Re: Re: Why is Tylenol so bad

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yes, vaccines, antibiotics and tylenol. Causing huge problems,

singly or in combo

Sheri

At 04:31 PM 7/9/2011, you wrote:

>Yes, it is truly " pouring grease on the fire " when given along with

>vaccines. I believe Tylenol is a big factor in the autism epidemic.

>The kids that might have escaped a full fledged autism diagnosis by

>vaccine injury were pushed into the severe catagory by the use of Tylenol.

>

>I have two boys with vaccine induced autism. My oldest was showing

>signs of trouble. This is back in the mid to late 90's, so I had no

>idea about the vaccine link to neurological/developmental dealy. I

>never gave my oldest Tylenol when he was vaccinated, even though

>that was standard practice. I just didn't believe in giving drugs

>unless needed. (yes, I am aware of the irony of the massive vaccines

>I allowed him to have!)

>

>When my youngest was born, I resolved to do " everything by the book "

>with him, since we had so many concerns with his older brothers

>development. So this included following doctors orders to the T, and

>we gave him Tylenol before and after his vaccine appointments. The

>results were devastating. My youngest had SEVERE reactions. TEXTBOOK

>examples of encephalopathy; high pitched scream with arched back,

>projectile vomiting, fever, etc. I was scared out of my mind, but

>the pediatricians office blew me off with the typical response of

> " it is normal for babies to be fussy after vaccinations " . So we

>continued with the shot appointments. Untill his 9 month

>appointment. He lost all skills, got that 'blank look' and was

>diagnosed with severe autism at age 23 months. A few years later we

>ran a bunch of tests, which revealed he is GSTM1 - null, meaning he

>is missing one of the critical enzymes for producing glutathione.

>This is not an uncommon thing. Many people are naturally low on

>glutathione. The combination of being low already, injecting toxins

>AND giving a drug that wipes out what little glutathione he has, was

>pure stupidity. But that was over 12 years ago, and little has

>changed. This is still standard practice in pediatricians office

>around the globe.

>

>So my oldest son (no Tylenol, but vaccinated) is mildly autistic,

>and my youngest (lots of Tylenol and vaccinated) is severely

>autistic and non-verbal.

>

>I feel very strongly that parents need to know about the risks of

>Tylenol. A very dangerous drug!

>

>Sylvia

>

>

> >

> > > I've been on this group for about a year now, and I often hear

> about how bad Tylenol is. I know that it can be bad for your liver

> or something if taken often, but beyond that, I was wondering if I

> could be enlightened on why it is bad to take every once in a

> while. I use homeopathy now, so I don't have much need of it, but

> was wondering what I would say to someone if they asked me why I don't use it.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Amy

> > >

> > >

> >

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I always used lots of water to prevent dehydration, and sponge baths. ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ From: <trtlhd@...>Subject: Re: Why is Tylenol so badVaccinations Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011, 7:05 PM

Amy or anybody - What kind of homeopathy do you use for fever management in your children? I just assumed Tylenol was better than Ibuprophen, so I use Tylenol. I would like to have an alternative though. Thanks!

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You don't manage fever. You let it do its job. It's the underlying cause that you need to be concerned about. Most times it's not anything serious. Kids get fevers, they throw up, they get rashes--it's the body's way of getting rid of the illness.

But I would, and have, used homeopathy when there's a fever, not to get rid of the fever but to speed the healing so the fever isn't needed. I will usually consider Belladonna or Pulsatilla first but like to look over the other choices, too. Do you have a good homeopathy book?

Winnie Re: Why is Tylenol so badVaccinations > Amy or anybody - What kind of homeopathy do you use for fever > management in your children? I just assumed Tylenol was better > than Ibuprophen, so I use Tylenol. I would like to have an > alternative though. Thanks! > > >

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I just met a woman today at my son's baseball game whose daughter had a raging fever at birth (she did get the Hep B vaccine). The docs scanned her, I think ultrasound, strapped this little baby down, catherized her for a urine sample after suspected some structural problem with the ureters ( I think I have this right) because that was the first thing they looked at with a fever that high. And they found serious problems which were later addressed surgically. The docs blamed the ureter problem for the fever. Couldn't have been the vaccine, oh no, but a complex situation anyway.

BUT regardless of the reason, the child was pumped full of antibiotics and Tylenol, given other scans every few weeks, with dye, and fast forward to now at age 8 or so is autistic, although not severely.

The mom went through hell trying one thing after another to address behavioral and learning problems, not disruptive but withdrawn and shy--all her kids had ear infections, tubes, andenoid surgery, and this little girl had Sensory Integration Therapy, and a number of other alternative treatments, including diet, no dairy, etc. Amazingly, the mom never heard of DAN. Naturally I clued her into that, and the connection to vaccines, antibiotics and Tylenol. But what a classic example of what can happen with the crap, which I suspect started with the damn Hep B vaccine. Perhaps it wouldn't have been as bad if that hadn't been a factor.

One of these days I'll be able to watch my son's baseball games without these conversations. I really don't know how I get sucked into them. Probably because I can't keep silent when I hear people complain.

