Guest guest Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 Its not rare that they use cell lines...its still in the vax! Its on the CDC website and in inserts.We've become immune to wild pox so now chicken pox is more deadly? It partially makes sense that due to vaxes there's mutations of the virus. More deadly? The MMRWR dosn't show a high rate of deaths. If there were it would be all over the news, not just passed down from doc to pt every so often.Its like the game of telephone.....the msg gets more convoluted as it gets passed from one person to another. Every doc or nurse has a story of some sort with different variations. I long stopped listening to any of itSent from my BlackBerry® smartphone, powered by Cricket.From: De Ley <leyd6@...>Sender: Vaccinations Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:38:09 -0700 (PDT)<Vaccinations >Reply Vaccinations Subject: Chicken Pox Deadly?!? Hi! I had a very strange conversation with my new neighbor. It had come up in conversation that I do not immunize my children (or my last two aren't). She is an unemployed Registered nurse and although she understood why I don't immunize she also told me that Chicken Pox have become deadly that we have become so immune to them that the virus has become much more deadly. Now, I was attached to the phone on the wall watching my dinner burn so I had to end the conversation quickly. But after I got off the phone I thought..."You mean to tell me you have seen someone die from Chicken Pox?" I was floored at the thought, because I bet a million bucks she has never seen it. Then it would help my argument that the medical field is trying to scare people intogetting immunized. She said that it was rare that they used aborted human cell line in the vaccines, it doesn't make sense to do that. She is a person that talks over you, so I let her do that, because she probably didn't want to hear my arguments. But I will let her know a thing or two about how I feel and what I think. There will be another opportunity to talk about this with her, I assure you of that! I just want any information that you may have on her two statements that would help me sound like I know what I am talking about. I am not trying to convince her, the only thing I have to worry about is myself and my family. I am tired of people questioning my choice! Anyway, any advice would be wonderful and grately appreciated. By the way, I love all the articles and questions being asked/answered. I am learning so much. I even felt really calm during my conversation with my neighbor because I feel that reading this vaccination thread has given me lots of good confidence to defend myself! Thanks again,Dede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 From: De Ley <leyd6@...> Sender: Vaccinations Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:38:09 -0700 (PDT) <Vaccinations > ReplyVaccinations Subject: Chicken Pox Deadly?!? Hi! I had a very strange conversation with my new neighbor. It had come up in conversation that I do not immunize my children (or my last two aren't). She is an unemployed Registered nurse and although she understood why I don't immunize she also told me that Chicken Pox have become deadly that we have become so immune to them that the virus has become much more deadly. That is ridiculous - it is the medical intervention/interference that has become more deadly and killing them (as well as over vaccinated kids, over antibiotic use and steroids and tylenol) Now, I was attached to the phone on the wall watching my dinner burn so I had to end the conversation quickly. But after I got off the phone I thought... " You mean to tell me you have seen someone die from Chicken Pox? " I was floored at the thought, because I bet a million bucks she has never seen it. Then it would help my argument that the medical field is trying to scare people into getting immunized. She said that it was rare that they used aborted human cell line in the vaccines, it doesn't make sense to do that. Obviously she doesn't have a clue http://www.wellwithin1.com/abortedtissue.htm can copy some things to give her She is a person that talks over you, so I let her do that, because she probably didn't want to hear my arguments. But I will let her know a thing or two about how I feel and what I think. There will be another opportunity to talk about this with her, I assure you of that! I just want any information that you may have on her two statements that would help me sound like I know what I am talking about. I am not trying to convince her, the only thing I have to worry about is myself and my family. I am tired of people questioning my choice! Anyway, any advice would be wonderful and grately appreciated. By the way, I love all the articles and questions being asked/answered. I am learning so much. I even felt really calm during my conversation with my neighbor because I feel that reading this vaccination thread has given me lots of good confidence to defend myself! GREAT - good work Sheri Thanks again, Dede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 Hi, I'm in the UK and no-one here vaccinates for chicken pox - it is a really common disease (just recently 7 children in my daughter's class had it) and no-one fears it all. In fact everyone wants their children to have it so they get it over with at a young age. From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On Behalf Of De LeySent: 02 April 2011 01:38Vaccinations Subject: Chicken Pox Deadly?!? Hi! I had a very strange conversation with my new neighbor. It had come up in conversation that I do not immunize my children (or my last two aren't). She is an unemployed Registered nurse and although she understood why I don't immunize she also told me that Chicken Pox have become deadly that we have become so immune to them that the virus has become much more deadly. Now, I was attached to the phone on the wall watching my dinner burn so I had to end the conversation quickly. But after I got off the phone I thought..."You mean to tell me you have seen someone die from Chicken Pox?" I was floored at the thought, because I bet a million bucks she has never seen it. Then it would help my argument that the medical field is trying to scare people into getting immunized. She said that it was rare that they used aborted human cell line in the vaccines, it doesn't make sense to do that. She is a person that talks over you, so I let her do that, because she probably didn't want to hear my arguments. But I will let her know a thing or two about how I feel and what I think. There will be another opportunity to talk about this with her, I assure you of that! I just want any information that you may have on her two statements that would help me sound like I know what I am talking about. I am not trying to convince her, the only thing I have to worry about is myself and my family. I am tired of people questioning my choice! Anyway, any advice would be wonderful and grately appreciated. By the way, I love all the articles and questions being asked/answered. I am learning so much. I even felt really calm during my conversation with my neighbor because I feel that reading this vaccination thread has given me lots of good confidence to defend myself! Thanks again, Dede __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6008 (20110401) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6008 (20110401) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6008 (20110401) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 I'm