Re: Just a quick vent

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i am very thankful at times that it's only been me, but just one day of anguish

for someone to realize what we are going through. my boyfriend came over the

other night and had the nerve to complain about putting his clothes in a bag. i

said are kidding me? take a look at what i have to do ever single day and night.

it's like i have a disease and scared to contaminate anything and anybody. he

apologized. my mother has been very supportive, she feels them on her but no

bites. people just don't understand. they will one day when it's an epidemic.

it's hard not to be compulsive when cleaning or i won't do it. i wasn't going to

vacuum last night, but even if i kill a few, that is quite a few less looking

for a feast. i pay the price when i do not do what is suggested. have a great

day!!!!!!!

>

> Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else

but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5

days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been

totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time.

Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up

to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and " nesting/cleaning " our

new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window

treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just

said " cleaning/nesting " ). She says to me " honey, if you are still feeling like

you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a

therapist. " OK - I wouldn't consider my " cleaning " compulsive. Gosh, don't

" normal " folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home?????

People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the

situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we

are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent.

>

> Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what

we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if

she actually thinks this happened at all.

>

> Thanks for listening guys.

>

> zen

>

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Yes Zen, I can relate big time. Friends and family form an opinion of what is happening and somehow can't let go of the fact that it seems like we have developed an obsession to them, but that is far from the truth. They do not get it and would not understand unless they got it too and, of course, we don't want that to happen to them. When we first got this we were going to house sit my brother's cat Phoebe in our house for a few weeks. I called them a few days before they brought Phoebe to us to tell them what was going on... of course they didn't want Phoebe in our house considering what we were going through and I just pictured Phoebe picking up these mites and spreading them to their house, which could have happened. But as time goes by these same relatives have a harder time understanding what is still happening now... ongoing problems years later. Somehow they can't conceive of how long and hard this can be. P.S. I still get into little tiffs like that with my daughter too, so there are things I just don't say. I've learned to keep my mouth shut and not offer up opinions that might cause her pain.From: "southernbugmom" <zenmorgie@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 5:57:36 AMSubject: Just a quick vent

Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent.

Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.

Thanks for listening guys.

zen

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People that haven't experienced this just don't get it, there's no way they ever could.AandrayaOn Aug 31, 2011, at 7:57 AM, southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...> wrote:

Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their

home????? People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent.

Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.

Thanks for listening guys.

zen

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Hi Zen,

My younger sister told me after she got this for only 3 weeks, she could understand my suicide comments made at one time. She said no one in their wildest imagination could guess what was going on. I talked to my older sister the other night, and she told me I was hard to believe because I had had an allergy to milk products and alapecia before. I pointed out that those were real conditions and shouldn't have anything to do with getting a new illness. And thus it continues. Those that haven't experienced this want to make it fictional and defend their responses to it. But just think, if they believed, then they would have to live in fear of getting it. I guess the psychi is happier denying than accepting such a condition. I understand that. But being told one is looney and yelling at them and telling them they'd get well by applying mind over

matter does not soothe the added hurt inflicted. My dad lectured me on cleaning too much at one time also. He said I was destroying the natural environmental balance in my apartment and that some bugs were normal and good.

Love and light,

From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>Subject: Just a quick ventbird mites Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM

Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I

didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.zen

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My sister who passed away this last January told me the same thing, that some parasites are beneficial... etc. She came to visit and stayed here during our initial infestation. She called me one day saying that she was getting pin pricking sensations. She started spraying her house with Windex and vacuuming everywhere (she lived in Nebraska). She was diagnosed later with lung cancer which was unrelated to the pin pricking sensation, which I had had earlier too. She had chemo for the cancer and the pin pricking went away. To this day I don't know if she had picked something up from being here. But she was absolutely sure it was all in her mind later. From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:58:42 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

Hi Zen,

My younger sister told me after she got this for only 3 weeks, she could understand my suicide comments made at one time. She said no one in their wildest imagination could guess what was going on. I talked to my older sister the other night, and she told me I was hard to believe because I had had an allergy to milk products and alapecia before. I pointed out that those were real conditions and shouldn't have anything to do with getting a new illness. And thus it continues. Those that haven't experienced this want to make it fictional and defend their responses to it. But just think, if they believed, then they would have to live in fear of getting it. I guess the psychi is happier denying than accepting such a condition. I understand that. But being told one is looney and yelling at them and telling them they'd get well by applying mind over

matter does not soothe the added hurt inflicted. My dad lectured me on cleaning too much at one time also. He said I was destroying the natural environmental balance in my apartment and that some bugs were normal and good.

Love and light,

From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>Subject: Just a quick ventbird mites Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM

Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I

didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.zen

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My parents convinced the emergency room doctor to admit me to the psychiatric ward because I was complaining about bugs on me and she thought I was self inflicting the lesions. Ridiculous!!AandrayaOn Aug 31, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Benton wrote: Hi Zen, My younger sister told me after she got this for only 3 weeks, she could understand my suicide comments made at one time. She said no one in their wildest imagination could guess what was going on. I talked to my older sister the other night, and she told me I was hard to believe because I had had an allergy to milk products and alapecia before. I pointed out that those were real conditions and shouldn't have anything to do with getting a new illness. And thus it continues. Those that haven't experienced this want to make it fictional and defend their responses to it. But just think, if they believed, then they would have to live in fear of getting it. I guess the psychi is happier denying than accepting such a condition. I understand that. But being told one is looney and yelling at them and telling them they'd get well by applying mind over matter does not soothe the added hurt inflicted. My dad lectured me on cleaning too much at one time also. He said I was destroying the natural environmental balance in my apartment and that some bugs were normal and good. Love and light, From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>Subject: Just a quick ventbird mites Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.zen