Winnie Re: Re: Why is Tylenol so badVaccinations > yes, vaccines, antibiotics and tylenol. Causing huge problems, > singly or in combo> Sheri> > At 04:31 PM 7/9/2011, you wrote:> >Yes, it is truly "pouring grease on the fire" when given along > with > >vaccines. I believe Tylenol is a big factor in the autism > epidemic. > >The kids that might have escaped a full fledged autism > diagnosis by > >vaccine injury were pushed into the severe catagory by the use > of Tylenol.> >> >I have two boys with vaccine induced autism. My oldest was > showing > >signs of trouble. This is back in the mid to late 90's, so I > had no > >idea about the vaccine link to neurological/developmental > dealy. I > >never gave my oldest Tylenol when he was vaccinated, even > though > >that was standard practice. I just didn't believe in giving > drugs > >unless needed. (yes, I am aware of the irony of the massive > vaccines > >I allowed him to have!)> >> >When my youngest was born, I resolved to do "everything by the > book" > >with him, since we had so many concerns with his older brothers > >development. So this included following doctors orders to the > T, and > >we gave him Tylenol before and after his vaccine appointments. > The > >results were devastating. My youngest had SEVERE reactions. > TEXTBOOK > >examples of encephalopathy; high pitched scream with arched > back, > >projectile vomiting, fever, etc. I was scared out of my mind, > but > >the pediatricians office blew me off with the typical response > of > >"it is normal for babies to be fussy after vaccinations". So we > >continued with the shot appointments. Untill his 9 month > >appointment. He lost all skills, got that 'blank look' and was > >diagnosed with severe autism at age 23 months. A few years > later we > >ran a bunch of tests, which revealed he is GSTM1 - null, > meaning he > >is missing one of the critical enzymes for producing > glutathione. > >This is not an uncommon thing. Many people are naturally low on > >glutathione. The combination of being low already, injecting > toxins > >AND giving a drug that wipes out what little glutathione he > has, was > >pure stupidity. But that was over 12 years ago, and little has > >changed. This is still standard practice in pediatricians > office > >around the globe.> >> >So my oldest son (no Tylenol, but vaccinated) is mildly > autistic, > >and my youngest (lots of Tylenol and vaccinated) is severely > >autistic and non-verbal.> >> >I feel very strongly that parents need to know about the risks > of > >Tylenol. A very dangerous drug!> >> >Sylvia> >> >> > >> > > > I've been on this group for about a year now, and I often > hear > > about how bad Tylenol is. I know that it can be bad for your > liver > > or something if taken often, but beyond that, I was wondering > if I > > could be enlightened on why it is bad to take every once in a > > while. I use homeopathy now, so I don't have much need of it, > but > > was wondering what I would say to someone if they asked me why > I don't use it.> > > >> > > > Thanks,> > > > Amy> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >------------------------------------> >> >

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I do jump in, you're right. I was at another game recently and I had to text my son "stop me, they're talking about someone with cancer." He said "Mom, just don't do it. Don't say anything." It's so hard...

Winnie Re: Why is Tylenol so badVaccinations > > "One of these days I'll be able to watch my son's baseball games > without these conversations. I really don't know how I get > sucked into them. Probably because I can't keep silent when I > hear people complain."> > I giggled outloud when I read this! You're funny! I can just > see you sitting there, listening, and then unable to be quiet. > I don't think you get sucked in--I think you jump in! It's > good there are people like you who know what to say and aren't > afraid to say it. > > Amy> >

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I do jump in, you're right. I was at another game recently and I had to text my son "stop me, they're talking about someone with cancer." He texted back "Mom, just don't do it. Don't say anything." It's so hard...

Winnie Re: Why is Tylenol so badVaccinations > > "One of these days I'll be able to watch my son's baseball games > without these conversations. I really don't know how I get > sucked into them. Probably because I can't keep silent when I > hear people complain."> > I giggled outloud when I read this! You're funny! I can just > see you sitting there, listening, and then unable to be quiet. > I don't think you get sucked in--I think you jump in! It's > good there are people like you who know what to say and aren't > afraid to say it. > > Amy> >

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yes you do have Tylenol - it is Calpol

(paracetamol)

At 08:45 AM 7/8/2011, you wrote:

>We don't have Tylenol in England so pure curiosity had me looking

>around a little. Happened to find this, though it appears more of a

>concern for regular users:

>

>http://www.naturalnews.com/032414_acetaminophen_blood_cancer.html

>

>

>

>

> >

> > I've been on this group for about a year now, and I often hear

> about how bad Tylenol is. I know that it can be bad for your liver

> or something if taken often, but beyond that, I was wondering if I

> could be enlightened on why it is bad to take every once in a

> while. I use homeopathy now, so I don't have much need of it, but

> was wondering what I would say to someone if they asked me why I don't use it.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Amy

> >

>

>

>

>

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Winnie,

I had to share.... Yesterday at my daughter's softball game, a mother comes up

to me and tries to hand me Tylenol (appropriate for this conversation... LOL)

for my daughter.  Anyway, I said I'm sorry but I don't give my daughter

Tylenol.  She said well your daughter complained of a headache and I thought

this might help....  I told her I'll take care of it.  I know it was heat/sun

issues (horribly hot yesterday).  She just was catching too, so I know it was

worse for her.... Anyway, I had my husband give her a remedy and I know the

mother was curious because she was trying to see what he was giving her...  I

may get asked today about it, since the episode happened when the game was over.

