Re: Little red dots in skin texture

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Hey , when I recall my condition several months ago, and had my little 45X hand microscope with me looking at every little thing (still do that), I DID see those little red dots "at the intersection of the diamonds you see in skin texture under a microscope. " .

I didn't see many of them so paid them no attention, they went away as my skin healed up and my immune system improved. But I always wondered what those were and if they were always there when I wasn't examining every little thing on my skin.

It's all so mysterious and for sure it 's the same for the doctors, they just won't admit to 'not knowing'. We came to them for help and they feel obliged to give some kind of diagnosis (DP) even it is has nothing to do with our condition.

Also, from everything I have learned on this forum , the result of a birdmite infestation on our bodies appear to be sooo complex, that any one of our symptoms could fit into a host of different diseases or infections.

So glad to be a part of this forum...so many knowledgeable people.

From: Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:40 AMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD

Hi, !The dots you talk about is it like small blisters, or just red or like small lesions?

KR

Cecilia

From: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:27 AMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD

All I know is what I see and what I've read and heard from people, but these are always caused as a result of bartonella. Bart almost always comes with Lyme, although I wonder if the bart can be with us alone. I just don't know, but I do know I have Lyme and Bart. If you have the red dots (I also had black dots under microscope) that is bart. Bart manifests on the skin but is in all the cells.

From: "Kajay109" <kajay109@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:03:26 PMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD

Tell me about the dots, please, ? I had them at the intersection of the diamonds you see in skin texture under a microscope.

From: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 7:46 PMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD

Sandy,

I went to a large Lyme support group last week. Almost everyone there was talking about the stretch markings and dots... those do seem to be pretty typical of Lyme Disease and Bartonella. I didn't have the lines, but I have the dots too, hundreds of them. I also heard people talking about Lyme symptoms in the eyes. This is common in more advanced Lyme Disease. (I have it too). It can cause blindness if you do not attend to it with antibiotics. My sister who lives in Oregon is having Lyme symptoms in the eyes. She has decided not to go see a lyme literate doctor - (I found 2 trained by ILADS for her to choose from), and that is her choice. But I think you are much more open minded than she. I know you have an appointment on Friday, and I pray that something really good comes of that.

From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 3:59:35 PMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD

How can you diagnose morgellons with kinesiology when they don't even know what the morgellons pathology is? At this point it's a long list of symptoms that overlap with many other infectious diseases. Those that get the Morgellons symptoms have Lyme and coinfections plus secondary/opportunistic infections. Get on Itraconazole, Doxycycline, and later treat Babesia and use other abx cocktails- natural or Rx. Treating your environment is a small piece of the puzzle.

Aandraya

On Oct 26, 2011, at 5:38 PM, sandy e <ellis.sandy1@...> wrote:

I can't post much I am hurting so much.I started using this a few days ago and have hurt ever since.I am also having things come out my skin when we use these convection propane heaters.Chiro DX as Morgellons. I don't know if I belive him with just a kinesology test and I am the first person he has seen.I have a appt with the Dr that works for Dr Kolb in Atlanta on Fri.I hurt so m uch I am not sure I can make it.I am seeing very small white things in my skin all over it was mostly where I have hair but now all over and I think these clump together and make a larger white balls. I got the same thing with epsom salt bath with added borax and sea salt.This was on Dr Kolb web site.I see these white t hings all over the house.I am thinking about putting some of this soap in the tri jet fogger.I have two and one has been dropped and only one opening works.Could this be

springtails?I can't take much more of this. I have had to get up and take a arm and hammer bath and added some permytherin.I had a brain storm and desolved some enzymes that were slightly outdated and put them on the back of my neck the worse place.It sure did make thingsk roll upo like dried skin but it was not skin.I do see more red dots I never saw in the past one reason Drs didn't think I had mites. My stomach has small lines like very small stretch markes you get when you are pregenant.Please someone let me hear I would go to the emegency room but I know what that would be.Also I have heard from one very nice person there experience at Dr Kolb's and it was not the best but said I should go.If I don't I don't know any other Dr and I hope that any morgellons dr would look at a possible mite issue and reconize it.I don't see nearly as many black specks since we started useing these

heaters.We are haiving to do one room at a time and not as hot as 170.It is killing things and also drying out the house more.We have already melted somethings and even the lights in out masterbath jumped out of the wall at 125 degrees.We just keep going back to the same rooms and can just keep doing that.Please advise on this soap and the pain and white things.Sandy