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-The pin-pricking sensation is a common symptom of Lyme. Maybe she had it too, Lyme can lead to cancer. Has your mom ever been symptomatic? I know so many women who have passed it congenitally to all their children. So far my daughter doesn't have symptoms, I'm keeping my fingers crossed!AandrayaOn Aug 31, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Goldstein@... wrote: My sister who passed away this last January told me the same thing, that some parasites are beneficial... etc. She came to visit and stayed here during our initial infestation. She called me one day saying that she was getting pin pricking sensations. She started spraying her house with Windex and vacuuming everywhere (she lived in Nebraska). She was diagnosed later with lung cancer which was unrelated to the pin pricking sensation, which I had had earlier too. She had chemo for the cancer and the pin pricking went away. To this day I don't know if she had picked something up from being here. But she was absolutely sure it was all in her mind later. From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:58:42 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent Hi Zen, My younger sister told me after she got this for only 3 weeks, she could understand my suicide comments made at one time. She said no one in their wildest imagination could guess what was going on. I talked to my older sister the other night, and she told me I was hard to believe because I had had an allergy to milk products and alapecia before. I pointed out that those were real conditions and shouldn't have anything to do with getting a new illness. And thus it continues. Those that haven't experienced this want to make it fictional and defend their responses to it. But just think, if they believed, then they would have to live in fear of getting it. I guess the psychi is happier denying than accepting such a condition. I understand that. But being told one is looney and yelling at them and telling them they'd get well by applying mind over matter does not soothe the added hurt inflicted. My dad lectured me on cleaning too much at one time also. He said I was destroying the natural environmental balance in my apartment and that some bugs were normal and good. Love and light, From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>Subject: Just a quick ventbird mites Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.zen

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for sharing and supporting.

Zen

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> Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else

but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5

days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been

totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time.

Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up

to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and " nesting/cleaning " our

new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window

treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just

said " cleaning/nesting " ). She says to me " honey, if you are still feeling like

you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a

therapist. " OK - I wouldn't consider my " cleaning " compulsive. Gosh, don't

" normal " folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home?????

People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the

situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we

are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent.

>

> Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what

we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if

she actually thinks this happened at all.

>

> Thanks for listening guys.

>

> zen

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Zen!I can really understand your feelings about this. My mind is still focused on getting rid of all feelings from the birdmite-infestation and most of all the awful treatment (and none treatment) from doctors. Having close ones that don´t believe you or don´t understand is hard, but I guess if you´re not in this hell you just can´t imagine. Keep having faith in yourself and you are doing such good job getting better.

Hugs

Cecilia

From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:57 PMSubject: Just a quick vent

Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I

didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.zen

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Cecilia-The staph infections on the skin are common with Morgellon's type syndrome. 90% of those with the Morgellons' symptoms have Lyme and coinfections-Babesia and Bartonella, I think it's probably more like 100% due to unreliable testing. The skin stuff clears up when you treat the Lyme and other chronic infections.Aandraya On Sep 1, 2011, at 8:47 AM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

Hi Zen!I can really understand your feelings about this. My mind is still focused on getting rid of all feelings from the birdmite-infestation and most of all the awful treatment (and none treatment) from doctors. Having close ones that don´t believe you or don´t understand is hard, but I guess if you´re not in this hell you just can´t imagine. Keep having faith in yourself and you are doing such good job getting better.

Hugs

Cecilia

From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:57 PMSubject: Just a quick vent

Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I

didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.zen

[Guest guest]

My mom passed away when I was 17, many years ago. My sister may have gotten Lyme disease from the mites here at my house, but she was in complete denial about it later on and she had her mind on other things... she tended to minimize things. She got lung cancer several years later. Her husband also got lung cancer around the same time and he died 6 weeks after she did of the same cancer. He died in March 15, 2011 and she died the January, 2011. I don't think the lung cancer in either of them had to do with the mites. They were smokers.From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:22:28 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

-The pin-pricking sensation is a common symptom of Lyme. Maybe she had it too, Lyme can lead to cancer. Has your mom ever been symptomatic? I know so many women who have passed it congenitally to all their children. So far my daughter doesn't have symptoms, I'm keeping my fingers crossed!AandrayaOn Aug 31, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Goldstein@... wrote: My sister who passed away this last January told me the same thing, that some parasites are beneficial... etc. She came to visit and stayed here during our initial infestation. She called me one day saying that she was getting pin pricking sensations. She started spraying her house with Windex and vacuuming everywhere (she lived in Nebraska). She was diagnosed later with lung cancer which was unrelated to the pin pricking sensation, which I had had earlier too. She had chemo for the cancer and the pin pricking went away. To this day I don't know if she had picked something up from being here. But she was absolutely sure it was all in her mind later. From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:58:42 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent Hi Zen, My younger sister told me after she got this for only 3 weeks, she could understand my suicide comments made at one time. She said no one in their wildest imagination could guess what was going on. I talked to my older sister the other night, and she told me I was hard to believe because I had had an allergy to milk products and alapecia before. I pointed out that those were real conditions and shouldn't have anything to do with getting a new illness. And thus it continues. Those that haven't experienced this want to make it fictional and defend their responses to it. But just think, if they believed, then they would have to live in fear of getting it. I guess the psychi is happier denying than accepting such a condition. I understand that. But being told one is looney and yelling at them and telling them they'd get well by applying mind over matter does not soothe the added hurt inflicted. My dad lectured me on cleaning too much at one time also. He said I was destroying the natural environmental balance in my apartment and that some bugs were normal and good. Love and light, From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>Subject: Just a quick ventbird mites Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.zen

[Guest guest]

I don't think mites are known to carry Lyme. It seems to be the case that we have Lyme for many years before becoming symptomatic, then all the secondary infections- fungal,viral, protozoal- set in and then the insect infestations result. AandrayaOn Sep 1, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Goldstein@... wrote:

My mom passed away when I was 17, many years ago. My sister may have gotten Lyme disease from the mites here at my house, but she was in complete denial about it later on and she had her mind on other things... she tended to minimize things. She got lung cancer several years later. Her husband also got lung cancer around the same time and he died 6 weeks after she did of the same cancer. He died in March 15, 2011 and she died the January, 2011. I don't think the lung cancer in either of them had to do with the mites. They were smokers.From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:22:28 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

