Re: the call we've been waiting for!! IMPORTANT

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Here they send a form you can fill out so your child is not tracked in the system. Do you have and do that?Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®From: "Venita Garner" <nitagarner@...>Sender: Vaccinations Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:15:50 -0500<Vaccinations >Reply Vaccinations Subject: the call we've been waiting for!! IMPORTANT OK.. Just got the survey call from the CDC and “under four year olds on their recommended immunizations” (gag) First question: are there any 4 year olds and was I over the age of 17 and could answer about any four or under status on all their recommended immunizations So I young’d my voice and said “no, I’m the baby sitter” LOL…. And said “thank you” and hung up and went to my ooma log and blocked their call. Now our ooma isn’t working like we want it to and we’re going to be trying out magic jack but… the call came up on caller ID as NORC U Chicago and the number is 312 759 2659 Natural foundation is right! this is my kids medical privacy and I’m not about to dole out info to anybody on that, esp over the phone! And you can bet they’re going to keep track of the parents who admit to not vaxxing!! but I was very tempted to just start laughing and say ‘immunizations..hahahahahahahahaha like they really provide immunity.. what a good one!” Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 17, 14, 12, 10, Christian 7/16/03-8/22/04, 6, Isaac 3 and , born 3/1/11http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.comemail me for ideas on fundraising: nitagarner@...NitaSews on etsy.comamateurs built the ark ...professionals built the Titanic

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The babysitter--haha! You make me laugh, Nita. I googled the number and found a link with comments/complaints about the harassment: (http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/3127595263) People are NOT happy.

Winnie the call we've been waiting for!! IMPORTANTVaccinations > OK..> > > > Just got the survey call from the CDC and "under four year olds > on their> recommended immunizations" (gag)> > > > First question: are there any 4 year olds and was I over the age > of 17 and> could answer about any four or under status on all their recommended> immunizations> > > > So I young'd my voice and said "no, I'm the baby sitter" LOL.. > And said> "thank you" and hung up and went to my ooma log and blocked > their call.> > > > Now our ooma isn't working like we want it to and we're going to > be trying> out magic jack but. the call came up on caller ID as NORC U > Chicago and the> number is 312 759 2659> > > > Natural foundation is right! this is my kids medical privacy and > I'm not> about to dole out info to anybody on that, esp over the phone! > And you can> bet they're going to keep track of the parents who admit to not > vaxxing!!but I was very tempted to just start laughing and say> 'immunizations..hahahahahahahahaha like they really provide > immunity.. what> a good one!"> > > > Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 17, 14, 12, 10, > Christian7/16/03-8/22/04, 6, Isaac 3 and , born 3/1/11> http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly> current pictures and > http://nitasspot.blogspot.com> > email me for ideas on fundraising: nitagarner@...> > NitaSews on etsy.com> > amateurs built the ark ...professionals built the Titanic> > > >

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Winnie, I went to this website and read a lot of the complaints people had about receiving these calls, and one of the people paid to do a reverse phone search on the number and found out all this info. about the company. It had their website, and on the site it had a list of surveys they are currently doing, and here's the page about the immunization one:

http://www.norc.org/Research/Projects/Pages/national-immunization-survey.aspx

It says they are collecting the info. for the CDC. This whole thing really worries me, because my biggest fear is that the government is slowly moving towards forcing everyone to get immunized regardless of whether they're in school or not and I worry that they're trying to get a list of who's not immunized in preparation for that day. I think if they do make it mandatory, they'll do it very slowly and gradually, but I'm definitely planning on not answering if they call me. I don't want them to have a record of my son not being immunized and it's making me rethink the homeschooling option. Is anyone else worried about this, or do you all think that that would never happen? Didn't they force people to be immunized for certain diseases during outbreaks in the past? I thought I read that somewhere.

Re: the call we've been waiting for!! IMPORTANT

The babysitter--haha! You make me laugh, Nita. I googled the number and found a link with comments/complaints about the harassment: (http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/3127595263) People are NOT happy.

Winnie

the call we've been waiting for!! IMPORTANT

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> OK..

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> Just got the survey call from the CDC and "under four year olds

> on their

> recommended immunizations" (gag)

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> First question: are there any 4 year olds and was I over the age

> of 17 and

> could answer about any four or under status on all their recommended

> immunizations

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> So I young'd my voice and said "no, I'm the baby sitter" LOL..

> And said

> "thank you" and hung up and went to my ooma log and blocked

> their call.

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>

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> Now our ooma isn't working like we want it to and we're going to

> be trying

> out magic jack but. the call c ame up on caller ID as NORC U

> Chicago and the

> number is 312 759 2659

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>

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> Natural foundation is right! this is my kids medical privacy and

> I'm not

> about to dole out info to anybody on that, esp over the phone!

> And you can

> bet they're going to keep track of the parents who admit to not

> vaxxing!!but I was very tempted to just start laughing and say

> 'immunizations..hahahahahahahahaha like they really provide

> immunity.. what

> a good one!"

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>

> Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 17, 14, 12, 10,

> Christian7/16/03-8/22/04, 6, Isaac 3 and , born 3/1/11

> http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly

> current pictures and

> http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

>

> email me for ideas on fundraising: nitagarner@...

>

> NitaSews on etsy.com

>

> am ateurs built the ark ...professionals built the Titanic

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Well I received a paper from the school asking if I would allow my state to check the records of my child to make sure they were up-to-date on their immunizations. I wasn't going to turn it in, but my daughter insisted because that was what the teacher said to do. Welllllll. They have "do you consent, blah, blah..." and you are supposed to put your signature. The only thing I did was return it with "I do not consent". The teacher turned it back in to me saying I have to sign where the form had the signature under the "I do consent". I do not plan on putting my signature on the paper.... Like everyone says, NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS! I do see being forced to homeschool, but if they want everyone immunized, they will do their darnedest to make it happen.... Just really sickens me how they are really forcing this issue now.... It is like they are forcing us to revolt or something, because I think that might happen. Of course, maybe that is what they want.... or maybe they are creating this as a diversion because they are doing some other insidious thing behind our backs or to keep us focussed on this instead of something else???? I know I am very paranoid, but you have to wonder.... Thanks for the info on the phone number. Unfortunately won't do us any good now as our phone with caller id died. Hopefully we will get another soon... I do miss that feature...

On Oct 13, 2011, Kelloggs263@... wrote:

Winnie, I went to this website and read a lot of the complaints people had about receiving these calls, and one of the people paid to do a reverse phone search on the number and found out all this info. about the company. It had their website, and on the site it had a list of surveys they are currently doing, and here's the page about the immunization one: http://www.norc.org/Research/Projects/Pages/national-immunization-survey.aspx It says they are collecting the info. for the CDC. This whole thing really worries me, because my biggest fear is that the government is slowly moving towards forcing everyone to get immunized regardless of whether they're in school or not and I worry that they're trying to get a list of who's not immunized in preparation for that day. I think if they do make it mandatory, they'll do it very slowly and gradually, but I'm definitely planning on not answering if they call me. I don't want them to have a record of my son not being immunized and it's making me rethink the homeschooling option. Is anyone else worried about this, or do you all think that that would never happen? Didn't they force people to be immunized for certain diseases during outbreaks in the past? I thought I read that somewhere.

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I certainly believe there’s an agenda behind this. I don’t know exactly what’s going to happen but we must remain brave and hope for the best! No sense in being paralyzed with fear.

From: Kelloggs263@...

Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:45 PM

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: the call we've been waiting for!! IMPORTANT

Winnie, I went to this website and read a lot of the complaints people had about receiving these calls, and one of the people paid to do a reverse phone search on the number and found out all this info. about the company. It had their website, and on the site it had a list of surveys they are currently doing, and here's the page about the immunization one:http://www.norc.org/Research/Projects/Pages/national-immunization-survey.aspxIt says they are collecting the info. for the CDC. This whole thing really worries me, because my biggest fear is that the government is slowly moving towards forcing everyone to get immunized regardless of whether they're in school or not and I worry that they're trying to get a list of who's not immunized in preparation for that day. I think if they do make it mandatory, they'll do it very slowly and gradually, but I'm definitely planning on not answering if they call me. I don't want them to have a record of my son not being immunized and it's making me rethink the homeschooling option. Is anyone else worried about this, or do you all think that that would never happen? Didn't they force people to be immunized for certain diseases during outbreaks in the past? I thought I read that somewhere.

Re: the call we've been waiting for!! IMPORTANT

The babysitter--haha! You make me laugh, Nita. I googled the number and found a link with comments/complaints about the harassment: (http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/3127595263) People are NOT happy.

Winnie the call we've been waiting for!! IMPORTANTVaccinations > OK..> > > > Just got the survey call from the CDC and "under four year olds > on their> recommended immunizations" (gag)> > > > First question: are there any 4 year olds and was I over the age > of 17 and> could answer about any four or under status on all their recommended> immunizations> > > > So I young'd my voice and said "no, I'm the baby sitter" LOL.. > And said> "thank you" and hung up and went to my ooma log and blocked > their call.> > > > Now our ooma isn't working like we want it to and we're going to > be trying> out magic jack but. the call c ame up on caller ID as NORC U > Chicago and the> number is 312 759 2659> > > > Natural foundation is right! this is my kids medical privacy and > I'm not> about to dole out info to anybody on that, esp over the phone! > And you can> bet they're going to keep track of the parents who admit to not > vaxxing!!but I was very tempted to just start laughing and say> 'immunizations..hahahahahahahahaha like they really provide > immunity.. what> a good one!"> > > > Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 17, 14, 12, 10, > Christian7/16/03-8/22/04, 6, Isaac 3 and , born 3/1/11> http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly> current pictures and > http://nitasspot.blogspot.com> > email me for ideas on fundraising: nitagarner@...> > NitaSews on etsy.com> > am ateurs built the ark ...professionals built the Titanic> > > >

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Well, not to scare you worse that you are, but they already have the legal power to vaccinate if a state of emergency is declared in many states. I'm not up on the latest but there might be exemptions or not, there might be fines for using an exemption, there might be quarantines depending on where you live.

Anyway, for this survey, I think it's just a marketing gimmick. They want to get hold of people's medical records so they can determine what areas they can sell to. There is not an unending supply of vaccines, and no business wants to make more than they can sell if they have to throw out leftovers.

Winnie the call we've been waiting for!! IMPORTANT> Vaccinations > > > OK..> > > > > > > > Just got the survey call from the CDC and "under four year > olds > > on their> > recommended immunizations" (gag)> > > > > > > > First question: are there any 4 year olds and was I over > the age > > of 17 and> > could answer about any four or under status on all their > recommended> immunizations> > > > > > > > So I young'd my voice and said "no, I'm the baby sitter" > LOL.. > > And said> > "thank you" and hung up and went to my ooma log and blocked > > their call.> > > > > > > > Now our ooma isn't working like we want it to and we're > going to > > be trying> > out magic jack but. the call c ame up on caller ID as NORC > U > > Chicago and the> > number is 312 759 2659> > > > > > > > Natural foundation is right! this is my kids medical > privacy and > > I'm not> > about to dole out info to anybody on that, esp over the > phone! > > And you can> > bet they're going to keep track of the parents who admit to > not > > vaxxing!!but I was very tempted to just start laughing and say> > 'immunizations..hahahahahahahahaha like they really provide > > immunity.. what> > a good one!"> > > > > > > > Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 17, 14, 12, > 10, > > Christian7/16/03-8/22/04, 6, Isaac 3 and , born > 3/1/11> http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly> > current pictures and > > http://nitasspot.blogspot.com> > > > email me for ideas on fundraising: nitagarner@...> > > > NitaSews on etsy.com> > > > am ateurs built the ark ...professionals built the Titanic> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Funny, I thought the state always had the right to check your school records since they "own" the schools. Now they need permission? Hmm...sounds as if that's code for "We Have Something Else Up Our Sleeves."

Winnie Re: Re: the call we've been waiting for!! IMPORTANTVaccinations

Well I received a paper from the school asking if I would allow my state to check the records of my child to make sure they were up-to-date on their immunizations. I wasn't going to turn it in, but my daughter insisted because that was what the teacher said to do. Welllllll. They have "do you consent, blah, blah..." and you are supposed to put your signature. The only thing I did was return it with "I do not consent". The teacher turned it back in to me saying I have to sign where the form had the signature under the "I do consent". I do not plan on putting my signature on the paper.... Like everyone says, NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS! I do see being forced to homeschool, but if they want everyone immunized, they will do their darnedest to make it happen.... Just really sickens me how they are really forcing this issue now.... It is like they are forcing us to revolt or something, because I think that might happen. Of course, maybe that is what they want.... or maybe they are creating this as a diversion because they are doing some other insidious thing behind our backs or to keep us focussed on this instead of something else???? I know I am very paranoid, but you have to wonder.... Thanks for the info on the phone number. Unfortunately won't do us any good now as our phone with caller id died. Hopefully we will get another soon... I do miss that feature...

On Oct 13, 2011, Kelloggs263@... wrote:

Winnie, I went to this website and read a lot of the complaints people had about receiving these calls, and one of the people paid to do a reverse phone search on the number and found out all this info. about the company. It had their website, and on the site it had a list of surveys they are currently doing, and here's the page about the immunization one:http://www.norc.org/Research/Projects/Pages/national-immunization-survey.aspxIt says they are collecting the info. for the CDC. This whole thing really worries me, because my biggest fear is that the government is slowly moving towards forcing everyone to get immunized regardless of whether they're in school or not and I worry that they're trying to get a list of who's not immunized in preparation for that day. I think if they do make it mandatory, they'll do it very slowly and gradually, but I'm definitely planning on not answering if they call me. I don't want them to have a record of my son not being immunized and it's making me rethink the homeschooling option. Is anyone else worried about this, or do you all think that that would never happen? Didn't they force people to be immunized for certain diseases during outbreaks in the past? I thought I read that somewhere.

[Guest guest]

It's not consent for medical procedures, though. It's consent for the state to look at the records. Since it's the state that requires the records, I find it difficult to believe they don't already have access to them. In fact, I know from a private school (maybe it's different for private?) and from someone else's experience with a daycare center that the state does come in and go through the files looking for vaccination status.

So, why do they need parental permission for that? What have they been doing all these years, trusting the schools to report it and now they don't trust them any more? Something doesn't make sense. Perhaps a signed form gives them permission to do something else?

I would just put a big red X over the whole paper and write in bold, red caps that I do not give permission. Then hand it in to the office. The teacher should have nothing to do with this.

Winnie Re: the call we've been waiting for!! IMPORTANTVaccinations > Schools are not allowed to do anything medical to a student > without explicit parental and child's pediatrician's permission, > in NYS at least. Do not give permission is all I can say. I have > a religious exemption from vaccination in my school district > however we do homeschool for other reasons having nothing to do > with vaccination. I would not sign that paper from the school. > Period. I would write a note that I am not signing that paper > and that I do *not* give consent and leave it at that. They will > put that note in the child's file. The teacher can apply all the > pressure she feels she needs/wants to, you do not have to sign > the paper and I would not. You never have to sign anything and > if she's annoying enough I would actually tell her so in those > words and tell her to not bring up this subject again with you. > She is allowed to teach your child to read, write and do > arithmetic. That's all. They will not legally be allowed to > access the child's medical records. HTH. > > Now, this has nothing to do with the letter IMO, but I would be > having a serious discussion or 10 with my child about the fact > that the teacher does not get to dictate what happens with your > family at home. She is in a hired position to teach your child > to read, write and do arithmetic and that if she oversteps her > bounds, she still does not get to tell your child's parents how > to conduct their family business/lives. She has no authority > beyond basic education in your home. From what you've posted, > your child seems to not understand that you have the ultimate > authority, not her school teacher. - Arlynn> > > > > > > > Winnie, I went to this website and read a lot of the > complaints people had about receiving these calls, and one of > the people paid to do a reverse phone search on the number and > found out all this info. about the company. It had their > website, and on the site it had a list of surveys they are > currently doing, and here's the page about the immunization one:> > > > http://www.norc.org/Research/Projects/Pages/national-> immunization-survey.aspx> > > > It says they are collecting the info. for the CDC. This whole > thing really worries me, because my biggest fear is that the > government is slowly moving towards forcing everyone to get > immunized regardless of whether they're in school or not and I > worry that they're trying to get a list of who's not immunized > in preparation for that day. I think if they do make it > mandatory, they'll do it very slowly and gradually, but I'm > definitely planning on not answering if they call me. I don't > want them to have a record of my son not being immunized and > it's making me rethink the homeschooling option. Is anyone else > worried about this, or do you all think that that would never > happen? Didn't they force people to be immunized for certain > diseases during outbreaks in the past? I thought I read that > somewhere. > >> > >

[Guest guest]

They used to spank children in school 100 years ago too and yet I'd win a HEFTY

lawsuit if a teacher so much as laid a hand on my child in NYS nowadays. I know

that other states have different rules so you need to know **your state's

laws**. No one is claiming that the school personnel are perfect and follow the

letter of their law, but knowing where you stand legally is the starting point

of having a meaningful discussion with your school district about where their

rights end off and your ultimate parental authority begins. At the moment, in

NY, the school's rights end at the child's body/skin and no one is allowed to

touch them or administer anything, including vaccines and any kind of physical

evaluation above the normal educational academics, without parental consent

(commonly for Special Education evals and routine nurse administered eye and ear

checks). And when doing any kind of bodily evaluation such as by a Physical

Therapist and Occupational Therapist, then the child's pediatrician must sign a

Prescription to give authority to the school to conduct the evaluation on your

child, it's not just even from the parent, it must be from the parent AND the

pediatrician. So, frankly, I have no idea what you're talking about in the here

and now. - Arlynn

> >

> >

> > Winnie, I went to this website and read a lot of the complaints people had

about receiving these calls, and one of the people paid to do a reverse phone

search on the number and found out all this info. about the company. It had

their website, and on the site it had a list of surveys they are currently

doing, and here's the page about the immunization one:

> >

> >

http://www.norc.org/Research/Projects/Pages/national-immunization-survey.aspx

> >

> > It says they are collecting the info. for the CDC. This whole thing really

worries me, because my biggest fear is that the government is slowly moving

towards forcing everyone to get immunized regardless of whether they're in

school or not and I worry that they're trying to get a list of who's not

immunized in preparation for that day. I think if they do make it mandatory,

they'll do it very slowly and gradually, but I'm definitely planning on not

answering if they call me. I don't want them to have a record of my son not

being immunized and it's making me rethink the homeschooling option. Is anyone

else worried about this, or do you all think that that would never happen?

Didn't they force people to be immunized for certain diseases during outbreaks

in the past? I thought I read that somewhere.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think the vaccination records are known by the government regardless if they are in school or homeschooled. I have a 1 year old and just turned 4 year old. Neither are in school. Since birth, I receive from the county we live in their vaccination records every few months and which vaccines I need to get them up to date on (they haven't received anything yet). It's annoying to get this letter in the mail every few months.

Vaccinations From: abfab@...Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 01:34:03 +0000Subject: Re: the call we've been waiting for!! IMPORTANT

They used to spank children in school 100 years ago too and yet I'd win a HEFTY lawsuit if a teacher so much as laid a hand on my child in NYS nowadays. I know that other states have different rules so you need to know **your state's laws**. No one is claiming that the school personnel are perfect and follow the letter of their law, but knowing where you stand legally is the starting point of having a meaningful discussion with your school district about where their rights end off and your ultimate parental authority begins. At the moment, in NY, the school's rights end at the child's body/skin and no one is allowed to touch them or administer anything, including vaccines and any kind of physical evaluation above the normal educational academics, without parental consent (commonly for Special Education evals and routine nurse administered eye and ear checks). And when doing any kind of bodily evaluation such as by a Physical Therapist and Occupational Therapist, then the child's pediatrician must sign a Prescription to give authority to the school to conduct the evaluation on your child, it's not just even from the parent, it must be from the parent AND the pediatrician. So, frankly, I have no idea what you're talking about in the here and now. - Arlynn> > > > > > Winnie, I went to this website and read a lot of the complaints people had about receiving these calls, and one of the people paid to do a reverse phone search on the number and found out all this info. about the company. It had their website, and on the site it had a list of surveys they are currently doing, and here's the page about the immunization one:> > > > http://www.norc.org/Research/Projects/Pages/national-immunization-survey.aspx> > > > It says they are collecting the info. for the CDC. This whole thing really worries me, because my biggest fear is that the government is slowly moving towards forcing everyone to get immunized regardless of whether they're in school or not and I worry that they're trying to get a list of who's not immunized in preparation for that day. I think if they do make it mandatory, they'll do it very slowly and gradually, but I'm definitely planning on not answering if they call me. I don't want them to have a record of my son not being immunized and it's making me rethink the homeschooling option. Is anyone else worried about this, or do you all think that that would never happen? Didn't they force people to be immunized for certain diseases during outbreaks in the past? I thought I read that somewhere. > >>

[Guest guest]

Well, in the UK they get away with it all the time. Kids are allowed to consent independently of their parents even if under 16 so often the vaccine letters are sent to the kid rather than the parent and I have heard of loads of cases through my group where the school 'accidently' lost the refusal letter from the parent or 'couldn't find' the consent form saying no so they just vaccinated.Often the child has pressure put on them, everyone else is doing it so why not you? The 'green book' (doctor's vaccine book) also says attendance at school on vaccination day is considered consent to vaccinate unless there is clear indication not to and if they 'lose' the indication....well....I have a friend in the US

who has exemptions and her son was put on detention and threatened with suspension if he did not agree to a H1N1 shot. He was made to go and sit outside the principal's office in disgrace because he said no, that was in Virginia in 2009, so it isn't as simple as 'they can't touch you'.When incidents like this do happen, lawyers aren't interested in suing because they won't even get involved where vaccines are concerned because vaccines are considered beneficial for the child. Jehovah's witnesses who are forcibly given blood can't often sue either.Joanna.From: abfabarlynn <abfab@...>Vaccinations Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2011, 2:34Subject: Re: the call we've been waiting for!! IMPORTANT

They used to spank children in school 100 years ago too and yet I'd win a HEFTY lawsuit if a teacher so much as laid a hand on my child in NYS nowadays. I know that other states have different rules so you need to know **your state's laws**. No one is claiming that the school personnel are perfect and follow the letter of their law, but knowing where you stand legally is the starting point of having a meaningful discussion with your school district about where their rights end off and your ultimate parental authority begins. At the moment, in NY, the school's rights end at the child's body/skin and no one is allowed to touch them or administer anything, including vaccines and any kind of physical evaluation above the normal educational academics, without parental consent (commonly for Special Education evals and routine nurse administered eye and ear checks). And when doing any kind of bodily evaluation such as by a Physical Therapist and

Occupational Therapist, then the child's pediatrician must sign a Prescription to give authority to the school to conduct the evaluation on your child, it's not just even from the parent, it must be from the parent AND the pediatrician. So, frankly, I have no idea what you're talking about in the here and now. - Arlynn

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> >

> > Winnie, I went to this website and read a lot of the complaints people had about receiving these calls, and one of the people paid to do a reverse phone search on the number and found out all this info. about the company. It had their website, and on the site it had a list of surveys they are currently doing, and here's the page about the immunization one:

> >

> > http://www.norc.org/Research/Projects/Pages/national-immunization-survey.aspx

> >

> > It says they are collecting the info. for the CDC. This whole thing really worries me, because my biggest fear is that the government is slowly moving towards forcing everyone to get immunized regardless of whether they're in school or not and I worry that they're trying to get a list of who's not immunized in preparation for that day. I think if they do make it mandatory, they'll do it very slowly and gradually, but I'm definitely planning on not answering if they call me. I don't want them to have a record of my son not being immunized and it's making me rethink the homeschooling option. Is anyone else worried about this, or do you all think that that would never happen? Didn't they force people to be immunized for certain diseases during outbreaks in the past? I thought I read that somewhere.

> >

>

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It's the rare child who would refuse a request and risk humiliation. That is just awful they would do that to him BUT it's good to hear he stood up for himself.

Winnie Re: the call we've been waiting for!! > IMPORTANT> > > They used to spank children in school 100 years ago too and yet > I'd win a HEFTY lawsuit if a teacher so much as laid a hand on > my child in NYS nowadays. I know that other states have > different rules so you need to know **your state's laws**. No > one is claiming that the school personnel are perfect and follow > the letter of their law, but knowing where you stand legally is > the starting point of having a meaningful discussion with your > school district about where their rights end off and your > ultimate parental authority begins. At the moment, in NY, the > school's rights end at the child's body/skin and no one is > allowed to touch them or administer anything, including vaccines > and any kind of physical evaluation above the normal educational > academics, without parental consent (commonly for Special > Education evals and routine nurse administered eye and ear > checks). And when doing any kind of bodily evaluation such as by > a Physical Therapist and Occupational> Therapist, then the child's pediatrician must sign a > Prescription to give authority to the school to conduct the > evaluation on your child, it's not just even from the parent, it > must be from the parent AND the pediatrician. So, frankly, I > have no idea what you're talking about in the here and now. - Arlynn> > > > > > > > > > > Winnie, I went to this website and read a lot of the > complaints people had about receiving these calls, and one of > the people paid to do a reverse phone search on the number and > found out all this info. about the company. It had their > website, and on the site it had a list of surveys they are > currently doing, and here's the page about the immunization one:> > > > > > http://www.norc.org/Research/Projects/Pages/national-> immunization-survey.aspx> > > > > > It says they are collecting the info. for the CDC. This > whole thing really worries me, because my biggest fear is that > the government is slowly moving towards forcing everyone to get > immunized regardless of whether they're in school or not and I > worry that they're trying to get a list of who's not immunized > in preparation for that day. I think if they do make it > mandatory, they'll do it very slowly and gradually, but I'm > definitely planning on not answering if they call me. I don't > want them to have a record of my son not being immunized and > it's making me rethink the homeschooling option. Is anyone else > worried about this, or do you all think that that would never > happen? Didn't they force people to be immunized for certain > diseases during outbreaks in the past? I thought I read that > somewhere. > > >> >> > >

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we had the strap in school, and that was not 100 years ago!

-Kathy

Re: the call we've been waiting for!! IMPORTANT

They used to spank children in school 100 years ago too and yet I'd win a HEFTY lawsuit if a teacher so much as laid a hand on my child in NYS nowadays. I know that other states have different rules so you need to know **your state's laws**. No one is claiming that the school personnel are perfect and follow the letter of their law, but knowing where you stand legally is the starting point of having a meaningful discussion with your school district about where their rights end off and your ultimate parental authority begins. At the moment, in NY, the school's rights end at the child's body/skin and no one is allowed to touch them or administer anything, including vaccines and any kind of physical evaluation above the normal educational academics, without parental consent (commonly for Special Education evals and routine nurse administered eye and ear checks). And when doing any kind of bodily evaluation such as by a Physical Therapist and Occupational Therapist, then the child's pediatrician must sign a Prescription to give authority to the school to conduct the evaluation on your child, it's not just even from the parent, it must be from the parent AND the pediatrician. So, frankly, I have no idea what you're talking about in the here and now. - Arlynn> > > > > > Winnie, I went to this website and read a lot of the complaints people had about receiving these calls, and one of the people paid to do a reverse phone search on the number and found out all this info. about the company. It had their website, and on the site it had a list of surveys they are currently doing, and here's the page about the immunization one:> > > > http://www.norc.org/Research/Projects/Pages/national-immunization-survey.aspx> > > > It says they are collecting the info. for the CDC. This whole thing really worries me, because my biggest fear is that the government is slowly moving towards forcing everyone to get immunized regardless of whether they're in school or not and I worry that they're trying to get a list of who's not immunized in preparation for that day. I think if they do make it mandatory, they'll do it very slowly and gradually, but I'm definitely planning on not answering if they call me. I don't want them to have a record of my son not being immunized and it's making me rethink the homeschooling option. Is anyone else worried about this, or do you all think that that would never happen? Didn't they force people to be immunized for certain diseases during outbreaks in the past? I thought I read that somewhere. > >>------------------------------------

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We had to put on file a “don’t spank my child” form to be kept in her file. It had to be renewed each year but I started homeschooling her after kindergarten and she never went back. She started K in 98. Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 17, 14, 12, 10, Christian RIP: 7/16/03-8/22/04, 6, Isaac 3 and , born 3/1/11http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.comemail me for ideas on fundraising: nitagarner@...NitaSews on etsy.comIf you have melted chocolate on your hands, you're eating it too slowly! we had the strap in school, and that was not 100 years ago! They used to spank children in school 100 years ago too and yet I'd win a HEFTY lawsuit if a teacher so much as laid a hand on my child in NYS nowadays.