Re: California Tdap exemption form for 7-12th graders

[Guest guest]

No, he hasn't called me yet. The nurse said he would call me to set up a time to

come in. Next week is the last week of school so I should probably call him and

find out what's going on since I don't want her to not get her schedule on time

for next year. That's what they told all the kids - that if they don't get the

shot, they won't get their schedule in August and they can't come back. My

daughter is very worried about this.

I will let you know what happens.

Jane

> >

> > I just got a call from the school and they want me to come in for a meeting

with the principal now. Since I crossed out those sentences. He wants me to sign

the stupid form in front of him. Coercion and intimidation. He doesn't know what

he's in for with me.

> >

> > Jane

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, definitely call him. Honestly, he demands to see you and then ignores you? Clearly this isn't a priority for him--either that, or he wants it to get down to the wire to pressure you. Nice passive-aggressive "leadership."

I would only show him the letter but not insist on giving it to the nurse personally as you and every other parent have handed in health forms since time began. Otherwise, you can be sure that letter will "disappear."

Good luck!

Winnie

Re: California Tdap exemption form for 7-12th gradersVaccinations > No, he hasn't called me yet. The nurse said he would call me to > set up a time to come in. Next week is the last week of school > so I should probably call him and find out what's going on since > I don't want her to not get her schedule on time for next year. > That's what they told all the kids - that if they don't get the > shot, they won't get their schedule in August and they can't > come back. My daughter is very worried about this. > > I will let you know what happens.> > Jane> > > > >> > > I just got a call from the school and they want me to come > in for a meeting with the principal now. Since I crossed out > those sentences. He wants me to sign the stupid form in front of > him. Coercion and intimidation. He doesn't know what he's in for > with me.> > > > > > Jane> >> > >

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Oops, I mean "insist" on.

Winnie Re: California Tdap exemption form for 7-> 12th graders> Vaccinations > > > No, he hasn't called me yet. The nurse said he would call me > to > > set up a time to come in. Next week is the last week of school > > so I should probably call him and find out what's going on > since > > I don't want her to not get her schedule on time for next > year. > > That's what they told all the kids - that if they don't get > the > > shot, they won't get their schedule in August and they can't > > come back. My daughter is very worried about this. > > > > I will let you know what happens.> > > > Jane> > > > > > > >> > > > I just got a call from the school and they want me to come > > in for a meeting with the principal now. Since I crossed out > > those sentences. He wants me to sign the stupid form in front > of > > him. Coercion and intimidation. He doesn't know what he's in > for > > with me.> > > > > > > > Jane> > >> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

So I got tired of waiting for this principal to call me back. I just sent him

this letter. He's a nice guy, I've talked with him before on other issues. I'll

let you know what he responds. He'll probably send it to the health dept to get

their feedback or approval. I don't care, I'm already on their " watch list " I'm

sure because of my website and because I've written letters published in the

local newspaper.

Dear Mr. Van Dyke,

I was told by Beth, the school nurse, that you would like me to come

in and meet with you regarding my daughter's exemption form for the

Tdap vaccine. She said either you or she would get back to me and I

haven't heard back. Can you please explain the purpose of this

meeting?

I have fully complied with the Law AB 354 by signing the exemption

form. By law, my daughter should be allowed in school in August. I did

cross out some of the wording on this form. The statement, " The

unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and home are a

greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis... " is not true. I have

been extensively researching vaccinations for over 16 years, and my

research shows me that this is not true. I will not sign a statement

that I know to be false. The pertussis vaccine is not an effective

vaccine, and most people who have had pertussis in CA over the past

year have been fully vaccinated. It is vaccinated kids and adults who

are spreading this disease. I have taken steps throughout my

daughter's life to strengthen her immune system and I believe she is

less likely to become sick with pertussis than vaccinated kids. In

fact, she was exposed to pertussis when she was a toddler, by a fully

vaccinated child with the disease. She did not get the disease. Of

course I know it's always possible that she may contract the disease

if exposed again, but she's not at any greater risk than those kids

who are vaccinated.

I also crossed out the statement, " I understand that, for the

protection of the child and other students, the child may be excluded

from attending school for prolonged periods during outbreaks of

pertussis " . I do know that my daughter may be excluded from school if

there's an outbreak; it's part of the law, whether I cross this

statement out or not. I don't agree with this and that's why I crossed

it out. I've already signed that statement on the back of the original

blue immunization card already on file at the school. That should be

sufficient. But if crossing this statement out is a problem for you, I

will sign another form and not cross out that entire statement. I will

only cross out the part that says " for the protection of the child and

other students " since that part of the statement doesn't make any

sense at all.

Honestly, I'm not trying to be difficult and I know that you and I are

both very busy. We should not even have to deal with this. I just

cannot put my signature on something that I don't believe to be true.

And it doesn't change anything with the cross-outs - I'm still

exempting my daughter as required by law. There is nothing in that law

that requires that wording for exemption. The law does not even

require the additional new form.

I consider it tragic that the health department via the public school

system is coercing parents to make medical decisions for their

children. Vaccines, like all prescription medicines, carry risks.

Whether or not to vaccinate a child is not a decision to be taken

lightly. It should be decided by the parents in consultation with

their child's doctor after complete research - without outside

influence or coercion.

Please let me know ASAP if you would like me to sign another form. I

will come in and sign it. On this new form, I will only cross out the

following statements:

" The unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and home are

a greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis... "

" for the protection of the child and other students "

Please contact me ASAP. I want this issue resolved this week. My

daughter must receive her schedule in August with everyone else. Thank

you.

Sincerely,

> > >

> > > I just got a call from the school and they want me to come in for a

meeting with the principal now. Since I crossed out those sentences. He wants me

to sign the stupid form in front of him. Coercion and intimidation. He doesn't

know what he's in for with me.

> > >

> > > Jane

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Look at the CA blue form. Look closely. It does not even seem the P or aP portion is required at all. http://www.cdph.ca.gov/pubsforms/forms/CtrldForms/pm286b.pdf

(Diphtheria, tetanus and [acellular] pertussis OR tetanus and diphtheria only) TP/DTaP/DT/Td [/uNQUOTE] - NOTE: italics mineFor the complete law -http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements/california.aspx You can also just write your own exemption. Cite your research, the law and case law.~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ From: Jane <janeshep@...>Vaccinations Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 3:06:00 PMSubject: Re: California Tdap exemption form for 7-12th graders

So I got tired of waiting for this principal to call me back. I just sent him this letter. He's a nice guy, I've talked with him before on other issues. I'll let you know what he responds. He'll probably send it to the health dept to get their feedback or approval. I don't care, I'm already on their "watch list" I'm sure because of my website and because I've written letters published in the local newspaper.

Dear Mr. Van Dyke,

I was told by Beth, the school nurse, that you would like me to come

in and meet with you regarding my daughter's exemption form for the

Tdap vaccine. She said either you or she would get back to me and I

haven't heard back. Can you please explain the purpose of this

meeting?