-The pin-pricking sensation is a common symptom of Lyme. Maybe she had it too, Lyme can lead to cancer. Has your mom ever been symptomatic? I know so many women who have passed it congenitally to all their children. So far my daughter doesn't have symptoms, I'm keeping my fingers crossed!AandrayaOn Aug 31, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Goldstein@... wrote: My sister who passed away this last January told me the same thing, that some parasites are beneficial... etc. She came to visit and stayed here during our initial infestation. She called me one day saying that

she was getting pin pricking sensations. She started spraying her house with Windex and vacuuming everywhere (she lived in Nebraska). She was diagnosed later with lung cancer which was unrelated to the pin pricking sensation, which I had had earlier too. She had chemo for the cancer and the pin pricking went away. To this day I don't know if she had picked something up from being here. But she was absolutely sure it was all in her mind later. From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:58:42 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent Hi Zen, My younger sister told me after she got this for only 3 weeks, she could understand my suicide comments made at one time. She said no one in their wildest imagination could guess what was going on. I talked to my older sister the other night, and she told me I was hard to believe because I had had an allergy to milk products and alapecia before. I pointed out that those were real conditions and shouldn't have anything to do with getting a new illness. And thus it continues. Those that haven't experienced this want to make it fictional and defend their responses to it. But just think, if they believed, then they would have to live in fear of getting it. I guess the psychi is happier denying than accepting such a condition. I understand that. But being told one is looney and yelling

at them and telling them they'd get well by applying mind over matter does not soothe the added hurt inflicted. My dad lectured me on cleaning too much at one time also. He said I was destroying the natural environmental balance in my apartment and that some bugs were normal and good. Love and light, From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>Subject: Just a quick ventbird mites Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my

husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize

that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.zen

[Guest guest]

Here's a site (there are others too) that say that birds have ticks--mites and ticks are feeding on the birds... they most likely then carry the same infections. They are feeding on the same blood of the animal.http://www.hiltonpond.org/ArticleBirdTicksMain.htmlFrom: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:44:17 AMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

I don't think mites are known to carry Lyme. It seems to be the case that we have Lyme for many years before becoming symptomatic, then all the secondary infections- fungal,viral, protozoal- set in and then the insect infestations result. AandrayaOn Sep 1, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Goldstein@... wrote:

My mom passed away when I was 17, many years ago. My sister may have gotten Lyme disease from the mites here at my house, but she was in complete denial about it later on and she had her mind on other things... she tended to minimize things. She got lung cancer several years later. Her husband also got lung cancer around the same time and he died 6 weeks after she did of the same cancer. He died in March 15, 2011 and she died the January, 2011. I don't think the lung cancer in either of them had to do with the mites. They were smokers.From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:22:28 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

-The pin-pricking sensation is a common symptom of Lyme. Maybe she had it too, Lyme can lead to cancer. Has your mom ever been symptomatic? I know so many women who have passed it congenitally to all their children. So far my daughter doesn't have symptoms, I'm keeping my fingers crossed!AandrayaOn Aug 31, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Goldstein@... wrote: My sister who passed away this last January told me the same thing, that some parasites are beneficial... etc. She came to visit and stayed here during our initial infestation. She called me one day saying that

she was getting pin pricking sensations. She started spraying her house with Windex and vacuuming everywhere (she lived in Nebraska). She was diagnosed later with lung cancer which was unrelated to the pin pricking sensation, which I had had earlier too. She had chemo for the cancer and the pin pricking went away. To this day I don't know if she had picked something up from being here. But she was absolutely sure it was all in her mind later. From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:58:42 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent Hi Zen, My younger sister told me after she got this for only 3 weeks, she could understand my suicide comments made at one time. She said no one in their wildest imagination could guess what was going on. I talked to my older sister the other night, and she told me I was hard to believe because I had had an allergy to milk products and alapecia before. I pointed out that those were real conditions and shouldn't have anything to do with getting a new illness. And thus it continues. Those that haven't experienced this want to make it fictional and defend their responses to it. But just think, if they believed, then they would have to live in fear of getting it. I guess the psychi is happier denying than accepting such a condition. I understand that. But being told one is looney and yelling

at them and telling them they'd get well by applying mind over matter does not soothe the added hurt inflicted. My dad lectured me on cleaning too much at one time also. He said I was destroying the natural environmental balance in my apartment and that some bugs were normal and good. Love and light, From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>Subject: Just a quick ventbird mites Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my

husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize

that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.zen

[Guest guest]

Hi Aandraya,Just wondering where you got this information... I could be wrong about that too, but do you know of any literature that backs that statement up? It would be important to me, although I do believe I had pre-existing Lyme disease, I've felt for the last few years that I was re-infected and that can happen, often with the re-infecting giving an additional type of Lyme and co-infections. So many of the symptoms I had did not happen with the first infection from Lyme, only after the infestation of mites. If you know of any literature I'd sure like to read it. From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:44:17 AMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

I don't think mites are known to carry Lyme. It seems to be the case that we have Lyme for many years before becoming symptomatic, then all the secondary infections- fungal,viral, protozoal- set in and then the insect infestations result. AandrayaOn Sep 1, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Goldstein@... wrote:

My mom passed away when I was 17, many years ago. My sister may have gotten Lyme disease from the mites here at my house, but she was in complete denial about it later on and she had her mind on other things... she tended to minimize things. She got lung cancer several years later. Her husband also got lung cancer around the same time and he died 6 weeks after she did of the same cancer. He died in March 15, 2011 and she died the January, 2011. I don't think the lung cancer in either of them had to do with the mites. They were smokers.From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:22:28 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

