Re: Just a quick vent

September 2, 2011

We were forever pulling ticks off the animals the first spring we were in Indiana (2006).....we didn't know anything about Lyme let alone think the dogs would have it. We didn't know about dogs & Lyme until it was too late, so the poor dogs paid for my ignorance. We didn't know Frontline would keep them away & we'd never heard of the Lyme vaccine.

On 2 September 2011 14:39, goldstein <Goldstein@...> wrote:

Thanks Krys. That is very very interesting!Wonder how your dogs had Lyme? Sent from my iPodOn Sep 2, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...> wrote:

Really I don't know much about Lyme, just that my dogs got it when we first moved over from UK & before we knew it was a real danger. I just did a search & , it seems, cats do get Lyme ......I also did another search & it seems birds get infected too.

Here is an abstract.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1069015/

If mosquitoes have been shown to carry Lyme, it is not altogether illogical to wonder whether bird mites could also carry Lyme if they have sucked blood from an infected bird. I guess that until such time as someone decides to explore the notion we probably shan't really know with any degree of certainty.

On 2 September 2011 13:21, goldstein <Goldstein@...> wrote:

Okay this helps me understand. Do you think cats could get Lyme?Maybe testing is so poor the docs can't detect it.Sent from my iPod

On Sep 1, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...> wrote:

Hi ,The way I read it, mites not being known to carry Lyme, does not mean they don't or can't just that they have not been scientifically demonstrated to carry Lyme. Like it has been demonstrated, in at least one paper, that Mosquitoes could carry Lyme. Presumably there have not been any studies to investigate whether mites carry Lyme. Do birds get Lyme from the ticks & /or does it affect them? Our vet said she'd never known a cat to get Lyme, yet I've seen ticks on cats.

RegardsKrysOn 1 September 2011 15:56, <Goldstein@...> wrote:

Hi Aandraya,Just wondering where you got this information... I could be wrong about that too, but do you know of any literature that backs that statement up? It would be important to me, although I do believe I had pre-existing Lyme disease, I've felt for the last few years that I was re-infected and that can happen, often with the re-infecting giving an additional type of Lyme and co-infections. So many of the symptoms I had did not happen with the first infection from Lyme, only after the infestation of mites. If you know of any literature I'd sure like to read it.

From: " Aandraya " <aandraya@...>

bird mites

Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:44:17 AMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

I don't think mites are known to carry Lyme. It seems to be the case that we have Lyme for many years before becoming symptomatic, then all the secondary infections- fungal,viral, protozoal- set in and then the insect infestations result.

AandrayaOn Sep 1, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Goldstein@... wrote:

My mom passed away when I was 17, many years ago. My sister may have gotten Lyme disease from the mites here at my house, but she was in complete denial about it later on and she had her mind on other things... she tended to minimize things. She got lung cancer several years later. Her husband also got lung cancer around the same time and he died 6 weeks after she did of the same cancer. He died in March 15, 2011 and she died the January, 2011. I don't think the lung cancer in either of them had to do with the mites. They were smokers.

From: " Aandraya Da Silva " <aandraya@...>

bird mites

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:22:28 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

-The pin-pricking sensation is a common symptom of Lyme. Maybe she had it too, Lyme can lead to cancer. Has your mom ever been symptomatic? I know so many women who have passed it congenitally to all their children. So far my daughter doesn't have symptoms, I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

AandrayaOn Aug 31, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

My sister who passed away this last January told me the same thing, that some parasites are beneficial... etc. She came to visit and stayed here during our initial infestation. She called me one day saying that

she was getting pin pricking sensations. She started spraying her house with Windex and vacuuming everywhere (she lived in Nebraska). She was diagnosed later with lung cancer which was unrelated to the pin pricking sensation, which I had had earlier too. She had chemo for the cancer and the pin pricking went away. To this day I don't know if she had picked something up from being here. But she was absolutely sure it was all in her mind later.