I have fully complied with the Law AB 354 by signing the exemption

form. By law, my daughter should be allowed in school in August. I did

cross out some of the wording on this form. The statement, "The

unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and home are a

greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis..." is not true. I have

been extensively researching vaccinations for over 16 years, and my

research shows me that this is not true. I will not sign a statement

that I know to be false. The pertussis vaccine is not an effective

vaccine, and most people who have had pertussis in CA over the past

year have been fully vaccinated. It is vaccinated kids and adults who

are spreading this disease. I have taken steps throughout my

daughter's life to strengthen her immune system and I believe she is

less likely to become sick with pertussis than vaccinated kids. In

fact, she was exposed to pertussis when she was a toddler, by a fully

vaccinated child with the disease. She did not get the disease. Of

course I know it's always possible that she may contract the disease

if exposed again, but she's not at any greater risk than those kids

who are vaccinated.

I also crossed out the statement, "I understand that, for the

protection of the child and other students, the child may be excluded

from attending school for prolonged periods during outbreaks of

pertussis". I do know that my daughter may be excluded from school if

there's an outbreak; it's part of the law, whether I cross this

statement out or not. I don't agree with this and that's why I crossed

it out. I've already signed that statement on the back of the original

blue immunization card already on file at the school. That should be

sufficient. But if crossing this statement out is a problem for you, I

will sign another form and not cross out that entire statement. I will

only cross out the part that says "for the protection of the child and

other students" since that part of the statement doesn't make any

sense at all.

Honestly, I'm not trying to be difficult and I know that you and I are

both very busy. We should not even have to deal with this. I just

cannot put my signature on something that I don't believe to be true.

And it doesn't change anything with the cross-outs - I'm still

exempting my daughter as required by law. There is nothing in that law

that requires that wording for exemption. The law does not even

require the additional new form.

I consider it tragic that the health department via the public school

system is coercing parents to make medical decisions for their

children. Vaccines, like all prescription medicines, carry risks.

Whether or not to vaccinate a child is not a decision to be taken

lightly. It should be decided by the parents in consultation with

their child's doctor after complete research - without outside

influence or coercion.

Please let me know ASAP if you would like me to sign another form. I

will come in and sign it. On this new form, I will only cross out the

following statements:

"The unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and home are

a greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis..."

"for the protection of the child and other students"

Please contact me ASAP. I want this issue resolved this week. My

daughter must receive her schedule in August with everyone else. Thank

you.

Sincerely,

> > >

> > > I just got a call from the school and they want me to come in for a meeting with the principal now. Since I crossed out those sentences. He wants me to sign the stupid form in front of him. Coercion and intimidation. He doesn't know what he's in for with me.

> > >

> > > Jane

> >

>

[Guest guest]

BY the way, I never was able to contact a principal in LAUSD without a prior appointment, and even then they often skunked out on me. ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ From: maureen gradvohl <mrsvoltaire@...>Vaccinations Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 3:19:40 PMSubject: Re: Re: California Tdap exemption form for 7-12th graders

Look at the CA blue form. Look closely. It does not even seem the P or aP portion is required at all. http://www.cdph.ca.gov/pubsforms/forms/CtrldForms/pm286b.pdf

(Diphtheria, tetanus and [acellular] pertussis OR tetanus and diphtheria only) TP/DTaP/DT/Td [/uNQUOTE] - NOTE: italics mineFor the complete law -http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements/california.aspx You can also just write your own exemption. Cite your research, the law and case law.~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ From: Jane <janeshep@...>Vaccinations Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 3:06:00 PMSubject: Re: California Tdap exemption form for 7-12th graders

So I got tired of waiting for this principal to call me back. I just sent him this letter. He's a nice guy, I've talked with him before on other issues. I'll let you know what he responds. He'll probably send it to the health dept to get their feedback or approval. I don't care, I'm already on their "watch list" I'm sure because of my website and because I've written letters published in the local newspaper.

Dear Mr. Van Dyke,

I was told by Beth, the school nurse, that you would like me to come

in and meet with you regarding my daughter's exemption form for the

Tdap vaccine. She said either you or she would get back to me and I

haven't heard back. Can you please explain the purpose of this

meeting?

I have fully complied with the Law AB 354 by signing the exemption

form. By law, my daughter should be allowed in school in August. I did

cross out some of the wording on this form. The statement, "The

unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and home are a

greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis..." is not true. I have

been extensively researching vaccinations for over 16 years, and my

research shows me that this is not true. I will not sign a statement

that I know to be false. The pertussis vaccine is not an effective

vaccine, and most people who have had pertussis in CA over the past

year have been fully vaccinated. It is vaccinated kids and adults who

are spreading this disease. I have taken steps throughout my

daughter's life to strengthen her immune system and I believe she is

less likely to become sick with pertussis than vaccinated kids. In

fact, she was exposed to pertussis when she was a toddler, by a fully

vaccinated child with the disease. She did not get the disease. Of

course I know it's always possible that she may contract the disease

if exposed again, but she's not at any greater risk than those kids

who are vaccinated.

I also crossed out the statement, "I understand that, for the

protection of the child and other students, the child may be excluded

from attending school for prolonged periods during outbreaks of

pertussis". I do know that my daughter may be excluded from school if

there's an outbreak; it's part of the law, whether I cross this

statement out or not. I don't agree with this and that's why I crossed

it out. I've already signed that statement on the back of the original

blue immunization card already on file at the school. That should be

sufficient. But if crossing this statement out is a problem for you, I

will sign another form and not cross out that entire statement. I will

only cross out the part that says "for the protection of the child and

other students" since that part of the statement doesn't make any

sense at all.

Honestly, I'm not trying to be difficult and I know that you and I are

both very busy. We should not even have to deal with this. I just

cannot put my signature on something that I don't believe to be true.

And it doesn't change anything with the cross-outs - I'm still

exempting my daughter as required by law. There is nothing in that law

that requires that wording for exemption. The law does not even

require the additional new form.

I consider it tragic that the health department via the public school

system is coercing parents to make medical decisions for their

children. Vaccines, like all prescription medicines, carry risks.

Whether or not to vaccinate a child is not a decision to be taken

lightly. It should be decided by the parents in consultation with

their child's doctor after complete research - without outside

influence or coercion.

Please let me know ASAP if you would like me to sign another form. I

will come in and sign it. On this new form, I will only cross out the

following statements:

"The unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and home are

a greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis..."

"for the protection of the child and other students"

Please contact me ASAP. I want this issue resolved this week. My

daughter must receive her schedule in August with everyone else. Thank

you.

Sincerely,

> > >

> > > I just got a call from the school and they want me to come in for a meeting with the principal now. Since I crossed out those sentences. He wants me to sign the stupid form in front of him. Coercion and intimidation. He doesn't know what he's in for with me.

> > >

> > > Jane

> >

>

[Guest guest]

There are new requirements for pertussis (Sheri sent them out over the weekend) and it doesn't appear NVIC has them on its site yet. There is a second waiver required just for pertussis in addition to the regular one at the cdph.ca.gov link.

I think the letter is great, Jane. It was factual, calm and I like that you made it clear about your daughter getting her schedule on time. Let's hope reason and logic work for a change!

