RE: Not vaccinating = murder?

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That article is atrocious! I wrote the following to them as a response:

Wow! Your article said that if parents don't give their kids a

scientifically-proven controversial and dangerous vaccine, they are called

indirect murderers. I say again, " Wow! " That's quite a jump. I would rather

say, that parents who allow their children to be sexually active are the ones

who aren't the good parents! Allow a child to engage in behavior that is

dangerous for them physically, emotionally, and mentally, and then be upset when

they get a disease and blame someone else. Sounds very typical for our

society—do whatever you want and then blame someone else for your own behavior.

And this is not a disease that your child gets by " mixing with other children "

on the playground. There is behavior involved, and it isn't " innocent " as you

said. How dare you force others to accommodate your lasciviousness or else call

them murderers. If you don't want lung cancer, don't smoke. If you don't want

a sexual disease, don't be promiscuous. If you don't want to be responsible for

your behavior, or your child's behavior, don't blame someone else.

Amy Santarelli

>

> The title of this letter to the editor is every bit as concerning as the

contents - perhaps more so since it is the newspaper that chooses what titles to

put on letters. Luckily, it is balanced out by a letter from someone with a bit

of common sense who knows that using fear and hatred is not the way to defend a

person's position on scientific issues. The paper is the Adelaide Sunday Mail

and they can be contacted at mailedit@...

>

> All the best,

> Meryl

>

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Another view is that a doctor who dispenses the vaccine is not liable for the damage that vaccines can do, the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the vaccines are not liable for the damage that vaccines can do, the schools that require vaccines for attendance are not liable for the damage that vaccines can do, the government that makes the laws is not liable for the damage that vaccines can do, THEREFORE, why would a parent who chooses not to vaccinate their child and protect them from the damage that a vaccine can do be liable for some theoretical damage that not vaccinating can do? I do not subscribe to the herd theory of artificial immunity from vaccines. You should know that end stage cancer victims and organ transplant recipients are told to stay away from recently

vaccinated children because those children can spread the disease to the dying patient. Being vaccinated makes the children carriers of the disease. ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ From: asantarelli6 <santa6@...>Subject: Re: Not vaccinating = murder?Vaccinations Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 5:03 PM

That article is atrocious! I wrote the following to them as a response:

Wow! Your article said that if parents don't give their kids a scientifically-proven controversial and dangerous vaccine, they are called indirect murderers. I say again, "Wow!" That's quite a jump. I would rather say, that parents who allow their children to be sexually active are the ones who aren't the good parents! Allow a child to engage in behavior that is dangerous for them physically, emotionally, and mentally, and then be upset when they get a disease and blame someone else. Sounds very typical for our society—do whatever you want and then blame someone else for your own behavior. And this is not a disease that your child gets by "mixing with other children" on the playground. There is behavior involved, and it isn't "innocent" as you said. How dare you force others to accommodate your lasciviousness or else call them murderers. If you don't want lung cancer, don't smoke. If you don't want a sexual disease, don't be promiscuous. If

you don't want to be responsible for your behavior, or your child's behavior, don't blame someone else.

Amy Santarelli

>

> The title of this letter to the editor is every bit as concerning as the contents - perhaps more so since it is the newspaper that chooses what titles to put on letters. Luckily, it is balanced out by a letter from someone with a bit of common sense who knows that using fear and hatred is not the way to defend a person's position on scientific issues. The paper is the Adelaide Sunday Mail and they can be contacted at mailedit@...

>

> All the best,

> Meryl

>

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And when a child dies from a vaccine, what does that make their parent? I certainly wouldn't call them a murderer (could have been my child since I used to vaccinate), but the man who wrote that ought to consider extending the blame to all for all decisions.

Too bad people don't get that a lot of us used to vaccinate. That's how we became anti-vaccine, because our children were harmed.