From: " Benton " <sarahbenton48@...>

bird mites

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:58:42 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

Hi Zen, My younger sister told me after she got this for only 3 weeks, she could understand my suicide comments made at one time. She said no one in their wildest imagination could guess what was going on. I talked to my older sister the other night, and she told me I was hard to believe because I had had an allergy to milk products and alapecia before. I pointed out that those were real conditions and shouldn't have anything to do with getting a new illness. And thus it continues. Those that haven't experienced this want to make it fictional and defend their responses to it. But just think, if they believed, then they would have to live in fear of getting it. I guess the psychi is happier denying than accepting such a condition. I understand that. But being told one is looney and yelling

at them and telling them they'd get well by applying mind over matter does not soothe the added hurt inflicted. My dad lectured me on cleaning too much at one time also. He said I was destroying the natural environmental balance in my apartment and that some bugs were normal and good.

Love and light,

From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>

Subject: Just a quick ventbird mites

Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my

husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and " nesting/cleaning " our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said " cleaning/nesting " ). She says to me " honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist. " OK - I wouldn't consider my " cleaning " compulsive. Gosh, don't " normal " folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent.

Anyhow, it just made me realize

that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.

zen

--

I keep six honest serving-men

(They taught me all I knew);

Their names are What and Why and When

And How and Where and Who.

Rudyard Kipling

--

I keep six honest serving-men

(They taught me all I knew);

Their names are What and Why and When

And How and Where and Who.

Rudyard Kipling

--

I keep six honest serving-men

(They taught me all I knew);

Their names are What and Why and When

And How and Where and Who.

Rudyard Kipling

September 3, 2011

I do know that most cats are silent carriers of Bartonella, and many of us have that infection. Dr. Klinghardt highly recommends that his patients not have pets, especially cats.AandrayaOn Sep 2, 2011, at 1:21 PM, goldstein wrote: Okay this helps me understand. Do you think cats could get Lyme?Maybe testing is so poor the docs can't detect it.Sent from my iPodOn Sep 1, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...> wrote: Hi ,The way I read it, mites not being known to carry Lyme, does not mean they don't or can't just that they have not been scientifically demonstrated to carry Lyme. Like it has been demonstrated, in at least one paper, that Mosquitoes could carry Lyme. Presumably there have not been any studies to investigate whether mites carry Lyme. Do birds get Lyme from the ticks & /or does it affect them? Our vet said she'd never known a cat to get Lyme, yet I've seen ticks on cats. RegardsKrysOn 1 September 2011 15:56, <Goldstein@...> wrote: Hi Aandraya,Just wondering where you got this information... I could be wrong about that too, but do you know of any literature that backs that statement up? It would be important to me, although I do believe I had pre-existing Lyme disease, I've felt for the last few years that I was re-infected and that can happen, often with the re-infecting giving an additional type of Lyme and co-infections. So many of the symptoms I had did not happen with the first infection from Lyme, only after the infestation of mites. If you know of any literature I'd sure like to read it. From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:44:17 AMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent I don't think mites are known to carry Lyme. It seems to be the case that we have Lyme for many years before becoming symptomatic, then all the secondary infections- fungal,viral, protozoal- set in and then the insect infestations result. AandrayaOn Sep 1, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Goldstein@... wrote: My mom passed away when I was 17, many years ago. My sister may have gotten Lyme disease from the mites here at my house, but she was in complete denial about it later on and she had her mind on other things... she tended to minimize things. She got lung cancer several years later. Her husband also got lung cancer around the same time and he died 6 weeks after she did of the same cancer. He died in March 15, 2011 and she died the January, 2011. I don't think the lung cancer in either of them had to do with the mites. They were smokers. From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:22:28 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent -The pin-pricking sensation is a common symptom of Lyme. Maybe she had it too, Lyme can lead to cancer. Has your mom ever been symptomatic? I know so many women who have passed it congenitally to all their children. So far my daughter doesn't have symptoms, I'm keeping my fingers crossed! AandrayaOn Aug 31, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Goldstein@... wrote: My sister who passed away this last January told me the same thing, that some parasites are beneficial... etc. She came to visit and stayed here during our initial infestation. She called me one day saying that she was getting pin pricking sensations. She started spraying her house with Windex and vacuuming everywhere (she lived in Nebraska). She was diagnosed later with lung cancer which was unrelated to the pin pricking sensation, which I had had earlier too. She had chemo for the cancer and the pin pricking went away. To this day I don't know if she had picked something up from being here. But she was absolutely sure it was all in her mind later. From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:58:42 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent Hi Zen, My younger sister told me after she got this for only 3 weeks, she could understand my suicide comments made at one time. She said no one in their wildest imagination could guess what was going on. I talked to my older sister the other night, and she told me I was hard to believe because I had had an allergy to milk products and alapecia before. I pointed out that those were real conditions and shouldn't have anything to do with getting a new illness. And thus it continues. Those that haven't experienced this want to make it fictional and defend their responses to it. But just think, if they believed, then they would have to live in fear of getting it. I guess the psychi is happier denying than accepting such a condition. I understand that. But being told one is looney and yelling at them and telling them they'd get well by applying mind over matter does not soothe the added hurt inflicted. My dad lectured me on cleaning too much at one time also. He said I was destroying the natural environmental balance in my apartment and that some bugs were normal and good. Love and light, From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>Subject: Just a quick ventbird mites Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys. zen -- I keep six honest serving-men (They taught me all I knew); Their names are What and Why and When And How and Where and Who. Rudyard Kipling

