Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 I wouldn’t say that is measles, from the pix I’ve seen of it. but keep asking and looking and read dr mendolsohn’s book Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 16, 14, 12, 9, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 5, Isaac 3 and , born 3/1/11http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.comLearn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Is it possible it could be a reaction to something, especially with the red around the mouth and eyes? Also have you looked at rubella pics online? My son had what I thought was rubella. It wasn’t around his mouth or eyes though and he had a high fever. Otherwise it was very mild. From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On Behalf Of ~tammy~Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:49 PMVaccinations Subject: Re: measles (pics) Before Friday she was normal! Here is Friday:http://tinypic.com/r/o6i2qa/7 Here is Saturday:http://tinypic.com/r/vmqjcy/7 and here is Sunday:http://tinypic.com/r/2rcpchs/7 ----- Original Message ----- From: wharrison@... Vaccinations Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 6:44 PMSubject: Re: measles The chances it's rubella? I don't know without seeing it, but if you're going just by the same doctors, I'd say not to bet on it. They are looking for a " vaccine-preventable " disease because she's unvaccinated. It very likely could be an allergic. Did she go to the ER to get an unbiased opinion? Google rubella and then click on " images. " There are many but very few showing eyes at all, let alone swollen shut ones. But you can get an idea of what the rash might look like. I would write down whatever you remember--when it started, what the symptoms were, what new symptoms occurred, fever, behavior, what she ate, where she was (outdoors, with animals), where the rash started and where it traveled too. AND take some pictures, too. Then you can compare what happened with what you think it might be. I know you're worried about your other daughter being pregnant, but all you can do about that is keep her away. She might had have whatever it is (if it's a disease) already anyway. What is being done for it? Winnie Re: measles> > Vaccinations > > > > > At 09:03 PM 7/30/2011, you wrote:> > > >My two kids, ages 1.5 and 3.5 are unvaccintated. My > > > pediatrician > > > >mentioned to me about the measles outbreak. I read that > 90% > > of > > > >measles cases are among the unvacdintated. I now need > > support > > > to > > > >remind myself why this vaccine is not a good idea. --> > > > > > Measles is not a killer disease> > > Better to have immunity from it> > > The vaccine comes in MMR and not separate> > > MMR is harmful - I have seen injury at all ages from > singles > > or MMR> > > > > > Most measles are in vaccinated> > > > > > Next class coming up on Childhood Diseases starts Sept 9> > > http://www.wellwithin1.com/childdiseaseclass.htm> > > for all the details.> > > > > > Sheri> > > listowner> > > > > > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath> > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington > State, USA> > > Vaccines - http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ > > Homeopathy > > > http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com> > > Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy > > > Online/email > > > courses - next classes start September 9> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Signs and Symptoms http://kidshealth.org/parent/infections/skin/german_measles.htmlRubella infection may begin with 1-2 days of mild fever (99-100° F/37.2-37.8° C) and swollen, tender lymph nodes, usually in the back of the neck or behind the ears. A rash then begins on the face and spreads downward. As it spreads, it usually clears on the face. This rash is often the first sign of illness that a parent notices.The rubella rash can look like many other viral rashes. It appears as either pink or light red spots, which may merge to form evenly colored patches. The rash can itch and lasts up to 3 days. As the rash clears, the affected skin occasionally sheds in very fine flakes.Other symptoms of rubella (these are more common in teens and adults) can include headache, loss of appetite, mild conjunctivitis (inflammation of the lining of the eyelids and eyeballs), a stuffy or runny nose, swollen lymph nodes in other parts of the body, and pain and swelling in the joints (especially in young women). Many people with rubella have few or no symptoms. From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On Behalf Of ~tammy~Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:49 PMVaccinations Subject: Re: measles (pics) Before Friday she was normal! Here is Friday:http://tinypic.com/r/o6i2qa/7 