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Hi Doris,When I had my scopes I was looking at things frequently too. I have an inquisitive mind as you do and thought maybe therein were some hints as to what was behind all this... it does give some pointers, but in the end we are left with more questions that are unanswered mostly. I do believe they transmit diseases to some of us and some of us are healthy enough to fight off the parasites, bacterias or fungal they deliver. I wish I had my little scope to use, but that is one of the bad parts about using a Mac. It is hard to find certain things to work with a Mac, fewer programs available too. The good part is that so many other functions are easier than a PC.You are right about the last paragraph too. So many symptoms seem to overlap that who knows really what is going on in each of us. We are all so complex with our pre-existing genetic and disease symptoms going on... Hugs, From: "Doris Kennedy" <kean2465@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 7:19:39 AMSubject: Re: Little red dots in skin texture

Hey , when I recall my condition several months ago, and had my little 45X hand microscope with me looking at every little thing (still do that), I DID see those little red dots "at the intersection of the diamonds you see in skin texture under a microscope. " .

I didn't see many of them so paid them no attention, they went away as my skin healed up and my immune system improved. But I always wondered what those were and if they were always there when I wasn't examining every little thing on my skin.

It's all so mysterious and for sure it 's the same for the doctors, they just won't admit to 'not knowing'. We came to them for help and they feel obliged to give some kind of diagnosis (DP) even it is has nothing to do with our condition.

Also, from everything I have learned on this forum , the result of a birdmite infestation on our bodies appear to be sooo complex, that any one of our symptoms could fit into a host of different diseases or infections.

So glad to be a part of this forum...so many knowledgeable people.

From: Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:40 AMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD

Hi, !The dots you talk about is it like small blisters, or just red or like small lesions?

KR

Cecilia

From: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:27 AMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD

All I know is what I see and what I've read and heard from people, but these are always caused as a result of bartonella. Bart almost always comes with Lyme, although I wonder if the bart can be with us alone. I just don't know, but I do know I have Lyme and Bart. If you have the red dots (I also had black dots under microscope) that is bart. Bart manifests on the skin but is in all the cells.

From: "Kajay109" <kajay109@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:03:26 PMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD

Tell me about the dots, please, ? I had them at the intersection of the diamonds you see in skin texture under a microscope.

From: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 7:46 PMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD

Sandy,

I went to a large Lyme support group last week. Almost everyone there was talking about the stretch markings and dots... those do seem to be pretty typical of Lyme Disease and Bartonella. I didn't have the lines, but I have the dots too, hundreds of them. I also heard people talking about Lyme symptoms in the eyes. This is common in more advanced Lyme Disease. (I have it too). It can cause blindness if you do not attend to it with antibiotics. My sister who lives in Oregon is having Lyme symptoms in the eyes. She has decided not to go see a lyme literate doctor - (I found 2 trained by ILADS for her to choose from), and that is her choice. But I think you are much more open minded than she. I know you have an appointment on Friday, and I pray that something really good comes of that.

From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 3:59:35 PMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD

How can you diagnose morgellons with kinesiology when they don't even know what the morgellons pathology is? At this point it's a long list of symptoms that overlap with many other infectious diseases. Those that get the Morgellons symptoms have Lyme and coinfections plus secondary/opportunistic infections. Get on Itraconazole, Doxycycline, and later treat Babesia and use other abx cocktails- natural or Rx. Treating your environment is a small piece of the puzzle.