September 3, 2011

Lots of animals carry the Lyme bacteria, but not all are made ill from it. Dogs and horses seem to be highly effected by it.On Sep 2, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Krys Brennand wrote: Really I don't know much about Lyme, just that my dogs got it when we first moved over from UK & before we knew it was a real danger. I just did a search & , it seems, cats do get Lyme ......I also did another search & it seems birds get infected too. Here is an abstract.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1069015/If mosquitoes have been shown to carry Lyme, it is not altogether illogical to wonder whether bird mites could also carry Lyme if they have sucked blood from an infected bird. I guess that until such time as someone decides to explore the notion we probably shan't really know with any degree of certainty. On 2 September 2011 13:21, goldstein <Goldstein@...> wrote: Okay this helps me understand. Do you think cats could get Lyme?Maybe testing is so poor the docs can't detect it.Sent from my iPod On Sep 1, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...> wrote: Hi ,The way I read it, mites not being known to carry Lyme, does not mean they don't or can't just that they have not been scientifically demonstrated to carry Lyme. Like it has been demonstrated, in at least one paper, that Mosquitoes could carry Lyme. Presumably there have not been any studies to investigate whether mites carry Lyme. Do birds get Lyme from the ticks & /or does it affect them? Our vet said she'd never known a cat to get Lyme, yet I've seen ticks on cats. RegardsKrysOn 1 September 2011 15:56, <Goldstein@...> wrote: Hi Aandraya,Just wondering where you got this information... I could be wrong about that too, but do you know of any literature that backs that statement up? It would be important to me, although I do believe I had pre-existing Lyme disease, I've felt for the last few years that I was re-infected and that can happen, often with the re-infecting giving an additional type of Lyme and co-infections. So many of the symptoms I had did not happen with the first infection from Lyme, only after the infestation of mites. If you know of any literature I'd sure like to read it. From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:44:17 AMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent I don't think mites are known to carry Lyme. It seems to be the case that we have Lyme for many years before becoming symptomatic, then all the secondary infections- fungal,viral, protozoal- set in and then the insect infestations result. AandrayaOn Sep 1, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Goldstein@... wrote: My mom passed away when I was 17, many years ago. My sister may have gotten Lyme disease from the mites here at my house, but she was in complete denial about it later on and she had her mind on other things... she tended to minimize things. She got lung cancer several years later. Her husband also got lung cancer around the same time and he died 6 weeks after she did of the same cancer. He died in March 15, 2011 and she died the January, 2011. I don't think the lung cancer in either of them had to do with the mites. They were smokers. From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:22:28 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent -The pin-pricking sensation is a common symptom of Lyme. Maybe she had it too, Lyme can lead to cancer. Has your mom ever been symptomatic? I know so many women who have passed it congenitally to all their children. So far my daughter doesn't have symptoms, I'm keeping my fingers crossed! AandrayaOn Aug 31, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Goldstein@... wrote: My sister who passed away this last January told me the same thing, that some parasites are beneficial... etc. She came to visit and stayed here during our initial infestation. She called me one day saying that she was getting pin pricking sensations. She started spraying her house with Windex and vacuuming everywhere (she lived in Nebraska). She was diagnosed later with lung cancer which was unrelated to the pin pricking sensation, which I had had earlier too. She had chemo for the cancer and the pin pricking went away. To this day I don't know if she had picked something up from being here. But she was absolutely sure it was all in her mind later. From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...> bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:58:42 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent Hi Zen, My younger sister told me after she got this for only 3 weeks, she could understand my suicide comments made at one time. She said no one in their wildest imagination could guess what was going on. I talked to my older sister the other night, and she told me I was hard to believe because I had had an allergy to milk products and alapecia before. I pointed out that those were real conditions and shouldn't have anything to do with getting a new illness. And thus it continues. Those that haven't experienced this want to make it fictional and defend their responses to it. But just think, if they believed, then they would have to live in fear of getting it. I guess the psychi is happier denying than accepting such a condition. I understand that. But being told one is looney and yelling at them and telling them they'd get well by applying mind over matter does not soothe the added hurt inflicted. My dad lectured me on cleaning too much at one time also. He said I was destroying the natural environmental balance in my apartment and that some bugs were normal and good. Love and light, From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>Subject: Just a quick ventbird mites Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys. zen -- I keep six honest serving-men (They taught me all I knew); Their names are What and Why and When And How and Where and Who. Rudyard Kipling -- I keep six honest serving-men (They taught me all I knew); Their names are What and Why and When And How and Where and Who. Rudyard Kipling

September 3, 2011

Yes, you can have the Lyme infections and be asymptomatic. If your immune system is highly functioning it will keep the infection in check. If this is the case you can become symptomatic which usually happens when there is a physical or emotional trauma, something that knocks down the immune system- for example a mold infestation.AandrayaOn Sep 2, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Aggi wrote: Not sure about that. Always been perfectly healthy, sportive all my life. Just had a little skin fungus at the time when the mites infested me. Even now I feel perfectly healthy AGAIN. Is it possible that I still carry Lyme, although having no symptoms at all ? This all reminds me of the chicken and egg story. What was first :-) > > > > From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...> > > Subject: Just a quick vent > > bird mites > > Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM > > > > > > Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and > > nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have > > been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family > > in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I > > miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have > > lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told > > her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our > > new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed > > our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my > > cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me > > "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean > > then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I > > wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" > > folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? > > People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to > > explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode > > anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get > > complacent. > > > > Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've > > been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just > > made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all. > > > > Thanks for listening guys. > > > > zen > > > > > > > > >

September 3, 2011

I had to give my cat of 9 years up too. She was getting bitten, and very distressed, so I took her to the vet and they dipped her in lime sulfur -- my mother has her in a big shed with another of their cats, where my stepfather cares for her. I have not seen her since June b/c I'm afraid I'll reinfect her.

On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Aandraya Da Silva <aandraya@...> wrote:

I do know that most cats are silent carriers of Bartonella, and many of us have that infection. Dr. Klinghardt highly recommends that his patients not have pets, especially cats.

Aandraya

On Sep 2, 2011, at 1:21 PM, goldstein wrote:

Okay this helps me understand. Do you think cats could get Lyme?