in the UK too - my little boy had chickenpox just before his 1st birthday and wasn't even really ill with it just spotty - his nappy area wasn't pleasant for a couple of weeks. It's really not considered a dangerous disease over here - although my s-in-law who's in Australia where they do vaccinate for chickenpox is of a different opinion, marketing maybe? Interestingly the JCVI (who advise gov on vaccination) actually stated that it wasn't cost effective to introduce the vaccine. We get all vaccinations free of charge over here so I'm guessing that what they're saying is that the potential cost of treating those with chickenpox would be less than the cost of the vaccine so i'm assuming that they wouldn't expect many cases of hospitalisation/complications with chickenpox. > > Hi, I'm in the UK and no-one here vaccinates for chicken pox - it is a > really common disease (just recently 7 children in my daughter's class had > it) and no-one fears it all. In fact everyone wants their children to have > it so they get it over with at a young age. > > > > _____ > > From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On > Behalf Of De Ley > Sent: 02 April 2011 01:38 > Vaccinations > Subject: Chicken Pox Deadly?!? > > > > > > Hi! I had a very strange conversation with my new neighbor. It had come up > in conversation that I do not immunize my children (or my last two aren't). > She is an unemployed Registered nurse and although she understood why I > don't immunize she also told me that Chicken Pox have become deadly that we > have become so immune to them that the virus has become much more deadly. > Now, I was attached to the phone on the wall watching my dinner burn so I > had to end the conversation quickly. But after I got off the phone I > thought... " You mean to tell me you have seen someone die from Chicken Pox? " > I was floored at the thought, because I bet a million bucks she has never > seen it. Then it would help my argument that the medical field is trying to > scare people into getting immunized. She said that it was rare that they > used aborted human cell line in the vaccines, it doesn't make sense to do > that. She is a person that talks over you, so I let her do that, because she > probably didn't want to hear my arguments. But I will let her know a thing > or two about how I feel and what I think. There will be another opportunity > to talk about this with her, I assure you of that! > > > I just want any information that you may have on her two statements that > would help me sound like I know what I am talking about. I am not trying to > convince her, the only thing I have to worry about is myself and my family. > I am tired of people questioning my choice! Anyway, any advice would be > wonderful and grately appreciated. > > By the way, I love all the articles and questions being asked/answered. I am > learning so much. I even felt really calm during my conversation with my > neighbor because I feel that reading this vaccination thread has given me > lots of good confidence to defend myself! > > Thanks again, > Dede > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6008 (20110401) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6008 (20110401) __________ > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > http://www.eset.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 Oh, this is the kind of thing that would irk me for years to come, getting blindsided with ignorance and no proper response prepared. Of course, she's wrong. However, knowing that these kind of people won't listen to reason (or facts!), maybe having a pat answer ready to cover all bases would work. Instead of trying to provide them with proof they'll reject without reading, ask them to provide it. Ask shocked and say "Really? Chicken pox? Are you kidding me? Where did you hear that? Can you find me documentation on that because that is outrageous that someone would consider CP a killer disease when we all know better." Be ready next time and ask just what you said: have they seen [whatever they claim] with their own eyes, and what were the circumstances? Just possibly the person would do some research and learn a thing or two, but at least they'd be forced for a second to defend their nonsense. I have a policy not to do legwork for people who obviously don't care, and just want to make me jump. Tell them if they're really interested, google it. The idea to look at the rates on the MMWR is a good one, and also the package inserts: (http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm) As for CP, I remember getting the vaccine lecture on that one around 1996 from an old ped who told me 100 people a year died from it. Having just researched it, I knew the numbers were about 50 kids, and ones who were either immunocompromised or hospitalized and given who knows what kind of treatment. I told him this and asked if he truly thought this justified vaccinating every child in the country no matter what their state of health. Shoulder shrug from the ped. Anyway, those were the figures back before people became terrified of the killer CP and when the vaccine first came out (1995). Winnie Chicken Pox Deadly?!?Vaccinations > Hi! I had a very strange conversation with my new neighbor. It > had come up in > conversation that I do not immunize my children (or my last two > aren't). She is > an unemployed Registered nurse and although she understood why I > don't immunize > she also told me that Chicken Pox have become deadly that we > have become > so immune to them that the virus has become much more deadly. > Now, I was > attached to the phone on the wall watching my dinner burn so I > had to end the > conversation quickly. But after I got off the phone I > thought..."You mean to > tell me you have seen someone die from Chicken Pox?" I was > floored at the > thought, because I bet a million bucks she has never seen it. > Then it would help > my argument that the medical field is trying to scare people > into getting > immunized. She said that it was rare that they used aborted > human cell line in > the vaccines, it doesn't make sense to do that. She is a person > that talks over > you, so I let her do that, because she probably didn't want to > hear my > arguments. But I will let her know a thing or two about how I > feel and what I > think. There will be another opportunity to talk about this with > her, I assure > you of that! > > > > I just want any information that you may have on her two > statements that would > help me sound like I know what I am talking about. I am not > trying to convince > her, the only thing I have to worry about is myself and my > family. I am tired of > people questioning my choice! Anyway, any advice would be > wonderful and grately > appreciated. > > > By the way, I love all the articles and questions being > asked/answered. I am > learning so much. I even felt really calm during my conversation > with my > neighbor because I feel that reading this vaccination thread has > given me lots > of good confidence to defend myself!> > Thanks again,> Dede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 Thank you ALL very much! I love asking the question of "Where did you get that info. and can you get me that info?" They never do, so thanks. I have calmed down about it a lot. It has made me reflect on why I get so defensive...It's because the world is against this opinion and it's hard to fight the world. It's so great to have a husband, friends, and now a vaccine list for support. Iam expecting #7 in July and my midwife and pediatrician are good about no vac, but I still have anxiety over it. There always seems to be an unexpected person hiding, waiting somewhere to give me hard time about it. Thanks again ladies for the great advice, Dede Sent from on Android From: wharrison@... <wharrison@...