-The pin-pricking sensation is a common symptom of Lyme. Maybe she had it too, Lyme can lead to cancer. Has your mom ever been symptomatic? I know so many women who have passed it congenitally to all their children. So far my daughter doesn't have symptoms, I'm keeping my fingers crossed!AandrayaOn Aug 31, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Goldstein@... wrote: My sister who passed away this last January told me the same thing, that some parasites are beneficial... etc. She came to visit and stayed here during our initial infestation. She called me one day saying that

she was getting pin pricking sensations. She started spraying her house with Windex and vacuuming everywhere (she lived in Nebraska). She was diagnosed later with lung cancer which was unrelated to the pin pricking sensation, which I had had earlier too. She had chemo for the cancer and the pin pricking went away. To this day I don't know if she had picked something up from being here. But she was absolutely sure it was all in her mind later. From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:58:42 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent Hi Zen, My younger sister told me after she got this for only 3 weeks, she could understand my suicide comments made at one time. She said no one in their wildest imagination could guess what was going on. I talked to my older sister the other night, and she told me I was hard to believe because I had had an allergy to milk products and alapecia before. I pointed out that those were real conditions and shouldn't have anything to do with getting a new illness. And thus it continues. Those that haven't experienced this want to make it fictional and defend their responses to it. But just think, if they believed, then they would have to live in fear of getting it. I guess the psychi is happier denying than accepting such a condition. I understand that. But being told one is looney and yelling

at them and telling them they'd get well by applying mind over matter does not soothe the added hurt inflicted. My dad lectured me on cleaning too much at one time also. He said I was destroying the natural environmental balance in my apartment and that some bugs were normal and good. Love and light, From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>Subject: Just a quick ventbird mites Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my

husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize

that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.zen

[Guest guest]

Hi ,The way I read it, mites not being known to carry Lyme, does not mean they don't or can't just that they have not been scientifically demonstrated to carry Lyme. Like it has been demonstrated, in at least one paper, that Mosquitoes could carry Lyme. Presumably there have not been any studies to investigate whether mites carry Lyme.  Do birds get Lyme from the ticks & /or does it affect them? Our vet said she'd never known a cat to get Lyme, yet I've seen ticks on cats.

RegardsKrysOn 1 September 2011 15:56, <Goldstein@...> wrote:

 

Hi Aandraya,Just wondering where you got this information... I could be wrong about that too, but do you know of any literature that backs that statement up?  It would be important to me, although I do believe I had pre-existing Lyme disease, I've felt for the last few years that I was re-infected and that can happen, often with the re-infecting giving an additional type of Lyme and co-infections.  So many of the symptoms I had did not happen with the first infection from Lyme, only after the infestation of mites.  If you know of any literature I'd sure like to read it.  

From: " Aandraya " <aandraya@...>bird mites

Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:44:17 AMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

 

I don't think mites are known to carry Lyme.  It seems to be the case that we have Lyme for many years before becoming symptomatic, then all the secondary infections- fungal,viral, protozoal- set in and then the insect infestations result. 

AandrayaOn Sep 1, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Goldstein@... wrote:

 

My mom passed away when I was 17, many years ago.  My sister may have gotten Lyme disease from the mites here at my house, but she was in complete denial about it later on and she had her mind on other things...  she tended to minimize things.  She got lung cancer several years later.  Her husband also got lung cancer around the same time and he died 6 weeks after she did of the same cancer.  He died in March 15, 2011 and she died the January, 2011.  I don't think the lung cancer in either of them had to do with the mites.  They were smokers.

From: " Aandraya Da Silva " <aandraya@...>bird mites

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:22:28 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

 

-The pin-pricking sensation is a common symptom of Lyme.  Maybe she had it too, Lyme can lead to cancer.  Has your mom ever been symptomatic?  I  know so many women who have passed it congenitally to all their children.  So far my daughter doesn't have symptoms, I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

AandrayaOn Aug 31, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

  My sister who passed away this last January told me the same thing, that some parasites are beneficial... etc.  She came to visit and stayed here during our initial infestation.  She called me one day saying that

she was getting pin pricking sensations.  She started spraying her house with Windex and vacuuming everywhere (she lived in Nebraska).  She was diagnosed later with lung cancer which was unrelated to the pin pricking sensation, which I had had earlier too.  She had chemo for the cancer and the pin pricking went away.  To this day I don't know if she had picked something up from being here.  But she was absolutely sure it was all in her mind later.  

From: " Benton " <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:58:42 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent  

Hi Zen,     My younger sister told me after she got this for only 3 weeks, she could understand my suicide comments made at one time.  She said no one in their wildest imagination could guess what was going on.  I talked to my older sister the other night, and she told me I was hard to believe because I had had an allergy to milk products and alapecia before.  I pointed out that those were real conditions and shouldn't have anything to do with getting a new illness.   And thus it continues.  Those that haven't experienced this want to make it fictional and defend their responses to it.  But just think, if they believed, then they would have to live in fear of getting it.  I guess the psychi is happier denying than accepting such a condition.  I understand that.  But being told one is looney and yelling

at them and telling them they'd get well by applying mind over matter does not soothe the added hurt inflicted.  My dad lectured me on cleaning too much at one time also.  He said I was destroying the natural environmental balance in my apartment and that some bugs were normal and good.   

Love and light,     

From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>Subject: Just a quick ventbird mites

Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM   Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my

husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and " nesting/cleaning " our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said " cleaning/nesting " ). She says to me " honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist. " OK - I wouldn't consider my " cleaning " compulsive. Gosh, don't " normal " folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent.

Anyhow, it just made me realize

that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.

zen

--

I keep six honest serving-men

  (They taught me all I knew);

Their names are What and Why and When

  And How and Where and Who.