Aandraya

On Oct 26, 2011, at 5:38 PM, sandy e <ellis.sandy1@...> wrote:

I can't post much I am hurting so much.I started using this a few days ago and have hurt ever since.I am also having things come out my skin when we use these convection propane heaters.Chiro DX as Morgellons. I don't know if I belive him with just a kinesology test and I am the first person he has seen.I have a appt with the Dr that works for Dr Kolb in Atlanta on Fri.I hurt so m uch I am not sure I can make it.I am seeing very small white things in my skin all over it was mostly where I have hair but now all over and I think these clump together and make a larger white balls. I got the same thing with epsom salt bath with added borax and sea salt.This was on Dr Kolb web site.I see these white t hings all over the house.I am thinking about putting some of this soap in the tri jet fogger.I have two and one has been dropped and only one opening works.Could this be

springtails?I can't take much more of this. I have had to get up and take a arm and hammer bath and added some permytherin.I had a brain storm and desolved some enzymes that were slightly outdated and put them on the back of my neck the worse place.It sure did make thingsk roll upo like dried skin but it was not skin.I do see more red dots I never saw in the past one reason Drs didn't think I had mites. My stomach has small lines like very small stretch markes you get when you are pregenant.Please someone let me hear I would go to the emegency room but I know what that would be.Also I have heard from one very nice person there experience at Dr Kolb's and it was not the best but said I should go.If I don't I don't know any other Dr and I hope that any morgellons dr would look at a possible mite issue and reconize it.I don't see nearly as many black specks since we started useing these

heaters.We are haiving to do one room at a time and not as hot as 170.It is killing things and also drying out the house more.We have already melted somethings and even the lights in out masterbath jumped out of the wall at 125 degrees.We just keep going back to the same rooms and can just keep doing that.Please advise on this soap and the pain and white things.Sandy

[Guest guest]

When I had all the skin symptoms I had the diamond pattern too. I think it was Bartonella and mold infections.AandrayaOn Oct 27, 2011, at 9:19 AM, Doris Kennedy wrote: Hey , when I recall my condition several months ago, and had my little 45X hand microscope with me looking at every little thing (still do that), I DID see those little red dots "at the intersection of the diamonds you see in skin texture under a microscope. " . I didn't see many of them so paid them no attention, they went away as my skin healed up and my immune system improved. But I always wondered what those were and if they were always there when I wasn't examining every little thing on my skin. It's all so mysterious and for sure it 's the same for the doctors, they just won't admit to 'not knowing'. We came to them for help and they feel obliged to give some kind of diagnosis (DP) even it is has nothing to do with our condition. Also, from everything I have learned on this forum , the result of a birdmite infestation on our bodies appear to be sooo complex, that any one of our symptoms could fit into a host of different diseases or infections. So glad to be a part of this forum...so many knowledgeable people. From: Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:40 AMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD Hi, !The dots you talk about is it like small blisters, or just red or like small lesions? KR Cecilia From: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:27 AMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD All I know is what I see and what I've read and heard from people, but these are always caused as a result of bartonella. Bart almost always comes with Lyme, although I wonder if the bart can be with us alone. I just don't know, but I do know I have Lyme and Bart. If you have the red dots (I also had black dots under microscope) that is bart. Bart manifests on the skin but is in all the cells. From: "Kajay109" <kajay109@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:03:26 PMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD Tell me about the dots, please, ? I had them at the intersection of the diamonds you see in skin texture under a microscope. From: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 7:46 PMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD Sandy, I went to a large Lyme support group last week. Almost everyone there was talking about the stretch markings and dots... those do seem to be pretty typical of Lyme Disease and Bartonella. I didn't have the lines, but I have the dots too, hundreds of them. I also heard people talking about Lyme symptoms in the eyes. This is common in more advanced Lyme Disease. (I have it too). It can cause blindness if you do not attend to it with antibiotics. My sister who lives in Oregon is having Lyme symptoms in the eyes. She has decided not to go see a lyme literate doctor - (I found 2 trained by ILADS for her to choose from), and that is her choice. But I think you are much more open minded than she. I know you have an appointment on Friday, and I pray that something really good comes of that. From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 3:59:35 PMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD How can you diagnose morgellons with kinesiology when they don't even know what the morgellons pathology is? At this point it's a long list of symptoms that overlap with many other infectious diseases. Those that get the Morgellons symptoms have Lyme and coinfections plus secondary/opportunistic infections. Get on Itraconazole, Doxycycline, and later treat Babesia and use other abx cocktails- natural or Rx. Treating your environment is a small piece of the puzzle. Aandraya On Oct 26, 2011, at 5:38 PM, sandy e <ellis.sandy1@...> wrote: I can't post much I am hurting so much.I started using this a few days ago and have hurt ever since.I am also having things come out my skin when we use these convection propane heaters.Chiro DX as Morgellons. I don't know if I belive him with just a kinesology test and I am the first person he has seen.I have a appt with the Dr that works for Dr Kolb in Atlanta on Fri.I hurt so m uch I am not sure I can make it.I am seeing very small white things in my skin all over it was mostly where I have hair but now all over and I think these clump together and make a larger white balls. I got the same thing with epsom salt bath with added borax and sea salt.This was on Dr Kolb web site.I see these white t hings all over the house.I am thinking about putting some of this soap in the tri jet fogger.I have two and one has been dropped and only one opening works.Could this be springtails?I can't take much more of this. I have had to get up and take a arm and hammer bath and added some permytherin.I had a brain storm and desolved some enzymes that were slightly outdated and put them on the back of my neck the worse place.It sure did make thingsk roll upo like dried skin but it was not skin.I do see more red dots I never saw in the past one reason Drs didn't think I had mites. My stomach has small lines like very small stretch markes you get when you are pregenant.Please someone let me hear I would go to the emegency room but I know what that would be.Also I have heard from one very nice person there experience at Dr Kolb's and it was not the best but said I should go.If I don't I don't know any other Dr and I hope that any morgellons dr would look at a possible mite issue and reconize it.I don't see nearly as many black specks since we started useing these heaters.We are haiving to do one room at a time and not as hot as 170.It is killing things and also drying out the house more.We have already melted somethings and even the lights in out masterbath jumped out of the wall at 125 degrees.We just keep going back to the same rooms and can just keep doing that.Please advise on this soap and the pain and white things.Sandy

