3.50 - it's not the best smelling soap in the world, but it really calms the itching down. I rub it all over me and dab with a towel so as not to rub it off or sometimes dry with a hairdryer - I forgot to mention I also use head & shoulders shampoo for my hair - that seems to help.

>

>I have used borax in the past and that was helpful - a lot of people have had good results with borax.

>

>I really know what your going through - when we first got this infestation, I felt absolutely shocked and depressed - had never known anything like this - Did have cats in the past who picked up fleas, but they were eradicated - this is something completely different - and it is nothing to do with dirtiness - this can happen to anyone.

>

>Have a look on the net to find out if there are natural remedies for Karma, as they will be a lot easier on her - I don't know how she would take to garlic in her food, but I've heard that can be good for repelling mites.

>

>I am moving in March, and yes hoping to move with nothing - it will be privately renting, and may well have to be a furnished property - although others here haven't thrown anything away and are getting on top of the problem.. so I will think some more about that decision.

>

>Take care

>

>Kaz x

>

>

>

>

>________________________________

> From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>

>bird mites

>Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:05 AM

>Subject: Re: moving

>

>

>

>Hi kaz

>Thanks

>Sorry u n ur mum both going through this

>Its awful

>Thanks for tip re disinfectant

>Will try

>Were u able to get borax?

>Where do u get sulphur soap?

>So ur wee cat no afected?

>Does frontline kill mites

>Karma had reaction to that

>As said previous post concerned givin her any more chemicals

>She lump heart disease just since june n i distraught wi that then july mites n fleas

>What a horendous time

>Feel for her as she nearin the end kaz n i adore her n hate how her ears hurtin

>Pretty sure it mites

>N she so sick n diareah for weeks after i aprayed both pesticide

>Just me n her u see

>Hate that cant take evil mites away

>So u plan take nothing when u move

>U mean nothing?

>Turn up just what u wearing

>Then go buy things?

>Im confused what to do

>Have little money

>Wol throw out most furniture

>But just got nee washin machin n hoover etc no throw out

>But throw out bed,chest drawers fridge sofa chairs hi fi n computer as they intricate tiny bits in them

>I feel ill

>Cany sleep

>Head goin round n round

>Good tips re wash clothes

>But lying here few pinprick bites n crawling

>Despair at get rid of all clothes n bedding

>But csnnot go new place feel like this

>N know take longtime immune system get better

>I know al my socks tights shoes boots infested

>Wear one pair n disinfectant helped but not enough

>No point new shoes till move

>Heartbrakin three new pair sheepskin boots got sales to last years

>Have throw out

>How will u cope moving wi nothing?

>I wonder if i csn wash pladtic sheet cover n take?

>Its like a horror story

>Stil cant believe everyone going thru this torture really

>:-(

>C

>

>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 17:32 GMT Keogh wrote:

>

>>Hi and everyone

>>

>>I'm really sorry to hear you're suffering with this problem.. I, and my mum, who lives seperately, have been going through this for over a year now - we are in England.

>>

>>

>>We have tried lots of things including pest control treatments over the months - the best thing we have found to keep their numbers down is dettol or savlon disinfectant liquid, mixed with water and sprayed on walls, carpets, furniture etc - also I put it in the washing machine and pre wash the clothes with it before the full wash cycle - thats helped a lot. There is an ingrediant called Benzalkonium Chloride in them that seems to kill the mites - Zoflora disinfectant also contains this ingrediant. Ironing with lots of steam is also very good for killing them, it makes a noticable difference.

>>Sulphur soap is great too, I use it in the shower and leave it on - just dry with a towel lightly so it doesnt come off of your body

>>

>>

>>We learned so much from this site and everybody knows exactly what everyone else is going through.

>>

>>I haven't posted on here for a while due being busy at work & exhausted - I have been reading all the posts though and have decided to make an appointment with the doctor to see if we can be tested for infections such as Lyme and Bartonella.. It's starting to make sense that if its not gone in all this time there may be another reason it's still here.. In us :0/

>>

>>I have a cat too, she's a baby still at 15 months - I use frontline on her and she seems ok with that so far.

>>

>>I will be moving at the beginning of march, so I am also trying to prepare for that as I don't want to take anything with me.. Just myself and the cat :0)

>>

>>Take care

>>

>>

>>Kaz x

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>________________________________

>> From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>

>>bird mites

>>Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 4:47 PM

>>Subject: Re: moving

>>

>>

>>

>>Good luck with that elissa!

>>I dust karma already

>>Ears still afected!

>>What a life!

>>C

>>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 16:25 GMT Elissa wrote:

>>

>>>Thank you.

>>>

>>>I think we will try Nylar.