Winnie Re: Not vaccinating = murder?> Vaccinations > Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 5:03 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That article is atrocious! I wrote the following to them > as a response:> > > > Wow! Your article said that if parents don't give their kids a > scientifically-proven controversial and dangerous vaccine, they > are called indirect murderers. I say again, "Wow!" That's > quite a jump. I would rather say, that parents who allow their > children to be sexually active are the ones who aren't the good > parents! Allow a child to engage in behavior that is dangerous > for them physically, emotionally, and mentally, and then be > upset when they get a disease and blame someone else. Sounds > very typical for our society—do whatever you want and then blame > someone else for your own behavior. And this is not a disease > that your child gets by "mixing with other children" on the > playground. There is behavior involved, and it isn't "innocent" > as you said. How dare you force others to accommodate your > lasciviousness or else call them murderers. If you don't want > lung cancer, don't smoke. If you don't want a sexual disease, > don't be promiscuous. If> you don't want to be responsible for your behavior, or your > child's behavior, don't blame someone else.> > > > Amy Santarelli> > > > > > >> > > The title of this letter to the editor is every bit as > concerning as the contents - perhaps more so since it is the > newspaper that chooses what titles to put on letters. Luckily, > it is balanced out by a letter from someone with a bit of common > sense who knows that using fear and hatred is not the way to > defend a person's position on scientific issues. The paper is > the Adelaide Sunday Mail and they can be contacted at mailedit@...> > > > > > All the best,> > > Meryl> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Exactly. Or as my 23 year old daughter put it, " well me and my fiance were

virgins, we don't plan on sleeping around, and we always use condoms, so I think

we got it covered.' Gotta groan at the pun...

> >

> > The title of this letter to the editor is every bit as concerning as the

contents - perhaps more so since it is the newspaper that chooses what titles to

put on letters. Luckily, it is balanced out by a letter from someone with a bit

of common sense who knows that using fear and hatred is not the way to defend a

person's position on scientific issues. The paper is the Adelaide Sunday Mail

and they can be contacted at mailedit@

> >

> > All the best,

> > Meryl

> >

>

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I am sorry your child was harmed by a vaccine, wharrison. My late Father was a chiropractor. Learning from him helped me make my decision, but then I did follow up and do my own research.~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ > > From: asantarelli6 > Subject: Re: Not vaccinating = murder?> Vaccinations > Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 5:03 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That article is atrocious! I wrote the following to

them > as a response:> > > > Wow! Your article said that if parents don't give their kids a > scientifically-proven controversial and dangerous vaccine, they > are called indirect murderers. I say again, "Wow!" That's > quite a jump. I would rather say, that parents who allow their > children to be sexually active are the ones who aren't the good > parents! Allow a child to engage in behavior that is dangerous > for them physically, emotionally, and mentally, and then be > upset when they get a disease and blame someone else. Sounds > very typical for our society—do whatever you want and then blame > someone else for your own behavior. And this is not a disease > that your child gets by "mixing with other children" on the > playground. There is behavior involved, and it isn't "innocent" > as you said. How dare you force others to

accommodate your > lasciviousness or else call them murderers. If you don't want > lung cancer, don't smoke. If you don't want a sexual disease, > don't be promiscuous. If> you don't want to be responsible for your behavior, or your > child's behavior, don't blame someone else.> > > > Amy Santarelli> > > > > > >> > > The title of this letter to the editor is every bit as > concerning as the contents - perhaps more so since it is the > newspaper that chooses what titles to put on letters. Luckily, > it is balanced out by a letter from someone with a bit of common > sense who knows that using fear and hatred is not the way to > defend a person's position on scientific issues. The paper is > the Adelaide Sunday Mail and they can be

contacted at mailedit@...> > > > > > All the best,> > > Meryl> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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If vaccinations protect then why the fuss? If the vaccinations are so damn good then the vaccinated could not catch these dreadful diseases in the first place?Yes I know their unvaccinated siblings who are too young for vaccinations could catch them, well if vaccinations eradicated diseases as they are said to do then they wouldnt be able to and if not, then the germs would be in the environment anyway.Sorry this argument does not stand up and never has. From: Meryl Dorey <meryl@...>Subject: Not vaccinating = murder?"AVN List" <AVN >Date: Monday, 27 June,

2011, 23:13The title of this letter to the editor is every bit as concerning as the contents - perhaps more so since it is the newspaper that chooses what titles to put on letters. Luckily, it is balanced out by a letter from someone with a bit of common sense who knows that using fear and hatred is not the way to defend a person's position on scientific issues. The paper is the Adelaide Sunday Mail and they can be contacted at mailedit@...All the best,Meryl

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I know.. why all the fuss? If you believe vaccines work, then why is your dander up that mine isn’t?!! I always find it amusing but also highly irritating that people check their brains in at the door. Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 16, 14, 12, 9, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 5, Isaac 3 and , born 3/1/11http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.comLearn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself.