   I've got my ammunition this time....  Also, don't give up saying something

and you shouldn't because you may just change one person's mind and that would

be the benefit of it! It might take 100 conversations to change one person, but

at least it is better than none.

 

On Jul 9, 2011, wharrison@... wrote:

 

I just met a woman today at my son's baseball game whose daughter had a raging

fever at birth (she did get the Hep B vaccine). The docs scanned her, I think

ultrasound, strapped this little baby down, catherized her for a urine sample

after suspected some structural problem with the ureters ( I think I have this

right) because that was the first thing they looked at with a fever that high.

And they found serious problems which were later addressed surgically. The docs

blamed the ureter problem for the fever. Couldn't have been the vaccine, oh no,

but a complex situation anyway.

 

BUT regardless of the reason, the child was pumped full of antibiotics and

Tylenol, given other scans every few weeks, with dye, and fast forward to now at

age 8 or so is autistic, although not severely.

 

The mom went through hell trying one thing after another to address behavioral

and learning problems, not disruptive but withdrawn and shy--all her kids had

ear infections, tubes, andenoid surgery, and this little girl had Sensory

Integration Therapy, and a number of other alternative treatments, including

diet, no dairy, etc. Amazingly, the mom never heard of DAN. Naturally I clued

her into that, and the connection to vaccines, antibiotics and Tylenol. But what

a classic example of what can happen with the crap, which I suspect started with

the damn Hep B vaccine. Perhaps it wouldn't have been as bad if that hadn't been

a factor.

 

One of these days I'll be able to watch my son's baseball games without these

conversations. I really don't know how I get sucked into them. Probably because

I can't keep silent when I hear people complain.

 

Winnie

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What did you give her, ? And did it work? ~From: " Fisher" <malica98@...>Vaccinations Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:25:52 AMSubject: Re: Re: Re: Why is Tylenol so bad

Winnie,

I had to share.... Yesterday at my daughter's softball game, a mother comes up to me and tries to hand me Tylenol (appropriate for this conversation... LOL) for my daughter. Anyway, I said I'm sorry but I don't give my daughter Tylenol. She said well your daughter complained of a headache and I thought this might help.... I told her I'll take care of it. I know it was heat/sun issues (horribly hot yesterday). She just was catching too, so I know it was worse for her.... Anyway, I had my husband give her a remedy and I know the mother was curious because she was trying to see what he was giving her... I may get asked today about it, since the episode happened when the game was over. I've got my ammunition this time.... Also, don't give up saying something and you shouldn't because you may just change one person's mind and that would be the benefit of it! It might take 100 conversations to change one person, but at least it is better than none.

On Jul 9, 2011, wharrison@... wrote:

I just met a woman today at my son's baseball game whose daughter had a raging fever at birth (she did get the Hep B vaccine). The docs scanned her, I think ultrasound, strapped this little baby down, catherized her for a urine sample after suspected some structural problem with the ureters ( I think I have this right) because that was the first thing they looked at with a fever that high. And they found serious problems which were later addressed surgically. The docs blamed the ureter problem for the fever. Couldn't have been the vaccine, oh no, but a complex situation anyway.

BUT regardless of the reason, the child was pumped full of antibiotics and Tylenol, given other scans every few weeks, with dye, and fast forward to now at age 8 or so is autistic, although not severely.

The mom went through hell trying one thing after another to address behavioral and learning problems, not disruptive but withdrawn and shy--all her kids had ear infections, tubes, andenoid surgery, and this little girl had Sensory Integration Therapy, and a number of other alternative treatments, including diet, no dairy, etc. Amazingly, the mom never heard of DAN. Naturally I clued her into that, and the connection to vaccines, antibiotics and Tylenol. But what a classic example of what can happen with the crap, which I suspect started with the damn Hep B vaccine. Perhaps it wouldn't have been as bad if that hadn't been a factor.

One of these days I'll be able to watch my son's baseball games without these conversations. I really don't know how I get sucked into them. Probably because I can't keep silent when I hear people complain.

Winnie

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Just so you have a 2nd on that.. I don’t “manage” fevers either. they’re there for a reason, I let them do their job and only give something to help later on after a few days for comfort but I give homeopathic remedy..not OTC Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 16, 14, 12, 9, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 5, Isaac 3 and , born 3/1/11http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.comLearn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself.

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What book/resource do you use to help you pick a remedy?

Thanks,

Trish

Re: Re: Re: Why is Tylenol so bad

Winnie,

I had to share.... Yesterday at my daughter's softball game, a mother comes

up to me and tries to hand me Tylenol (appropriate for this conversation...

LOL) for my daughter. Anyway, I said I'm sorry but I don't give my daughter

Tylenol. She said well your daughter complained of a headache and I thought

this might help.... I told her I'll take care of it. I know it was

heat/sun issues (horribly hot yesterday). She just was catching too, so I

know it was worse for her.... Anyway, I had my husband give her a remedy

and I know the mother was curious because she was trying to see what he was

giving her... I may get asked today about it, since the episode happened

when the game was over. I've got my ammunition this time.... Also, don't

give up saying something and you shouldn't because you may just change one

person's mind and that would be the benefit of it! It might take 100

conversations to change one person, but at least it is better than none.