>; To: <Vaccinations >; Subject: Re: Chicken Pox Deadly?!? Sent: Sat, Apr 2, 2011 11:16:20 AM Oh, this is the kind of thing that would irk me for years to come, getting blindsided with ignorance and no proper response prepared. Of course, she's wrong. However, knowing that these kind of people won't listen to reason (or facts!), maybe having a pat answer ready to cover all bases would work. Instead of trying to provide them with proof they'll reject without reading, ask them to provide it. Ask shocked and say " Really? Chicken pox? Are you kidding me? Where did you hear that? Can you find me documentation on that because that is outrageous that someone would consider CP a killer disease when we all know better. " Be ready next time and ask just what you said: have they seen [whatever they claim] with their own eyes, and what were the circumstances? Just possibly the person would do some research and learn a thing or two, but at least they'd be forced for a second to defend their nonsense. I have a policy not to do legwork for people who obviously don't care, and just want to make me jump. Tell them if they're really interested, google it. The idea to look at the rates on the MMWR is a good one, and also the package inserts: (http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm) As for CP, I remember getting the vaccine lecture on that one around 1996 from an old ped who told me 100 people a year died from it. Having just researched it, I knew the numbers were about 50 kids, and ones who were either immunocompromised or hospitalized and given who knows what kind of treatment. I told him this and asked if he truly thought this justified vaccinating every child in the country no matter what their state of health. Shoulder shrug from the ped. Anyway, those were the figures back before people became terrified of the killer CP and when the vaccine first came out (1995). Winnie Chicken Pox Deadly?!?Vaccinations > Hi! I had a very strange conversation with my new neighbor. It > had come up in > conversation that I do not immunize my children (or my last two > aren't). She is > an unemployed Registered nurse and although she understood why I > don't immunize > she also told me that Chicken Pox have become deadly that we > have become > so immune to them that the virus has become much more deadly. > Now, I was > attached to the phone on the wall watching my dinner burn so I > had to end the > conversation quickly. But after I got off the phone I > thought... " You mean to > tell me you have seen someone die from Chicken Pox? " I was > floored at the > thought, because I bet a million bucks she has never seen it. > Then it would help > my argument that the medical field is trying to scare people > into getting > immunized. She said that it was rare that they used aborted > human cell line in > the vaccines, it doesn't make sense to do that. She is a person > that talks over > you, so I let her do that, because she probably didn't want to > hear my > arguments. But I will let her know a thing or two about how I > feel and what I > think. There will be another opportunity to talk about this with > her, I assure > you of that! > > > > I just want any information that you may have on her two > statements that would > help me sound like I know what I am talking about. I am not > trying to convince > her, the only thing I have to worry about is myself and my > family. I am tired of > people questioning my choice! Anyway, any advice would be > wonderful and grately > appreciated. > > > By the way, I love all the articles and questions being > asked/answered. I am > learning so much. I even felt really calm during my conversation > with my > neighbor because I feel that reading this vaccination thread has > given me lots > of good confidence to defend myself!> > Thanks again,> Dede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Chickenpox-Is-It-Really-A-Killer-Disease- There was some total BS in the papers in the UK about how chickenpox kills 50 children a year so I decided to research it and find out where the paper got that figure from. Turns out they were making it up because the official documents said between 4 and 9 children per year in the UK die of chickenpox and they are mostly immuno compromised. Links in the article. I know it very rarely happens. There was a story I read in another paper that said a 6 year old girl had a stroke due to chickenpox and she died, but it's incredibly rare. I mean, lets face it, some kids die from a cold. Joanna. From: De Ley <leyd6@...>Subject: Chicken Pox Deadly?!?Vaccinations Date: Saturday, 2 April, 2011, 0:38 Hi! I had a very strange conversation with my new neighbor. It had come up in conversation that I do not immunize my children (or my last two aren't). She is an unemployed Registered nurse and although she understood why I don't immunize she also told me that Chicken Pox have become deadly that we have become so immune to them that the virus has become much more deadly. Now, I was attached to the phone on the wall watching my dinner burn so I had to end the conversation quickly. But after I got off the phone I thought..."You mean to tell me you have seen someone die from Chicken Pox?" I was floored at the thought, because I bet a million bucks she has never seen it. Then it would help my argument that the medical field is trying to scare people into getting immunized. She said that it was rare that they used aborted human cell line in the vaccines, it doesn't make sense to do that. She is a person that talks over you, so I let her do that, because she probably didn't want to hear my arguments. But I will let her know a thing or two about how I feel and what I think. There will be another opportunity to talk about this with her, I assure you of that! I just want any information that you may have on her two statements that would help me sound like I know what I am talking about. I am not trying to convince her, the only thing I have to worry about is myself and my family. I am tired of people questioning my choice! Anyway, any advice would be wonderful and grately appreciated. By the way, I love all the articles and questions being asked/answered. I am learning so much. I even felt really calm during my conversation with my neighbor because I feel that reading this vaccination thread has given me lots of good confidence to defend myself! Thanks again, Dede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 Ah, they stole our rates from here in the U.S. So, not totally making it up--just getting their countries confused! I wonder what else they got wrong... Winnie Chicken Pox Deadly?!?