Winnie

Re: California Tdap exemption form for 7-> 12th graders> > > So I got tired of waiting for this principal to call me back. I > just sent him > this letter. He's a nice guy, I've talked with him before on > other issues. I'll > let you know what he responds. He'll probably send it to the > health dept to get > their feedback or approval. I don't care, I'm already on their > "watch list" I'm > sure because of my website and because I've written letters > published in the > local newspaper. > > > Dear Mr. Van Dyke,> > I was told by Beth, the school nurse, that you would like me to come> in and meet with you regarding my daughter's exemption form for the> Tdap vaccine. She said either you or she would get back to me > and I> haven't heard back. Can you please explain the purpose of this> meeting?> > I have fully complied with the Law AB 354 by signing the exemption> form. By law, my daughter should be allowed in school in August. > I did> cross out some of the wording on this form. The statement, "The> unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and home > are a> greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis..." is not true. I have> been extensively researching vaccinations for over 16 years, and my> research shows me that this is not true. I will not sign a statement> that I know to be false. The pertussis vaccine is not an effective> vaccine, and most people who have had pertussis in CA over the past> year have been fully vaccinated. It is vaccinated kids and > adults who> are spreading this disease. I have taken steps throughout my> daughter's life to strengthen her immune system and I believe > she is> less likely to become sick with pertussis than vaccinated kids. In> fact, she was exposed to pertussis when she was a toddler, by a fully> vaccinated child with the disease. She did not get the disease. Of> course I know it's always possible that she may contract the disease> if exposed again, but she's not at any greater risk than those kids> who are vaccinated.> > I also crossed out the statement, "I understand that, for the> protection of the child and other students, the child may be excluded> from attending school for prolonged periods during outbreaks of> pertussis". I do know that my daughter may be excluded from > school if> there's an outbreak; it's part of the law, whether I cross this> statement out or not. I don't agree with this and that's why I crossed> it out. I've already signed that statement on the back of the original> blue immunization card already on file at the school. That > should be> sufficient. But if crossing this statement out is a problem for > you, I> will sign another form and not cross out that entire statement. > I will> only cross out the part that says "for the protection of the > child and> other students" since that part of the statement doesn't make any> sense at all.> > Honestly, I'm not trying to be difficult and I know that you and > I are> both very busy. We should not even have to deal with this. I just> cannot put my signature on something that I don't believe to be true.> And it doesn't change anything with the cross-outs - I'm still> exempting my daughter as required by law. There is nothing in > that law> that requires that wording for exemption. The law does not even> require the additional new form.> > I consider it tragic that the health department via the public school> system is coercing parents to make medical decisions for their> children. Vaccines, like all prescription medicines, carry risks.> Whether or not to vaccinate a child is not a decision to be taken> lightly. It should be decided by the parents in consultation with> their child's doctor after complete research - without outside> influence or coercion.> > Please let me know ASAP if you would like me to sign another > form. I> will come in and sign it. On this new form, I will only cross > out the> following statements:> > "The unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and > home are> a greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis..."> > "for the protection of the child and other students"> > Please contact me ASAP. I want this issue resolved this week. My> daughter must receive her schedule in August with everyone else. Thank> you.> > Sincerely,> > > > > >> > > > I just got a call from the school and they want me to come > in for a meeting > >with the principal now. Since I crossed out those sentences. He > wants me to sign > >the stupid form in front of him. Coercion and intimidation. He > doesn't know what > >he's in for with me.> > > > > > > > Jane> > >> >> > > >

[Guest guest]

Good letter with a very clear explanation. Maybe more explanation than he

deserves, but then again you said he was nice.

He might have only been concerned that you crossed out the part about possibly

being excluded during an outbreak.

>

> So I got tired of waiting for this principal to call me back. I just sent him

this letter. He's a nice guy, I've talked with him before on other issues. I'll

let you know what he responds. He'll probably send it to the health dept to get

their feedback or approval. I don't care, I'm already on their " watch list " I'm

sure because of my website and because I've written letters published in the

local newspaper.

>

> Dear Mr. Van Dyke,

>

> I was told by Beth, the school nurse, that you would like me to come

> in and meet with you regarding my daughter's exemption form for the

> Tdap vaccine. She said either you or she would get back to me and I

> haven't heard back. Can you please explain the purpose of this

> meeting?

>

> I have fully complied with the Law AB 354 by signing the exemption

> form. By law, my daughter should be allowed in school in August. I did

> cross out some of the wording on this form. The statement, " The

> unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and home are a

> greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis... " is not true. I have

> been extensively researching vaccinations for over 16 years, and my

> research shows me that this is not true. I will not sign a statement

> that I know to be false. The pertussis vaccine is not an effective

> vaccine, and most people who have had pertussis in CA over the past

> year have been fully vaccinated. It is vaccinated kids and adults who

> are spreading this disease. I have taken steps throughout my

> daughter's life to strengthen her immune system and I believe she is

> less likely to become sick with pertussis than vaccinated kids. In

> fact, she was exposed to pertussis when she was a toddler, by a fully

> vaccinated child with the disease. She did not get the disease. Of

> course I know it's always possible that she may contract the disease

> if exposed again, but she's not at any greater risk than those kids

> who are vaccinated.

>

> I also crossed out the statement, " I understand that, for the

> protection of the child and other students, the child may be excluded

> from attending school for prolonged periods during outbreaks of

> pertussis " . I do know that my daughter may be excluded from school if

> there's an outbreak; it's part of the law, whether I cross this

> statement out or not. I don't agree with this and that's why I crossed

> it out. I've already signed that statement on the back of the original

> blue immunization card already on file at the school. That should be

> sufficient. But if crossing this statement out is a problem for you, I

> will sign another form and not cross out that entire statement. I will

> only cross out the part that says " for the protection of the child and

> other students " since that part of the statement doesn't make any

> sense at all.

>

> Honestly, I'm not trying to be difficult and I know that you and I are

> both very busy. We should not even have to deal with this. I just

> cannot put my signature on something that I don't believe to be true.

> And it doesn't change anything with the cross-outs - I'm still

> exempting my daughter as required by law. There is nothing in that law

> that requires that wording for exemption. The law does not even

> require the additional new form.

>

> I consider it tragic that the health department via the public school

> system is coercing parents to make medical decisions for their

> children. Vaccines, like all prescription medicines, carry risks.

> Whether or not to vaccinate a child is not a decision to be taken

> lightly. It should be decided by the parents in consultation with

> their child's doctor after complete research - without outside

> influence or coercion.

>

> Please let me know ASAP if you would like me to sign another form. I

> will come in and sign it. On this new form, I will only cross out the

> following statements:

>

> " The unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and home are

> a greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis... "

>

> " for the protection of the child and other students "

>

> Please contact me ASAP. I want this issue resolved this week. My

> daughter must receive her schedule in August with everyone else. Thank

> you.

>

> Sincerely,

>

[Guest guest]

I got this email back from him. I think the schools are just doing their best to

comply with the health depts. They don't know what to do when someone doesn't

play the stupid game.

Ms. Sheppard,

Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. This process, and the the new

law, are very new to us at the school sites. We have been directed to have the

objector sign only in our presence. There was never a discussion about someone

lining out sections of the document.

It will take me a while, but I have to check with the coordinator downtown

regarding your remarks below. After I have discussed with her what my course of

action should be, I will get back to you.

Thank you for your patience on this matter.

> >

> > So I got tired of waiting for this principal to call me back. I just sent

him this letter. He's a nice guy, I've talked with him before on other issues.