[Guest guest]

From morjella.com article: http://morjella.com/archives/824 "Grid Dots DisappearingWhen I bought my first portable microscope, I looked at my skin and noticed that through its regular texture ran lines that formed my skin into a diamond pattern. For many reasons, I have come to realize that this texture may actually be a grid of stronger fibers that serve the same purpose as the 1/4″ grid of nylon threads that run through a fabric weave developed for the jungles of Viet Nam. It was commonly known as “rip stop.†But that is not the point. The point is that my skin was a consistent color. However, as time passed and the infestation worsened, I began to develop tiny

red dots at the intersections of the grid, that is, in the shared corners of the diamonds in my skin. Within the past year, this worsened to the point that it was hard to find an intersection without a red dot."From: Doris Kennedy <kean2465@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:19 AMSubject: Re: Little red dots in skin texture

Hey , when I recall my condition several months ago, and had my little 45X hand microscope with me looking at every little thing (still do that), I DID see those little red dots "at the intersection of the diamonds you see in skin texture under a microscope. " .

I didn't see many of them so paid them no attention, they went away as my skin healed up and my immune system improved. But I always wondered what those were and if they were always there when I wasn't examining every little thing on my skin.

It's all so mysterious and for sure it 's the same for the doctors, they just won't admit to 'not knowing'. We came to them for help and they feel obliged to give some kind of diagnosis (DP) even it is has nothing to do with our condition.

Also, from everything I have learned on this forum , the result of a birdmite infestation on our bodies appear to be sooo complex, that any one of our symptoms could fit into a host of different diseases or infections.

So glad to be a part of this forum...so many knowledgeable people.

From: Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:40 AMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD

Hi, !The dots you talk about is it like small blisters, or just red or like small lesions?

KR

Cecilia

From: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:27 AMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD

All I know is what I see and what I've read and heard from people, but these are always caused as a result of bartonella. Bart almost always comes with Lyme, although I wonder if the bart can be with us alone. I just don't know, but I do know I have Lyme and Bart. If you have the red dots (I also had black dots under microscope) that is bart. Bart manifests on the skin but is in all the cells.

From: "Kajay109" <kajay109@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:03:26 PMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD

Tell me about the dots, please, ? I had them at the intersection of the diamonds you see in skin texture under a microscope.