>>>

>>>Others will probably have advice about your cat. Maybe dust with food

>>>grade diatomaceius (sp.) Earth.

>>>

>>>On Dec 3, 2011 8:38 AM, "christine french" <karmakatmeow@...> wrote:

>>>

>>>**

>>>

>>>

>>>Dear ellisa

>>>Glad its better in your new place though sorry u got small infestation

>>>though much easier to deal with

>>>Good luck with complete eradication which im sure you will manage!

>>>Take it you have been through hell with this as well?

>>>Which igregulator is it advisable to use for bird mites?

>>>C

>>>

>>>

>>>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 13:32 GMT Elissa wrote:

>>>

>>>>I'm in U.S.

>>>>

>>>>We moved but still have small i...

>>>>**

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Do the igregulators in flea sprays help

>>>>Sprayed this flat with permethrin and an igregulator

>>>...

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

and ,I remember a friend coming over to my house after I had had birdmites for over a year's time. After I told her about it she said "how could you get that when you are one of the cleanest people I know?" My house isn't perfectly clean mind you, but in her experience she thought I was. So , you are right, it has nothing to do with how clean or how messy we are, none of that.From: " Keogh" <kazk1@...>bird mites Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:51:38 AMSubject: Re: moving

Hi My mum really likes the dettol - she very much notices a big reduction in crawlies after she's used it - I do too. The sulphur soap I buy from ebay - it has 10% sulphur in it, costs about £3.50 - it's not the best smelling soap in the world, but it really calms the itching down. I rub it all over me and dab with a towel so as not to rub it off or sometimes dry with a hairdryer - I forgot to mention I also use head & shoulders shampoo for my hair - that

seems to help.I have used borax in the past and that was helpful - a lot of people have had good results with borax.I really know what your going through - when we first got this infestation, I felt absolutely shocked and depressed - had never known anything like this - Did have cats in the past who picked up fleas, but they were eradicated - this is something completely different - and it is nothing to do with dirtiness - this can happen to anyone.Have a look on the net to

find out if there are natural remedies for Karma, as they will be a lot easier on her - I don't know how she would take to garlic in her food, but I've heard that can be good for repelling mites.I am moving in March, and yes hoping to move with nothing - it will be privately renting, and may well have to be a furnished property - although others here haven't thrown anything away and are getting on top of the problem.. so I will think some more about that decision.Take careKaz x From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...> bird mites Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:05 AM Subject: Re: moving

Hi kaz

Thanks

Sorry u n ur mum both going through this

Its awful

Thanks for tip re disinfectant

Will try

Were u able to get borax?

Where do u get sulphur soap?

So ur wee cat no afected?

Does frontline kill mites

Karma had reaction to that

As said previous post concerned givin her any more chemicals

She lump heart disease just since june n i distraught wi that then july mites n fleas

What a horendous time

Feel for her as she nearin the end kaz n i adore her n hate how her ears hurtin

Pretty sure it mites

N she so sick n diareah for weeks after i aprayed both pesticide

Just me n her u see

Hate that cant take evil mites away

So u plan take nothing when u move

U mean nothing?

Turn up just what u wearing

Then go buy things?

Im confused what to do

Have little money

Wol throw out most furniture

But just got nee washin machin n hoover etc no throw out

But throw out bed,chest drawers fridge sofa chairs hi fi n computer as they intricate tiny bits in them

I feel ill

Cany sleep

Head goin round n round

Good tips re wash clothes

But lying here few pinprick bites n crawling

Despair at get rid of all clothes n bedding

But csnnot go new place feel like this

N know take longtime immune system get better

I know al my socks tights shoes boots infested

Wear one pair n disinfectant helped but not enough

No point new shoes till move

Heartbrakin three new pair sheepskin boots got sales to last years

Have throw out

How will u cope moving wi nothing?

I wonder if i csn wash pladtic sheet cover n take?

Its like a horror story

Stil cant believe everyone going thru this torture really

:-(

C

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 17:32 GMT Keogh wrote:

>Hi and everyone

>

>I'm really sorry to hear you're suffering with this problem.. I, and my mum, who lives seperately, have been going through this for over a year now - we are in England.

>

>

>We have tried lots of things including pest control treatments over the months - the best thing we have found to keep their numbers down is dettol or savlon disinfectant liquid, mixed with water and sprayed on walls, carpets, furniture etc - also I put it in the washing machine and pre wash the clothes with it before the full wash cycle - thats helped a lot. There is an ingrediant called Benzalkonium Chloride in them that seems to kill the mites - Zoflora disinfectant also contains this ingrediant. Ironing with lots of steam is also very good for killing them, it makes a noticable difference.

>Sulphur soap is great too, I use it in the shower and leave it on - just dry with a towel lightly so it doesnt come off of your body

>

>

>We learned so much from this site and everybody knows exactly what everyone else is going through.

>

>I haven't posted on here for a while due being busy at work & exhausted - I have been reading all the posts though and have decided to make an appointment with the doctor to see if we can be tested for infections such as Lyme and Bartonella.. It's starting to make sense that if its not gone in all this time there may be another reason it's still here.. In us :0/

>

>I have a cat too, she's a baby still at 15 months - I use frontline on her and she seems ok with that so far.

>

>I will be moving at the beginning of march, so I am also trying to prepare for that as I don't want to take anything with me.. Just myself and the cat :0)

>

>Take care

>

>

>Kaz x

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>________________________________

> From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>

>bird mites

>Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 4:47 PM

>Subject: Re: moving

>

>

>

>Good luck with that elissa!

>I dust karma already

>Ears still afected!

>What a life!

>C

>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 16:25 GMT Elissa wrote:

>

>>Thank you.

>>

>>I think we will try Nylar.

>>

>>Others will probably have advice about your cat. Maybe dust with food

>>grade diatomaceius (sp.) Earth.

>>

>>On Dec 3, 2011 8:38 AM, "christine french" <karmakatmeow@...> wrote:

>>

>>**

>>

>>

>>Dear ellisa

>>Glad its better in your new place though sorry u got small infestation

>>though much easier to deal with

>>Good luck with complete eradication which im sure you will manage!

>>Take it you have been through hell with this as well?

>>Which igregulator is it advisable to use for bird mites?

>>C

>>

>>

>>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 13:32 GMT Elissa wrote:

>>

>>>I'm in U.S.

>>>

>>>We moved but still have small i...

>>>**

>>

>>

>>>

>>>

>>>Do the igregulators in flea sprays help

>>>Sprayed this flat with permethrin and an igregulator

>>...

>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, using Dettol for cleaning, spraying, even bathing from time to time was a big turning point for me.

Another very good remedy is using sulfur externally, but even more internally. Take max. 4000 mg of sulfur per day.

My biggest turning point was when I started taking Itraconazole, an anti-fungal treatment. I am 99 percent better after

2 1/2 years of living hell ! In my case these were the only things that really did work !

Von: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 17:50 Samstag, 3.Dezember 2011Betreff: Re: moving

Cecilia lives in Sweden and Aggi lives in Germany. They may know better what is available there as well as Kry's Mum who lives in England. I know certain chemicals here in the US are not available in stores. Possibly Nylar is available but I never tried it. I hired a company to do pest spraying and it did absolutely nothing, but now I don't know what chemicals they used. Most companies here in the US do not know what they are doing with mites. The one thing that seems successful is whole house fumigation with a giant tent, but who can afford that? Also if you live in an attached dwelling it is not possible to do. I am wondering if you could get MMS? Maybe a diluted activated spray of MMS might kill mites in your kitty's ears and on fur.

From: "christine french" <karmakatmeow@...>bird mites Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 8:40:22 AMSubject: Re: movingThanks ceciliaCan you purchase n spray itself without pest control involved?I wonder how safe it is around petsMy cat already thru the wars with permethrin spray!:-(On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 16:16 GMT Cecilia Borg wrote:>Hi!>I think Nylar is a good choice for birdmites.>KR>Cecilia>>>________________________________>From: christine french

<karmakatmeow@...>>bird mites >Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 2:38 PM>Subject: Re: moving>>> >Dear ellisa>Glad its better in your new place though sorry u got small infestation though much easier to deal with>Good luck with complete eradication which im sure you will manage!>Take it you have been through hell with this as well?>Which igregulator is it advisable to use for bird mites?>C>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 13:32 GMT Elissa wrote:>>>I'm in U.S.>>>>We moved but still have small infestation. We opened dry cleaning by>>accident from other apartment and reinfested ourselves.>>>>If you move, be really careful not to bring anything with mites.>>>>We will be using the IGR in the next week or so for the first time.

we>>don't have constant biting though.>>>>also, depending on how long you've been dealing with this, they might be>>attracted to you because of internal infections, mold, fungus, lyme,>>etc...treat those to gret rid of mites completely.>>>>On Dec 3, 2011 8:23 AM, "christine french" <karmakatmeow@...> wrote:>>>>**>>>>>>Do the igregulators in flea sprays help>>Sprayed this flat with permethrin and an igregulator>>Bit better but obviously offending nests need taken care of>>Why do folk say permethrin not succesful>>Is it because mites arachnids not insects?>>Spiders died in here with the spray,they arachnids>>Thanks>>>>>>C>>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 12:53 GMT Elissa wrote:>>>>>When you move, you have to

prevent them from...>> >>------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Thanks aggi

Going to use disinfectant vinegar n epsom salts in wash

N some disinfectant cleaning

Sulphur internally?

Need look into

Think need pest diagniosis officialy before doc prescribe

They want the proof

But everythin points to bird mites

Wonder if can get sulpur internaly in uk

Did u have to move?

I am moving

At some point ad had enough

But....

I will throw out al shoes socks tights

They are badly afected

Disinfectsnt boots help only a bit

Nylar didnt

But

Would buying a tumble drier help me salvage some clothing n bedding

And does dry cleaning kill bird mites?

Will throw out sofa bed etc

An hard goods wi intricate parts like old computer n fridge wi nooks n crannies

Washed virtualy everything in shower

Do i need to throw out ornaments n pictures on walls

Cud i not disinfect?

Thrown out so much already

N never wanted to move love it here

But too many holes in walls

Just cant bear to get rid o everything!!

Sorry u had years of hell

Did u get pest control diagnosis n did doc take seriously

Are u ok now?

Glad things helped you!

C

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 23:33 GMT Aggi Assmann wrote:

>, using Dettol for cleaning, spraying, even bathing from time to time

was a big turning point for me.

>Another very good remedy is using sulfur externally, but even more internally.

Take max. 4000 mg of sulfur per day.

>My biggest turning point was when I started taking Itraconazole, an anti-fungal

treatment. I am 99 percent better after

>2 1/2 years of living hell ! In my case these were the only things that really

did work !

>

>

>________________________________

>Von: " Goldstein@... " <Goldstein@...>

>An: bird mites

>Gesendet: 17:50 Samstag, 3.Dezember 2011

>Betreff: Re: moving

>

>

> 

>Cecilia lives in Sweden and Aggi lives in Germany.  They may know better what

is available there as well as Kry's Mum who lives in England.  I know certain

chemicals here in the US are not available in stores. Possibly Nylar is

available but I never tried it.  I hired a company to do pest spraying and it

did absolutely nothing, but now I don't know what chemicals they used.  Most

companies here in the US do not know what they are doing with mites.  The one

thing that seems successful is whole house fumigation with a giant tent, but who

can afford that?  Also if you live in an attached dwelling it is not possible to

do.  I am wondering if you could get MMS?  Maybe a diluted activated spray of

MMS might kill mites in your kitty's ears and on fur.

>

>

>

>

>________________________________

>From: " christine french " <karmakatmeow@...>

>bird mites

>Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 8:40:22 AM

>Subject: Re: moving

>

>Thanks cecilia

>Can you purchase n spray itself without pest control involved?

>I wonder how safe it is around pets

>My cat already thru the wars with permethrin spray!:-(

>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 16:16 GMT Cecilia Borg wrote:

>

>>Hi!

>>I think Nylar is a good choice for birdmites.

>>KR

>>Cecilia

>>

>>

>>________________________________

>>From: christine french <karmakatmeow@...>

>>bird mites

>>Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 2:38 PM

>>Subject: Re: moving

>>

>>

>> 

>>Dear ellisa

>>Glad its better in your new place though sorry u got small infestation though

much easier to deal with

>>Good luck with complete eradication which im sure you will manage!

>>Take it you have been through hell with this as well?

>>Which igregulator is it advisable to use for bird mites?

>>C

>>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 13:32 GMT Elissa wrote:

>>

>>>I'm in U.S.

>>>

>>>We moved but still have small infestation. We opened dry cleaning by

>>>accident from other apartment and reinfested ourselves.

>>>

>>>If you move, be really careful not to bring anything with mites.

>>>

>>>We will be using the IGR in the next week or so for the first time. we

>>>don't have constant biting though.

>>>

>>>also, depending on how long you've been dealing with this, they might be

>>>attracted to you because of internal infections, mold, fungus, lyme,

>>>etc...treat those to gret rid of mites completely.

>>>

>>>On Dec 3, 2011 8:23 AM, " christine french " <karmakatmeow@...> wrote:

>>>

>>>**

>>>

>>>

>>>Do the igregulators in flea sprays help

>>>Sprayed this flat with permethrin and an igregulator

>>>Bit better but obviously offending nests need taken care of

>>>Why do folk say permethrin not succesful

>>>Is it because mites arachnids not insects?

>>>Spiders died in here with the spray,they arachnids

>>>Thanks

>>>

>>>

>>>C

>>>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 12:53 GMT Elissa wrote:

>>>

>>>>When you move, you have to prevent them from...

>>>

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