I'll let you know what he responds. He'll probably send it to the health dept to

get their feedback or approval. I don't care, I'm already on their " watch list "

I'm sure because of my website and because I've written letters published in the

local newspaper.

> >

> > Dear Mr. Van Dyke,

> >

> > I was told by Beth, the school nurse, that you would like me to come

> > in and meet with you regarding my daughter's exemption form for the

> > Tdap vaccine. She said either you or she would get back to me and I

> > haven't heard back. Can you please explain the purpose of this

> > meeting?

> >

> > I have fully complied with the Law AB 354 by signing the exemption

> > form. By law, my daughter should be allowed in school in August. I did

> > cross out some of the wording on this form. The statement, " The

> > unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and home are a

> > greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis... " is not true. I have

> > been extensively researching vaccinations for over 16 years, and my

> > research shows me that this is not true. I will not sign a statement

> > that I know to be false. The pertussis vaccine is not an effective

> > vaccine, and most people who have had pertussis in CA over the past

> > year have been fully vaccinated. It is vaccinated kids and adults who

> > are spreading this disease. I have taken steps throughout my

> > daughter's life to strengthen her immune system and I believe she is

> > less likely to become sick with pertussis than vaccinated kids. In

> > fact, she was exposed to pertussis when she was a toddler, by a fully

> > vaccinated child with the disease. She did not get the disease. Of

> > course I know it's always possible that she may contract the disease

> > if exposed again, but she's not at any greater risk than those kids

> > who are vaccinated.

> >

> > I also crossed out the statement, " I understand that, for the

> > protection of the child and other students, the child may be excluded

> > from attending school for prolonged periods during outbreaks of

> > pertussis " . I do know that my daughter may be excluded from school if

> > there's an outbreak; it's part of the law, whether I cross this

> > statement out or not. I don't agree with this and that's why I crossed

> > it out. I've already signed that statement on the back of the original

> > blue immunization card already on file at the school. That should be

> > sufficient. But if crossing this statement out is a problem for you, I

> > will sign another form and not cross out that entire statement. I will

> > only cross out the part that says " for the protection of the child and

> > other students " since that part of the statement doesn't make any

> > sense at all.

> >

> > Honestly, I'm not trying to be difficult and I know that you and I are

> > both very busy. We should not even have to deal with this. I just

> > cannot put my signature on something that I don't believe to be true.

> > And it doesn't change anything with the cross-outs - I'm still

> > exempting my daughter as required by law. There is nothing in that law

> > that requires that wording for exemption. The law does not even

> > require the additional new form.

> >

> > I consider it tragic that the health department via the public school

> > system is coercing parents to make medical decisions for their

> > children. Vaccines, like all prescription medicines, carry risks.

> > Whether or not to vaccinate a child is not a decision to be taken

> > lightly. It should be decided by the parents in consultation with

> > their child's doctor after complete research - without outside

> > influence or coercion.

> >

> > Please let me know ASAP if you would like me to sign another form. I

> > will come in and sign it. On this new form, I will only cross out the

> > following statements:

> >

> > " The unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and home are

> > a greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis... "

> >

> > " for the protection of the child and other students "

> >

> > Please contact me ASAP. I want this issue resolved this week. My

> > daughter must receive her schedule in August with everyone else. Thank

> > you.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

>

[Guest guest]

"course of action" -? wtf? You are enrolling your child in school, not negotiating a settlement. What is going on? ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ From: Jane <janeshep@...>Vaccinations Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 5:49:49 AMSubject:

Re: California Tdap exemption form for 7-12th graders

I got this email back from him. I think the schools are just doing their best to comply with the health depts. They don't know what to do when someone doesn't play the stupid game.

Ms. Sheppard,

Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. This process, and the the new law, are very new to us at the school sites. We have been directed to have the objector sign only in our presence. There was never a discussion about someone lining out sections of the document.

It will take me a while, but I have to check with the coordinator downtown regarding your remarks below. After I have discussed with her what my course of action should be, I will get back to you.

Thank you for your patience on this matter.

> >

> > So I got tired of waiting for this principal to call me back. I just sent him this letter. He's a nice guy, I've talked with him before on other issues. I'll let you know what he responds. He'll probably send it to the health dept to get their feedback or approval. I don't care, I'm already on their "watch list" I'm sure because of my website and because I've written letters published in the local newspaper.

> >

> > Dear Mr. Van Dyke,

> >

> > I was told by Beth, the school nurse, that you would like me to come

> > in and meet with you regarding my daughter's exemption form for the

> > Tdap vaccine. She said either you or she would get back to me and I

> > haven't heard back. Can you please explain the purpose of this

> > meeting?

> >

> > I have fully complied with the Law AB 354 by signing the exemption

> > form. By law, my daughter should be allowed in school in August. I did

> > cross out some of the wording on this form. The statement, "The

> > unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and home are a

> > greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis..." is not true. I have

> > been extensively researching vaccinations for over 16 years, and my

> > research shows me that this is not true. I will not sign a statement

> > that I know to be false. The pertussis vaccine is not an effective

> > vaccine, and most people who have had pertussis in CA over the past

> > year have been fully vaccinated. It is vaccinated kids and adults who

> > are spreading this disease. I have taken steps throughout my

> > daughter's life to strengthen her immune system and I believe she is

> > less likely to become sick with pertussis than vaccinated kids. In

> > fact, she was exposed to pertussis when she was a toddler, by a fully

> > vaccinated child with the disease. She did not get the disease. Of

> > course I know it's always possible that she may contract the disease

> > if exposed again, but she's not at any greater risk than those kids

> > who are vaccinated.

> >

> > I also crossed out the statement, "I understand that, for the

> > protection of the child and other students, the child may be excluded

> > from attending school for prolonged periods during outbreaks of

> > pertussis". I do know that my daughter may be excluded from school if

> > there's an outbreak; it's part of the law, whether I cross this

> > statement out or not. I don't agree with this and that's why I crossed

> > it out. I've already signed that statement on the back of the original

> > blue immunization card already on file at the school. That should be

> > sufficient. But if crossing this statement out is a problem for you, I

> > will sign another form and not cross out that entire statement. I will

> > only cross out the part that says "for the protection of the child and

> > other students" since that part of the statement doesn't make any

> > sense at all.

> >

> > Honestly, I'm not trying to be difficult and I know that you and I are

> > both very busy. We should not even have to deal with this. I just

> > cannot put my signature on something that I don't believe to be true.

> > And it doesn't change anything with the cross-outs - I'm still

> > exempting my daughter as required by law. There is nothing in that law

> > that requires that wording for exemption. The law does not even

> > require the additional new form.

> >

> > I consider it tragic that the health department via the public school

> > system is coercing parents to make medical decisions for their

> > children. Vaccines, like all prescription medicines, carry risks.

> > Whether or not to vaccinate a child is not a decision to be taken

> > lightly. It should be decided by the parents in consultation with

> > their child's doctor after complete research - without outside

> > influence or coercion.

> >

> > Please let me know ASAP if you would like me to sign another form. I

> > will come in and sign it. On this new form, I will only cross out the

> > following statements:

> >

> > "The unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and home are

> > a greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis..."