On Jul 9, 2011, wharrison@... wrote:

I just met a woman today at my son's baseball game whose daughter had a

raging fever at birth (she did get the Hep B vaccine). The docs scanned her,

I think ultrasound, strapped this little baby down, catherized her for a

urine sample after suspected some structural problem with the ureters ( I

think I have this right) because that was the first thing they looked at

with a fever that high. And they found serious problems which were later

addressed surgically. The docs blamed the ureter problem for the fever.

Couldn't have been the vaccine, oh no, but a complex situation anyway.

BUT regardless of the reason, the child was pumped full of antibiotics and

Tylenol, given other scans every few weeks, with dye, and fast forward to

now at age 8 or so is autistic, although not severely.

The mom went through hell trying one thing after another to address

behavioral and learning problems, not disruptive but withdrawn and shy--all

her kids had ear infections, tubes, andenoid surgery, and this little girl

had Sensory Integration Therapy, and a number of other alternative

treatments, including diet, no dairy, etc. Amazingly, the mom never heard of

DAN. Naturally I clued her into that, and the connection to vaccines,

antibiotics and Tylenol. But what a classic example of what can happen with

the crap, which I suspect started with the damn Hep B vaccine. Perhaps it

wouldn't have been as bad if that hadn't been a factor.

One of these days I'll be able to watch my son's baseball games without

these conversations. I really don't know how I get sucked into them.

Probably because I can't keep silent when I hear people complain.

Winnie

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I hope she does ask you about it. It would be a great chance to let her know other choices. Maybe approach her if she doesn't ask you.

And I hope your daughter's headache went away!

Winnie Re: Re: Re: Why is Tylenol so badVaccinations > Winnie,> > I had to share.... Yesterday at my daughter's softball game, a > mother comes up to me and tries to hand me Tylenol (appropriate > for this conversation... LOL) for my daughter. Anyway, I said > I'm sorry but I don't give my daughter Tylenol. She said well > your daughter complained of a headache and I thought this might > help.... I told her I'll take care of it. I know it was > heat/sun issues (horribly hot yesterday). She just was catching > too, so I know it was worse for her.... Anyway, I had my > husband give her a remedy and I know the mother was curious > because she was trying to see what he was giving her... I may > get asked today about it, since the episode happened when the > game was over. I've got my ammunition this time.... Also, > don't give up saying something and you shouldn't because you may > just change one person's mind and that would be the benefit of > it! It might take 100 conversations to change one person, but > at least it is better than none. > > > > > > > On Jul 9, 2011, wharrison@... wrote: > > > I just met a woman today at my son's baseball game whose > daughter had a raging fever at birth (she did get the Hep B > vaccine). The docs scanned her, I think ultrasound, strapped > this little baby down, catherized her for a urine sample after > suspected some structural problem with the ureters ( I think I > have this right) because that was the first thing they looked at > with a fever that high. And they found serious problems which > were later addressed surgically. The docs blamed the ureter > problem for the fever. Couldn't have been the vaccine, oh no, > but a complex situation anyway.> > BUT regardless of the reason, the child was pumped full of > antibiotics and Tylenol, given other scans every few weeks, with > dye, and fast forward to now at age 8 or so is autistic, > although not severely.> > The mom went through hell trying one thing after another to > address behavioral and learning problems, not disruptive but > withdrawn and shy--all her kids had ear infections, tubes, > andenoid surgery, and this little girl had Sensory Integration > Therapy, and a number of other alternative treatments, including > diet, no dairy, etc. Amazingly, the mom never heard of DAN. > Naturally I clued her into that, and the connection to vaccines, > antibiotics and Tylenol. But what a classic example of what can > happen with the crap, which I suspect started with the damn Hep > B vaccine. Perhaps it wouldn't have been as bad if that hadn't > been a factor.> > One of these days I'll be able to watch my son's baseball games > without these conversations. I really don't know how I get > sucked into them. Probably because I can't keep silent when I > hear people complain.> > Winnie> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Everybody's Guide to Homeopathic Medicines by Cummings and Dana Ullman is a favorite of mine.