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We were lucky. Someone pointed out to me that it could have been vaccines and I changed my whole philosophy of health care after that. Our naturopath got my son over his allergies/asthma that was taking over his life, although it took several years. He's doing great now--21, at college, working, all the good things in life. It could have been so much worse. Look at all the people who live with permanently damaged children or ones who didn't make it at all. It's infuriating. I try not to get mad at those who still vaccinate, remembering how I used to be.

Winnie Re: Not vaccinating = murder?> > Vaccinations > > Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 5:03 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That article is atrocious! I wrote the following to them > > as a response:> > > > > > > > Wow! Your article said that if parents don't give their kids a > > scientifically-proven controversial and dangerous vaccine, > they > > are called indirect murderers. I say again, "Wow!" That's > > quite a jump. I would rather say, that parents who allow their > > children to be sexually active are the ones who aren't the > good > > parents! Allow a child to engage in behavior that is dangerous > > for them physically, emotionally, and mentally, and then be > > upset when they get a disease and blame someone else. Sounds > > very typical for our society—do whatever you want and then > blame > > someone else for your own behavior. And this is not a disease > > that your child gets by "mixing with other children" on the > > playground. There is behavior involved, and it isn't > "innocent" > > as you said. How dare you force others to accommodate your > > lasciviousness or else call them murderers. If you don't want > > lung cancer, don't smoke. If you don't want a sexual disease, > > don't be promiscuous. If> > you don't want to be responsible for your behavior, or your > > child's behavior, don't blame someone else.> > > > > > > > Amy Santarelli> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > The title of this letter to the editor is every bit as > > concerning as the contents - perhaps more so since it is the > > newspaper that chooses what titles to put on letters. Luckily, > > it is balanced out by a letter from someone with a bit of > common > > sense who knows that using fear and hatred is not the way to > > defend a person's position on scientific issues. The paper is > > the Adelaide Sunday Mail and they can be contacted at mailedit@...> > > > > > > > > > All the best,> > > > > Meryl> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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I totally agree ! 

Winne, can I ask what happened with your son and how did the naturopath help him to get over his allergies? My son who is 6 1/2 has terrible allergies, which I do think may have been due to the vaccines. Just wondering if there is something that I could do to help him, rather than just avoiding the foods he reacts to....

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:20 PM, <wharrison@...> wrote:

 

We were lucky. Someone pointed out to me that it could have been vaccines and I changed my whole philosophy of health care after that. Our naturopath got my son over his allergies/asthma that was taking over his life, although it took several years. He's doing great now--21, at college, working, all the good things in life. It could have been so much worse. Look at all the people who live with permanently damaged children or ones who didn't make it at all. It's infuriating. I try not to get mad at those who still vaccinate, remembering how I used to be.

 

Winnie Re: Not vaccinating = murder?> > Vaccinations > > Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 5:03 PM

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> >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That article is atrocious! I wrote the following to them > > as a response:

> > > > > > > > Wow! Your article said that if parents don't give their kids a > > scientifically-proven controversial and dangerous vaccine, > they > > are called indirect murderers. I say again, " Wow! " That's

> > quite a jump. I would rather say, that parents who allow their > > children to be sexually active are the ones who aren't the > good > > parents! Allow a child to engage in behavior that is dangerous

> > for them physically, emotionally, and mentally, and then be > > upset when they get a disease and blame someone else. Sounds > > very typical for our society—do whatever you want and then

> blame > > someone else for your own behavior. And this is not a disease > > that your child gets by " mixing with other children " on the > > playground. There is behavior involved, and it isn't

> " innocent " > > as you said. How dare you force others to accommodate your > > lasciviousness or else call them murderers. If you don't want > > lung cancer, don't smoke. If you don't want a sexual disease,

> > don't be promiscuous. If> > you don't want to be responsible for your behavior, or your > > child's behavior, don't blame someone else.> > > > > >

> > Amy Santarelli> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > The title of this letter to the editor is every bit as > > concerning as the contents - perhaps more so since it is the > > newspaper that chooses what titles to put on letters. Luckily,

> > it is balanced out by a letter from someone with a bit of > common > > sense who knows that using fear and hatred is not the way to > > defend a person's position on scientific issues. The paper is

> > the Adelaide Sunday Mail and they can be contacted at mailedit@...> > > > > > > > > > All the best,> > > > > Meryl> > > > >

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The goal was to build up his immune system, and to avoid using traditional drugs (antibiotics, inhaler, etc.) that would keep him down. When he began wheezing, we gave him an herbal tincture the ND made up for him, along with taking quercetin/Vit. C, and Larix. It took a few years but the bouts became less frequent and eventually stopped altogether.