Rudyard Kipling

[Guest guest]

No, just that Lyme is usually passed through ticks, spiders, mosquitoes and congenitally. And that ticks carry an array of pathogens. AandrayaOn Sep 1, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

Hi Aandraya,Just wondering where you got this information... I could be wrong about that too, but do you know of any literature that backs that statement up? It would be important to me, although I do believe I had pre-existing Lyme disease, I've felt for the last few years that I was re-infected and that can happen, often with the re-infecting giving an additional type of Lyme and co-infections. So many of the symptoms I had did not happen with the first infection from Lyme, only after the infestation of mites. If you know of any literature I'd sure like to read it. From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:44:17 AMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

I don't think mites are known to carry Lyme. It seems to be the case that we have Lyme for many years before becoming symptomatic, then all the secondary infections- fungal,viral, protozoal- set in and then the insect infestations result. AandrayaOn Sep 1, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Goldstein@... wrote:

My mom passed away when I was 17, many years ago. My sister may have gotten Lyme disease from the mites here at my house, but she was in complete denial about it later on and she had her mind on other things... she tended to minimize things. She got lung cancer several years later. Her husband also got lung cancer around the same time and he died 6 weeks after she did of the same cancer. He died in March 15, 2011 and she died the January, 2011. I don't think the lung cancer in either of them had to do with the mites. They were smokers.From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:22:28

PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

-The pin-pricking sensation is a common symptom of Lyme. Maybe she had it too, Lyme can lead to cancer. Has your mom ever been symptomatic? I know so many women who have passed it congenitally to all their children. So far my daughter doesn't have symptoms, I'm keeping my fingers crossed!AandrayaOn Aug 31, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Goldstein@... wrote: My sister who passed away this last January told me the same thing, that some parasites are beneficial... etc. She came to visit and stayed here during our initial infestation. She called me one day saying that

she was getting pin pricking sensations. She started spraying her house with Windex and vacuuming everywhere (she lived in Nebraska). She was diagnosed later with lung cancer which was unrelated to the pin pricking sensation, which I had had earlier too. She had chemo for the cancer and the pin pricking went away. To this day I don't know if she had picked something up from being here. But she was absolutely sure it was all in her mind later. From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:58:42 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent Hi Zen, My younger sister told me after she got this for only 3 weeks, she could understand my suicide comments made at one time. She said no one in their wildest imagination could guess what was going on. I talked to my older sister the other night, and she told me I was hard to believe because I had had an allergy to milk products and alapecia before. I pointed out that those were real conditions and shouldn't have anything to do with getting a new illness. And thus it continues. Those that haven't experienced this want to make it fictional and defend their responses to it. But just think, if they believed, then they would have to live in fear of getting it. I guess the psychi is happier denying than accepting such a condition. I understand that. But being told one is looney and yelling

at them and telling them they'd get well by applying mind over matter does not soothe the added hurt inflicted. My dad lectured me on cleaning too much at one time also. He said I was destroying the natural environmental balance in my apartment and that some bugs were normal and good. Love and light, From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>Subject: Just a quick ventbird mites Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my

husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize

that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.zen

[Guest guest]

The body insects are the manifestation of already established deep seeded highly virulent chronic infections. It's rare for a healthy person to have insects living on them.AandrayaOn Sep 1, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

Hi Aandraya,Just wondering where you got this information... I could be wrong about that too, but do you know of any literature that backs that statement up? It would be important to me, although I do believe I had pre-existing Lyme disease, I've felt for the last few years that I was re-infected and that can happen, often with the re-infecting giving an additional type of Lyme and co-infections. So many of the symptoms I had did not happen with the first infection from Lyme, only after the infestation of mites. If you know of any literature I'd sure like to read it. From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:44:17 AMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

I don't think mites are known to carry Lyme. It seems to be the case that we have Lyme for many years before becoming symptomatic, then all the secondary infections- fungal,viral, protozoal- set in and then the insect infestations result. AandrayaOn Sep 1, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Goldstein@... wrote:

My mom passed away when I was 17, many years ago. My sister may have gotten Lyme disease from the mites here at my house, but she was in complete denial about it later on and she had her mind on other things... she tended to minimize things. She got lung cancer several years later. Her husband also got lung cancer around the same time and he died 6 weeks after she did of the same cancer. He died in March 15, 2011 and she died the January, 2011. I don't think the lung cancer in either of them had to do with the mites. They were smokers.From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:22:28

PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

-The pin-pricking sensation is a common symptom of Lyme. Maybe she had it too, Lyme can lead to cancer. Has your mom ever been symptomatic? I know so many women who have passed it congenitally to all their children. So far my daughter doesn't have symptoms, I'm keeping my fingers crossed!AandrayaOn Aug 31, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Goldstein@... wrote: My sister who passed away this last January told me the same thing, that some parasites are beneficial... etc. She came to visit and stayed here during our initial infestation. She called me one day saying that

she was getting pin pricking sensations. She started spraying her house with Windex and vacuuming everywhere (she lived in Nebraska). She was diagnosed later with lung cancer which was unrelated to the pin pricking sensation, which I had had earlier too. She had chemo for the cancer and the pin pricking went away. To this day I don't know if she had picked something up from being here. But she was absolutely sure it was all in her mind later. From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:58:42 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent Hi Zen, My younger sister told me after she got this for only 3 weeks, she could understand my suicide comments made at one time. She said no one in their wildest imagination could guess what was going on. I talked to my older sister the other night, and she told me I was hard to believe because I had had an allergy to milk products and alapecia before. I pointed out that those were real conditions and shouldn't have anything to do with getting a new illness. And thus it continues. Those that haven't experienced this want to make it fictional and defend their responses to it. But just think, if they believed, then they would have to live in fear of getting it. I guess the psychi is happier denying than accepting such a condition. I understand that. But being told one is looney and yelling

at them and telling them they'd get well by applying mind over matter does not soothe the added hurt inflicted. My dad lectured me on cleaning too much at one time also. He said I was destroying the natural environmental balance in my apartment and that some bugs were normal and good. Love and light, From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>Subject: Just a quick ventbird mites Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my

husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize

that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.zen

[Guest guest]

After we all pass over and our family gets to see what really was going on, they'll turn a new leaf. In the meantime, we have each other.