Winnie Re: Re: Re: Why is Tylenol so bad> > Winnie,> > I had to share.... Yesterday at my daughter's softball game, a > mother comes > up to me and tries to hand me Tylenol (appropriate for this > conversation... > LOL) for my daughter. Anyway, I said I'm sorry but I don't give > my daughter > Tylenol. She said well your daughter complained of a headache > and I thought > this might help.... I told her I'll take care of it. I know it > was > heat/sun issues (horribly hot yesterday). She just was catching > too, so I > know it was worse for her.... Anyway, I had my husband give her > a remedy > and I know the mother was curious because she was trying to see > what he was > giving her... I may get asked today about it, since the episode > happened > when the game was over. I've got my ammunition this time.... > Also, don't > give up saying something and you shouldn't because you may just > change one > person's mind and that would be the benefit of it! It might > take 100 > conversations to change one person, but at least it is better > than none.> > > > > > > On Jul 9, 2011, wharrison@... wrote:> > > I just met a woman today at my son's baseball game whose > daughter had a > raging fever at birth (she did get the Hep B vaccine). The docs > scanned her, > I think ultrasound, strapped this little baby down, catherized > her for a > urine sample after suspected some structural problem with the > ureters ( I > think I have this right) because that was the first thing they > looked at > with a fever that high. And they found serious problems which > were later > addressed surgically. The docs blamed the ureter problem for the > fever. > Couldn't have been the vaccine, oh no, but a complex situation anyway.> > BUT regardless of the reason, the child was pumped full of > antibiotics and > Tylenol, given other scans every few weeks, with dye, and fast > forward to > now at age 8 or so is autistic, although not severely.> > The mom went through hell trying one thing after another to > address > behavioral and learning problems, not disruptive but withdrawn > and shy--all > her kids had ear infections, tubes, andenoid surgery, and this > little girl > had Sensory Integration Therapy, and a number of other > alternative > treatments, including diet, no dairy, etc. Amazingly, the mom > never heard of > DAN. Naturally I clued her into that, and the connection to > vaccines, > antibiotics and Tylenol. But what a classic example of what can > happen with > the crap, which I suspect started with the damn Hep B vaccine. > Perhaps it > wouldn't have been as bad if that hadn't been a factor.> > One of these days I'll be able to watch my son's baseball games > without > these conversations. I really don't know how I get sucked into > them. > Probably because I can't keep silent when I hear people complain.> > Winnie> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> >

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Winnie, what would your advice be if someone is having a cancer conversation??? Just curious as I have heard these conversations ALOT......they seem the topic of everything these days.

Also.......what about a cough that is not getting much better ??? No fever, maybe chest heaviness feeling, had him (my son - 12) take a steamy shower. Thought I'd ask.....you have so much knowledge of natural remedies. Worried I may have to take him in to the drs Cough is barky....not very productive. THANKS! JILL> > > I just met a woman today at my son's

baseball game whose > daughter had a > raging fever at birth (she did get the Hep B vaccine). The docs > scanned her, > I think ultrasound, strapped this little baby down, catherized > her for a > urine sample after suspected some structural problem with the > ureters ( I > think I have this right) because that was the first thing they > looked at > with a fever that high. And they found serious problems which > were later > addressed surgically. The docs blamed the ureter problem for the > fever. > Couldn't have been the vaccine, oh no, but a complex situation anyway.> > BUT regardless of the reason, the child was pumped full of > antibiotics and > Tylenol, given other scans every few weeks, with dye, and fast > forward to > now at age 8 or so is autistic, although not severely.> > The mom went

through hell trying one thing after another to > address > behavioral and learning problems, not disruptive but withdrawn > and shy--all > her kids had ear infections, tubes, andenoid surgery, and this > little girl > had Sensory Integration Therapy, and a number of other > alternative > treatments, including diet, no dairy, etc. Amazingly, the mom > never heard of > DAN. Naturally I clued her into that, and the connection to > vaccines, > antibiotics and Tylenol. But what a classic example of what can > happen with > the crap, which I suspect started with the damn Hep B vaccine. > Perhaps it > wouldn't have been as bad if that hadn't been a factor.> > One of these days I'll be able to watch my son's baseball games > without > these conversations. I really don't know how I get sucked into > them. >

Probably because I can't keep silent when I hear people complain.> > Winnie> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> >

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There’s a remedy for that cough. I can’t find my book but I know there is. Cancer convo’s I would put in my 2 cents that only some small percentage of people who do chemo are still alive x years later. that the chemo is horrible on them and I would not do chemo even if I had cancer. I would add that many people are getting cancer from just handling the cancer drugs, so how much good can they do if they induce cancer? I would add that cancer is big, big , BIG business and they aren’t interested in finding a cure either and they wouldn’t want the world to stop getting cancer either.I would add that as long as there are vaccines, fake flavors, preservatives, colorants, sweeteners.. there will be cancer. Bad air, bad food, bad water.. there will be cancer I wouldn’t take your son to the doc either b/c they’ll just RX you something that may or may not help. If it “helps†it will suppress b/c that is their definition of helping. Well, you’re not coughing now are you?! ( to your “but the cough is just suppressedâ€) Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 16, 14, 12, 9, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 5, Isaac 3 and , born 3/1/11http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.comLearn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. Winnie, what would your advice be if someone is having a cancer conversation??? Just curious as I have heard these conversations ALOT......they seem the topic of everything these days. Also.......what about a cough that is not getting much better ??? No fever, maybe chest heaviness feeling, had him (my son - 12) take a steamy shower. Thought I'd ask.....you have so much knowledge of natural remedies. Worried I may have to take him in to the drs Cough is barky....not very productive. THANKS! JILL__.

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Thanks Venita! LMK if you find the remedy....I don't have alot on hand but have health food stores around me with them.

From: Venita Garner <nitagarner@...>Subject: RE: Re: Why is Tylenol so badVaccinations Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 5:03 PM

There’s a remedy for that cough. I can’t find my book but I know there is.