Maybe testing is so poor the docs can't detect it.Sent from my iPod

On Sep 1, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...> wrote:

Hi ,

The way I read it, mites not being known to carry Lyme, does not mean they don't or can't just that they have not been scientifically demonstrated to carry Lyme. Like it has been demonstrated, in at least one paper, that Mosquitoes could carry Lyme. Presumably there have not been any studies to investigate whether mites carry Lyme. Do birds get Lyme from the ticks & /or does it affect them? Our vet said she'd never known a cat to get Lyme, yet I've seen ticks on cats.

Regards

Krys

On 1 September 2011 15:56, <Goldstein@...> wrote:

Hi Aandraya,

Just wondering where you got this information... I could be wrong about that too, but do you know of any literature that backs that statement up? It would be important to me, although I do believe I had pre-existing Lyme disease, I've felt for the last few years that I was re-infected and that can happen, often with the re-infecting giving an additional type of Lyme and co-infections. So many of the symptoms I had did not happen with the first infection from Lyme, only after the infestation of mites. If you know of any literature I'd sure like to read it.

From: " Aandraya " <aandraya@...>bird mites

Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:44:17 AM

Subject: Re: Just a quick vent

I don't think mites are known to carry Lyme. It seems to be the case that we have Lyme for many years before becoming symptomatic, then all the secondary infections- fungal,viral, protozoal- set in and then the insect infestations result.

Aandraya

On Sep 1, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Goldstein@... wrote:

My mom passed away when I was 17, many years ago. My sister may have gotten Lyme disease from the mites here at my house, but she was in complete denial about it later on and she had her mind on other things... she tended to minimize things. She got lung cancer several years later. Her husband also got lung cancer around the same time and he died 6 weeks after she did of the same cancer. He died in March 15, 2011 and she died the January, 2011. I don't think the lung cancer in either of them had to do with the mites. They were smokers.

From: " Aandraya Da Silva " <aandraya@...>bird mites

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:22:28 PM Subject: Re: Just a quick vent

-

The pin-pricking sensation is a common symptom of Lyme. Maybe she had it too, Lyme can lead to cancer. Has your mom ever been symptomatic? I know so many women who have passed it congenitally to all their children. So far my daughter doesn't have symptoms, I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

Aandraya

On Aug 31, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

My sister who passed away this last January told me the same thing, that some parasites are beneficial... etc. She came to visit and stayed here during our initial infestation. She called me one day saying that she was getting pin pricking sensations. She started spraying her house with Windex and vacuuming everywhere (she lived in Nebraska). She was diagnosed later with lung cancer which was unrelated to the pin pricking sensation, which I had had earlier too. She had chemo for the cancer and the pin pricking went away. To this day I don't know if she had picked something up from being here. But she was absolutely sure it was all in her mind later.

From: " Benton " <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:58:42 PM Subject: Re: Just a quick vent

Hi Zen,

My younger sister told me after she got this for only 3 weeks, she could understand my suicide comments made at one time. She said no one in their wildest imagination could guess what was going on. I talked to my older sister the other night, and she told me I was hard to believe because I had had an allergy to milk products and alapecia before. I pointed out that those were real conditions and shouldn't have anything to do with getting a new illness. And thus it continues. Those that haven't experienced this want to make it fictional and defend their responses to it. But just think, if they believed, then they would have to live in fear of getting it. I guess the psychi is happier denying than accepting such a condition. I understand that. But being told one is looney and yelling at them and telling them they'd get well by applying mind over matter does not soothe the added hurt inflicted. My dad lectured me on cleaning too much at one time also. He said I was destroying the natural environmental balance in my apartment and that some bugs were normal and good.

Love and light,

From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>

Subject: Just a quick ventbird mites

Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM

Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and " nesting/cleaning " our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said " cleaning/nesting " ). She says to me " honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist. " OK - I wouldn't consider my " cleaning " compulsive. Gosh, don't " normal " folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent.

Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.

Thanks for listening guys.zen

-- I keep six honest serving-men (They taught me all I knew);Their names are What and Why and When And How and Where and Who.

Rudyard Kipling

September 4, 2011

Aandraya!The staph infection is on the skin, so she has small blisters of staph. BUT they are not big and heal quite quickly after the bleech baths. No other symptoms- she is feeling well.CFrom: Aandraya Da Silva <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 7:18 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick

vent

Cecilia-Does she have lesions or any other skin symptoms?On Sep 2, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Cecilia Borg wrote: Hi, Aandraya!Thanks for your mail. It is mostly my 8 year old daughter who has the staph on her skin. She has no other symptoms of Lyme or Morgellons, do you still think it could relate to that? THanks for caring.CeciliaFrom: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 5:14 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent Cecilia-The staph infections on the skin are common with Morgellon's type

syndrome. 90% of those with the Morgellons' symptoms have Lyme and coinfections-Babesia and Bartonella, I think it's probably more like 100% due to unreliable testing. The skin stuff clears up when you treat the Lyme and other chronic infections.Aandraya On Sep 1, 2011, at 8:47 AM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote: Hi Zen!I can really understand your feelings about this. My mind is still focused on getting rid of all feelings from the birdmite-infestation and most of all the awful treatment (and none treatment)

from doctors. Having close ones that donÂ´t believe you or donÂ´t understand is hard, but I guess if youÂ´re not in this hell you just canÂ´t imagine. Keep having faith in yourself and you are doing such good job getting better. Hugs Cecilia From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:57 PMSubject: Just a quick vent Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my

cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.zen

September 5, 2011

I've been following your reports Cecelia. It all sounds very good. I am so glad for you and your family.

Love and light,

Hi Zen!I can really understand your feelings about this. My mind is still focused on getting rid of all feelings from the birdmite-infestation and most of all the awful treatment (and none treatment) from doctors. Having close ones that donÂ´t believe you or donÂ´t understand is hard, but I guess if youÂ´re not in this hell you just canÂ´t imagine. Keep having faith in yourself and you are doing such good job getting better.

Hugs

Cecilia

From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:57 PMSubject: Just a quick vent

Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I

didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.zen

September 6, 2011

THanks, !I feels like weÂ´re on the right way. How are you doing now? It also seems like youÂ´re so much better and you have really put in all efforts one could imagine:)HugsCeciliaFrom: Benton <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 4:58 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick

vent

I've been following your reports Cecelia. It all sounds very good. I am so glad for you and your family.

Love and light,

Hi Zen!I can really understand your feelings about this. My mind is still focused on getting rid of all feelings from the birdmite-infestation and most of all the awful treatment (and none treatment) from doctors. Having close ones that donÂ´t believe you or donÂ´t understand is hard, but I guess if youÂ´re not in this hell you just canÂ´t imagine. Keep having faith in yourself and you are doing such good job getting better.

Hugs

Cecilia

From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:57 PMSubject: Just a quick vent

Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I

didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.zen

September 6, 2011

Me too Cecilia, you have done the right thing for sure. If I was a single, I

would have done the same, but my boyfriend would never agree to that since we

did it once when moving to the States.

>

> Â

>

> Hi Zen!

> I can really understand your feelings about this. My mind is still focused on

getting rid of all feelings from the birdmite-infestation and most of all the

awful treatment (and none treatment) from doctors. Having close ones that donÂ´t

believe you or donÂ´t understand is hard, but I guess if youÂ´re not in this

hell you just canÂ´t imagine. Keep having faith in yourself and you are doing

such good job getting better.

> Hugs

> Cecilia

>

> From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>

> bird mites

> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:57 PM

> Subject: Just a quick vent

>

> Â

>

> Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else

but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5

days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been

totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow,

yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I

told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and " nesting/cleaning " our new

home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window

treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just

said " cleaning/nesting " ). She says to me " honey, if you are still feeling like

you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a

therapist. " OK - I wouldn't consider my " cleaning " compulsive. Gosh, don't

" normal " folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home?????