From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>Subject: Just a quick ventbird mites Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM

Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I

didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.zen

[Guest guest]

True, but it would be nice to have some understanding in the meantime. We'll all get a chance to see the many mistakes we've made. I've made many! From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 5:46:26 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

After we all pass over and our family gets to see what really was going on, they'll turn a new leaf. In the meantime, we have each other.

From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>Subject: Just a quick ventbird mites Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM

Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I

didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.zen

[Guest guest]

Hi, Aandraya!Thanks for your mail. It is mostly my 8 year old daughter who has the staph on her skin. She has no other symptoms of Lyme or Morgellons, do you still think it could relate to that? THanks for caring.CeciliaFrom: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 5:14 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

Cecilia-The staph infections on the skin are common with Morgellon's type syndrome. 90% of those with the Morgellons' symptoms have Lyme and coinfections-Babesia and Bartonella, I think it's probably more like 100% due to unreliable testing. The skin stuff clears up when you treat the Lyme and other chronic infections.Aandraya On Sep 1, 2011, at 8:47 AM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

Hi Zen!I can really understand your feelings about this. My mind is still focused on getting rid of all feelings from the birdmite-infestation and most of all the awful treatment (and none treatment) from doctors. Having close ones that don´t believe you or don´t understand is hard, but I guess if you´re not in this hell you just can´t imagine. Keep having faith in yourself and you are doing such good job getting better.

Hugs

Cecilia

From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:57 PMSubject: Just a quick vent

Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I

didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.zen

[Guest guest]

Cecilia-Does she have lesions or any other skin symptoms?On Sep 2, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Cecilia Borg wrote: Hi, Aandraya!Thanks for your mail. It is mostly my 8 year old daughter who has the staph on her skin. She has no other symptoms of Lyme or Morgellons, do you still think it could relate to that? THanks for caring.CeciliaFrom: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites >Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 5:14 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent Cecilia-The staph infections on the skin are common with Morgellon's type syndrome. 90% of those with the Morgellons' symptoms have Lyme and coinfections-Babesia and Bartonella, I think it's probably more like 100% due to unreliable testing. The skin stuff clears up when you treat the Lyme and other chronic infections.Aandraya On Sep 1, 2011, at 8:47 AM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote: Hi Zen!I can really understand your feelings about this. My mind is still focused on getting rid of all feelings from the birdmite-infestation and most of all the awful treatment (and none treatment) from doctors. Having close ones that don´t believe you or don´t understand is hard, but I guess if you´re not in this hell you just can´t imagine. Keep having faith in yourself and you are doing such good job getting better. Hugs Cecilia From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:57 PMSubject: Just a quick vent Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent. Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.zen

[Guest guest]

Okay this helps me understand. Do you think cats could get Lyme?Maybe testing is so poor the docs can't detect it.Sent from my iPodOn Sep 1, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...> wrote:

Hi ,The way I read it, mites not being known to carry Lyme, does not mean they don't or can't just that they have not been scientifically demonstrated to carry Lyme. Like it has been demonstrated, in at least one paper, that Mosquitoes could carry Lyme. Presumably there have not been any studies to investigate whether mites carry Lyme. Do birds get Lyme from the ticks & /or does it affect them? Our vet said she'd never known a cat to get Lyme, yet I've seen ticks on cats.

RegardsKrysOn 1 September 2011 15:56, <Goldstein@...> wrote:

Hi Aandraya,Just wondering where you got this information... I could be wrong about that too, but do you know of any literature that backs that statement up? It would be important to me, although I do believe I had pre-existing Lyme disease, I've felt for the last few years that I was re-infected and that can happen, often with the re-infecting giving an additional type of Lyme and co-infections. So many of the symptoms I had did not happen with the first infection from Lyme, only after the infestation of mites. If you know of any literature I'd sure like to read it.

From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites

Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:44:17 AMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

I don't think mites are known to carry Lyme. It seems to be the case that we have Lyme for many years before becoming symptomatic, then all the secondary infections- fungal,viral, protozoal- set in and then the insect infestations result.

AandrayaOn Sep 1, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Goldstein@... wrote:

My mom passed away when I was 17, many years ago. My sister may have gotten Lyme disease from the mites here at my house, but she was in complete denial about it later on and she had her mind on other things... she tended to minimize things. She got lung cancer several years later. Her husband also got lung cancer around the same time and he died 6 weeks after she did of the same cancer. He died in March 15, 2011 and she died the January, 2011. I don't think the lung cancer in either of them had to do with the mites. They were smokers.

From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:22:28 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

-The pin-pricking sensation is a common symptom of Lyme. Maybe she had it too, Lyme can lead to cancer. Has your mom ever been symptomatic? I know so many women who have passed it congenitally to all their children. So far my daughter doesn't have symptoms, I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

AandrayaOn Aug 31, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

My sister who passed away this last January told me the same thing, that some parasites are beneficial... etc. She came to visit and stayed here during our initial infestation. She called me one day saying that

she was getting pin pricking sensations. She started spraying her house with Windex and vacuuming everywhere (she lived in Nebraska). She was diagnosed later with lung cancer which was unrelated to the pin pricking sensation, which I had had earlier too. She had chemo for the cancer and the pin pricking went away. To this day I don't know if she had picked something up from being here. But she was absolutely sure it was all in her mind later.

From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:58:42 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

Hi Zen, My younger sister told me after she got this for only 3 weeks, she could understand my suicide comments made at one time. She said no one in their wildest imagination could guess what was going on. I talked to my older sister the other night, and she told me I was hard to believe because I had had an allergy to milk products and alapecia before. I pointed out that those were real conditions and shouldn't have anything to do with getting a new illness. And thus it continues. Those that haven't experienced this want to make it fictional and defend their responses to it. But just think, if they believed, then they would have to live in fear of getting it. I guess the psychi is happier denying than accepting such a condition. I understand that. But being told one is looney and yelling

at them and telling them they'd get well by applying mind over matter does not soothe the added hurt inflicted. My dad lectured me on cleaning too much at one time also. He said I was destroying the natural environmental balance in my apartment and that some bugs were normal and good.