From: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 7:46 PMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD

Sandy,

I went to a large Lyme support group last week. Almost everyone there was talking about the stretch markings and dots... those do seem to be pretty typical of Lyme Disease and Bartonella. I didn't have the lines, but I have the dots too, hundreds of them. I also heard people talking about Lyme symptoms in the eyes. This is common in more advanced Lyme Disease. (I have it too). It can cause blindness if you do not attend to it with antibiotics. My sister who lives in Oregon is having Lyme symptoms in the eyes. She has decided not to go see a lyme literate doctor - (I found 2 trained by ILADS for her to choose from), and that is her choice. But I think you are much more open minded than she. I know you have an appointment on Friday, and I pray that something really good comes of that.

From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 3:59:35 PMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD

How can you diagnose morgellons with kinesiology when they don't even know what the morgellons pathology is? At this point it's a long list of symptoms that overlap with many other infectious diseases. Those that get the Morgellons symptoms have Lyme and coinfections plus secondary/opportunistic infections. Get on Itraconazole, Doxycycline, and later treat Babesia and use other abx cocktails- natural or Rx. Treating your environment is a small piece of the puzzle.

Aandraya

On Oct 26, 2011, at 5:38 PM, sandy e <ellis.sandy1@...> wrote:

I can't post much I am hurting so much.I started using this a few days ago and have hurt ever since.I am also having things come out my skin when we use these convection propane heaters.Chiro DX as Morgellons. I don't know if I belive him with just a kinesology test and I am the first person he has seen.I have a appt with the Dr that works for Dr Kolb in Atlanta on Fri.I hurt so m uch I am not sure I can make it.I am seeing very small white things in my skin all over it was mostly where I have hair but now all over and I think these clump together and make a larger white balls. I got the same thing with epsom salt bath with added borax and sea salt.This was on Dr Kolb web site.I see these white t hings all over the house.I am thinking about putting some of this soap in the tri jet fogger.I have two and one has been dropped and only one opening works.Could this be

springtails?I can't take much more of this. I have had to get up and take a arm and hammer bath and added some permytherin.I had a brain storm and desolved some enzymes that were slightly outdated and put them on the back of my neck the worse place.It sure did make thingsk roll upo like dried skin but it was not skin.I do see more red dots I never saw in the past one reason Drs didn't think I had mites. My stomach has small lines like very small stretch markes you get when you are pregenant.Please someone let me hear I would go to the emegency room but I know what that would be.Also I have heard from one very nice person there experience at Dr Kolb's and it was not the best but said I should go.If I don't I don't know any other Dr and I hope that any morgellons dr would look at a possible mite issue and reconize it.I don't see nearly as many black specks since we started useing these

heaters.We are haiving to do one room at a time and not as hot as 170.It is killing things and also drying out the house more.We have already melted somethings and even the lights in out masterbath jumped out of the wall at 125 degrees.We just keep going back to the same rooms and can just keep doing that.Please advise on this soap and the pain and white things.Sandy

[Guest guest]

My theory at the time was that was where the matrix attached to the underside of our skin, and tht the matrix contained the biofilm, which I believed to be an organic "crop" grown by parasites to use as food. No idea how close my theory is to fact. I was calling it a grid then learned it is called a matrix by the scientific community. The chitinase apparently dissolved the matrix and the biofilm surfaced through my skin all over my body all at once (I was in the shower. 20 min between application of liquid chitinase to emergence of equi-sized beige organic NON-BITING matter all over my body. Next day the hundreds of red dots were gone from my skin. kajayFrom: Aandraya Da Silva <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 2:13 PMSubject: Re: Little red dots in skin texture

When I had all the skin symptoms I had the diamond pattern too. I think it was Bartonella and mold infections.AandrayaOn Oct 27, 2011, at 9:19 AM, Doris Kennedy wrote: Hey , when I recall my condition several months ago, and had my little 45X hand microscope with me looking at every little thing (still do that), I DID see those little red dots "at the intersection of the diamonds you see in skin texture under a microscope. " .