Cancer convo’s I would put in my 2 cents that only some small percentage of people who do chemo are still alive x years later. that the chemo is horrible on them and I would not do chemo even if I had cancer. I would add that many people are getting cancer from just handling the cancer drugs, so how much good can they do if they induce cancer? I would add that cancer is big, big , BIG business and they aren’t interested in finding a cure either and they wouldn’t want the world to stop getting cancer either.

I would add that as long as there are vaccines, fake flavors, preservatives, colorants, sweeteners.. there will be cancer. Bad air, bad food, bad water.. there will be cancer

I wouldn’t take your son to the doc either b/c they’ll just RX you something that may or may not help. If it “helps†it will suppress b/c that is their definition of helping. Well, you’re not coughing now are you?! ( to your “but the cough is just suppressedâ€)

Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 16, 14, 12, 9, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 5, Isaac 3 and , born 3/1/11http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.comLearn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself.

Winnie, what would your advice be if someone is having a cancer conversation??? Just curious as I have heard these conversations ALOT......they seem the topic of everything these days.

Also.......what about a cough that is not getting much better ??? No fever, maybe chest heaviness feeling, had him (my son - 12) take a steamy shower. Thought I'd ask.....you have so much knowledge of natural remedies. Worried I may have to take him in to the drs Cough is barky....not very productive. THANKS! JILL

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Yes, you are absolutely correct. When my husband was in the hospital dying of stage 4 cancer, I noticed that the nurses handled his meds with latex and gloved hands and with a mask.The nurse told my youngest, then 11, that the pills were poison and had to be handled carefully. If that is the case, then it is important for all of us to avoid those things. Cancer convo’s I would put in my 2 cents that only some small percentage of people who do chemo are still alive x years later. that the chemo is horrible on them and I would not do chemo even if I had cancer. I would add that many people are getting cancer from just handling the cancer drugs, so how much good can they do if they induce cancer? I would add that cancer is big, big , BIG business and they aren’t interested in finding a cure either and they wouldn’t want the world to stop getting cancer either.I would add that as long as there are vaccines, fake flavors, preservatives,

colorants, sweeteners.. there will be cancer. Bad air, bad food, bad water.. there will be cancer I wouldn’t take your son to the doc either b/c they’ll just RX you something that may or may not help. If it “helps†it will suppress b/c that is their definition of helping. Well, you’re not coughing now are you?! ( to your “but the cough is just suppressedâ€) Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 16, 14, 12, 9, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 5, Isaac 3 and , born 3/1/11http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.comLearn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. Winnie, what would your advice be if someone is having a cancer conversation??? Just

curious as I have heard these conversations ALOT......they seem the topic of everything these days. Also.......what about a cough that is not getting much better ??? No fever, maybe chest heaviness feeling, had him (my son - 12) take a steamy shower. Thought I'd ask.....you have so much knowledge of natural remedies. Worried I may have to take him in to the drs Cough is barky....not very productive. THANKS! JILL__.

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Doesn’t make sense does it..... the healthy shouldn’t even touch it, but it’s okay to give to someone seriously ill.

Trish

From: maureen gradvohl

Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 6:58 PM

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: Re: Why is Tylenol so bad

Yes, you are absolutely correct.

When my husband was in the hospital dying of stage 4 cancer, I noticed that the nurses handled his meds with latex and gloved hands and with a mask.

The nurse told my youngest, then 11, that the pills were poison and had to be handled carefully.

If that is the case, then it is important for all of us to avoid those things.

Cancer convo’s I would put in my 2 cents that only some small percentage of people who do chemo are still alive x years later. that the chemo is horrible on them and I would not do chemo even if I had cancer. I would add that many people are getting cancer from just handling the cancer drugs, so how much good can they do if they induce cancer? I would add that cancer is big, big , BIG business and they aren’t interested in finding a cure either and they wouldn’t want the world to stop getting cancer either.

I would add that as long as there are vaccines, fake flavors, preservatives, colorants, sweeteners.. there will be cancer. Bad air, bad food, bad water.. there will be cancer

I wouldn’t take your son to the doc either b/c they’ll just RX you something that may or may not help. If it “helps†it will suppress b/c that is their definition of helping. Well, you’re not coughing now are you?! ( to your “but the cough is just suppressedâ€)

Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 16, 14, 12, 9, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 5, Isaac 3 and , born 3/1/11http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.comLearn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself.

Winnie, what would your advice be if someone is having a cancer conversation??? Just curious as I have heard these conversations ALOT......they seem the topic of everything these days.

Also.......what about a cough that is not getting much better ??? No fever, maybe chest heaviness feeling, had him (my son - 12) take a steamy shower. Thought I'd ask.....you have so much knowledge of natural remedies. Worried I may have to take him in to the drs Cough is barky....not very productive. THANKS! JILL

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All I can recall right now is spongia makes it dryer There’s a cough remedy that I get from Washington homeopathics. They used to have more formulas but when they moved they redid a couple of them. the boogers! Their other cough remedy was great. Dh called it his magic pill. Look at Washington homeopathics in WV and click on their combo remedies, I think that is where you’ll find it Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 16, 14, 12, 9, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 5, Isaac 3 and , born 3/1/11http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.comLearn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself.