> >

> > "for the protection of the child and other students"

> >

> > Please contact me ASAP. I want this issue resolved this week. My

> > daughter must receive her schedule in August with everyone else. Thank

> > you.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

>

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Yeah.. you could write another letter and say well, if this is too complicated for you and too foreign, I am happy to withdraw my child from your school and educate her at home. I am sure then I won’t have to worry about “policies†and “course of action†and I won’t have to worry about her contracting a disease from one of the vaccinated and disease riddled kids in attendance. Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 16, 14, 12, 9, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 5, Isaac 3 and , born 3/1/11http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.comLearn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself.

[Guest guest]

Per the PM 286 S sticker the state is using to add onto the blue form, it only states that there is a "personal belief affidavit on file," not that it must be for PBE 8261, and considering the regular blue form does not require signing in front of school officials, this second form should not require it, either.

I would mail this to him, along with my own affidavit: "While the school figures out what is their job to understand BEFORE issuing demands of parents, I am submitting my own personal belief exemption affidavit, per the law, rather than using form PBE 8261 at all. Therefore, there is no need for you to be concerned with what I have crossed out, and certainly no legal requirement for me to sign this in front of you."

Then demand an immediate meeting to settle it.

Winnie

Re: California Tdap exemption form for 7-12th gradersVaccinations > I got this email back from him. I think the schools are just > doing their best to comply with the health depts. They don't > know what to do when someone doesn't play the stupid game. > > Ms. Sheppard,> > Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. This process, > and the the new law, are very new to us at the school sites. We > have been directed to have the objector sign only in our > presence. There was never a discussion about someone lining out > sections of the document.> > It will take me a while, but I have to check with the > coordinator downtown regarding your remarks below. After I have > discussed with her what my course of action should be, I will > get back to you.> > Thank you for your patience on this matter.> > > > > > >> > > So I got tired of waiting for this principal to call me > back. I just sent him this letter. He's a nice guy, I've talked > with him before on other issues. I'll let you know what he > responds. He'll probably send it to the health dept to get their > feedback or approval. I don't care, I'm already on their "watch > list" I'm sure because of my website and because I've written > letters published in the local newspaper. > > > > > > Dear Mr. Van Dyke,> > > > > > I was told by Beth, the school nurse, that you would like me > to come> > > in and meet with you regarding my daughter's exemption form > for the> > > Tdap vaccine. She said either you or she would get back to > me and I> > > haven't heard back. Can you please explain the purpose of this> > > meeting?> > > > > > I have fully complied with the Law AB 354 by signing the exemption> > > form. By law, my daughter should be allowed in school in > August. I did> > > cross out some of the wording on this form. The statement, "The> > > unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and > home are a> > > greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis..." is not > true. I have> > > been extensively researching vaccinations for over 16 years, > and my> > > research shows me that this is not true. I will not sign a > statement> > that I know to be false. The pertussis vaccine is > not an effective> > > vaccine, and most people who have had pertussis in CA over > the past> > > year have been fully vaccinated. It is vaccinated kids and > adults who> > > are spreading this disease. I have taken steps throughout my> > > daughter's life to strengthen her immune system and I > believe she is> > > less likely to become sick with pertussis than vaccinated > kids. In> > > fact, she was exposed to pertussis when she was a toddler, > by a fully> > > vaccinated child with the disease. She did not get the > disease. Of> > > course I know it's always possible that she may contract the > disease> > if exposed again, but she's not at any greater risk > than those kids> > > who are vaccinated.> > > > > > I also crossed out the statement, "I understand that, for the> > > protection of the child and other students, the child may be > excluded> > from attending school for prolonged periods during > outbreaks of> > > pertussis". I do know that my daughter may be excluded from > school if> > > there's an outbreak; it's part of the law, whether I cross this> > > statement out or not. I don't agree with this and that's why > I crossed> > > it out. I've already signed that statement on the back of > the original> > > blue immunization card already on file at the school. That > should be> > > sufficient. But if crossing this statement out is a problem > for you, I> > > will sign another form and not cross out that entire > statement. I will> > > only cross out the part that says "for the protection of the > child and> > > other students" since that part of the statement doesn't > make any> > > sense at all.> > > > > > Honestly, I'm not trying to be difficult and I know that you > and I are> > > both very busy. We should not even have to deal with this. I just> > > cannot put my signature on something that I don't believe to > be true.> > > And it doesn't change anything with the cross-outs - I'm still> > > exempting my daughter as required by law. There is nothing > in that law> > > that requires that wording for exemption. The law does not even> > > require the additional new form.> > > > > > I consider it tragic that the health department via the > public school> > > system is coercing parents to make medical decisions for their> > > children. Vaccines, like all prescription medicines, carry risks.> > > Whether or not to vaccinate a child is not a decision to be taken> > > lightly. It should be decided by the parents in consultation with> > > their child's doctor after complete research - without outside> > > influence or coercion.> > > > > > Please let me know ASAP if you would like me to sign another > form. I> > > will come in and sign it. On this new form, I will only > cross out the> > > following statements:> > > > > > "The unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school > and home are> > > a greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis..."> > > > > > "for the protection of the child and other students"> > > > > > Please contact me ASAP. I want this issue resolved this > week. My> > > daughter must receive her schedule in August with everyone > else. Thank> > > you.> > > > > > Sincerely,> > >> >> > >

[Guest guest]

I would add that the states own form 8261 merely states that parents "should" sign it, not that they legally must.

Winnie Re: Re: California Tdap exemption form for 7-12th gradersVaccinations > Per the PM 286 S sticker the state is using to add onto the blue > form, it only states that there is a "personal belief affidavit > on file," not that it must be for PBE 8261, and considering the > regular blue form does not require signing in front of school > officials, this second form should not require it, either. > > I would mail this to him, along with my own affidavit: "While > the school figures out what is their job to understand BEFORE > issuing demands of parents, I am submitting my own personal > belief exemption affidavit, per the law, rather than using form > PBE 8261 at all. Therefore, there is no need for you to be > concerned with what I have crossed out, and certainly no legal > requirement for me to sign this in front of you." > > Then demand an immediate meeting to settle it.> > Winnie> >

[Guest guest]

May want to remind him that the law doesn't say anything about

needing a separate form.

To go by the law for exemptions you only need to sign the back of the blue form

Sheri

At 06:49 AM 6/3/2011, you wrote:

>I got this email back from him. I think the schools are just doing

>their best to comply with the health depts. They don't know what to

>do when someone doesn't play the stupid game.

>

>Ms. Sheppard,

>

>Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. This process, and

>the the new law, are very new to us at the school sites. We have

>been directed to have the objector sign only in our presence. There

>was never a discussion about someone lining out sections of the document.

>

>It will take me a while, but I have to check with the coordinator

>downtown regarding your remarks below. After I have discussed with

>her what my course of action should be, I will get back to you.

>

>Thank you for your patience on this matter.

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > So I got tired of waiting for this principal to call me back. I

> just sent him this letter. He's a nice guy, I've talked with him

> before on other issues. I'll let you know what he responds. He'll

> probably send it to the health dept to get their feedback or

> approval. I don't care, I'm already on their " watch list " I'm sure

> because of my website and because I've written letters published in

> the local newspaper.

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Van Dyke,

> > >

> > > I was told by Beth, the school nurse, that you would like me to come

> > > in and meet with you regarding my daughter's exemption form for the

> > > Tdap vaccine. She said either you or she would get back to me and I

> > > haven't heard back. Can you please explain the purpose of this

> > > meeting?

> > >

> > > I have fully complied with the Law AB 354 by signing the exemption

> > > form. By law, my daughter should be allowed in school in August. I did

> > > cross out some of the wording on this form. The statement, " The

> > > unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and home are a

> > > greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis... " is not true. I have

> > > been extensively researching vaccinations for over 16 years, and my

> > > research shows me that this is not true. I will not sign a statement

> > > that I know to be false. The pertussis vaccine is not an effective

> > > vaccine, and most people who have had pertussis in CA over the past

> > > year have been fully vaccinated. It is vaccinated kids and adults who

> > > are spreading this disease. I have taken steps throughout my

> > > daughter's life to strengthen her immune system and I believe she is

> > > less likely to become sick with pertussis than vaccinated kids. In

> > > fact, she was exposed to pertussis when she was a toddler, by a fully

> > > vaccinated child with the disease. She did not get the disease. Of

> > > course I know it's always possible that she may contract the disease

> > > if exposed again, but she's not at any greater risk than those kids

> > > who are vaccinated.

> > >

> > > I also crossed out the statement, " I understand that, for the

> > > protection of the child and other students, the child may be excluded

> > > from attending school for prolonged periods during outbreaks of

> > > pertussis " . I do know that my daughter may be excluded from school if

> > > there's an outbreak; it's part of the law, whether I cross this

> > > statement out or not. I don't agree with this and that's why I crossed

> > > it out. I've already signed that statement on the back of the original

> > > blue immunization card already on file at the school. That should be

> > > sufficient. But if crossing this statement out is a problem for you, I

> > > will sign another form and not cross out that entire statement. I will

> > > only cross out the part that says " for the protection of the child and

> > > other students " since that part of the statement doesn't make any

> > > sense at all.

> > >

> > > Honestly, I'm not trying to be difficult and I know that you and I are

> > > both very busy. We should not even have to deal with this. I just

> > > cannot put my signature on something that I don't believe to be true.

> > > And it doesn't change anything with the cross-outs - I'm still

> > > exempting my daughter as required by law. There is nothing in that law

> > > that requires that wording for exemption. The law does not even

> > > require the additional new form.

> > >

> > > I consider it tragic that the health department via the public school

> > > system is coercing parents to make medical decisions for their

> > > children. Vaccines, like all prescription medicines, carry risks.

> > > Whether or not to vaccinate a child is not a decision to be taken

> > > lightly. It should be decided by the parents in consultation with

> > > their child's doctor after complete research - without outside

> > > influence or coercion.

> > >

> > > Please let me know ASAP if you would like me to sign another form. I

> > > will come in and sign it. On this new form, I will only cross out the

> > > following statements:

> > >

> > > " The unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and home are

> > > a greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis... "

> > >

> > > " for the protection of the child and other students "

> > >

> > > Please contact me ASAP. I want this issue resolved this week. My

> > > daughter must receive her schedule in August with everyone else. Thank

> > > you.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm in San Diego and will be registering my son early next week for his first year of high school. I'm soaking in all this information so I can be prepared! Jane, I thought your letter was great!

From: Sheri Nakken <vaccinedangers@...>Vaccinations Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 10:07:35 AMSubject: Re: Re: California Tdap exemption form for 7-12th graders

May want to remind him that the law doesn't say anything about needing a separate form.To go by the law for exemptions you only need to sign the back of the blue formSheriAt 06:49 AM 6/3/2011, you wrote:>I got this email back from him. I think the schools are just doing >their best to comply with the health depts. They don't know what to >do when someone doesn't play the stupid game.>>Ms. Sheppard,>>Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. This process, and >the the new law, are very new to us at the school sites. We have >been directed to have the objector sign only in our presence. There >was never a discussion about someone lining out sections of the document.>>It will take me a while, but I have to check with the coordinator >downtown regarding your remarks below. After I have discussed with >her what my course of action

should be, I will get back to you.>>Thank you for your patience on this matter.>>>>> > >> > > So I got tired of waiting for this principal to call me back. I

> just sent him this letter. He's a nice guy, I've talked with him > before on other issues. I'll let you know what he responds. He'll > probably send it to the health dept to get their feedback or > approval. I don't care, I'm already on their "watch list" I'm sure > because of my website and because I've written letters published in > the local newspaper.> > >> > > Dear Mr. Van Dyke,> > >> > > I was told by Beth, the school nurse, that you would like me to come> > > in and meet with you regarding my daughter's exemption form for the> > > Tdap vaccine. She said either you or she would get back to me and I> > > haven't heard back. Can you please explain the purpose of this> > > meeting?> > >> > > I have fully complied with the Law AB 354 by signing the exemption> > >

form. By law, my daughter should be allowed in school in August. I did> > > cross out some of the wording on this form. The statement, "The> > > unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and home are a> > > greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis..." is not true. I have> > > been extensively researching vaccinations for over 16 years, and my> > > research shows me that this is not true. I will not sign a statement> > > that I know to be false. The pertussis vaccine is not an effective> > > vaccine, and most people who have had pertussis in CA over the past> > > year have been fully vaccinated. It is vaccinated kids and adults who> > > are spreading this disease. I have taken steps throughout my> > > daughter's life to strengthen her immune system and I believe she is> > > less likely to become

sick with pertussis than vaccinated kids. In> > > fact, she was exposed to pertussis when she was a toddler, by a fully> > > vaccinated child with the disease. She did not get the disease. Of> > > course I know it's always possible that she may contract the disease> > > if exposed again, but she's not at any greater risk than those kids> > > who are vaccinated.> > >> > > I also crossed out the statement, "I understand that, for the> > > protection of the child and other students, the child may be excluded> > > from attending school for prolonged periods during outbreaks of> > > pertussis". I do know that my daughter may be excluded from school if> > > there's an outbreak; it's part of the law, whether I cross this> > > statement out or not. I don't agree with this and that's why I crossed>

> > it out. I've already signed that statement on the back of the original> > > blue immunization card already on file at the school. That should be> > > sufficient. But if crossing this statement out is a problem for you, I> > > will sign another form and not cross out that entire statement. I will> > > only cross out the part that says "for the protection of the child and> > > other students" since that part of the statement doesn't make any> > > sense at all.> > >> > > Honestly, I'm not trying to be difficult and I know that you and I are> > > both very busy. We should not even have to deal with this. I just> > > cannot put my signature on something that I don't believe to be true.> > > And it doesn't change anything with the cross-outs - I'm still> > > exempting my daughter as required by

law. There is nothing in that law> > > that requires that wording for exemption. The law does not even> > > require the additional new form.> > >> > > I consider it tragic that the health department via the public school> > > system is coercing parents to make medical decisions for their> > > children. Vaccines, like all prescription medicines, carry risks.> > > Whether or not to vaccinate a child is not a decision to be taken> > > lightly. It should be decided by the parents in consultation with> > > their child's doctor after complete research - without outside> > > influence or coercion.> > >> > > Please let me know ASAP if you would like me to sign another form. I> > > will come in and sign it. On this new form, I will only cross out the> > > following

statements:> > >> > > "The unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and home are> > > a greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis..."> > >> > > "for the protection of the child and other students"> > >> > > Please contact me ASAP. I want this issue resolved this week. My> > > daughter must receive her schedule in August with everyone else. Thank> > > you.> > >> > > Sincerely,

[Guest guest]

I'm in San Diego and will be registering my son early next week for his first year of high school. I'm soaking in all this information so I can be prepared! Jane, I thought your letter was great!

