measles

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ACOG has had a problems since 1980 requiring all ob/gyns to be up to date on their MMR boosters; most ob/gyns refuse the MMR booster because of its well known side effects on adults - arthritis. They consider their job so important that the do not want to cripple themselves. That is a good enough reason for all of us. I am too important also. But then I have survived measles, mumps, and rubella. ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ From: Sheri Nakken <vaccinedangers@...>Vaccinations Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 10:03 AMSubject: Re: measles

At 09:03 PM 7/30/2011, you wrote:

My two kids, ages 1.5 and 3.5

are unvaccintated. My pediatrician mentioned to me about the

measles outbreak. I read that 90% of measles cases are among the

unvacdintated. I now need support to remind myself why this vaccine

is not a good idea. --

Measles is not a killer disease

Better to have immunity from it

The vaccine comes in MMR and not separate

MMR is harmful - I have seen injury at all ages from singles or

MMR

Most measles are in vaccinated

Next class coming up on Childhood Diseases starts Sept 9

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for all the details.

Sheri

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Homeopath

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I'm assuming you mean my post? From what I have read online a cough is very much a part of measles. That surprised me because I always thought that it was only a high fever/rash. It didn't sound like a whooping cough type of cough and the cough didn't last longer than a 1 1/2 weeks. I would have thought that if it was whooping cough that it would be more severe and last longer. He never gasped for air. He did have a rash on his face for a few days but it wasn't anything crazy and it didn't spread to the rest of his body. You do not need to get a rash to have measles. There was a case of a 12 year old unvaccinated girl who lives here who never developed a rash, went to three different emergency rooms/clinics

and at the last one a Dr. finally ran a blood test for measles and it came up positive. Her regular Dr. who is a DO/family practice told me about it when I went in for an appt. of my own. She was trying to tell me why she supports vaccination. It was sad because she did mention briefly that death could be a result but she was more focused on how much money that case cost her. This girl went to her clinic in the first 2 days of the sickness and it was not recognized as measles. When they found out that it was indeed measles they tested everyone in the building and 3 people did not have enough of a titer count and had to stay home for 10 days. With all the testing and lost pay it cost their practice $60,000. THAT was what she was the most upset about. She said that the Dr. who decided to run the blood test must have been 80 yrs. old because no Dr. knows what measles looks like anymore.

I brought my little guy to the chiro 4 times the first week of his sickness. They said that I could not rule out measles. I also brought my 5 year old after the first week and they said that he was fighting the same illness because he needed to be adjusted in the same areas. The difference was that I had been giving my 5 year old a homeopathic remedy to boost his immune system for at least a month prior due to his allergies. He has autoimmune problems so when this remedy actually allowed his body to mount a response to this sickness and to win over it and not get sick, I was over the moon happy. He always gets sick. I'm continuing this immune remedy because he is doing so well with it. I've also started to give it to my 2 year old. I've never done homeopathic stuff before but I am now a

believer!CameronFrom: Vis-a-Vis Wellness <visaviswellness@...>Vaccinations Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 8:15 AMSubject: Re: measles

From what you described about your child, I wonder why you don't suspect whooping cough, not measles. Measles has a distinctive rash and you didn't mention that. It's not known for having lung/cough symptoms, but maybe your child could be susceptible to that sequelae, especially if the high fever was suppressed with tylenol or motrin. Still, it could have been pertussis, rather than measles.

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It cost their practice over $60K? Well, that was their choice to test everyone and make people stay home. How about the thousands it cost ME when my child was having a life-threatening reaction to his MMR? How about that money, money to the peds, the ER's, the pharmacies and ultimately to the naturopath to finally mop up the peds' mess?

How about the cost to my child's HEALTH over the next several years and to mine with the lost sleep and stress? No, I'm not feeling one wave of pity for that doctor. I had no choice to respond to my child's dilemma. They had a choice.

Winnie Re: measles> > > > From what you described about your child, I wonder why you don't > suspect whooping cough, not measles. Measles has a distinctive > rash and you didn't mention that. It's not known for having > lung/cough symptoms, but maybe your child could be susceptible > to that sequelae, especially if the high fever was suppressed > with tylenol or motrin. Still, it could have been pertussis, > rather than measles.> > > Ruth Pearson > The finest compliment I can receive is a referral. Thank you for > remembering me when your friends, family, and co-workers > need homeopathic care.> > Vis-à-Vis Wellness> www.Vis-a-VisWellness.com> 954-567-4449> This message is for the designated recipient only and may > contain privileged, proprietary or otherwise private > information. If you have received it in error, please notify Vis-> a-Vis Wellness immediately and delete the original. Any further > use of this email is prohibited. >

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thank you for replying and yes my daughter is going to take my granddaughter to someone else.

And No she is not having any other symptoms of measles except for the rash.

I even told her to go to another town if she did not improve.

I'll keep you posted if you would like?

thanks,

~tam

Re: measles> Vaccinations > > > At 09:03 PM 7/30/2011, you wrote:> > >My two kids, ages 1.5 and 3.5 are unvaccintated. My > > pediatrician > > >mentioned to me about the measles outbreak. I read that 90% > of > > >measles cases are among the unvacdintated. I now need > support > > to > > >remind myself why this vaccine is not a good idea. --> > > > Measles is not a killer disease> > Better to have immunity from it> > The vaccine comes in MMR and not separate> > MMR is harmful - I have seen injury at all ages from singles > or MMR> > > > Most measles are in vaccinated> > > > Next class coming up on Childhood Diseases starts Sept 9> > http://www.wellwithin1.com/childdiseaseclass.htm> > for all the details.> > > > Sheri> > listowner> > > > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath> > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA> > Vaccines - http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ > Homeopathy > > http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com> > Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy > > Online/email > > courses - next classes start September 9> > > > > > > >

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She went to a different doctor and now they think she has

Rubella???

And my other daughter is pregnant?? what are the changes that this is a case of rebella????

what are your thought?? anyone??

Re: measles> Vaccinations > > > At 09:03 PM 7/30/2011, you wrote:> > >My two kids, ages 1.5 and 3.5 are unvaccintated. My > > pediatrician > > >mentioned to me about the measles outbreak. I read that 90% > of > > >measles cases are among the unvacdintated. I now need > support > > to > > >remind myself why this vaccine is not a good idea. --> > > > Measles is not a killer disease> > Better to have immunity from it> > The vaccine comes in MMR and not separate> > MMR is harmful - I have seen injury at all ages from singles > or MMR> > > > Most measles are in vaccinated> > > > Next class coming up on Childhood Diseases starts Sept 9> > http://www.wellwithin1.com/childdiseaseclass.htm> > for all the details.> > > > Sheri> > listowner> > > > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath> > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA> > Vaccines - http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ > Homeopathy > > http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com> > Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy > > Online/email > > courses - next classes start September 9> > > > > > > >

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The chances it's rubella? I don't know without seeing it, but if you're going just by the same doctors, I'd say not to bet on it. They are looking for a "vaccine-preventable" disease because she's unvaccinated. It very likely could be an allergic. Did she go to the ER to get an unbiased opinion?

Google rubella and then click on "images." There are many but very few showing eyes at all, let alone swollen shut ones. But you can get an idea of what the rash might look like.

I would write down whatever you remember--when it started, what the symptoms were, what new symptoms occurred, fever, behavior, what she ate, where she was (outdoors, with animals), where the rash started and where it traveled too.

AND take some pictures, too. Then you can compare what happened with what you think it might be. I know you're worried about your other daughter being pregnant, but all you can do about that is keep her away. She might had have whatever it is (if it's a disease) already anyway.

What is being done for it?

Winnie

Re: measles> > Vaccinations > > > > > At 09:03 PM 7/30/2011, you wrote:> > > >My two kids, ages 1.5 and 3.5 are unvaccintated. My > > > pediatrician > > > >mentioned to me about the measles outbreak. I read that > 90% > > of > > > >measles cases are among the unvacdintated. I now need > > support > > > to > > > >remind myself why this vaccine is not a good idea. --> > > > > > Measles is not a killer disease> > > Better to have immunity from it> > > The vaccine comes in MMR and not separate> > > MMR is harmful - I have seen injury at all ages from > singles > > or MMR> > > > > > Most measles are in vaccinated> > > > > > Next class coming up on Childhood Diseases starts Sept 9> > > http://www.wellwithin1.com/childdiseaseclass.htm> > > for all the details.> > > > > > Sheri> > > listowner> > > > > > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath> > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington > State, USA> > > Vaccines - http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ > > Homeopathy > > > http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com> > > Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy > > > Online/email > > > courses - next classes start September 9> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Sorry, I missed that you said it was a different doctor. Do they know she was unvaxed?

Winnie

Re: measles> > > Vaccinations > > > > > > > At 09:03 PM 7/30/2011, you wrote:> > > > >My two kids, ages 1.5 and 3.5 are unvaccintated. My > > > > pediatrician > > > > >mentioned to me about the measles outbreak. I read that > > 90% > > > of > > > > >measles cases are among the unvacdintated. I now need > > > support > > > > to > > > > >remind myself why this vaccine is not a good idea. --> > > > > > > > Measles is not a killer disease> > > > Better to have immunity from it> > > > The vaccine comes in MMR and not separate> > > > MMR is harmful - I have seen injury at all ages from > > singles > > > or MMR> > > > > > > > Most measles are in vaccinated> > > > > > > > Next class coming up on Childhood Diseases starts Sept 9> > > > http://www.wellwithin1.com/childdiseaseclass.htm> > > > for all the details.> > > > > > > > Sheri> > > > listowner> > > > > > > > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath> > > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington > > State, USA> > > > Vaccines - http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ > > > Homeopathy > > > > http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com> > > > Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy > > > > Online/email > > > > courses - next classes start September 9> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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well she can keep going to doctors and get a different diagnosis from

each one

rubella doesn't have the symptoms described.