I didn't see many of them so paid them no attention, they went away as my skin healed up and my immune system improved. But I always wondered what those were and if they were always there when I wasn't examining every little thing on my skin. It's all so mysterious and for sure it 's the same for the doctors, they just won't admit to 'not knowing'. We came to them for help and they feel obliged to give some kind of diagnosis (DP) even it is has nothing to do with our condition. Also, from

everything I have learned on this forum , the result of a birdmite infestation on our bodies appear to be sooo complex, that any one of our symptoms could fit into a host of different diseases or infections. So glad to be a part of this forum...so many knowledgeable people. From: Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:40 AMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD Hi, !The dots you talk about is it like small blisters, or just red or like small lesions? KR Cecilia From: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:27 AMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD All I know is what I see and what I've read and heard from people, but these are always caused as a result of bartonella. Bart almost always comes with Lyme, although I wonder if the bart can be with us alone. I just don't know, but I do know I have Lyme and Bart. If you have the red

dots (I also had black dots under microscope) that is bart. Bart manifests on the skin but is in all the cells. From: "Kajay109" <kajay109@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:03:26 PMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD Tell me about the dots, please, ? I had them at the intersection of the diamonds you see in skin texture under a microscope. From: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 7:46 PMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD

Sandy, I went to a large Lyme support group last week. Almost everyone there was talking about the stretch markings and dots... those do seem to be pretty typical of Lyme Disease and Bartonella. I didn't have the lines, but I have the dots too, hundreds of them. I also heard people talking about Lyme symptoms in the eyes. This is common in more advanced Lyme Disease. (I have it too). It can cause blindness if you do not attend to it with antibiotics. My sister who lives in Oregon is having Lyme symptoms in the eyes. She has decided not to go see a lyme literate doctor - (I found 2 trained by ILADS for her to choose from), and that is her choice. But I think you are much more open minded than she. I know you have an appointment on Friday, and I pray that something really good

comes of that. From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 3:59:35 PMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD How can you diagnose morgellons with kinesiology when they don't even know what the morgellons pathology is? At this point it's a long list of symptoms that overlap with many other infectious diseases. Those that get the Morgellons symptoms have Lyme and coinfections plus secondary/opportunistic infections. Get on Itraconazole, Doxycycline, and later treat Babesia and use other abx cocktails- natural or Rx. Treating your environment is a small piece of the

puzzle. Aandraya On Oct 26, 2011, at 5:38 PM, sandy e <ellis.sandy1@...> wrote: I can't post much I am hurting so much.I started using this a few days ago and have hurt ever since.I am also having things come out my skin when we use these convection propane heaters.Chiro DX as Morgellons. I don't know if I belive him with just a kinesology test and I am the first person he has seen.I have a appt with the Dr that works for Dr Kolb in Atlanta on Fri.I hurt so m uch I am not sure I can make it.I am seeing very small white things in my skin all over it was mostly where I have hair but now all over and I think these clump together and make a larger white

balls. I got the same thing with epsom salt bath with added borax and sea salt.This was on Dr Kolb web site.I see these white t hings all over the house.I am thinking about putting some of this soap in the tri jet fogger.I have two and one has been dropped and only one opening works.Could this be springtails?I can't take much more of this. I have had to get up and take a arm and hammer bath and added some permytherin.I had a brain storm and desolved some enzymes that were slightly outdated and put them on the back of my neck the worse place.It sure did make thingsk roll upo like dried skin but it was not skin.I do see more red dots I never saw in the past one reason Drs didn't think I had mites. My stomach has small lines like very small stretch markes you get when you are pregenant.Please someone let me hear I would go to the emegency room but I know what that would be.Also I have

heard from one very nice person there experience at Dr Kolb's and it was not the best but said I should go.If I don't I don't know any other Dr and I hope that any morgellons dr would look at a possible mite issue and reconize it.I don't see nearly as many black specks since we started useing these heaters.We are haiving to do one room at a time and not as hot as 170.It is killing things and also drying out the house more.We have already melted somethings and even the lights in out masterbath jumped out of the wall at 125 degrees.We just keep going back to the same rooms and can just keep doing that.Please advise on this soap and the pain and white things.Sandy

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Doris, you are the first person to confirm that they too had the red dots at the intersection of the diamonds. More info in my previous emails...hugs,kajayFrom: Doris Kennedy <kean2465@...>"bird mites "

<bird mites >Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:19 AMSubject: Re: Little red dots in skin texture

Hey , when I recall my condition several months ago, and had my little 45X hand microscope with me looking at every little thing (still do that), I DID see those little red dots "at the intersection of the diamonds you see in skin texture under a microscope. " .