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Interesting about the play. Think about it, if someone died right after a surgical procedure, do you think people would be dodging the issue by saying "now we don't know for sure that having the surgery caused it...?" No, it would be clear what the cause was. No excuses. But with vaccines, oh, no, must be wishy-washy about it so as not to ruffle any feathers. Good for those kids!

And headaches--depends on the cause. If it's food allergies, then you need to figure out what food is causing it. Is it from congestion, a sinus headache? I'd take quercetin and homeopathics to get rid of it--although to be honest, I have sometimes gotten them so bad I feel like I have to throw up, can't function and if I have to go somewhere, I will break down and take Sudafed. Usually it's from not eating right or not drinking enough water.

Winnie Re: Why is Tylenol so badVaccinations > I've had people give my child tylenol or advil w/o my > permission! And I often have children ask me for tylenol or > advil for their headaches because that's what they do in their > household. > > I also had a homeopath years ago tell me to go ahead and give my > child tylenol because she thought that was all you could do!!!> > And I have not had good luck finding a remedy for headaches -- > I've tried various ones, but have not had much luck. I would > love to know what others are doing.> > Also, I had the privilege of watching a play this past weekend > that was produced and directed by high schoolers. They were > reciting and acting out stories that had been told to them by > various people of how the education budget cuts in Texas have > affected people's lives -- I was surprised to hear them recite a > mother's story of how her child was injured by a vaccine -- it > was so disturbing and upsetting and at the same time liberating > because the story was told w/o any "qualifiers". It seems to me > that in almost every conversation on autism or chronic health > problems of a child, someone is required to say, "we don't > really know if vaccines are the problem". I kept waiting for > that phrase to pop up in the play somewhere, but it never did. > It was liberating to hear this story in a public setting w/o > anyone jumping in to say -- well, we're not really sure. The > mother's story was recited authentically. Wouldn't it be > wonderful if all our stories were retold authentically -- w/o > some expert or well meaning parent telling us it simply can't be > true or that their children are fine so vaccines must be fine > for everyone. Ditto for antibiotics and tylenol, etc.> > A reason I really like Dr. Wakefield -- He believes the stories > mothers tell. > > Margaret> > > > > > > > Â > > I just met a woman today at my son's baseball game whose > daughter had a raging fever at birth (she did get the Hep B > vaccine). The docs scanned her, I think ultrasound, strapped > this little baby down, catherized her for a urine sample after > suspected some structural problem with the ureters ( I think I > have this right) because that was the first thing they looked at > with a fever that high. And they found serious problems which > were later addressed surgically. The docs blamed the ureter > problem for the fever. Couldn't have been the vaccine, oh no, > but a complex situation anyway.> > Â > > BUT regardless of the reason, the child was pumped full of > antibiotics and Tylenol, given other scans every few weeks, with > dye, and fast forward to now at age 8 or so is autistic, > although not severely.> > Â > > The mom went through hell trying one thing after another to > address behavioral and learning problems, not disruptive but > withdrawn and shy--all her kids had ear infections, tubes, > andenoid surgery, and this little girl had Sensory Integration > Therapy, and a number of other alternative treatments, including > diet, no dairy, etc. Amazingly, the mom never heard of DAN. > Naturally I clued her into that, and the connection to vaccines, > antibiotics and Tylenol. But what a classic example of what can > happen with the crap, which I suspect started with the damn Hep > B vaccine. Perhaps it wouldn't have been as bad if that hadn't > been a factor.> > Â > > One of these days I'll be able to watch my son's baseball > games without these conversations. I really don't know how I get > sucked into them. Probably because I can't keep silent when I > hear people complain.> > Â > > Winnie> >> > >

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My mom used to give it to us crushed up in applesauce for fevers (I don't remember ever getting headaches). I can still taste it--ick. This was back in the 50's, so pre-Tylenol. Later, I can remember people taking Empirin, which was aspirin with codeine and I think actually sold OTC. Bufferin and Excedrin were given out like Tylenol and Advil these days--and done so freely at schools WITHOUT parental consent. Wow, things sure have changed.

The Reye's syndrome concern was first pointed at those with chicken pox (perhaps as an early effort to create fear of CP?). I think it then was warned against for other viral illnesses as well.

Winnie

Re: Why is Tylenol so bad> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asprin can cause Reyes syndrome in people under 16.> > I do sometimes resort to painkillers as I have occipital > neuralgia (permanent headache caused by nerve damage), but > here's what else I've done:> > Migraines = 3 cups of peppermint tea one after the other > immediately at onset of migraine. This usually aborts the > migraine, but doesn't work if I leave it too long.> > Frontal headaches = lavender patch stuck on the forehead, really > relieves it. Also drinking lots of water and sleeping lots.> > Headaches at the back of the head and neck = heat patch (the > kind used for backache) stuck around the neck, or a heated > lavender bag or massage.> > Also vitamins. Vitamin C to support immune function and B12 for > nerves. > The type of headache you get with fever = electric fan and cold > flannels on head. I always feel great by the next day when I do > this unless it's full blown flu.> > Joanna.> > > > > > > > I've been on this group for about a year now, and I often hear > > about how bad Tylenol is. I know that it can be bad for your > > liver or something if taken often, but beyond that, I was > > wondering if I could be enlightened> on why it is bad to take > > every once in a while. I use homeopathy now, so I don't have > > much need of it, but was wondering what I would say to someone > > if they asked me why I don't use it. > > > > Thanks, > > Amy > > > > See my webpage > > http://www.wellwithin1.com/fever.htm > > It depletes the body of glutathione which is necessary to > detox > > from the illness and then also from the tylenol. One dose can > > cause harm. > > Sheri > > listowner > > > > > > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, > USA > > Vaccines - http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ Homeopathy > > http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com > > Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy > > Online/email courses - next classes start April 22> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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The first thing that jumps out at me was that the concern about Reye's Syndrome came out in the 1970's, several years after the MMR was introduced. You didn't hear about it before then.