> Vaccinations > Date: Saturday, 2 April, 2011, 0:38> > > > > > > > > Hi! I had a very strange conversation with my new neighbor. It > had come up in conversation that I do not immunize my children > (or my last two aren't). She is an unemployed Registered nurse > and although she understood why I don't immunize she also told > me that Chicken Pox have become deadly that we have become > so immune to them that the virus has become much more deadly. > Now, I was attached to the phone on the wall watching my dinner > burn so I had to end the conversation quickly. But after I got > off the phone I thought..."You mean to tell me you have seen > someone die from Chicken Pox?" I was floored at the thought, > because I bet a million bucks she has never seen it. Then it > would help my argument that the medical field is trying to scare > people into getting immunized. She said that it was rare that > they used aborted human cell line in the vaccines, it doesn't > make sense to do that. She is a person that talks over you, so I > let her do that, because she> probably didn't want to hear my arguments. But I will let her > know a thing or two about how I feel and what I think. There > will be another opportunity to talk about this with her, I > assure you of that! > > > I just want any information that you may have on her two > statements that would help me sound like I know what I am > talking about. I am not trying to convince her, the only thing I > have to worry about is myself and my family. I am tired of > people questioning my choice! Anyway, any advice would be > wonderful and grately appreciated. > > By the way, I love all the articles and questions being > asked/answered. I am learning so much. I even felt really calm > during my conversation with my neighbor because I feel that > reading this vaccination thread has given me lots of good > confidence to defend myself!> > Thanks again,> Dede> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 Funny, in the U.S. the reasoning for the CP vaccine was so parents wouldn't lose time off of work. That reasoning isn't used for any of the other diseases, just CP, I suppose because no one would have fallen for CP being dangerous. So, appealing to parents' inconvenience was their Plan B. It really does come down to the money every time, doesn't it? Winnie Chicken Pox Deadly?!?> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi! I had a very strange conversation with my new neighbor. It > had come up> > in conversation that I do not immunize my children (or my last > two aren't).> > She is an unemployed Registered nurse and although she > understood why I> > don't immunize she also told me that Chicken Pox have become > deadly that we> > have become so immune to them that the virus has become much > more deadly.> > Now, I was attached to the phone on the wall watching my > dinner burn so I> > had to end the conversation quickly. But after I got off the > phone I> > thought..."You mean to tell me you have seen someone die from > Chicken Pox?"> > I was floored at the thought, because I bet a million bucks > she has never> > seen it. Then it would help my argument that the medical field > is trying to> > scare people into getting immunized. She said that it was rare > that they> > used aborted human cell line in the vaccines, it doesn't make > sense to do> > that. She is a person that talks over you, so I let her do > that, because she> > probably didn't want to hear my arguments. But I will let her > know a thing> > or two about how I feel and what I think. There will be > another opportunity> > to talk about this with her, I assure you of that! > > > > > > I just want any information that you may have on her two > statements that> > would help me sound like I know what I am talking about. I am > not trying to> > convince her, the only thing I have to worry about is myself > and my family.> > I am tired of people questioning my choice! Anyway, any advice > would be> > wonderful and grately appreciated. > > > > By the way, I love all the articles and questions being > asked/answered. I am> > learning so much. I even felt really calm during my > conversation with my> > neighbor because I feel that reading this vaccination thread > has given me> > lots of good confidence to defend myself!> > > > Thanks again,> > Dede> > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of > virus signature> > database 6008 (20110401) __________> > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.> > > > http://www.eset.com> > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of > virus signature> > database 6008 (20110401) __________> > > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.> > > > > > http://www.eset.com> >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 Oh they fall for it now....thanks to indoctrination b y the allopaths. I still hear parents say "I had no idea CP could be so dangerous!" Oy veyLoriSent from my BlackBerry® smartphone, powered by Cricket.From: wharrison@...Sender: Vaccinations Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 23:53:10 +0000 (GMT)<Vaccinations >Reply Vaccinations Subject: Re: Re: Chicken Pox Deadly?!? Funny, in the U.S. the reasoning for the CP vaccine was so parents wouldn't lose time off of work. That reasoning isn't used for any of the other diseases, just CP, I suppose because no one would have fallen for CP being dangerous. So, appealing to parents' inconvenience was their Plan B. It really does come down to the money every time, doesn't it? Winnie Chicken Pox Deadly?!?> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi! I had a very strange conversation with my new neighbor. It > had come up> > in conversation that I do not immunize my children (or my last > two aren't).> > She is an unemployed Registered nurse and although she > understood why I> > don't immunize she also told me that Chicken Pox have become > deadly that we> > have become so immune to them that the virus has become much > more deadly.> > Now, I was attached to the phone on the wall watching my > dinner burn so I> > had to end the conversation quickly. But after I got off the > phone I> > thought..."You mean to tell me you have seen someone die from > Chicken Pox?"> > I was floored at the thought, because I bet a million bucks > she has never> > seen it. Then it would help my argument that the medical field > is trying to> > scare people into getting immunized. She said that it was rare > that they> > used aborted human cell line in the vaccines, it doesn't make > sense to do> > that. She is a person that talks over you, so I let her do > that, because she> > probably didn't want to hear my arguments. But I will let her > know a thing> > or two about how I feel and what I think. There will be > another opportunity> > to talk about this with her, I assure you of that! > > > > > > I just want any information that you may have on her two > statements that> > would help me sound like I know what I am talking about. I am > not trying to> > convince her, the only thing I have to worry about is myself > and my family.> > I am tired of people questioning my choice! Anyway, any advice > would be> > wonderful and grately appreciated. > > > > By the way, I love all the articles and questions being > asked/answered. I am> > learning so much. I even felt really calm during my > conversation with my> > neighbor because I feel that reading this vaccination thread > has given me> > lots of good confidence to defend myself!> > > > Thanks again,> > Dede> > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of > virus signature> > database 6008 (20110401) __________> > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.> > > > http://www.eset.com> > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of > virus signature> > database 6008 (20110401) __________> > > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.> > > > > > http://www.eset.com> >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 I guess we will have to bring out kids to the UK to attend a "real" chicken pox party. Only half kidding!CameronFrom: Lara <lala1066@...