From: Sheri Nakken <vaccinedangers@...>Vaccinations Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 10:07:35 AMSubject: Re: Re: California Tdap exemption form for 7-12th graders

May want to remind him that the law doesn't say anything about needing a separate form.To go by the law for exemptions you only need to sign the back of the blue formSheriAt 06:49 AM 6/3/2011, you wrote:>I got this email back from him. I think the schools are just doing >their best to comply with the health depts. They don't know what to >do when someone doesn't play the stupid game.>>Ms. Sheppard,>>Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. This process, and >the the new law, are very new to us at the school sites. We have >been directed to have the objector sign only in our presence. There >was never a discussion about someone lining out sections of the document.>>It will take me a while, but I have to check with the coordinator >downtown regarding your remarks below. After I have discussed with >her what my course of action

should be, I will get back to you.>>Thank you for your patience on this matter.>>>>> > >> > > So I got tired of waiting for this principal to call me back. I

> just sent him this letter. He's a nice guy, I've talked with him > before on other issues. I'll let you know what he responds. He'll > probably send it to the health dept to get their feedback or > approval. I don't care, I'm already on their "watch list" I'm sure > because of my website and because I've written letters published in > the local newspaper.> > >> > > Dear Mr. Van Dyke,> > >> > > I was told by Beth, the school nurse, that you would like me to come> > > in and meet with you regarding my daughter's exemption form for the> > > Tdap vaccine. She said either you or she would get back to me and I> > > haven't heard back. Can you please explain the purpose of this> > > meeting?> > >> > > I have fully complied with the Law AB 354 by signing the exemption> > >

form. By law, my daughter should be allowed in school in August. I did> > > cross out some of the wording on this form. The statement, "The> > > unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and home are a> > > greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis..." is not true. I have> > > been extensively researching vaccinations for over 16 years, and my> > > research shows me that this is not true. I will not sign a statement> > > that I know to be false. The pertussis vaccine is not an effective> > > vaccine, and most people who have had pertussis in CA over the past> > > year have been fully vaccinated. It is vaccinated kids and adults who> > > are spreading this disease. I have taken steps throughout my> > > daughter's life to strengthen her immune system and I believe she is> > > less likely to become

sick with pertussis than vaccinated kids. In> > > fact, she was exposed to pertussis when she was a toddler, by a fully> > > vaccinated child with the disease. She did not get the disease. Of> > > course I know it's always possible that she may contract the disease> > > if exposed again, but she's not at any greater risk than those kids> > > who are vaccinated.> > >> > > I also crossed out the statement, "I understand that, for the> > > protection of the child and other students, the child may be excluded> > > from attending school for prolonged periods during outbreaks of> > > pertussis". I do know that my daughter may be excluded from school if> > > there's an outbreak; it's part of the law, whether I cross this> > > statement out or not. I don't agree with this and that's why I crossed>

> > it out. I've already signed that statement on the back of the original> > > blue immunization card already on file at the school. That should be> > > sufficient. But if crossing this statement out is a problem for you, I> > > will sign another form and not cross out that entire statement. I will> > > only cross out the part that says "for the protection of the child and> > > other students" since that part of the statement doesn't make any> > > sense at all.> > >> > > Honestly, I'm not trying to be difficult and I know that you and I are> > > both very busy. We should not even have to deal with this. I just> > > cannot put my signature on something that I don't believe to be true.> > > And it doesn't change anything with the cross-outs - I'm still> > > exempting my daughter as required by

law. There is nothing in that law> > > that requires that wording for exemption. The law does not even> > > require the additional new form.> > >> > > I consider it tragic that the health department via the public school> > > system is coercing parents to make medical decisions for their> > > children. Vaccines, like all prescription medicines, carry risks.> > > Whether or not to vaccinate a child is not a decision to be taken> > > lightly. It should be decided by the parents in consultation with> > > their child's doctor after complete research - without outside> > > influence or coercion.> > >> > > Please let me know ASAP if you would like me to sign another form. I> > > will come in and sign it. On this new form, I will only cross out the> > > following

statements:> > >> > > "The unimmunized child and the child's contacts at school and home are> > > a greater risk of becoming sick with pertussis..."> > >> > > "for the protection of the child and other students"> > >> > > Please contact me ASAP. I want this issue resolved this week. My> > > daughter must receive her schedule in August with everyone else. Thank> > > you.> > >> > > Sincerely,

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Excellent! That would cost the school district money. ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ From: Venita Garner <nitagarner@...>Vaccinations Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 6:56:05 AMSubject: RE: Re: California Tdap exemption form for

7-12th graders

Yeah.. you could write another letter and say well, if this is too complicated for you and too foreign, I am happy to withdraw my child from your school and educate her at home. I am sure then I won’t have to worry about “policies†and “course of action†and I won’t have to worry about her contracting a disease from one of the vaccinated and disease riddled kids in attendance. Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 16, 14, 12, 9, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 5, Isaac 3 and , born 3/1/11http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly current pictures and

http://nitasspot.blogspot.comLearn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself.

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LOVE it… I think we all need a miniature Winnie in our back pockets And I would still add something to the effect of ‘I am choosing to let you educate my child but I’m not getting very impressed yet.. I am still considering home schooling them because I know what my own policies are and I’m not demanding parents to go beyond the law.Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 16, 14, 12, 9, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 5, Isaac 3 and , born 3/1/11http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.comLearn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. Per the PM 286 S sticker the state is using to add onto the blue form, it only states that there is a " personal belief affidavit on file, " not that it must be for PBE 8261, and considering the regular blue form does not require signing in front of school officials, this second form should not require it, either. I would mail this to him, along with my own affidavit: " While the school figures out what is their job to understand BEFORE issuing demands of parents, I am submitting my own personal belief exemption affidavit, per the law, rather than using form PBE 8261 at all. Therefore, there is no need for you to be concerned with what I have crossed out, and certainly no legal requirement for me to sign this in front of you. " Then demand an immediate meeting to settle it.

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Would that be the taxpayers?

Winnie RE: Re: California Tdap exemption form > for 7-12th > graders> > > Yeah.. you could write another letter and say well, if this is > too complicated > for you and too foreign, I am happy to withdraw my child from > your school and > educate her at home. I am sure then I won’t have to worry about > “policies” and > “course of action” and I won’t have to worry about her > contracting a disease > from one of the vaccinated and disease riddled kids in attendance.> > Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 16, 14, 12, 9, > Christian > (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 5, Isaac 3 and , born 3/1/11> http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly current pictures and > http://nitasspot.blogspot.com> Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live > long enough to > make them all yourself.>

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No hopefully the kickbacks they get from the health dep’t… hit ‘em good They don’t tell parents the truth b/c it will hurt. Then they act all dumb when confronted w/ exemptions Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 16, 14, 12, 9, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 5, Isaac 3 and , born 3/1/11http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.comLearn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself.

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I don't think it costs the taxpayers any difference—-everyone pays money for

schools, whether you have kids in or not. But the districts get a certain

dollar amount for each child in their system. They lose that money when someone

pulls their child out. They have a dollar incentive to keep you.

Amy

>

> Would that be the taxpayers?

>

> Winnie

>

> RE: Re: California Tdap exemption form

> > for 7-12th

> > graders

> >

> >

> > Yeah.. you could write another letter and say well, if this is

> > too complicated

> > for you and too foreign, I am happy to withdraw my child from

> > your school and

> > educate her at home. I am sure then I won't have to worry about

> > " policies " and

> > " course of action " and I won't have to worry about her

> > contracting a disease

> > from one of the vaccinated and disease riddled kids in attendance.

> >

> > Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 16, 14, 12, 9,

> > Christian

> > (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 5, Isaac 3 and , born 3/1/11

> > http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly current pictures and

> > http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

> > Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live

> > long enough to

> > make them all yourself.

> >

>

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Because you want this resolved ASAP, you don't have time for his research, which

he said will take him awhile.

So what I would do at this point is write your own short letter to the school

saying the Tdap vaccine is against your beliefs. There is no need to get into

any detail. Bring the letter to him along with a copy of CA Health and Safety

Code Section 120365.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=hsc & group=120001-121000 & fi\

le=120325-120380

And then inform him that you are in full compliance with the law at this point,

and you consider this matter resolved, and you expect there will be no delays in

registration.

>

> I got this email back from him. I think the schools are just doing their best

to comply with the health depts. They don't know what to do when someone doesn't

play the stupid game.

>

> Ms. Sheppard,

>

> Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. This process, and the the

new law, are very new to us at the school sites. We have been directed to have

the objector sign only in our presence. There was never a discussion about

someone lining out sections of the document.

>

> It will take me a while, but I have to check with the coordinator downtown

regarding your remarks below. After I have discussed with her what my course of

action should be, I will get back to you.

>

> Thank you for your patience on this matter.

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I was just thinking that the taxpayers would have to make up that deficit in the budget.

Winnie RE: Re: California Tdap exemption > form > > > for 7-12th > > > graders> > > > > > > > > Yeah.. you could write another letter and say well, if this > is > > > too complicated > > > for you and too foreign, I am happy to withdraw my child > from > > > your school and > > > educate her at home. I am sure then I won't have to worry > about > > > "policies" and > > > "course of action" and I won't have to worry about her > > > contracting a disease > > > from one of the vaccinated and disease riddled kids in attendance.> > > > > > Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 16, 14, 12, > 9, > > > Christian > > > (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 5, Isaac 3 and , born 3/1/11> > > http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly current pictures and > > > http://nitasspot.blogspot.com> > > Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't > live > > > long enough to > > > make them all yourself.> > >> >> > >

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Thanks, everyone for your comments and advice on this. I sent the following

email to the principal today. Yes, if home schooling was an option for me I

wouldn't even deal with this, but my daughter is a kid who loves school,

strangely enough. She actually thrives in that environment and the social

activity is very important to her. I thought about it earlier on but decided to

send her to an alternative charter school for her elementary years, which was

great. Now she's in a mainstream high school and doing great. Home schooling

just wouldn't work for her. She would be very upset if she knew there was a

chance she won't get her schedule on time or wouldn't be able to start the year

off right. That sort of thing stresses her out. I need to get this handled now.

- Jane

Dear ,

I'm concerned that this may take a while, and I want to be certain now that my

daughter will get her schedule in August. There is no " course of action " that

needs to be taken. Here is the law:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=hsc & group=120001-121000 & fi\

le=120325-120380

120365. Immunization of a person shall not be required for

admission to a school or other institution listed in Section 120335

if the parent or guardian or adult who has assumed responsibility for

his or her care and custody in the case of a minor, or the person

seeking admission if an emancipated minor, files with the governing

authority a letter or affidavit stating that the immunization is

contrary to his or her beliefs. However, whenever there is good cause

to believe that the person has been exposed to one of the

communicable diseases listed in subdivision (a) of Section 120325,

that person may be temporarily excluded from the school or

institution until the local health officer is satisfied that the

person is no longer at risk of developing the disease.

All I need to do is give you a letter stating the immunization is contrary to my

beliefs. There is no requirement for this particular form with the additional

language. The form I already signed is legally sufficient. There is nothing for

anyone to figure out here.

I need to know now this week that my daughter will get her schedule on time in

August. I do not want to have to deal with this at the last minute. My daughter

is a very good student and the beginning of her school year should go smoothly

without delay. I have been totally compliant with this new law and I expect the

school to accept this.

Thanks for your attention to this matter.

> >

> > I got this email back from him. I think the schools are just doing their

best to comply with the health depts. They don't know what to do when someone

doesn't play the stupid game.

> >

> > Ms. Sheppard,

> >

> > Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. This process, and the the

new law, are very new to us at the school sites. We have been directed to have

the objector sign only in our presence. There was never a discussion about

someone lining out sections of the document.

> >

> > It will take me a while, but I have to check with the coordinator downtown

regarding your remarks below. After I have discussed with her what my course of

action should be, I will get back to you.

> >

> > Thank you for your patience on this matter.

>

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Perfect. I would follow it up with a hard copy sent by certified mail with a receipt requested.

Winnie Re: California Tdap exemption form for 7-12th gradersVaccinations > Thanks, everyone for your comments and advice on this. I sent > the following email to the principal today. Yes, if home > schooling was an option for me I wouldn't even deal with this, > but my daughter is a kid who loves school, strangely enough. She > actually thrives in that environment and the social activity is > very important to her. I thought about it earlier on but decided > to send her to an alternative charter school for her elementary > years, which was great. Now she's in a mainstream high school > and doing great. Home schooling just wouldn't work for her. She > would be very upset if she knew there was a chance she won't get > her schedule on time or wouldn't be able to start the year off > right. That sort of thing stresses her out. I need to get this > handled now. - Jane> > Dear ,> > I'm concerned that this may take a while, and I want to be > certain now that my daughter will get her schedule in August. > There is no "course of action" that needs to be taken. Here is > the law:> > http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-> bin/displaycode?section=hsc & group=120001-121000 & file=120325-> 120380 > > 120365. Immunization of a person shall not be required for> admission to a school or other institution listed in Section 120335> if the parent or guardian or adult who has assumed > responsibility for> his or her care and custody in the case of a minor, or the person> seeking admission if an emancipated minor, files with the governing> authority a letter or affidavit stating that the immunization is> contrary to his or her beliefs. However, whenever there is good cause> to believe that the person has been exposed to one of the> communicable diseases listed in subdivision (a) of Section 120325,> that person may be temporarily excluded from the school or> institution until the local health officer is satisfied that the> person is no longer at risk of developing the disease.> > All I need to do is give you a letter stating the immunization > is contrary to my beliefs. There is no requirement for this > particular form with the additional language. The form I already > signed is legally sufficient. There is nothing for anyone to > figure out here. > > I need to know now this week that my daughter will get her > schedule on time in August. I do not want to have to deal with > this at the last minute. My daughter is a very good student and > the beginning of her school year should go smoothly without > delay. I have been totally compliant with this new law and I > expect the school to accept this.> > Thanks for your attention to this matter.>