Love and light,

From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>Subject: Just a quick ventbird mites

Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my

husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent.

Anyhow, it just made me realize

that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.

zen

--

I keep six honest serving-men

(They taught me all I knew);

Their names are What and Why and When

And How and Where and Who.

Rudyard Kipling

[Guest guest]

Really I don't know much about Lyme, just that my dogs got it when we first moved over from UK & before we knew it was a real danger. I just did a search & , it seems, cats do get Lyme ......I also did another search & it seems birds get infected too.

Here is an abstract.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1069015/If mosquitoes have been shown to carry Lyme, it is not altogether illogical to wonder whether bird mites could also carry Lyme if they have sucked blood from an infected bird. I guess that until such time as someone decides to explore the notion we probably shan't really know with any degree of certainty.

On 2 September 2011 13:21, goldstein <Goldstein@...> wrote:

 

Okay this helps me understand.  Do you think cats could get Lyme?Maybe testing is so poor the docs can't detect it.Sent from my iPod

On Sep 1, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...> wrote:

 

Hi ,The way I read it, mites not being known to carry Lyme, does not mean they don't or can't just that they have not been scientifically demonstrated to carry Lyme. Like it has been demonstrated, in at least one paper, that Mosquitoes could carry Lyme. Presumably there have not been any studies to investigate whether mites carry Lyme.  Do birds get Lyme from the ticks & /or does it affect them? Our vet said she'd never known a cat to get Lyme, yet I've seen ticks on cats.

RegardsKrysOn 1 September 2011 15:56, <Goldstein@...> wrote:

 

Hi Aandraya,Just wondering where you got this information... I could be wrong about that too, but do you know of any literature that backs that statement up?  It would be important to me, although I do believe I had pre-existing Lyme disease, I've felt for the last few years that I was re-infected and that can happen, often with the re-infecting giving an additional type of Lyme and co-infections.  So many of the symptoms I had did not happen with the first infection from Lyme, only after the infestation of mites.  If you know of any literature I'd sure like to read it.  

From: " Aandraya " <aandraya@...>bird mites

Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:44:17 AMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

 

I don't think mites are known to carry Lyme.  It seems to be the case that we have Lyme for many years before becoming symptomatic, then all the secondary infections- fungal,viral, protozoal- set in and then the insect infestations result. 

AandrayaOn Sep 1, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Goldstein@... wrote:

 

My mom passed away when I was 17, many years ago.  My sister may have gotten Lyme disease from the mites here at my house, but she was in complete denial about it later on and she had her mind on other things...  she tended to minimize things.  She got lung cancer several years later.  Her husband also got lung cancer around the same time and he died 6 weeks after she did of the same cancer.  He died in March 15, 2011 and she died the January, 2011.  I don't think the lung cancer in either of them had to do with the mites.  They were smokers.

From: " Aandraya Da Silva " <aandraya@...>bird mites

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:22:28 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

 

-The pin-pricking sensation is a common symptom of Lyme.  Maybe she had it too, Lyme can lead to cancer.  Has your mom ever been symptomatic?  I  know so many women who have passed it congenitally to all their children.  So far my daughter doesn't have symptoms, I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

AandrayaOn Aug 31, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

  My sister who passed away this last January told me the same thing, that some parasites are beneficial... etc.  She came to visit and stayed here during our initial infestation.  She called me one day saying that

she was getting pin pricking sensations.  She started spraying her house with Windex and vacuuming everywhere (she lived in Nebraska).  She was diagnosed later with lung cancer which was unrelated to the pin pricking sensation, which I had had earlier too.  She had chemo for the cancer and the pin pricking went away.  To this day I don't know if she had picked something up from being here.  But she was absolutely sure it was all in her mind later.  

From: " Benton " <sarahbenton48@...>

bird mites

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:58:42 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent  

Hi Zen,     My younger sister told me after she got this for only 3 weeks, she could understand my suicide comments made at one time.  She said no one in their wildest imagination could guess what was going on.  I talked to my older sister the other night, and she told me I was hard to believe because I had had an allergy to milk products and alapecia before.  I pointed out that those were real conditions and shouldn't have anything to do with getting a new illness.   And thus it continues.  Those that haven't experienced this want to make it fictional and defend their responses to it.  But just think, if they believed, then they would have to live in fear of getting it.  I guess the psychi is happier denying than accepting such a condition.  I understand that.  But being told one is looney and yelling

at them and telling them they'd get well by applying mind over matter does not soothe the added hurt inflicted.  My dad lectured me on cleaning too much at one time also.  He said I was destroying the natural environmental balance in my apartment and that some bugs were normal and good.   

Love and light,     

From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>Subject: Just a quick ventbird mites

Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM   Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my

husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and " nesting/cleaning " our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said " cleaning/nesting " ). She says to me " honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist. " OK - I wouldn't consider my " cleaning " compulsive. Gosh, don't " normal " folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent.

Anyhow, it just made me realize

that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.

zen

--

I keep six honest serving-men

  (They taught me all I knew);

Their names are What and Why and When

  And How and Where and Who.

Rudyard Kipling

--

I keep six honest serving-men

  (They taught me all I knew);

Their names are What and Why and When

  And How and Where and Who.

Rudyard Kipling

[Guest guest]

Thanks Krys. That is very very interesting!Wonder how your dogs had Lyme? Sent from my iPodOn Sep 2, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...> wrote:

Really I don't know much about Lyme, just that my dogs got it when we first moved over from UK & before we knew it was a real danger. I just did a search & , it seems, cats do get Lyme ......I also did another search & it seems birds get infected too.

Here is an abstract.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1069015/If mosquitoes have been shown to carry Lyme, it is not altogether illogical to wonder whether bird mites could also carry Lyme if they have sucked blood from an infected bird. I guess that until such time as someone decides to explore the notion we probably shan't really know with any degree of certainty.

