Re: How to avoid shingles when you never had chickenpox and only the vaccine...

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who knows?

Sheri

At 10:01 AM 11/15/2011, you wrote:

>Does it matter where the outbreak originates

>from? I just exposed my kids to contagious

>unvaccinated kids who got it from someone at

>their preschool. I can't trace it further back

>to see if it originally started from a vax

>reaction that caused c.pox or if it's a wild

>strain. Is there more info I need to know? I

>thought if we caught it naturally it'd give us

>immunity, but I didn't think about there being a

>different strain created by vaccines. I hope

>we're good! It took me awhile to track down

>c.pox and I had to drive a little ways for the exposure.

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> > > > > > I never had CP as a kid and as a requirement for the green

> > > > > card I had to prove immunity to it or get the shots. So I

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> > > > > eventually. I don't know if being around kids with CP will

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> > > > > my immunity since it's not natural. Do you have any advice?

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I think it only matters if you are trying to get true CP. It would be interesting to know, though.

Winnie

How to avoid shingles when you > > > never > > > > > had chickenpox and only the vaccine...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > I never had CP as a kid and as a requirement for the > green > > > > > card I had to prove immunity to it or get the shots. So > I > > > ended > > > > > up with the shots. How can I protect myself from > shingles > > > later > > > > > on? A blood test before pregnancy showed titers to > > > varicella, so > > > > > the virus is in me and waiting to break out as shingles > > > > > eventually. I don't know if being around kids with CP > will > > > boost > > > > > my immunity since it's not natural. Do you have any advice?> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >

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Thanks. Any idea why one would be trying to specifically catch true chicken pox?

Also, if it was a vax started form we were exposed to, will me " real " chicken

pox immunity still protect me? I have a pregnant friend wanting to expose her

son and don't want her getting it on account of me.

Thanks so much and I love this group!

a

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> > > > > > > Ask the doctor who talked you into the vaccine. Â The

> > > > truth

> > > > > > is, no one really knows.Â

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~Â

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > From: niadara

> > > > > > > Vaccinations

> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 6:58 AM

> > > > > > > Subject: How to avoid shingles when you

> > > > never

> > > > > > had chickenpox and only the vaccine...

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> > > > > > > I never had CP as a kid and as a requirement for the

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> > > > > > on? A blood test before pregnancy showed titers to

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> > > > > > the virus is in me and waiting to break out as shingles

> > > > > > eventually. I don't know if being around kids with CP

> > will

> > > > boost

> > > > > > my immunity since it's not natural. Do you have any advice?

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[Guest guest]

One reason I can think of why someone would want to get real CP is since the vaccine isn't effective, maybe getting the disease from that strain also wouldn't be effective against getting real CP in the future.

I don't know if real CP immunity would protect you against the strain in the vaccine. I think it's all a guessing game but if I had a choice, I wouldn't want anything that originated from a vaccine just on principle.

Winnie How to avoid shingles when > you > > > > > never > > > > > > > had chickenpox and only the vaccine...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > I never had CP as a kid and as a requirement for > the > > > green > > > > > > > card I had to prove immunity to it or get the shots. > So > > > I > > > > > ended > > > > > > > up with the shots. How can I protect myself from > > > shingles > > > > > later > > > > > > > on? A blood test before pregnancy showed titers to > > > > > varicella, so > > > > > > > the virus is in me and waiting to break out as > shingles > > > > > > > eventually. I don't know if being around kids with > CP > > > will > > > > > boost > > > > > > > my immunity since it's not natural. Do you have any > advice?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >

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Hi, I'm not sure why to choose the "real" CP other than I think anything " grown" by mother nature is superior than what can be produced in lab. But is not a virus a virus and the body must be susceptable first? Or is it true that some virus are more potant than others? Im also curious how to tell if it is the "real" CP, is there some sort of laymens test to check without a lab culture?My fully vaxed niece was diagnosed with chicken pox 3 separate times (but not shingles!) and yes, she did have the CP vaccine too. So it does stand to reason that there are a few strains out there. -F

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Thanks. Any idea why one would be trying to specifically catch true chicken pox? Also, if it was a vax started form we were exposed to, will me " real " chicken pox immunity still protect me? I have a pregnant friend wanting to expose her son and don't want her getting it on account of me.

Thanks so much and I love this group!

a

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ask the doctor who talked you into the vaccine. Â The

> > > > truth

> > > > > > is, no one really knows.Â

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~Â

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > From: niadara

> > > > > > > Vaccinations

> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 6:58 AM

> > > > > > > Subject: How to avoid shingles when you

> > > > never

> > > > > > had chickenpox and only the vaccine...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > I never had CP as a kid and as a requirement for the

> > green

> > > > > > card I had to prove immunity to it or get the shots. So

> > I

> > > > ended

> > > > > > up with the shots. How can I protect myself from

> > shingles

> > > > later

> > > > > > on? A blood test before pregnancy showed titers to

> > > > varicella, so

> > > > > > the virus is in me and waiting to break out as shingles

> > > > > > eventually. I don't know if being around kids with CP

> > will

> > > > boost

> > > > > > my immunity since it's not natural. Do you have any advice?

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[Guest guest]

Hi there!

I recently found this group, and am so excited to so this many people seeking

out info on vaccines, and the archives of information here is just amazing!

I am a pediatric / prenatal chiropractor in CT, and mom to non-vax'd 2yr old.

Over the past 2 yrs I've become engrossed in this subject. It's quite

unbelievable how corrupt our system is. The more one learns, the more

unbelievable it gets.

I've been reading a bit on the immune response lately, and it is my

understanding that vaccines only produce humoral immunity (antibodies) and NOT

cell mediated immunity (white blood cells /t cells..rash). Not involving the

cell mediated immune response has shown in studies to not provide life long

immunity (2 to 10 yrs for antibodies, but not really even any proof antibodies

alone, without cell response actually provide immunity). Also, by not

experiencing the acute infection with a fever and rash, there is no way for the

viral toxins to get expelled from the body.. so some think vax'd viruses remain

in our system as a low level chronic infection for long period of time.

Natural exposure to CP enters the body through mucosa (mouth), igniting a full

immune response (both humoral and cell mediated) which does provide lifelong

immunity. Lifelong immunity in this case is strongly desired, because

contracting CP as an adult is far more complicated.

Some viruses and bacteria are stronger and more toxic to us than others, and

even the healthiest kids would probably show some active acute symptoms after

exposure to CP. The healthier they are, the better their bodies will manage it.

Some also believe that having our bodies go through childhood diseases are

necessary to strengthen our immune system and helps in fighting off chronic

illness as we get older.

On a different note, people have been in the news lately sending CP infected

lollypops through the mail... I would not recommend or advocate doing this, but

thought it was interesting.

Hope that helps a bit.

Best,

Elissa

Hope that helps

>

> Hi,

>

> I & #39;m not sure why to choose the " real " CP other than I think anything "

grown " by mother nature is superior than what can be produced in lab. But is

not a virus a virus and the body must be susceptable first? Or is it true that

some virus are more potant than others? Im also curious how to tell if it is

the " real " CP, is there some sort of laymens test to check without a lab

culture?

>

> My fully vaxed niece was diagnosed with chicken pox 3 separate times (but not

shingles!) and yes, she did have the CP vaccine too. So it does stand to

reason that there are a few strains out there.

>

> -F

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