People just don't get it and I

> didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we

aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far

to get complacent.

>

> Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what

we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she

actually thinks this happened at all.

>

> Thanks for listening guys.

>

> zen

>

September 6, 2011

Cecilia-Staph infections would indicate a deeper chronic infection, and her immune system may be keeping it in check. Did they do a biopsy and find staff?AandrayaOn Sep 4, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Cecilia Borg wrote: Aandraya!The staph infection is on the skin, so she has small blisters of staph. BUT they are not big and heal quite quickly after the bleech baths. No other symptoms- she is feeling well.CFrom: Aandraya Da Silva <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 7:18 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent Cecilia-Does she have lesions or any other skin symptoms?On Sep 2, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Cecilia Borg wrote: Hi, Aandraya!Thanks for your mail. It is mostly my 8 year old daughter who has the staph on her skin. She has no other symptoms of Lyme or Morgellons, do you still think it could relate to that? THanks for caring.CeciliaFrom: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 5:14 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent Cecilia-The staph infections on the skin are common with Morgellon's type syndrome. 90% of those with the Morgellons' symptoms have Lyme and coinfections-Babesia and Bartonella, I think it's probably more like 100% due to unreliable testing. The skin stuff clears up when you treat the Lyme and other chronic infections.Aandraya On Sep 1, 2011, at 8:47 AM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote: Hi Zen!I can really understand your feelings about this. My mind is still focused on getting rid of all feelings from the birdmite-infestation and most of all the awful treatment (and none treatment) from doctors. Having close ones that don´t believe you or don´t understand is hard, but I guess if you´re not in this hell you just can´t imagine. Keep having faith in yourself and you are doing such good job getting better. Hugs Cecilia From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:57 PMSubject: Just a quick vent Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.zen

September 6, 2011

I'm really close to %100. Can't wait!

Love and light,

Hi Zen!I can really understand your feelings about this. My mind is still focused on getting rid of all feelings from the birdmite-infestation and most of all the awful treatment (and none treatment) from doctors. Having close ones that donÂ´t believe you or donÂ´t understand is hard, but I guess if youÂ´re not in this hell you just canÂ´t imagine. Keep having faith in yourself and you are doing such good job getting better.

Hugs

Cecilia

From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:57 PMSubject: Just a quick vent

Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I

didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.zen

September 6, 2011

Hi

Would you tell me what you use d inthe car to beat the predator ?

Thanks,

Bill

ps Eternal life :

110:1 (A

Psalm of .) The LORD said unto my Lord,

Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst

of thine enemies. 3 Thy people [shall be] willing in the day of thy power, in

the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy

youth

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(Mat 27:40

50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51

And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the

bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the graves were

opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the

graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto

many. 54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus,

saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly,

saying, Truly this was the Son of God. 55 And many women were there beholding

afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee,

Psalm 68:18

18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast

received gifts for men; yea, [for] the rebellious also, that the LORD God might

dwell [among them]. 19 Blessed [be] the Lord, [who] daily loadeth us [with

benefits, even] the God of our salvation. Selah.

On Tue Sep 6th, 2011 6:19 PM EDT Benton wrote:

>I'm really close to %100. Can't wait!

>Love and light,

>

>Hi Zen!

>I can really understand your feelings about this. My mind is still focused on

getting rid of all feelings from the birdmite-infestation and most of all the

awful treatment (and none treatment) from doctors. Having close ones that don´t

believe you or don´t understand is hard, but I guess if you´re not in this hell

you just can´t imagine. Keep having faith in yourself and you are doing such

good job getting better.

>Hugs

>Cecilia

>

>From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>

>bird mites

>Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:57 PM

>Subject: Just a quick vent

>

>Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else