Winnie Re: Why is Tylenol so badVaccinations > This is a good one, The Long War on Aspirin:> http://www.counterpunch.org/gardner06202006.html> > Sylvia> > > > > >> > > >> > > > I've been on this group for about a year now, and I often hear> > > > about how bad Tylenol is. I know that it can be bad for your> > > > liver or something if taken often, but beyond that, I was> > > > wondering if I could be enlightened on why it is bad to take> > > > every once in a while. I use homeopathy now, so I don't have> > > > much need of it, but was wondering what I would say to someone> > > > if they asked me why I don't use it.> > > >> > > > Thanks,> > > > Amy> > > >> > > > See my webpage> > > > http://www.wellwithin1.com/fever.htm> > > > It depletes the body of glutathione which is necessary to detox> > > > from the illness and then also from the tylenol. One dose can> > > > cause harm.> > > > Sheri> > > > listowner> > > >> > > >> > > > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath> > > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington > State, USA> > > > Vaccines - http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ Homeopathy> > > > http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com> > > > Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy> > > > Online/email courses - next classes start April 22> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >

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I finally got around to reading this--very interesting what they have to say! There was a local girl here who died recently from some lung problem. It was said to be a result of chemo for a brain tumor she had at age 5. You have to wonder how she even got the tumor. She was adopted from China so you know she got vaccinated. Poor kid.

Anyway, thanks for the link!

Winnie Re: Why is Tylenol so badVaccinations > Hope you don't mind me butting in. If you google, 'percentage of > oncologists who would refuse chemotherapy' or similat you will > find many references to doubt regarding chemo by the people who > actually prescribe it.> > Eg: http://www.frequencyrising.com/chemotherapy_quotes.htm> > I have a friend who was very conventional in outlook and always > followed the doctors' advice. Three years ago her secondary > breast cancer, which had spread to the liver, left her looking > down the barrel of 6 months to live. At this point she finally > opened up to considering alternatives. Her son did extensive > research and has her on a whole raft of tailored dietary and > supplemantary protocols. Her liver tumours have shrunk to > 'unmeasurable' and whilst she continues to go for regular scans > etc she is doing great. I met the family through the son who is > my daughter's boyfriend. Intitially he thought I was a 'nut' > with my alternative stuff. Eventually desperation got him and > his family on board. I never tried to tell them what to do, but > did share inspiring stories I found and was open about my > lifestyle choices. I like to think I have helped a little. My > 'almost son-in-law' is something of an alternative 'nut' himself > now. He certainly knows a lot more than me about natural cancer care.> > > > > > > > > > > > > I just met a woman today at my son's baseball game whose > > > daughter had a > > > raging fever at birth (she did get the Hep B vaccine). The > docs > > > scanned her, > > > I think ultrasound, strapped this little baby down, > catherized > > > her for a > > > urine sample after suspected some structural problem with > the > > > ureters ( I > > > think I have this right) because that was the first thing > they > > > looked at > > > with a fever that high. And they found serious problems > which > > > were later > > > addressed surgically. The docs blamed the ureter problem for > the > > > fever. > > > Couldn't have been the vaccine, oh no, but a complex > situation anyway.> > > > > > BUT regardless of the reason, the child was pumped full of > > > antibiotics and > > > Tylenol, given other scans every few weeks, with dye, and > fast > > > forward to > > > now at age 8 or so is autistic, although not severely.> > > > > > The mom went through hell trying one thing after another to > > > address > > > behavioral and learning problems, not disruptive but > withdrawn > > > and shy--all > > > her kids had ear infections, tubes, andenoid surgery, and > this > > > little girl > > > had Sensory Integration Therapy, and a number of other > > > alternative > > > treatments, including diet, no dairy, etc. Amazingly, the > mom > > > never heard of > > > DAN. Naturally I clued her into that, and the connection to > > > vaccines, > > > antibiotics and Tylenol. But what a classic example of what > can > > > happen with > > > the crap, which I suspect started with the damn Hep B > vaccine. > > > Perhaps it > > > wouldn't have been as bad if that hadn't been a factor.> > > > > > One of these days I'll be able to watch my son's baseball > games > > > without > > > these conversations. I really don't know how I get sucked > into > > > them. > > > Probably because I can't keep silent when I hear people complain.> > > > > > Winnie> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > > > > >