New California Whooping Cough Requirements

[Guest guest]

I don't know if this has been discussed already on this list -

I've got the new Personal Beliefs Exemption form for Pertussis and I'm looking

at this statement that I'm supposed to sign and I just can't do it. The first

sentence reads " The unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and

home are a greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis... " How can I sign this

knowing this is not true. I cannot sign something I'm not in alignment with.

I've been investigating and it looks to me that most of the pertussis cases in

CA over the past year have been in vaccinated people. Non-vaccinated teens are

an extremely small percentage of cases compared to vaccinated cases. Check this

out:

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/immunize/Documents/PertussisReport2011-04-13.pdf

Scroll down to Figure 5 Pertussis Cases by Vaccine History

Look at the purple (0 doses of vaccine) vs. yellow (5 doses of vaccine). Am I

seeing this correctly? How they can possibly say that unvaccinated kids are a

greater risk after seeing this chart?

I went into my daughter's school to sign the form and they told me that if 2 or

more kids have pertussis in this school that my daughter will be excluded from

school for 3 weeks. Well, that's a given since this year they already had

several cases.

NOWHERE in the CA law AB 354 does it mention this 2 or more kids requirement.

Does anyone know the best way to deal with this with the school? I'm not going

to allow them to kick my daughter out for 3 weeks. I know for a fact she is not

a risk any more than any other kid and probably much less of a risk. It's

absolutely not fair if she ends up having to miss her senior class trip or her

prom or something that is really important to her. And being out of school for 3

weeks would really not be good for her.

I already have a signed personal belief statement at the school that covers all

vaccines, including whooping cough. I feel that this is coercement and illegal

for me to have to sign another form with a statement that I don't agree with. No

where in the new law does it say that this new form must be signed. Shall I just

sign it to get her into school this fall and then fight it if she actually gets

kicked out? What are those of you in CA doing about this?

Thanks,

Jane

Healthy Child

http://www.healthychild.com

[Guest guest]

There's a special one just for Pertussis?? Weird. I'm looking at the CA law at the NVIC site and all it says is to file a "a letter or affidavit stating that the immunization is contrary to his or her beliefs." It doesn't say it has to be the form provided by the state.

It does add that the student would be excluded but not that you have to include it in your letter/affidavit. And, honestly, whether you understand that or not, they can still exclude her, so what's the point of you saying you do? I suppose to pressure you.

I would ask them to show you where the law states the 2 or more kids exclusion. Is where you looked the dept. of health law?

Winnie

New California Whooping Cough RequirementsVaccinations > I don't know if this has been discussed already on this list - > > I've got the new Personal Beliefs Exemption form for Pertussis > and I'm looking at this statement that I'm supposed to sign and > I just can't do it. The first sentence reads "The unimmunized > child and the child's contacts at school and home are a greater > risk of becoming sick with pertussis..." How can I sign this > knowing this is not true. I cannot sign something I'm not in > alignment with. > > I've been investigating and it looks to me that most of the > pertussis cases in CA over the past year have been in vaccinated > people. Non-vaccinated teens are an extremely small percentage > of cases compared to vaccinated cases. Check this out:> http://www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/immunize/Documents/PertussisReport2011-04-13.pdf> > Scroll down to Figure 5 Pertussis Cases by Vaccine History> > Look at the purple (0 doses of vaccine) vs. yellow (5 doses of > vaccine). Am I seeing this correctly? How they can possibly say > that unvaccinated kids are a greater risk after seeing this > chart? > > I went into my daughter's school to sign the form and they told > me that if 2 or more kids have pertussis in this school that my > daughter will be excluded from school for 3 weeks. Well, that's > a given since this year they already had several cases.> > NOWHERE in the CA law AB 354 does it mention this 2 or more kids > requirement. Does anyone know the best way to deal with this > with the school? I'm not going to allow them to kick my daughter > out for 3 weeks. I know for a fact she is not a risk any more > than any other kid and probably much less of a risk. It's > absolutely not fair if she ends up having to miss her senior > class trip or her prom or something that is really important to > her. And being out of school for 3 weeks would really not be > good for her.> > I already have a signed personal belief statement at the school > that covers all vaccines, including whooping cough. I feel that > this is coercement and illegal for me to have to sign another > form with a statement that I don't agree with. No where in the > new law does it say that this new form must be signed. Shall I > just sign it to get her into school this fall and then fight it > if she actually gets kicked out? What are those of you in CA > doing about this?> > Thanks,> > Jane > > Healthy Child> http://www.healthychild.com> > >

[Guest guest]

Yes, it's a new law that goes into effect in CA in July - that all kids from 7th

- 12th grade have to have the dtap vaccine in order to get into school next

year. Personal belief exemptions are allowed, but the state health dept is

making all parents who want an exemption to come into the school and sign an

additional form, even if you already have an exemption on file. And if 2 or more

kids at the school get pertussis, then the exempted kids have to be out of

school for 3 weeks. Insane. I talked to the school nurse today. She actually

agreed with me and my protest because she knows most of the people who have had

pertussis in this " epidemic " were vaccinated. But of course she says she has to

follow the health dept guidelines. The law doesn't say anything about a new form

and 2 or more kids. That's the health department making up their own rules. I

told the nurse I was going to cross out the first 2 sentences of the statement

I'm supposed to sign. They do put those sentences there just to pressure parents

and I'm not going to sign that crap. She said to initial it where I cross it

out. But still she said that my daughter will be kicked out if 2 kids get

pertussis. I will fight that if it ever happens.

Do you know if anyone has ever fought that and won? The law says it's at the

discretion of the health dept and we have this real wacko here in my county

health dept. It's just completely nuts that we have to deal with this.

Jane

>

> There's a special one just for Pertussis?? Weird. I'm looking at the CA law at

the NVIC site and all it says is to file a " a letter or affidavit stating that

the immunization is contrary to his or her beliefs. " It doesn't say it has to be

the form provided by the state.

>

> It does add that the student would be excluded but not that you have to

include it in your letter/affidavit. And, honestly, whether you understand that

or not, they can still exclude her, so what's the point of you saying you do? I

suppose to pressure you.

>

> I would ask them to show you where the law states the 2 or more kids

exclusion. Is where you looked the dept. of health law?

>

> Winnie

>

> New California Whooping Cough Requirements

> Vaccinations

>

> > I don't know if this has been discussed already on this list -

> >

> > I've got the new Personal Beliefs Exemption form for Pertussis

> > and I'm looking at this statement that I'm supposed to sign and

> > I just can't do it. The first sentence reads " The unimmunized

> > child and the child's contacts at school and home are a greater

> > risk of becoming sick with pertussis... " How can I sign this

> > knowing this is not true. I cannot sign something I'm not in

> > alignment with.

> >

> > I've been investigating and it looks to me that most of the

> > pertussis cases in CA over the past year have been in vaccinated

> > people. Non-vaccinated teens are an extremely small percentage

> > of cases compared to vaccinated cases. Check this out:

> >

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/immunize/Documents/PertussisReport2011-04-13.pdf

> >

> > Scroll down to Figure 5 Pertussis Cases by Vaccine History

> >

> > Look at the purple (0 doses of vaccine) vs. yellow (5 doses of

> > vaccine). Am I seeing this correctly? How they can possibly say

> > that unvaccinated kids are a greater risk after seeing this

> > chart?

> >

> > I went into my daughter's school to sign the form and they told

> > me that if 2 or more kids have pertussis in this school that my

> > daughter will be excluded from school for 3 weeks. Well, that's

> > a given since this year they already had several cases.

> >

> > NOWHERE in the CA law AB 354 does it mention this 2 or more kids

> > requirement. Does anyone know the best way to deal with this

> > with the school? I'm not going to allow them to kick my daughter

> > out for 3 weeks. I know for a fact she is not a risk any more

> > than any other kid and probably much less of a risk. It's

> > absolutely not fair if she ends up having to miss her senior

> > class trip or her prom or something that is really important to

> > her. And being out of school for 3 weeks would really not be

> > good for her.

> >

> > I already have a signed personal belief statement at the school

> > that covers all vaccines, including whooping cough. I feel that

> > this is coercement and illegal for me to have to sign another

> > form with a statement that I don't agree with. No where in the

> > new law does it say that this new form must be signed. Shall I

> > just sign it to get her into school this fall and then fight it

> > if she actually gets kicked out? What are those of you in CA

> > doing about this?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Jane

> >

> > Healthy Child

> > http://www.healthychild.com

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Oddly, I have pertussis right now, My unvaxed child does not, but if she did

have it she sure got over it very quickly.

I'm sure someone will chime in with some help!

tonya

>

> I don't know if this has been discussed already on this list -

>

> I've got the new Personal Beliefs Exemption form for Pertussis and I'm looking

at this statement that I'm supposed to sign and I just can't do it. The first

sentence reads " The unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and

home are a greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis... " How can I sign this

knowing this is not true. I cannot sign something I'm not in alignment with.

[Guest guest]

Speaking of whooping cough -- someone I know just went for a physical and got a

combination tetanus/whopping cough " shot " (vaccine, obviously). I didn't realize

they could just group anything together like that. It also never fails to amaze

me how many people don't question their doctors.

Alina

>

> One word: homeschool. Who needs this crap?

> ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~

[Guest guest]

Glad the school gave in. We've got this completely crazy, egotistical head of

the county health dept here. He writes articles for the newspaper about the

dangerous parents who don't vaccinate and gets everyone up in arms. There is a

high percentage of non-vaccinated kids here. The other day there was a woman who

wrote to the editor this nasty letter complaining about kids who are not

vaccinated for pertussis. So get this. She's angry because her fully vaccinated

son has pertussis and she's blaming it on unvaccinated kids. She doesn't even

see the insanity of her thinking. Who is spreading this around? The fact is that

the majority of pertussis cases in CA are in people who are fully vaccinated.

That's who is spreading it around. But my kid is who they are going to kick out

of school. Makes me livid.

So here's what I decided to do. I crossed out the first 2 sentences completely

and the only sentence left is " I hereby request exemption of the child named

above from the pertussis immunization requirement for school entry because such

immunization is contrary to my beliefs. " Period. If they fight me on that I will

tell them that according to the law I don't even need to sign this additional

form. I have a copy of the law to give to them. I'll deal with the health

department if it ever comes to that. We have 2 more years of H.S. to deal with.

Homeschooling is not an option - not because I can't homeschool her; I'd be

happy to but she really loves school and all her friends and activities there.

A woman emailed me privately and said this:

The decision to exclude a student during a school disease outbreak is not the

school's at all. It is up to the county health department. There is no set

number of cases that trigger exclusion. The law says that a student will be

temporarily excluded if " there is good cause to believe that the person has been

exposed. " So it totally depends on the circumstances. Regarding the length of

exclusion, I'm pretty sure a student is no longer considered at risk after they

take 5 days of antibiotics. (If a parent does not think the antibiotics are in

the best interest of their child, they can fill the prescription and simply not

give it to their child--who's going to know)? The law says the unimmunized child

will be excluded " until the local health officer is satisfied that the person is

no longer at risk of developing the disease. " So I think that could be as little

as 5 days of " antibiotics. "

Jane

> > >

> > > There's a special one just for Pertussis?? Weird. I'm looking

> > at the CA law at the NVIC site and all it says is to file a " a

> > letter or affidavit stating that the immunization is contrary to

> > his or her beliefs. " It doesn't say it has to be the form

> > provided by the state.

> > >

> > > It does add that the student would be excluded but not that

> > you have to include it in your letter/affidavit. And, honestly,

> > whether you understand that or not, they can still exclude her,

> > so what's the point of you saying you do? I suppose to pressure

> > you.

> > >

> > > I would ask them to show you where the law states the 2 or

> > more kids exclusion. Is where you looked the dept. of health

> > law?

> > >

> > > Winnie

> > >

> > > New California Whooping Cough Requirements

> > > Vaccinations

> > >

> > > > I don't know if this has been discussed already on this list

> > -

> > > >

> > > > I've got the new Personal Beliefs Exemption form for

> > Pertussis

> > > > and I'm looking at this statement that I'm supposed to sign

> > and

> > > > I just can't do it. The first sentence reads " The

> > unimmunized

> > > > child and the child's contacts at school and home are a

> > greater

> > > > risk of becoming sick with pertussis... " How can I sign this

> > > > knowing this is not true. I cannot sign something I'm not in

> > > > alignment with.

> > > >

> > > > I've been investigating and it looks to me that most of the

> > > > pertussis cases in CA over the past year have been in

> > vaccinated

> > > > people. Non-vaccinated teens are an extremely small

> > percentage

> > > > of cases compared to vaccinated cases. Check this out:

> > > >

> >

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/immunize/Documents/PertussisReport2011-04-13.pdf

> > > >

> > > > Scroll down to Figure 5 Pertussis Cases by Vaccine History

> > > >

> > > > Look at the purple (0 doses of vaccine) vs. yellow (5 doses

> > of

> > > > vaccine). Am I seeing this correctly? How they can possibly

> > say

> > > > that unvaccinated kids are a greater risk after seeing this

> > > > chart?

> > > >

> > > > I went into my daughter's school to sign the form and they

> > told

> > > > me that if 2 or more kids have pertussis in this school that

> > my

> > > > daughter will be excluded from school for 3 weeks. Well,

> > that's

> > > > a given since this year they already had several cases.

> > > >

> > > > NOWHERE in the CA law AB 354 does it mention this 2 or more

> > kids

> > > > requirement. Does anyone know the best way to deal with this

> > > > with the school? I'm not going to allow them to kick my

> > daughter

> > > > out for 3 weeks. I know for a fact she is not a risk any

> > more

> > > > than any other kid and probably much less of a risk. It's

> > > > absolutely not fair if she ends up having to miss her senior

> > > > class trip or her prom or something that is really important

> > to

> > > > her. And being out of school for 3 weeks would really not be

> > > > good for her.

> > > >

> > > > I already have a signed personal belief statement at the

> > school

> > > > that covers all vaccines, including whooping cough. I feel

> > that

> > > > this is coercement and illegal for me to have to sign

> > another

> > > > form with a statement that I don't agree with. No where in

> > the

> > > > new law does it say that this new form must be signed. Shall

> > I

> > > > just sign it to get her into school this fall and then fight

> > it

> > > > if she actually gets kicked out? What are those of you in CA

> > > > doing about this?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > Jane

> > > >

> > > > Healthy Child

> > > > http://www.healthychild.com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am sorry I have missed this thread. A group of moms and I have been calling

and writing schools in the Sacramento area trying to educate them on the law

concerning this new mandate. Jane you are absolutely right - they have no right

to put words in your mouth and ask you to sign something you do not believe. I

am telling friends to feel free to cross out everything you don't agree with

before you singing the exemption. The Health Dept is playing fast and loose with

the law thinking no one will call them on it. It is disgraceful what they are

doing! Unfortunetly, the exclusion clause is very ambiguous, and at the whim of

the Health Dept. But you are right - since pertussis is a bacteria, 5 days on

antibiotics would have to satisfiy them if it came to that.

The same group of moms and I have invited Vaccine Epidemic authors, Louise

Habakus and Holland to speak on the issues of Vaccination Rights and

Vaccine Safety, in Roseville, CA on June 29th. Anyone interested in coming,

please contact me at calvaxrights@... for the details. This presentation

is free.

Sylvia

> > > > >

> > > > > There's a special one just for Pertussis?? Weird. I'm

> > looking

> > > > at the CA law at the NVIC site and all it says is to file a

> > " a

> > > > letter or affidavit stating that the immunization is

> > contrary to

> > > > his or her beliefs. " It doesn't say it has to be the form

> > > > provided by the state.

> > > > >

> > > > > It does add that the student would be excluded but not

> > that

> > > > you have to include it in your letter/affidavit. And,

> > honestly,

> > > > whether you understand that or not, they can still exclude

> > her,

> > > > so what's the point of you saying you do? I suppose to

> > pressure

> > > > you.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would ask them to show you where the law states the 2 or

> > > > more kids exclusion. Is where you looked the dept. of health

> > > > law?

> > > > >

> > > > > Winnie

> > > > >

> > > > > New California Whooping Cough

> > Requirements> > > Vaccinations

> > > > >

> > > > > > I don't know if this has been discussed already on this

> > list

> > > > -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've got the new Personal Beliefs Exemption form for

> > > > Pertussis

> > > > > > and I'm looking at this statement that I'm supposed to

> > sign

> > > > and

> > > > > > I just can't do it. The first sentence reads " The

> > > > unimmunized

> > > > > > child and the child's contacts at school and home are a

> > > > greater

> > > > > > risk of becoming sick with pertussis... " How can I sign

> > this

> > > > > > knowing this is not true. I cannot sign something I'm

> > not in

> > > > > > alignment with.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've been investigating and it looks to me that most of

> > the

> > > > > > pertussis cases in CA over the past year have been in

> > > > vaccinated

> > > > > > people. Non-vaccinated teens are an extremely small

> > > > percentage

> > > > > > of cases compared to vaccinated cases. Check this out:

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/immunize/Documents/PertussisReport2011-04-13.pdf

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Scroll down to Figure 5 Pertussis Cases by Vaccine History

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Look at the purple (0 doses of vaccine) vs. yellow (5

> > doses

> > > > of

> > > > > > vaccine). Am I seeing this correctly? How they can

> > possibly

> > > > say

> > > > > > that unvaccinated kids are a greater risk after seeing

> > this

> > > > > > chart?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I went into my daughter's school to sign the form and

> > they

> > > > told

> > > > > > me that if 2 or more kids have pertussis in this school

> > that

> > > > my

> > > > > > daughter will be excluded from school for 3 weeks. Well,

> > > > that's

> > > > > > a given since this year they already had several cases.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > NOWHERE in the CA law AB 354 does it mention this 2 or

> > more

> > > > kids

> > > > > > requirement. Does anyone know the best way to deal with

> > this

> > > > > > with the school? I'm not going to allow them to kick my

> > > > daughter

> > > > > > out for 3 weeks. I know for a fact she is not a risk any

> > > > more

> > > > > > than any other kid and probably much less of a risk.

> > It's

> > > > > > absolutely not fair if she ends up having to miss her

> > senior

> > > > > > class trip or her prom or something that is really

> > important

> > > > to

> > > > > > her. And being out of school for 3 weeks would really

> > not be

> > > > > > good for her.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I already have a signed personal belief statement at the

> > > > school

> > > > > > that covers all vaccines, including whooping cough. I

> > feel

> > > > that

> > > > > > this is coercement and illegal for me to have to sign

> > > > another

> > > > > > form with a statement that I don't agree with. No where

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > new law does it say that this new form must be signed.

> > Shall

> > > > I

> > > > > > just sign it to get her into school this fall and then

> > fight

> > > > it

> > > > > > if she actually gets kicked out? What are those of you

> > in CA

> > > > > > doing about this?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jane

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Healthy Child

> > > > > > http://www.healthychild.com

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, it's terribly silly and completely irrational. I was pretty surprised the

school nurse agreed with me on this - she already knew that most cases have been

in vaccinated people - but she went on to say that they do this because " if

vaccinated and you get the disease, you may have a more mild case of the

disease " . Huh? Makes no sense at all. First, it's not true and second,

regardless of how mild or severe your case is, you are still exposing other

people!!!!

I did respond to that woman's letter and they didn't publish it. This newspaper

runs editorials promoting vaccines. They rarely publish my letters.

Jane

> > > > >

> > > > > There's a special one just for Pertussis?? Weird. I'm

> > looking

> > > > at the CA law at the NVIC site and all it says is to file a

> > " a

> > > > letter or affidavit stating that the immunization is

> > contrary to

> > > > his or her beliefs. " It doesn't say it has to be the form

> > > > provided by the state.

> > > > >

> > > > > It does add that the student would be excluded but not

> > that

> > > > you have to include it in your letter/affidavit. And,

> > honestly,

> > > > whether you understand that or not, they can still exclude

> > her,

> > > > so what's the point of you saying you do? I suppose to

> > pressure

> > > > you.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would ask them to show you where the law states the 2 or

> > > > more kids exclusion. Is where you looked the dept. of health

> > > > law?

> > > > >

> > > > > Winnie

> > > > >

> > > > > New California Whooping Cough

> > Requirements> > > Vaccinations

> > > > >

> > > > > > I don't know if this has been discussed already on this

> > list

> > > > -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've got the new Personal Beliefs Exemption form for

> > > > Pertussis

> > > > > > and I'm looking at this statement that I'm supposed to

> > sign

> > > > and

> > > > > > I just can't do it. The first sentence reads " The

> > > > unimmunized

> > > > > > child and the child's contacts at school and home are a

> > > > greater

> > > > > > risk of becoming sick with pertussis... " How can I sign

> > this

> > > > > > knowing this is not true. I cannot sign something I'm

> > not in

> > > > > > alignment with.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've been investigating and it looks to me that most of

> > the

> > > > > > pertussis cases in CA over the past year have been in

> > > > vaccinated

> > > > > > people. Non-vaccinated teens are an extremely small

> > > > percentage

> > > > > > of cases compared to vaccinated cases. Check this out:

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/immunize/Documents/PertussisReport2011-04-13.pdf

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Scroll down to Figure 5 Pertussis Cases by Vaccine History

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Look at the purple (0 doses of vaccine) vs. yellow (5

> > doses

> > > > of

> > > > > > vaccine). Am I seeing this correctly? How they can

> > possibly

> > > > say

> > > > > > that unvaccinated kids are a greater risk after seeing

> > this

> > > > > > chart?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I went into my daughter's school to sign the form and

> > they

> > > > told

> > > > > > me that if 2 or more kids have pertussis in this school

> > that

> > > > my

> > > > > > daughter will be excluded from school for 3 weeks. Well,

> > > > that's

> > > > > > a given since this year they already had several cases.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > NOWHERE in the CA law AB 354 does it mention this 2 or

> > more

> > > > kids

> > > > > > requirement. Does anyone know the best way to deal with

> > this

> > > > > > with the school? I'm not going to allow them to kick my

> > > > daughter

> > > > > > out for 3 weeks. I know for a fact she is not a risk any

> > > > more

> > > > > > than any other kid and probably much less of a risk.

> > It's

> > > > > > absolutely not fair if she ends up having to miss her

> > senior

> > > > > > class trip or her prom or something that is really

> > important

> > > > to

> > > > > > her. And being out of school for 3 weeks would really

> > not be

> > > > > > good for her.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I already have a signed personal belief statement at the

> > > > school

> > > > > > that covers all vaccines, including whooping cough. I

> > feel

> > > > that

> > > > > > this is coercement and illegal for me to have to sign

> > > > another

> > > > > > form with a statement that I don't agree with. No where

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > new law does it say that this new form must be signed.

> > Shall

> > > > I

> > > > > > just sign it to get her into school this fall and then

> > fight

> > > > it

> > > > > > if she actually gets kicked out? What are those of you

> > in CA

> > > > > > doing about this?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jane

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Healthy Child

> > > > > > http://www.healthychild.com

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sylvia,

It's really great what you are doing. And I'd love to see Louise and and

hear them speak. I'll try to come and email you if I can. Their book, Vaccine

Epidemic is excellent - everyone should have a copy.

Thanks,

Jane

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There's a special one just for Pertussis?? Weird. I'm

> > > looking

> > > > > at the CA law at the NVIC site and all it says is to file a

> > > " a

> > > > > letter or affidavit stating that the immunization is

> > > contrary to

> > > > > his or her beliefs. " It doesn't say it has to be the form

> > > > > provided by the state.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It does add that the student would be excluded but not

> > > that

> > > > > you have to include it in your letter/affidavit. And,

> > > honestly,

> > > > > whether you understand that or not, they can still exclude

> > > her,

> > > > > so what's the point of you saying you do? I suppose to

> > > pressure

> > > > > you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would ask them to show you where the law states the 2 or

> > > > > more kids exclusion. Is where you looked the dept. of health

> > > > > law?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Winnie

> > > > > >

> > > > > > New California Whooping Cough

> > > Requirements> > > Vaccinations

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't know if this has been discussed already on this

> > > list

> > > > > -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've got the new Personal Beliefs Exemption form for

> > > > > Pertussis

> > > > > > > and I'm looking at this statement that I'm supposed to

> > > sign

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > I just can't do it. The first sentence reads " The

> > > > > unimmunized

> > > > > > > child and the child's contacts at school and home are a

> > > > > greater

> > > > > > > risk of becoming sick with pertussis... " How can I sign

> > > this

> > > > > > > knowing this is not true. I cannot sign something I'm

> > > not in

> > > > > > > alignment with.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've been investigating and it looks to me that most of

> > > the

> > > > > > > pertussis cases in CA over the past year have been in

> > > > > vaccinated

> > > > > > > people. Non-vaccinated teens are an extremely small

> > > > > percentage

> > > > > > > of cases compared to vaccinated cases. Check this out:

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/immunize/Documents/PertussisReport2011-04-13.pdf

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Scroll down to Figure 5 Pertussis Cases by Vaccine History

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Look at the purple (0 doses of vaccine) vs. yellow (5

> > > doses

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > vaccine). Am I seeing this correctly? How they can

> > > possibly

> > > > > say

> > > > > > > that unvaccinated kids are a greater risk after seeing

> > > this

> > > > > > > chart?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I went into my daughter's school to sign the form and

> > > they

> > > > > told

> > > > > > > me that if 2 or more kids have pertussis in this school

> > > that

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > daughter will be excluded from school for 3 weeks. Well,

> > > > > that's

> > > > > > > a given since this year they already had several cases.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > NOWHERE in the CA law AB 354 does it mention this 2 or

> > > more

> > > > > kids

> > > > > > > requirement. Does anyone know the best way to deal with

> > > this

> > > > > > > with the school? I'm not going to allow them to kick my

> > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > out for 3 weeks. I know for a fact she is not a risk any

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > than any other kid and probably much less of a risk.

> > > It's

> > > > > > > absolutely not fair if she ends up having to miss her

> > > senior

> > > > > > > class trip or her prom or something that is really

> > > important

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > her. And being out of school for 3 weeks would really

> > > not be

> > > > > > > good for her.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I already have a signed personal belief statement at the

> > > > > school

> > > > > > > that covers all vaccines, including whooping cough. I

> > > feel

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > this is coercement and illegal for me to have to sign

> > > > > another

> > > > > > > form with a statement that I don't agree with. No where

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > new law does it say that this new form must be signed.

> > > Shall

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > just sign it to get her into school this fall and then

> > > fight

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > if she actually gets kicked out? What are those of you

> > > in CA

> > > > > > > doing about this?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jane

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Healthy Child

> > > > > > > http://www.healthychild.com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>