We had also gone to an environmental MD whose approach was food drops and avoidance of those foods, rotating all foods in the diet. He found that my son was allergic to all these foods, that I realized it wasn't the foods fault, but my son's immune system wasn't working and need to be fixed. I was really quite clueless about all of this and didn't know which was to turn. Perhaps the food drop way would eventually helped but I still felt it was a bandaid approach and I didn't see an end to it. The ND's way made more sense as it wasn't a way of life but just treating him for each illness as it came along.

Winnie

Re: Not vaccinating = murder?> > > > Vaccinations > > > > Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 5:03 PM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > That article is atrocious! I wrote the following to them> > > > as a response:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Wow! Your article said that if parents don't give their > kids a> > > > scientifically-proven controversial and dangerous vaccine,> > > they> > > > are called indirect murderers. I say again, "Wow!" That's> > > > quite a jump. I would rather say, that parents who allow their> > > > children to be sexually active are the ones who aren't the> > > good> > > > parents! Allow a child to engage in behavior that is dangerous> > > > for them physically, emotionally, and mentally, and then be> > > > upset when they get a disease and blame someone else. Sounds> > > > very typical for our society—do whatever you want and then> > > blame> > > > someone else for your own behavior. And this is not a disease> > > > that your child gets by "mixing with other children" on the> > > > playground. There is behavior involved, and it isn't> > > "innocent"> > > > as you said. How dare you force others to accommodate your> > > > lasciviousness or else call them murderers. If you don't want> > > > lung cancer, don't smoke. If you don't want a sexual disease,> > > > don't be promiscuous. If> > > > you don't want to be responsible for your behavior, or your> > > > child's behavior, don't blame someone else.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Amy Santarelli> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > The title of this letter to the editor is every bit as> > > > concerning as the contents - perhaps more so since it is the> > > > newspaper that chooses what titles to put on letters. Luckily,> > > > it is balanced out by a letter from someone with a bit of> > > common> > > > sense who knows that using fear and hatred is not the way to> > > > defend a person's position on scientific issues. The paper is> > > > the Adelaide Sunday Mail and they can be contacted at > mailedit@...> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > All the best,> > > >> > > > > Meryl> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >>

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I see, thanks Winnie. Did he have the food drops as a way of re- sensitising him to the allergens?

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:50 PM, <wharrison@...> wrote:

 

The goal was to build up his immune system, and to avoid using traditional drugs (antibiotics, inhaler, etc.) that would keep him down. When he began wheezing, we gave him an herbal tincture the ND made up for him, along with taking quercetin/Vit. C, and Larix. It took a few years but the bouts became less frequent and eventually stopped altogether.

 

We had also gone to an environmental MD whose approach was food drops and avoidance of those foods, rotating all foods in the diet. He found that my son was allergic to all these foods, that I realized it wasn't the foods fault, but my son's immune system wasn't working and need to be fixed. I was really quite clueless about all of this and didn't know which was to turn. Perhaps the food drop way would eventually helped but I still felt it was a bandaid approach and I didn't see an end to it. The ND's way made more sense as it wasn't a way of life but just treating him for each illness as it came along.

 

Winnie

 

Re: Not vaccinating = murder?> > > > Vaccinations > > > > Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 5:03 PM

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> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > That article is atrocious! I wrote the following to them> > > > as a response:

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Wow! Your article said that if parents don't give their > kids a> > > > scientifically-proven controversial and dangerous vaccine,

> > > they> > > > are called indirect murderers. I say again, " Wow! " That's> > > > quite a jump. I would rather say, that parents who allow their> > > > children to be sexually active are the ones who aren't the

> > > good> > > > parents! Allow a child to engage in behavior that is dangerous> > > > for them physically, emotionally, and mentally, and then be> > > > upset when they get a disease and blame someone else. Sounds

> > > > very typical for our society—do whatever you want and then> > > blame> > > > someone else for your own behavior. And this is not a disease> > > > that your child gets by " mixing with other children " on the

> > > > playground. There is behavior involved, and it isn't> > > " innocent " > > > > as you said. How dare you force others to accommodate your> > > > lasciviousness or else call them murderers. If you don't want

> > > > lung cancer, don't smoke. If you don't want a sexual disease,> > > > don't be promiscuous. If> > > > you don't want to be responsible for your behavior, or your

> > > > child's behavior, don't blame someone else.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Amy Santarelli> > > >> > > >

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> > > > > The title of this letter to the editor is every bit as> > > > concerning as the contents - perhaps more so since it is the> > > > newspaper that chooses what titles to put on letters. Luckily,

> > > > it is balanced out by a letter from someone with a bit of> > > common> > > > sense who knows that using fear and hatred is not the way to> > > > defend a person's position on scientific issues. The paper is

> > > > the Adelaide Sunday Mail and they can be contacted at > mailedit@...> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > All the best,> > > >

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Just wanted to share my experience - I don't have children, but my german

shepherd developed grass allergies after a rabies vaccine. We worked with a

homeopath and the allergy is completely gone now. I would recommend a homeopath.

Alina

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> I totally agree [?]!

> Winne, can I ask what happened with your son and how did the naturopath help

> him to get over his allergies? My son who is 6 1/2 has terrible allergies,

> which I do think may have been due to the vaccines. Just wondering if there

> is something that I could do to help him, rather than just avoiding the

> foods he reacts to....[?]

>

>

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My german shepherd developed canine ms, a disease that I have long suspected is due to vaccines. ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ From: harleysc@... <harleysc@...>Subject: Re: Not vaccinating = murder?Vaccinations Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 7:16 AM

Just wanted to share my experience - I don't have children, but my german shepherd developed grass allergies after a rabies vaccine. We worked with a homeopath and the allergy is completely gone now. I would recommend a homeopath.

Alina

>

> I totally agree [?]!

> Winne, can I ask what happened with your son and how did the naturopath help

> him to get over his allergies? My son who is 6 1/2 has terrible allergies,

> which I do think may have been due to the vaccines. Just wondering if there

> is something that I could do to help him, rather than just avoiding the

> foods he reacts to....[?]

>

>

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I don't remember it exactly because we didn't try it for long--maybe a few days/weeks? This is almost 20 years ago. But Doris Rapp has a book which describes how it works.

The ND's way showed much quicker results for each incidence (less than a day) and the bouts became less frequent as time went by. I'd say from every 3 weeks to every 6, then double that, then the spring and summer he was fine. When it started up again the following fall, it was maybe every few months as his immune system got stronger. It was targeted at improving his overall health, not zeroing in on the foods as if it was theri fault.

Did I mention homeopathy? That was a huge factor, too.

Winnie Re: Not vaccinating = murder?> > > > > > Vaccinations > > > > > > Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 5:03 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > That article is atrocious! I wrote the following to them> > > > > > as a response:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Wow! Your article said that if parents don't give their> > > kids a> > > > > > scientifically-proven controversial and dangerous vaccine,> > > > > they> > > > > > are called indirect murderers. I say again, "Wow!" That's> > > > > > quite a jump. I would rather say, that parents who > allow their> > > > > > children to be sexually active are the ones who aren't the> > > > > good> > > > > > parents! Allow a child to engage in behavior that is > dangerous> > > > > for them physically, emotionally, and > mentally, and then be> > > > > > upset when they get a disease and blame someone else. Sounds> > > > > > very typical for our society—do whatever you want and then> > > > > blame> > > > > > someone else for your own behavior. And this is not a > disease> > > > > that your child gets by "mixing with other > children" on the> > > > > > playground. There is behavior involved, and it isn't> > > > > "innocent"> > > > > > as you said. How dare you force others to accommodate your> > > > > > lasciviousness or else call them murderers. If you > don't want> > > > > > lung cancer, don't smoke. If you don't want a sexual > disease,> > > > > don't be promiscuous. If> > > > > > you don't want to be responsible for your behavior, or your> > > > > > child's behavior, don't blame someone else.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Amy Santarelli> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > The title of this letter to the editor is every bit as> > > > > > concerning as the contents - perhaps more so since it > is the> > > > > > newspaper that chooses what titles to put on letters. > Luckily,> > > > > it is balanced out by a letter from someone > with a bit of> > > > > common> > > > > > sense who knows that using fear and hatred is not the > way to> > > > > > defend a person's position on scientific issues. The > paper is> > > > > > the Adelaide Sunday Mail and they can be contacted at> > > mailedit@...> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > All the best,> > > > > >> > > > > > > Meryl> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

[Guest guest]

Maureen,

Do you mean degenerative myelopathy? I am SO sorry. Our last german shepherd had

DM and it was heartbreaking. We finally had to make the decision to put him to

sleep and it was so hard because mentally he still he was still so full of life.

I had no idea at the time, but now I blame vaccines as well. It's just not right

all the suffering those stupid things cause to people and animals.

Alina

>

> My german shepherd developed canine ms, a disease that I have long suspected

is due to vaccines.  

>

> ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ 

>

>

[Guest guest]

Exactly. My poor male GSD had canine degenerative demylenation - doggie ms. He was at least 13 years old, still full of life and 80 lbs. He was a rescue dog that gave me joy and happiness for seven years after the death of my husband. My dog would lay in his bed all day and I discovered that he would defecate there. I had to stand him up, and uncross his rear legs since he could not himself and put him outside. I would walk him to the corner and he could hardly do that. I took him to a doggie chiropractor and fed him brewers' yeast and glucosamine chondroitin, and he seemed to improve. When I took him to the veteranarian and got the official diagnosis, he was quite gone. I waited a month and then I put him down. I got another rescue GSD the same day - a female, six years old

also.When our animals eat with us and get the same medical treatment we can expect them to get the same diseases. In Los Angeles county, one does not own a dog without vaxing them. Many vets do not think it is necessary to give the three year rabies vax after age six, but it is required in the law anyway.~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ From: harleysc@... <harleysc@...>Subject: Re: Not vaccinating = murder?Vaccinations Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 7:43 AM

Maureen,

Do you mean degenerative myelopathy? I am SO sorry. Our last german shepherd had DM and it was heartbreaking. We finally had to make the decision to put him to sleep and it was so hard because mentally he still he was still so full of life. I had no idea at the time, but now I blame vaccines as well. It's just not right all the suffering those stupid things cause to people and animals.

Alina

>

> My german shepherd developed canine ms, a disease that I have long suspected is due to vaccines. Â

>

> ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~Â

>

>

[Guest guest]

Maureen,Have you heard of Dr. Dodds - a vet that is located in Santa .  She is a vet that is fighting to push the rabies vax to 5 to 7 years intervals. She also advocates having rabies titer performed.  I used her " schedule " when I had my dog and would refuse all except the rabies, which I was required to do.  http://www.weim.net/emberweims/Vaccine.html

LoreleiOn Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:54 AM, maureen gradvohl <mrsvoltaire@...> wrote:

 

Exactly.  My poor male GSD had canine degenerative demylenation - doggie ms.  He was at least 13 years old, still full of life and 80 lbs. He was a rescue dog that gave me joy and happiness for seven years after the death of my husband.  My dog would lay in his bed all day and I discovered that he would defecate there.  I had to stand him up, and uncross his rear legs since he could not himself and put him outside.  I would walk him to the corner and he could hardly do that.  I took him to a doggie chiropractor and fed him brewers' yeast and glucosamine chondroitin, and he seemed to improve.  When I took him to the veteranarian and got the official diagnosis, he was quite gone.  I waited a month and then I put him down.  

I got another rescue GSD the same day - a female, six years old

also.When our animals eat with us and get the same medical treatment we can expect them to get the same diseases.  In Los Angeles county, one does not own a dog without vaxing them.  Many vets do not think it is necessary to give the three year rabies vax after age six, but it is required in the law anyway.

~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ 

From: harleysc@... <harleysc@...>

Subject: Re: Not vaccinating = murder?Vaccinations Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 7:43 AM

 

Maureen,

Do you mean degenerative myelopathy? I am SO sorry. Our last german shepherd had DM and it was heartbreaking. We finally had to make the decision to put him to sleep and it was so hard because mentally he still he was still so full of life. I had no idea at the time, but now I blame vaccines as well. It's just not right all the suffering those stupid things cause to people and animals.

Alina

>

> My german shepherd developed canine ms, a disease that I have long suspected is due to vaccines.  

>

> ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ 

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes. Thank you for that referral. I meant that all vaccines, rabies and all, should probably not be given past the six year mark. As I understand it, the older dogs do not need it. My brother lives in a rural area with many dogs, none vaxed and none have rabies. They live to an old age and have no health problems. They run and play all over. Those are the dogs that would get rabies since they are in the wild areas near wild animals.Just my opinion and observation.~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~

From: harleysc@... <harleysc@...>

Subject: Re: Not vaccinating = murder?Vaccinations Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 7:43 AM

Maureen,

Do you mean degenerative myelopathy? I am SO sorry. Our last german shepherd had DM and it was heartbreaking. We finally had to make the decision to put him to sleep and it was so hard because mentally he still he was still so full of life. I had no idea at the time, but now I blame vaccines as well. It's just not right all the suffering those stupid things cause to people and animals.