I didn't see many of them so paid them no attention, they went away as my skin healed up and my immune system improved. But I always wondered what those were and if they were always there when I wasn't examining every little thing on my skin.

It's all so mysterious and for sure it 's the same for the doctors, they just won't admit to 'not knowing'. We came to them for help and they feel obliged to give some kind of diagnosis (DP) even it is has nothing to do with our condition.

Also, from everything I have learned on this forum , the result of a birdmite infestation on our bodies appear to be sooo complex, that any one of our symptoms could fit into a host of different diseases or infections.

So glad to be a part of this forum...so many knowledgeable people.

From: Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:40 AMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD

Hi, !The dots you talk about is it like small blisters, or just red or like small lesions?

KR

Cecilia

From: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:27 AMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD

All I know is what I see and what I've read and heard from people, but these are always caused as a result of bartonella. Bart almost always comes with Lyme, although I wonder if the bart can be with us alone. I just don't know, but I do know I have Lyme and Bart. If you have the red dots (I also had black dots under microscope) that is bart. Bart manifests on the skin but is in all the cells.

From: "Kajay109" <kajay109@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:03:26 PMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD

Tell me about the dots, please, ? I had them at the intersection of the diamonds you see in skin texture under a microscope.

From: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 7:46 PMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD

Sandy,

I went to a large Lyme support group last week. Almost everyone there was talking about the stretch markings and dots... those do seem to be pretty typical of Lyme Disease and Bartonella. I didn't have the lines, but I have the dots too, hundreds of them. I also heard people talking about Lyme symptoms in the eyes. This is common in more advanced Lyme Disease. (I have it too). It can cause blindness if you do not attend to it with antibiotics. My sister who lives in Oregon is having Lyme symptoms in the eyes. She has decided not to go see a lyme literate doctor - (I found 2 trained by ILADS for her to choose from), and that is her choice. But I think you are much more open minded than she. I know you have an appointment on Friday, and I pray that something really good comes of that.

From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 3:59:35 PMSubject: Re: Miracle Mineral Soap: Hurting BAD

How can you diagnose morgellons with kinesiology when they don't even know what the morgellons pathology is? At this point it's a long list of symptoms that overlap with many other infectious diseases. Those that get the Morgellons symptoms have Lyme and coinfections plus secondary/opportunistic infections. Get on Itraconazole, Doxycycline, and later treat Babesia and use other abx cocktails- natural or Rx. Treating your environment is a small piece of the puzzle.

Aandraya

On Oct 26, 2011, at 5:38 PM, sandy e <ellis.sandy1@...> wrote:

I can't post much I am hurting so much.I started using this a few days ago and have hurt ever since.I am also having things come out my skin when we use these convection propane heaters.Chiro DX as Morgellons. I don't know if I belive him with just a kinesology test and I am the first person he has seen.I have a appt with the Dr that works for Dr Kolb in Atlanta on Fri.I hurt so m uch I am not sure I can make it.I am seeing very small white things in my skin all over it was mostly where I have hair but now all over and I think these clump together and make a larger white balls. I got the same thing with epsom salt bath with added borax and sea salt.This was on Dr Kolb web site.I see these white t hings all over the house.I am thinking about putting some of this soap in the tri jet fogger.I have two and one has been dropped and only one opening works.Could this be

springtails?I can't take much more of this. I have had to get up and take a arm and hammer bath and added some permytherin.I had a brain storm and desolved some enzymes that were slightly outdated and put them on the back of my neck the worse place.It sure did make thingsk roll upo like dried skin but it was not skin.I do see more red dots I never saw in the past one reason Drs didn't think I had mites. My stomach has small lines like very small stretch markes you get when you are pregenant.Please someone let me hear I would go to the emegency room but I know what that would be.Also I have heard from one very nice person there experience at Dr Kolb's and it was not the best but said I should go.If I don't I don't know any other Dr and I hope that any morgellons dr would look at a possible mite issue and reconize it.I don't see nearly as many black specks since we started useing these

heaters.We are haiving to do one room at a time and not as hot as 170.It is killing things and also drying out the house more.We have already melted somethings and even the lights in out masterbath jumped out of the wall at 125 degrees.We just keep going back to the same rooms and can just keep doing that.Please advise on this soap and the pain and white things.Sandy