On 2 September 2011 13:21, goldstein <Goldstein@...> wrote:

Okay this helps me understand. Do you think cats could get Lyme?Maybe testing is so poor the docs can't detect it.Sent from my iPod

On Sep 1, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...> wrote:

Hi ,The way I read it, mites not being known to carry Lyme, does not mean they don't or can't just that they have not been scientifically demonstrated to carry Lyme. Like it has been demonstrated, in at least one paper, that Mosquitoes could carry Lyme. Presumably there have not been any studies to investigate whether mites carry Lyme. Do birds get Lyme from the ticks & /or does it affect them? Our vet said she'd never known a cat to get Lyme, yet I've seen ticks on cats.

RegardsKrysOn 1 September 2011 15:56, <Goldstein@...> wrote:

Hi Aandraya,Just wondering where you got this information... I could be wrong about that too, but do you know of any literature that backs that statement up? It would be important to me, although I do believe I had pre-existing Lyme disease, I've felt for the last few years that I was re-infected and that can happen, often with the re-infecting giving an additional type of Lyme and co-infections. So many of the symptoms I had did not happen with the first infection from Lyme, only after the infestation of mites. If you know of any literature I'd sure like to read it.

From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites

Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:44:17 AMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

I don't think mites are known to carry Lyme. It seems to be the case that we have Lyme for many years before becoming symptomatic, then all the secondary infections- fungal,viral, protozoal- set in and then the insect infestations result.

AandrayaOn Sep 1, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Goldstein@... wrote:

My mom passed away when I was 17, many years ago. My sister may have gotten Lyme disease from the mites here at my house, but she was in complete denial about it later on and she had her mind on other things... she tended to minimize things. She got lung cancer several years later. Her husband also got lung cancer around the same time and he died 6 weeks after she did of the same cancer. He died in March 15, 2011 and she died the January, 2011. I don't think the lung cancer in either of them had to do with the mites. They were smokers.

From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:22:28 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

-The pin-pricking sensation is a common symptom of Lyme. Maybe she had it too, Lyme can lead to cancer. Has your mom ever been symptomatic? I know so many women who have passed it congenitally to all their children. So far my daughter doesn't have symptoms, I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

AandrayaOn Aug 31, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

My sister who passed away this last January told me the same thing, that some parasites are beneficial... etc. She came to visit and stayed here during our initial infestation. She called me one day saying that

she was getting pin pricking sensations. She started spraying her house with Windex and vacuuming everywhere (she lived in Nebraska). She was diagnosed later with lung cancer which was unrelated to the pin pricking sensation, which I had had earlier too. She had chemo for the cancer and the pin pricking went away. To this day I don't know if she had picked something up from being here. But she was absolutely sure it was all in her mind later.

From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>

bird mites

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:58:42 PMSubject: Re: Just a quick vent

Hi Zen, My younger sister told me after she got this for only 3 weeks, she could understand my suicide comments made at one time. She said no one in their wildest imagination could guess what was going on. I talked to my older sister the other night, and she told me I was hard to believe because I had had an allergy to milk products and alapecia before. I pointed out that those were real conditions and shouldn't have anything to do with getting a new illness. And thus it continues. Those that haven't experienced this want to make it fictional and defend their responses to it. But just think, if they believed, then they would have to live in fear of getting it. I guess the psychi is happier denying than accepting such a condition. I understand that. But being told one is looney and yelling

at them and telling them they'd get well by applying mind over matter does not soothe the added hurt inflicted. My dad lectured me on cleaning too much at one time also. He said I was destroying the natural environmental balance in my apartment and that some bugs were normal and good.

Love and light,

From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>Subject: Just a quick ventbird mites

Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my

husbands family in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and "nesting/cleaning" our new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my cleaning with her - I just said "cleaning/nesting"). She says to me "honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist." OK - I wouldn't consider my "cleaning" compulsive. Gosh, don't "normal" folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home????? People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get complacent.

Anyhow, it just made me realize

that she has no idea where we've been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.Thanks for listening guys.

zen

--

I keep six honest serving-men

(They taught me all I knew);

Their names are What and Why and When

And How and Where and Who.

Rudyard Kipling

--

I keep six honest serving-men

(They taught me all I knew);

Their names are What and Why and When

And How and Where and Who.

Rudyard Kipling

[Guest guest]

Not sure about that. Always been perfectly healthy, sportive all my life. Just

had a little skin fungus at the time when the mites infested me.

Even now I feel perfectly healthy AGAIN. Is it possible that I still carry Lyme,

although having no symptoms at all ?

This all reminds me of the chicken and egg story. What was first :-)

> >

> > From: southernbugmom <zenmorgie@...>

> > Subject: Just a quick vent

> > bird mites

> > Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:57 PM

> >

> >

> > Hi fellow fighters. I just have to get something off my chest and

> > nobody else but you all would understand. My husband and kids have

> > been gone for the last 5 days (they are visiting my husbands family

> > in another state). I haven't been totally alone in like 10 years. I

> > miss them but have so enjoyed my time. Anyhow, yesterday I have

> > lunch with my Mom and she asks me what I have been up to - I told

> > her lunch with friends, reading, shopping and " nesting/cleaning " our

> > new home. I did 's Lysol spray throughout the house, vaccumed

> > our window treatments, etc. (I didn't share the specifics of my

> > cleaning with her - I just said " cleaning/nesting " ). She says to me

> > " honey, if you are still feeling like you need to compulsively clean

> > then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist. " OK - I

> > wouldn't consider my " cleaning " compulsive. Gosh, don't " normal "

> > folks who don't have birdmites do a spring clean in their home?????

> > People just don't get it and I didn't waste my time trying to

> > explain the situation to her. Just because we aren't in war mode

> > anymore doesn't mean we are 100% better. We have come too far to get

> > complacent.

> >

> > Anyhow, it just made me realize that she has no idea where we've

> > been and what we've been through. That's fine I guess but it just

> > made me sad. I wonder if she actually thinks this happened at all.

> >

> > Thanks for listening guys.

> >

> > zen

> >

> >

> >

> >

>