Here is Saturday:http://tinypic.com/r/vmqjcy/7 and here is Sunday:http://tinypic.com/r/2rcpchs/7 ----- Original Message ----- From: wharrison@... Vaccinations Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 6:44 PMSubject: Re: measles The chances it's rubella? I don't know without seeing it, but if you're going just by the same doctors, I'd say not to bet on it. They are looking for a " vaccine-preventable " disease because she's unvaccinated. It very likely could be an allergic. Did she go to the ER to get an unbiased opinion? Google rubella and then click on " images. " There are many but very few showing eyes at all, let alone swollen shut ones. But you can get an idea of what the rash might look like. I would write down whatever you remember--when it started, what the symptoms were, what new symptoms occurred, fever, behavior, what she ate, where she was (outdoors, with animals), where the rash started and where it traveled too. AND take some pictures, too. Then you can compare what happened with what you think it might be. I know you're worried about your other daughter being pregnant, but all you can do about that is keep her away. She might had have whatever it is (if it's a disease) already anyway. What is being done for it? Winnie Re: measles> > Vaccinations > > > > > At 09:03 PM 7/30/2011, you wrote:> > > >My two kids, ages 1.5 and 3.5 are unvaccintated. My > > > pediatrician > > > >mentioned to me about the measles outbreak. I read that > 90% > > of > > > >measles cases are among the unvacdintated. I now need > > support > > > to > > > >remind myself why this vaccine is not a good idea. --> > > > > > Measles is not a killer disease> > > Better to have immunity from it> > > The vaccine comes in MMR and not separate> > > MMR is harmful - I have seen injury at all ages from > singles > > or MMR> > > > > > Most measles are in vaccinated> > > > > > Next class coming up on Childhood Diseases starts Sept 9> > > http://www.wellwithin1.com/childdiseaseclass.htm> > > for all the details.> > > > > > Sheri> > > listowner> > > > > > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath> > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington > State, USA> > > Vaccines - http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ > > Homeopathy > > > http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com> > > Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy > > > Online/email > > > courses - next classes start September 9> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Before Friday she was normal! Here is Friday: http://tinypic.com/r/o6i2qa/7 Here is Saturday: http://tinypic.com/r/vmqjcy/7 and here is Sunday: http://tinypic.com/r/2rcpchs/7 Re: measles> > Vaccinations > > > > > At 09:03 PM 7/30/2011, you wrote:> > > >My two kids, ages 1.5 and 3.5 are unvaccintated. My > > > pediatrician > > > >mentioned to me about the measles outbreak. I read that > 90% > > of > > > >measles cases are among the unvacdintated. I now need > > support > > > to > > > >remind myself why this vaccine is not a good idea. --> > > > > > Measles is not a killer disease> > > Better to have immunity from it> > > The vaccine comes in MMR and not separate> > > MMR is harmful - I have seen injury at all ages from > singles > > or MMR> > > > > > Most measles are in vaccinated> > > > > > Next class coming up on Childhood Diseases starts Sept 9> > > http://www.wellwithin1.com/childdiseaseclass.htm> > > for all the details.> > > > > > Sheri> > > listowner> > > > > > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath> > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington > State, USA> > > Vaccines - http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ > > Homeopathy > > > http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com> > > Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy > > > Online/email > > > courses - next classes start September 9> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Oh, how lovely (her, too!). What strikes me first is that the rash seems to be heavy around her mouth and eyes, but is not speckly like the rest of her body. Second, it is all over her body within a day. Plus, she does have the runny nose which points to illness more than an allergic reaction. According to here: (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/rubella/DS00332/DSECTION=symptoms) the rubella rash does spread quickly and last 2-3 days (in fact, it's called the 3-day rash). Here: (http://kidshealth.org/parent/infections/skin/german_measles.html) it says the rash will clear from the face as it spreads down so that could explain why it's different on her face in the pic. Keep taking pics and note how she is on Monday and Tuesday. It's curious how the rash is concentrated around her mouth. I'd say it's more likely rubella than measles, which takes longer to spread down the body: (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/measles/DS00331/DSECTION=symptoms) and she should have white spots in her mouth with measles (not sure it they have to be there, but if they are...). But it might be neither. It could be roseola: (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/roseola/DS00452/DSECTION=symptoms). I wonder if it's actually the same as rubella... Thinking back, my youngest used to get similar all body rashes like this. It used to wig me out but he's just fine now. I'd treat it as any illness--Vit. C, quercetin, Larix, homeopathics. Keep us updated! Winnie Re: measles (pics)Vaccinations > Before Friday she was normal!> > Here is Friday:> http://tinypic.com/r/o6i2qa/7> > Here is Saturday:> http://tinypic.com/r/vmqjcy/7> > and here is Sunday:> http://tinypic.com/r/2rcpchs/7> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 No fever even? I'd go back and see what she ate that was different lately. Poor kid, whatever the cause. I'd cry, too! Winnie Re: measles (pics)> Vaccinations > > > Before Friday she was normal!> > > > Here is Friday:> > http://tinypic.com/r/o6i2qa/7> > > > Here is Saturday:> > http://tinypic.com/r/vmqjcy/7> > > > and here is Sunday:> > http://tinypic.com/r/2rcpchs/7> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Fifth Disease?????Vaccinations From: tamrowland@...Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:49:05 -0600Subject: Re: measles (pics) Before Friday she was normal! Here is Friday: http://tinypic.com/r/o6i2qa/7 Here is Saturday: http://tinypic.com/r/vmqjcy/7 and here is Sunday: http://tinypic.com/r/2rcpchs/7 Re: measles> > Vaccinations > > > > > At 09:03 PM 7/30/2011, you wrote:> > > >My two kids, ages 1.5 and 3.5 are unvaccintated. My > > > pediatrician > > > >mentioned to me about the measles outbreak. I read that > 90% > > of > > > >measles cases are among the unvacdintated. I now need > > support > > > to > > > >remind myself why this vaccine is not a good idea. --> > > > > > Measles is not a killer disease> > > Better to have immunity from it> > > The vaccine comes in MMR and not separate> > > MMR is harmful - I have seen injury at all ages from > singles > > or MMR> > > > > > Most measles are in vaccinated> > > > > > Next class coming up on Childhood Diseases starts Sept 9> > > http://www.wellwithin1.com/childdiseaseclass.htm> > > for all the details.> > > > > > Sheri> > > listowner> > > > > > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath> > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington > State, USA> > > Vaccines - http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ > > Homeopathy > > > http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com> > > Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy > > > Online/email > > > courses - next classes start September 9> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Tammy,i just wanted to chime in and say she is absolutely ADORABLE !!!!!!!!! what a cutie pie !!!! and she looks so miserable :( I hope you can find a naturopath or an herbalist (or anyone) who could help you along the way.... good luck - deb On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Garbarino <kimgarba@...> wrote: Fifth Disease?????Vaccinations From: tamrowland@...Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:49:05 -0600Subject: Re: measles (pics) Before Friday she was normal! Here is Friday: http://tinypic.com/r/o6i2qa/7 Here is Saturday: http://tinypic.com/r/vmqjcy/7 and here is Sunday: http://tinypic.com/r/2rcpchs/7 Re: measles> > Vaccinations > > > > > At 09:03 PM 7/30/2011, you wrote:> > > >My two kids, ages 1.5 and 3.5 are unvaccintated. My > > > pediatrician > > > >mentioned to me about the measles outbreak. I read that > 90% > > of > > > >measles cases are among the unvacdintated. I now need > > support > > > to > > > >remind myself why this vaccine is not a good idea. --> > > > > > Measles is not a killer disease> > > Better to have immunity from it> > > The vaccine comes in MMR and not separate> > > MMR is harmful - I have seen injury at all ages from > singles > > or MMR> > > > > > Most measles are in vaccinated> > > > > > Next class coming up on Childhood Diseases starts Sept 9> > > http://www.wellwithin1.com/childdiseaseclass.htm> > > for all the details.> > > > > > Sheri> > > listowner> > > > > > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath> > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington > State, USA> > > Vaccines - http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ > > Homeopathy > > > http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com> > > Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy > > > Online/email > > > courses - next classes start September 9> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 I have to say that she does not have a runny nose (only when she has been crying) so in the picture she had just finished crying. No cough, no other symptoms except for the swollen glands behind the ears, so it very well could be rubella. I believe the only way she could have gotten it is from someone who was vaccinated!! I will keep you posted. thank you!!! Re: measles (pics)Vaccinations > Before Friday she was normal!> > Here is Friday:> http://tinypic.com/r/o6i2qa/7> > Here is Saturday:> http://tinypic.com/r/vmqjcy/7> > and here is Sunday:> http://tinypic.com/r/2rcpchs/7> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 poor baby she looks miserable it is still hard to tell I would give Vitamin A, 2 days of high doses in case it is measles. I also would give higher doses of Vitamin C as I describe here Will post again What are her other symptoms? What is her mood like? It doesn't matter what the 'name' of it is - if she is miserable and getting worse, just treat the symptoms with homeopathy Was she exposed to anything new on Friday? Sheri Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA Vaccines - http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ Homeopathy http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes start September 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 children are not usually very sick with rubella Scarlet fever is another possibility - does she seem like she has a sore throat? Sheri At 09:33 PM 8/1/2011, you wrote: I have to say that she does not have a runny nose (only when she has been crying) so in the picture she had just finished crying. No cough, no other symptoms except for the swollen glands behind the ears, so it very well could be rubella. I believe the only way she could have gotten it is from someone who was vaccinated!! I will keep you posted. thank you!!! Re: measles (pics) Vaccinations > Before Friday she was normal! > > Here is Friday: > http://tinypic.com/r/o6i2qa/7 > > Here is Saturday: > http://tinypic.com/r/vmqjcy/7 > > and here is Sunday: > http://tinypic.com/r/2rcpchs/7 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Thank you for the help! Yes, I think she is adorable also! I thought about the fifth disease also, but she doesn't have any of those symptoms however. She only ran a very low grade fever one day (Saturday) and it was 99.1 Here is a picture of her before she got sick: http://tinypic.com/r/2zrlu86/7 Tammy, i just wanted to chime in and say she is absolutely ADORABLE !!!!!!!!! what a cutie pie !!!! and she looks so miserable :( I hope you can find a naturopath or an herbalist (or anyone) who could help you along the way.... good luck - deb On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Garbarino <kimgarba@...> wrote: Fifth Disease????? Vaccinations From: tamrowland@...Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:49:05 -0600 Subject: Re: measles (pics) Before Friday she was normal! Here is Friday: http://tinypic.com/r/o6i2qa/7 Here is Saturday: http://tinypic.com/r/vmqjcy/7 and here is Sunday: http://tinypic.com/r/2rcpchs/7 Re: measles> > Vaccinations > > > > > At 09:03 PM 7/30/2011, you wrote:> > > >My two kids, ages 1.5 and 3.5 are unvaccintated. My > > > pediatrician > > > >mentioned to me about the measles outbreak. I read that > 90% > > of > > > >measles cases are among the unvacdintated. I now need > > support > > > to > > > >remind myself why this vaccine is not a good idea. --> > > > > > Measles is not a killer disease> > > Better to have immunity from it> > > The vaccine comes in MMR and not separate> > > MMR is harmful - I have seen injury at all ages from > singles > > or MMR> > > > > > Most measles are in vaccinated> > > > > > Next class coming up on Childhood Diseases starts Sept 9> > > http://www.wellwithin1.com/childdiseaseclass.htm> > > for all the details.> > > > > > Sheri> > > listowner> > > > > > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath> > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington > State, USA> > > Vaccines - http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ > > Homeopathy > > > http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com> > > Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy > > > Online/email > > > courses - next classes start September 9> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 No, she doesn't seem to be sick, just complaining of her eyes and today she said she has been pulling on her ears. They said she had swollen glands, just found this out. I might want to add that my daughter and granddaughter live 70 miles away so I am only communicating through phone and text. I did mention the swollen glands in a previous post. thank you everyone!!! ~tam Re: measles (pics) Vaccinations > Before Friday she was normal! > > Here is Friday: > http://tinypic.com/r/o6i2qa/7 > > Here is Saturday: > http://tinypic.com/r/vmqjcy/7 > > and here is Sunday: > http://tinypic.com/r/2rcpchs/7 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Oh my, she is adorable! From: ~tammy~ Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:54 AM Vaccinations Subject: Re: measles (pics) Thank you for the help! Yes, I think she is adorable also! I thought about the fifth disease also, but she doesn't have any of those symptoms however. She only ran a very low grade fever one day (Saturday) and it was 99.1 Here is a picture of her before she got sick: http://tinypic.com/r/2zrlu86/7 Tammy, i just wanted to chime in and say she is absolutely ADORABLE !!!!!!!!! what a cutie pie !!!! and she looks so miserable :( I hope you can find a naturopath or an herbalist (or anyone) who could help you along the way.... good luck - deb On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Garbarino <kimgarba@...> wrote: Fifth Disease????? Vaccinations From: tamrowland@...Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:49:05 -0600 Subject: Re: measles (pics) Before Friday she was normal! Here is Friday: http://tinypic.com/r/o6i2qa/7 Here is Saturday: http://tinypic.com/r/vmqjcy/7 and here is Sunday: http://tinypic.com/r/2rcpchs/7 Re: measles> > Vaccinations > > > > > At 09:03 PM 7/30/2011, you wrote:> > > >My two kids, ages 1.5 and 3.5 are unvaccintated. My > > > pediatrician > > > >mentioned to me about the measles outbreak. I read that > 90% > > of > > > >measles cases are among the unvacdintated. I now need > > support > > > to > > > >remind myself why this vaccine is not a good idea. --> > > > > > Measles is not a killer disease> > > Better to have immunity from it> > > The vaccine comes in MMR and not separate> > > MMR is harmful - I have seen injury at all ages from > singles > > or MMR> > > > > > Most measles are in vaccinated> > > > > > Next class coming up on Childhood Diseases starts Sept 9> > > http://www.wellwithin1.com/childdiseaseclass.htm> > > for all the details.> > > > > > Sheri> > > listowner> > > > > > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath> > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington > State, USA> > > Vaccines - http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ > > Homeopathy > > > http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com> > > Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy > > > Online/email > > > courses - next classes start September 9> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 You know, a thought occurred to me this morning. The first doc declared this was measles and sent them on their way--not much concern at all for what is supposed to be such a "deadly" disease requiring repeated mass vaccination of all children in the world. Plus, at least in CT, measles is a Category 1 disease (highest rating) and is to be reported immediately by phone if merely suspected, not even confirmed. Yet, he sent them off untreated. But for all we know he did report it, so you might want to make your daughter aware in case someone comes knocking on her door. It would be good to have something in hand with another diagnosis. Anyway, the body can react in the same way to a real disease and to a perceived one (allergy) the same way. So, swollen glands don't necessarily point to an illness--although I'd think a fever would. But hers was low and just for a day--could have been the heat? Winnie Re: measles (pics)> > Vaccinations > > > > Before Friday she was normal!> > > > > > Here is Friday:> > > http://tinypic.com/r/o6i2qa/7> > > > > > Here is Saturday:> > > http://tinypic.com/r/vmqjcy/7> > > > > > and here is Sunday:> > > http://tinypic.com/r/2rcpchs/7> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 To me, it looks a lot like an allergic reaction. My friend's daughter used to get like that when exposed to perfumes, lotions, and laundry soap. My ex-husband looked like that after petting a horse. Tory Sent from my iPod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 This is also what I’m thinking. My daughter at about that age and until 2 would get atopic dermatitis and in some cases her face and eyes would swell too. How long did the swelling last? I’ve also read that children get low grade temps up to 99.6 just from the heat. From: Tory Eastep Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 12:16 PM Vaccinations Subject: Re: measles (pics) To me, it looks a lot like an allergic reaction. My friend's daughter used to get like that when exposed to perfumes, lotions, and laundry soap. My ex-husband looked like that after petting a horse.TorySent from my iPod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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