Alina

>

> My german shepherd developed canine ms, a disease that I have long suspected is due to vaccines. Â

>

> ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~Â

>

>

[Guest guest]

But even dr. dodds is still vaccine happy and won’t do a “no vax” schedule Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 16, 14, 12, 9, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 5, Isaac 3 and , born 3/1/11http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.comLearn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself.

[Guest guest]

I am anti vax but bear in mind, I live in NYC and we have had a rash of rabies casesfrom park raccoons. Sure, dogs can be leashed but we do have off-lead hours legally, and there is always the risk of interactions.In 2009 I was working in Central Park and we had to get in our work-assigned vehicles because three raccoons came stumbling awkwardly across the field in broad daylight, fearless of anyone, and one was salivating.Sometimes urban situations compress things to a point where disease transfer is actually easier. OQueens NY USAFrom: Lorelei S <lsshanklin@...>Subject: Re: Re: Not vaccinating = murder?To:

Vaccinations Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 1:26 PM

Maureen,Have you heard of Dr. Dodds - a vet that is located in Santa . She is a vet that is fighting to push the rabies vax to 5 to 7 years intervals. She also advocates having rabies titer performed. I used her "schedule" when I had my dog and would refuse all except the rabies, which I was required to do. http://www.weim.net/emberweims/Vaccine.html

Lorelei

[Guest guest]

So did you cut any foods out? From: "wharrison@..." <wharrison@...>Vaccinations Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:03 PMSubject: Re: Re: Not vaccinating = murder?

I don't remember it exactly because we didn't try it for long--maybe a few days/weeks? This is almost 20 years ago. But Doris Rapp has a book which describes how it works.

The ND's way showed much quicker results for each incidence (less than a day) and the bouts became less frequent as time went by. I'd say from every 3 weeks to every 6, then double that, then the spring and summer he was fine. When it started up again the following fall, it was maybe every few months as his immune system got stronger. It was targeted at improving his overall health, not zeroing in on the foods as if it was theri fault.

Did I mention homeopathy? That was a huge factor, too.

Winnie Re: Not vaccinating = murder?> > > > > > Vaccinations > > > > > > Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 5:03 PM> > > > > >> > > > >

>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > That article is atrocious! I wrote the following to them> > > > > > as a response:> > > > >

>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Wow! Your article said that if parents don't give their> > > kids a> > > > > > scientifically-proven controversial and dangerous vaccine,> > > > > they> > > > > > are called indirect murderers. I say again, "Wow!" That's> > > > > > quite a jump. I would rather say, that parents who > allow their> > > > > > children to be sexually active are the ones who aren't the> > > > > good> > > > > > parents! Allow a child to engage in behavior that is > dangerous> > > > > for them physically, emotionally, and > mentally, and then be> > > > > > upset when they get a disease and blame someone else. Sounds> > > > > > very

typical for our society—do whatever you want and then> > > > > blame> > > > > > someone else for your own behavior. And this is not a > disease> > > > > that your child gets by "mixing with other > children" on the> > > > > > playground. There is behavior involved, and it isn't> > > > > "innocent"> > > > > > as you said. How dare you force others to accommodate your> > > > > > lasciviousness or else call them murderers. If you > don't want> > > > > > lung cancer, don't smoke. If you don't want a sexual > disease,> > > > > don't be promiscuous. If> > > > > > you don't want to be responsible for your behavior, or your> > > > > > child's behavior, don't blame someone else.> > > > >

>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Amy Santarelli> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > The title of this letter to the editor is every bit as> > > > > > concerning as the contents - perhaps more so since it > is the> > > > > > newspaper that chooses what titles to put on letters. > Luckily,> > > > > it is balanced out by a letter from someone > with a bit of> > > > > common> > > > > > sense who knows that using fear and hatred is not the > way to> > > >

> > defend a person's position on scientific issues. The > paper is> > > > > > the Adelaide Sunday Mail and they can be contacted at> > > mailedit@...> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > All the best,> > > > > >> > > > > > > Meryl> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >

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