Sheri

At 05:02 PM 8/1/2011, you wrote:

She went to a

different doctor and now they think she has

Rubella???

And my other daughter is pregnant?? what are the changes

that this is a case of rebella????

what are your thought?? anyone??

Re: measles

> Vaccinations

>

> > At 09:03 PM 7/30/2011, you wrote:

> > >My two kids, ages 1.5 and 3.5 are unvaccintated. My

> > pediatrician

> > >mentioned to me about the measles outbreak. I read that

90%

> of

> > >measles cases are among the unvacdintated. I now need

> support

> > to

> > >remind myself why this vaccine is not a good idea.

--

> >

> > Measles is not a killer disease

> > Better to have immunity from it

> > The vaccine comes in MMR and not separate

> > MMR is harmful - I have seen injury at all ages from

singles

> or MMR

> >

> > Most measles are in vaccinated

> >

> > Next class coming up on Childhood Diseases starts Sept

9

> >

http://www.wellwithin1.com/childdiseaseclass.htm

> > for all the details.

> >

> > Sheri

> > listowner

> >

> > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington

State, USA

> > Vaccines -

http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/

> Homeopathy

> >

http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com

> > Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy

> > Online/email

> > courses - next classes start September 9

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Homeopathic pertussis (pertussin) has been used to prevent whooping cough. You can get that through your homeopath along with instructions on how to take it.

There are homeopathic remedies that have been used to prevent diseases. There's also a homeoprophylaxis study that uses homeopathic remedies to replicate the current vaccine schedule and then gathers data to see the effectiveness of homeopathic prevention. If you're interested in more information, email me. I'm a supervisor in the program (and a homeopath).

Regards,Ruth Pearson

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Whooping Cough

Posted by: "cclan397" refinersfire97@... cclan397

Tue Aug 2, 2011 10:20 am (PDT)

Hi everyone, I really need your help to strengthen my resolve to not vaccinate my kids. I am a mom of 4 and we haven't vaccinated our kids since our youngest was born who is now 4 years old. (My oldest is the only one who was fully vaccinated). I have been pretty confident of our decision to stop vaccinating the kids. However, the recent whooping cough illnesses has been making me nervous. Two of my kids have asthma and one of them always ends up having bad vomiting spells when she gets sick with a cold. The vomiting spells often keep her from eating for 2 to 3 days and a couple of time she has been hospitalized for dehydration. So, I am really scared of what whooping cough would do if my kids get infected by it. I just found out this weekend that our friend's kids have the whooping cough and have been sick for at least 50 days now. Hearing that

whooping cough is now close to home I am really getting nervous for my kids. A part of me is thinking if I vaccinate them then they wouldn't have to go through that terrible sickness. It is hard enough to see my daughter sick with a common cold and vomit so much that I just can't imagine how she would handle an even worse sickness. I want to do what is right for my kids.

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thanks for sharing that Ruth

But I am not 'for' such a thing.

The key is to learn the reality and let go of fear of disease, not

continue to have fear and feel you have to 'do' something to prevent

these illnesses.

I will share some of that info again

Sheri

listowner

At 08:03 AM 8/3/2011, you wrote:

Homeopathic pertussis

(pertussin) has been used to prevent whooping cough. You can get

that through your homeopath along with instructions on how to take

it.

There are homeopathic remedies that have been used to prevent

diseases. There's also a homeoprophylaxis study that uses

homeopathic remedies to replicate the current vaccine schedule and then

gathers data to see the effectiveness of homeopathic prevention. If

you're interested in more information, email me. I'm a supervisor

in the program (and a homeopath).

Regards,

Ruth Pearson

The finest compliment I can receive is a referral. Thank you for

remembering me when your friends, family, and co-workers need homeopathic

care.

Vis-à-Vis Wellness

www.Vis-a-VisWellness.com

954-567-4449

This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain

privileged, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have

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Whooping Cough

Posted by: " cclan397 "

refinersfire97@...

cclan397

Tue Aug 2, 2011 10:20 am (PDT)

Hi everyone, I really need your help to strengthen my resolve to not

vaccinate my kids. I am a mom of 4 and we haven't vaccinated our kids

since our youngest was born who is now 4 years old. (My oldest is the

only one who was fully vaccinated). I have been pretty confident of our

decision to stop vaccinating the kids. However, the recent whooping cough

illnesses has been making me nervous. Two of my kids have asthma and one

of them always ends up having bad vomiting spells when she gets sick with

a cold. The vomiting spells often keep her from eating for 2 to 3 days

and a couple of time she has been hospitalized for dehydration. So, I am

really scared of what whooping cough would do if my kids get infected by

it. I just found out this weekend that our friend's kids have the

whooping cough and have been sick for at least 50 days now. Hearing that

whooping cough is now close to home I am really getting nervous for my

kids. A part of me is thinking if I vaccinate them then they wouldn't

have to go through that terrible sickness. It is hard enough to see my

daughter sick with a common cold and vomit so much that I just can't

imagine how she would handle an even worse sickness. I want to do what is

right for my kids.