>Vaccinations Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 5:43:40 AMSubject: Re: Chicken Pox Deadly?!? I'm in the UK too - my little boy had chickenpox just before his 1st birthday and wasn't even really ill with it just spotty - his nappy area wasn't pleasant for a couple of weeks. It's really not considered a dangerous disease over here - although my s-in-law who's in Australia where they do vaccinate for chickenpox is of a different opinion, marketing maybe? Interestingly the JCVI (who advise gov on vaccination) actually stated that it wasn't cost effective to introduce the vaccine. We get all vaccinations free of charge over here so I'm guessing that what they're saying is that the potential cost of treating those with chickenpox would be less than the cost of the vaccine so i'm assuming that they wouldn't expect many cases of hospitalisation/complications with chickenpox. > > Hi, I'm in the UK and no-one here vaccinates for chicken pox - it is a > really common disease (just recently 7 children in my daughter's class had > it) and no-one fears it all. In fact everyone wants their children to have > it so they get it over with at a young age. > > > > _____ > > From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On > Behalf Of De Ley > Sent: 02 April 2011 01:38 > Vaccinations > Subject: Chicken Pox Deadly?!? > > > > > > Hi! I had a very strange conversation with my new neighbor. It had come up > in conversation that I do not immunize my children (or my last two aren't). > She is an unemployed Registered nurse and although she understood why I > don't immunize she also told me that Chicken Pox have become deadly that we > have become so immune to them that the virus has become much more deadly. > Now, I was attached to the phone on the wall watching my dinner burn so I > had to end the conversation quickly. But after I got off the phone I > thought..."You mean to tell me you have seen someone die from Chicken Pox?" > I was floored at the thought, because I bet a million bucks she has never > seen it. Then it would help my argument that the medical field is trying to > scare people into getting immunized. She said that it was rare that they > used aborted human cell line in the vaccines, it doesn't make sense to do > that. She is a person that talks over you, so I let her do that, because she > probably didn't want to hear my arguments. But I will let her know a thing > or two about how I feel and what I think. There will be another opportunity > to talk about this with her, I assure you of that! > > > I just want any information that you may have on her two statements that > would help me sound like I know what I am talking about. I am not trying to > convince her, the only thing I have to worry about is myself and my family. > I am tired of people questioning my choice! Anyway, any advice would be > wonderful and grately appreciated. > > By the way, I love all the articles and questions being asked/answered. I am > learning so much. I even felt really calm during my conversation with my > neighbor because I feel that reading this vaccination thread has given me > lots of good confidence to defend myself! > > Thanks again, > Dede > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6008 (20110401) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6008 (20110401) __________ > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > http://www.eset.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 They should have stated in the US, then, because your country has a bigger population. Omitting that little detail is misleading and fraud because it makes it seem more serious than it is! I hate the lying, drug sponsored media sometimes. Does anyone in journalism have any integrity anymore? Joanna.> > > From: De Ley > Subject: Chicken Pox Deadly?!?> Vaccinations > Date: Saturday, 2 April, 2011, 0:38> > > > > > > > > Hi! I had a very strange conversation with my new neighbor. It > had come up in conversation that I do not immunize my children > (or my last two aren't). She is an unemployed Registered nurse > and although she understood why I don't immunize she also told > me that Chicken Pox have become deadly that we have become > so immune to them that the virus has become much more deadly. > Now, I was attached to the phone on the wall watching my dinner > burn so I had to end the conversation quickly. But after I got > off the phone I thought..."You mean to tell me you have seen > someone die from Chicken Pox?" I was floored at the thought, > because I bet a million bucks she has never seen it. Then it > would help my argument that the medical field is trying to scare > people into getting immunized. She said that it was rare that > they used aborted human cell line in the vaccines, it doesn't > make sense to do that. She is a person that talks over you, so I > let her do that, because she> probably didn't want to hear my arguments. But I will let her > know a thing or two about how I feel and what I think. There > will be another opportunity to talk about this with her, I > assure you of that! > > > I just want any information that you may have on her two > statements that would help me sound like I know what I am > talking about. I am not trying to convince her, the only thing I > have to worry about is myself and my family. I am tired of > people questioning my choice! Anyway, any advice would be > wonderful and grately appreciated. > > By the way, I love all the articles and questions being > asked/answered. I am learning so much. I even felt really calm > during my conversation with my neighbor because I feel that > reading this vaccination thread has given me lots of good > confidence to defend myself!> > Thanks again,> Dede> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 They should have stated that, but then again, the US figures are probably concocted anyway. Winnie Chicken Pox Deadly?!?> > Vaccinations > > Date: Saturday, 2 April, 2011, 0:38> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi! I had a very strange conversation with my new neighbor. It > > had come up in conversation that I do not immunize my children > > (or my last two aren't). She is an unemployed Registered nurse > > and although she understood why I don't immunize she also told > > me that Chicken Pox have become deadly that we have become > > so immune to them that the virus has become much more deadly. > > Now, I was attached to the phone on the wall watching my > dinner > > burn so I had to end the conversation quickly. But after I got > > off the phone I thought..."You mean to tell me you have seen > > someone die from Chicken Pox?" I was floored at the thought, > > because I bet a million bucks she has never seen it. Then it > > would help my argument that the medical field is trying to > scare > > people into getting immunized. She said that it was rare that > > they used aborted human cell line in the vaccines, it doesn't > > make sense to do that. She is a person that talks over you, so > I > > let her do that, because she> > probably didn't want to hear my arguments. But I will let her > > know a thing or two about how I feel and what I think. There > > will be another opportunity to talk about this with her, I > > assure you of that! > > > > > > I just want any information that you may have on her two > > statements that would help me sound like I know what I am > > talking about. I am not trying to convince her, the only thing > I > > have to worry about is myself and my family. I am tired of > > people questioning my choice! Anyway, any advice would be > > wonderful and grately appreciated. > > > > By the way, I love all the articles and questions being > > asked/answered. I am learning so much. I even felt really calm > > during my conversation with my neighbor because I feel that > > reading this vaccination thread has given me lots of good > > confidence to defend myself!> > > > Thanks again,> > Dede> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 A little late to this thread, but when my son was an infant (he's 6 now), I had a talk with his ped about why I had stopped vaccinating after his 4mo shots. His ped said to me, " now, I really want to encourage you to consider the chicken pox vaccine, because 1 in 2 children have serious complications from it and are hospitalized or die. " I laughed at him and said, " really? Then how is it that growing up pretty much everyone I knew had CP and not a single person had to go to the hospital or worse? " His response was, " CP is serious and people die from it. " We no longer see that ped. Our local news did do a story a while back about a teenage girl who caught CP and died. THey made it into this whole " investigative report " type thing where they had her whole family crying and talking about how deadly CP is and some nurse talking about how great the vaccine is, blah blah blah. Then at the end, they said something like, " 4 people died in MN last year from it. " Really? 4 whole people? How many people died in car accidents? (I'm not sure on what the number was, but it seemed pretty small to be doing such a huge news story on it.) I am getting sick of all the scare-mongering. I do agree with the others who've given advice. When people try to discuss vaccinations with me, I usually tell them that I've been doing my research for about 6 years now, and am confident in my decision not to vax, and change the subject. Anyone who wishes to discuss further (this has only happened twice), I ask them to tell me about the disease they're so concerned about. How is it spread? How many people die from it? What can you do to treat it? I usually hammer them with a flurry of questions until they stop and admit they haven't a clue, and the subject doesn't usually come up again. It doesn't hurt that I used to interrogate people for work, lol > > Hi! I had a very strange conversation with my new neighbor. It had come up in > conversation that I do not immunize my children (or my last two aren't). She is > an unemployed Registered nurse and although she understood why I don't immunize > she also told me that Chicken Pox have become deadly that we have become > so immune to them that the virus has become much more deadly. Now, I was > attached to the phone on the wall watching my dinner burn so I had to end the > conversation quickly. But after I got off the phone I thought... " You mean to > tell me you have seen someone die from Chicken Pox? " I was floored at the > thought, because I bet a million bucks she has never seen it. Then it would help > my argument that the medical field is trying to scare people into getting > immunized. She said that it was rare that they used aborted human cell line in > the vaccines, it doesn't make sense to do that. She is a person that talks over > you, so I let her do that, because she probably didn't want to hear my > arguments. But I will let her know a thing or two about how I feel and what I > think. There will be another opportunity to talk about this with her, I assure > you of that! > > > > I just want any information that you may have on her two statements that would > help me sound like I know what I am talking about. I am not trying to convince > her, the only thing I have to worry about is myself and my family. I am tired of > people questioning my choice! Anyway, any advice would be wonderful and grately > appreciated. > > > By the way, I love all the articles and questions being asked/answered. I am > learning so much. I even felt really calm during my conversation with my > neighbor because I feel that reading this vaccination thread has given me lots > of good confidence to defend myself! > > Thanks again, > Dede > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 Our peds. Doctor (old one) also in MN scared me and said 100 child die from CP. She didnt tell me it's world wide(this was 13yrs ago). So my oldest got the vax. Both my oldest and 2nd oldest still goT a light case of cp. That's along with my concern of how docs didnt seem to care about giving them shots while they were sick and a few other reasons started me on the path to questioning shots. Carlena in central MN Re: Chicken Pox Deadly?!? A little late to this thread, but when my son was an infant (he's 6 now), I had a talk with his ped about why I had stopped vaccinating after his 4mo shots. His ped said to me, " now, I really want to encourage you to consider the chicken pox vaccine, because 1 in 2 children have serious complications from it and are hospitalized or die. " I laughed at him and said, " really? Then how is it that growing up pretty much everyone I knew had CP and not a single person had to go to the hospital or worse? " His response was, " CP is serious and people die from it. " We no longer see that ped. Our local news did do a story a while back about a teenage girl who caught CP and died. THey made it into this whole " investigative report " type thing where they had her whole family crying and talking about how deadly CP is and some nurse talking about how great the vaccine is, blah blah blah. Then at the end, they said something like, " 4 people died in MN last year from it. " Really? 4 whole people? How many people died in car accidents? (I'm not sure on what the number was, but it seemed pretty small to be doing such a huge news story on it.) I am getting sick of all the scare-mongering. I do agree with the others who've given advice. When people try to discuss vaccinations with me, I usually tell them that I've been doing my research for about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 I had a doctor tell me the chicken pox vaccine was so necessary because "if one of the sores became infected with MRSA, then it would all be over"...I was thinking, well any sore on ANY body COULD potentially become infected with ANYTHING....they all try their own way of trying to scare the hell out of us to get us to vaccinate.... a Kunselman From: "dknees_dm@..." <dknees_dm@...>Vaccinations Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 2:06:40 PMSubject: Re: Chicken Pox Deadly?!? A little late to this thread, but when my son was an infant (he's 6 now), I had a talk with his ped about why I had stopped vaccinating after his 4mo shots. His ped said to me, "now, I really want to encourage you to consider the chicken pox vaccine, because 1 in 2 children have serious complications from it and are hospitalized or die." I laughed at him and said, "really? Then how is it that growing up pretty much everyone I knew had CP and not a single person had to go to the hospital or worse?" His response was, "CP is serious and people die from it." We no longer see that ped.Our local news did do a story a while back about a teenage girl who caught CP and died. THey made it into this whole "investigative report" type thing where they had her whole family crying and talking about how deadly CP is and some nurse talking about how great the vaccine is, blah blah blah. Then at the end, they said something like, "4 people died in MN last year from it." Really? 4 whole people? How many people died in car accidents? (I'm not sure on what the number was, but it seemed pretty small to be doing such a huge news story on it.) I am getting sick of all the scare-mongering.I do agree with the others who've given advice. When people try to discuss vaccinations with me, I usually tell them that I've been doing my research for about 6 years now, and am confident in my decision not to vax, and change the subject. Anyone who wishes to discuss further (this has only happened twice), I ask them to tell me about the disease they're so concerned about. How is it spread? How many people die from it? What can you do to treat it? I usually hammer them with a flurry of questions until they stop and admit they haven't a clue, and the subject doesn't usually come up again. It doesn't hurt that I used to interrogate people for work, lol >> Hi! I had a very strange conversation with my new neighbor. It had come up in > conversation that I do not immunize my children (or my last two aren't). She is > an unemployed Registered nurse and although she understood why I don't immunize > she also told me that Chicken Pox have become deadly that we have become > so immune to them that the virus has become much more deadly. Now, I was > attached to the phone on the wall watching my dinner burn so I had to end the > conversation quickly. But after I got off the phone I thought..."You mean to > tell me you have seen someone die from Chicken Pox?" I was floored at the > thought, because I bet a million bucks she has never seen it. Then it would help > my argument that the medical field is trying to scare people into getting > immunized. She said that it was rare that they used aborted human cell line in > the vaccines, it doesn't make sense to do that. She is a person that talks over > you, so I let her do that, because she probably didn't want to hear my > arguments. But I will let her know a thing or two about how I feel and what I > think. There will be another opportunity to talk about this with her, I assure > you of that! > > > > I just want any information that you may have on her two statements that would > help me sound like I know what I am talking about. I am not trying to convince > her, the only thing I have to worry about is myself and my family. I am tired of > people questioning my choice! Anyway, any advice would be wonderful and grately > appreciated. > > > By the way, I love all the articles and questions being asked/answered. I am > learning so much. I even felt really calm during my conversation with my > neighbor because I feel that reading this vaccination thread has given me lots > of good confidence to defend myself!> > Thanks again,> Dede> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Another doctor pretending that the vaccine works, and works forever. And you're right--why is CP the only sore to be worried about when people gets cuts and scrapes all the time? Winnie Re: Chicken Pox Deadly?!?> > > A little late to this thread, but when my son was an infant > (he's 6 now), I had > a talk with his ped about why I had stopped vaccinating after > his 4mo shots. His > ped said to me, "now, I really want to encourage you to consider > the chicken pox > vaccine, because 1 in 2 children have serious complications from > it and are > hospitalized or die." I laughed at him and said, "really? Then > how is it that > growing up pretty much everyone I knew had CP and not a single > person had to go > to the hospital or worse?" His response was, "CP is serious and > people die from > it." We no longer see that ped.> > Our local news did do a story a while back about a teenage girl > who caught CP > and died. THey made it into this whole "investigative report" > type thing where > they had her whole family crying and talking about how deadly CP > is and some > nurse talking about how great the vaccine is, blah blah blah. > Then at the end, > they said something like, "4 people died in MN last year from > it." Really? 4 > whole people? How many people died in car accidents? (I'm not > sure on what the > number was, but it seemed pretty small to be doing such a huge > news story on > it.) I am getting sick of all the scare-mongering.> > I do agree with the others who've given advice. When people try > to discuss > vaccinations with me, I usually tell them that I've been doing > my research for > about 6 years now, and am confident in my decision not to vax, > and change the > subject. Anyone who wishes to discuss further (this has only > happened twice), I > ask them to tell me about the disease they're so concerned > about. How is it > spread? How many people die from it? What can you do to treat > it? I usually > hammer them with a flurry of questions until they stop and admit > they haven't a > clue, and the subject doesn't usually come up again. It doesn't > hurt that I used > to interrogate people for work, lol > > > >> > Hi! I had a very strange conversation with my new neighbor. It > had come up in > > conversation that I do not immunize my children (or my last > two aren't). She is > >> > an unemployed Registered nurse and although she understood why > I don't immunize > >> > she also told me that Chicken Pox have become deadly that we > have become > > so immune to them that the virus has become much more deadly. > Now, I was > > attached to the phone on the wall watching my dinner burn so I > had to end the > > conversation quickly. But after I got off the phone I > thought..."You mean to > > tell me you have seen someone die from Chicken Pox?" I was > floored at the > > thought, because I bet a million bucks she has never seen it. > Then it would > >help > >> > my argument that the medical field is trying to scare people > into getting > > immunized. She said that it was rare that they used aborted > human cell line in > > > the vaccines, it doesn't make sense to do that. She is a > person that talks over > >> > you, so I let her do that, because she probably didn't want to > hear my > > arguments. But I will let her know a thing or two about how I > feel and what I > > think. There will be another opportunity to talk about this > with her, I assure > > > you of that! > > > > > > > > I just want any information that you may have on her two > statements that would > > > help me sound like I know what I am talking about. I am not > trying to convince > > > her, the only thing I have to worry about is myself and my > family. I am tired > >of > >> > people questioning my choice! Anyway, any advice would be > wonderful and grately > >> > appreciated. > > > > > > By the way, I love all the articles and questions being > asked/answered. I am > > learning so much. I even felt really calm during my > conversation with my > > neighbor because I feel that reading this vaccination thread > has given me lots > > > of good confidence to defend myself!> > > > Thanks again,> > Dede> >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 No, I don't think it does imply that vaccines work, because to 'work' would mean that you are then immune to the disease forever, which no vaccine ever does. It either suppresses it till it comes out later which is dangerous, it gives you an asymptomatic version of the disease that you can still spread to others (I've read journal reports of that), it makes the disease go inward in the form of chronic disease and auto-immunity, it actually gives you the disease instead or it just downright fails to do anything and you get the illness anyway. The fact that they alter the expression of diseases does not mean that they 'work' or that I am implying they work.> > > From: dknees_dm@... > Subject: Re: Chicken Pox Deadly?!?> Vaccinations > Date: Sunday, 3 April, 2011, 19:06> > > > > > > A little late to this thread, but when my son was an infant > (he's 6 now), I had a talk with his ped about why I had stopped > vaccinating after his 4mo shots. His ped said to me, "now, I > really want to encourage you to consider the chicken pox > vaccine, because 1 in 2 children have serious complications from > it and are hospitalized or die." I laughed at him and said, > "really? Then how is it that growing up pretty much everyone I > knew had CP and not a single person had to go to the hospital or > worse?" His response was, "CP is serious and people die from > it." We no longer see that ped.> > Our local news did do a story a while back about a teenage girl > who caught CP and died. THey made it into this whole > "investigative report" type thing where they had her whole > family crying and talking about how deadly CP is and some nurse > talking about how great the vaccine is, blah blah blah. Then at > the end, they said something like, "4 people died in MN last > year from it." Really? 4 whole people? How many people died in > car accidents? (I'm not sure on what the number was, but it > seemed pretty small to be doing such a huge news story on it.) I > am getting sick of all the scare-mongering.> > I do agree with the others who've given advice. When people try > to discuss vaccinations with me, I usually tell them that I've > been doing my research for about 6 years now, and am confident > in my decision not to vax, and change the subject. Anyone who > wishes to discuss further (this has only happened twice), I ask > them to tell me about the disease they're so concerned about. > How is it spread? How many people die from it? What can you do > to treat it? I usually hammer them with a flurry of questions > until they stop and admit they haven't a clue, and the subject > doesn't usually come up again. It doesn't hurt that I used to > interrogate people for work, lol > > > >> > Hi! I had a very strange conversation with my new neighbor. It > had come up in > > conversation that I do not immunize my children (or my last > two aren't). She is > > an unemployed Registered nurse and although she understood why > I don't immunize > > she also told me that Chicken Pox have become deadly that we > have become > > so immune to them that the virus has become much more deadly. > Now, I was > > attached to the phone on the wall watching my dinner burn so I > had to end the > > conversation quickly. But after I got off the phone I > thought..."You mean to > > tell me you have seen someone die from Chicken Pox?" I was > floored at the > > thought, because I bet a million bucks she has never seen it. > Then it would help > > my argument that the medical field is trying to scare people > into getting > > immunized. She said that it was rare that they used aborted > human cell line in > > the vaccines, it doesn't make sense to do that. She is a > person that talks over > > you, so I let her do that, because she probably didn't want to > hear my > > arguments. But I will let her know a thing or two about how I > feel and what I > > think. There will be another opportunity to talk about this > with her, I assure > > you of that! > > > > > > > > I just want any information that you may have on her two > statements that would > > help me sound like I know what I am talking about. I am not > trying to convince > > her, the only thing I have to worry about is myself and my > family. I am tired of > > people questioning my choice! Anyway, any advice would be > wonderful and grately > > appreciated. > > > > > > By the way, I love all the articles and questions being > asked/answered. I am > > learning so much. I even felt really calm during my > conversation with my > > neighbor because I feel that reading this vaccination thread > has given me lots > > of good confidence to defend myself!> > > > Thanks again,> > Dede> >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Yes, the way you explained it here is exactly how I was seeing it, "putting off," as in suppressing. I was just addressing that "putting off" made it seems as if the vaccine could be working temporarily, and wanted to clarify that it doesn't. Thanks for confirming! Winnie Re: Chicken Pox Deadly?!?> > Vaccinations > > Date: Sunday, 3 April, 2011, 19:06> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A little late to this thread, but when my son was an infant > > (he's 6 now), I had a talk with his ped about why I had > stopped > > vaccinating after his 4mo shots. His ped said to me, "now, I > > really want to encourage you to consider the chicken pox > > vaccine, because 1 in 2 children have serious complications > from > > it and are hospitalized or die." I laughed at him and said, > > "really? Then how is it that growing up pretty much everyone I > > knew had CP and not a single person had to go to the hospital > or > > worse?" His response was, "CP is serious and people die from > > it." We no longer see that ped.> > > > Our local news did do a story a while back about a teenage > girl > > who caught CP and died. THey made it into this whole > > "investigative report" type thing where they had her whole > > family crying and talking about how deadly CP is and some > nurse > > talking about how great the vaccine is, blah blah blah. Then > at > > the end, they said something like, "4 people died in MN last > > year from it." Really? 4 whole people? How many people died in > > car accidents? (I'm not sure on what the number was, but it > > seemed pretty small to be doing such a huge news story on it.) > I > > am getting sick of all the scare-mongering.> > > > I do agree with the others who've given advice. When people > try > > to discuss vaccinations with me, I usually tell them that I've > > been doing my research for about 6 years now, and am confident > > in my decision not to vax, and change the subject. Anyone who > > wishes to discuss further (this has only happened twice), I > ask > > them to tell me about the disease they're so concerned about. > > How is it spread? How many people die from it? What can you do > > to treat it? I usually hammer them with a flurry of questions > > until they stop and admit they haven't a clue, and the subject > > doesn't usually come up again. It doesn't hurt that I used to > > interrogate people for work, lol > > > > > > >> > > Hi! I had a very strange conversation with my new neighbor. > It > > had come up in > > > conversation that I do not immunize my children (or my last > > two aren't). She is > > > an unemployed Registered nurse and although she understood > why > > I don't immunize > > > she also told me that Chicken Pox have become deadly that we > > have become > > > so immune to them that the virus has become much more > deadly. > > Now, I was > > > attached to the phone on the wall watching my dinner burn so > I > > had to end the > > > conversation quickly. But after I got off the phone I > > thought..."You mean to > > > tell me you have seen someone die from Chicken Pox?" I was > > floored at the > > > thought, because I bet a million bucks she has never seen > it. > > Then it would help > > > my argument that the medical field is trying to scare people > > into getting > > > immunized. She said that it was rare that they used aborted > > human cell line in > > > the vaccines, it doesn't make sense to do that. She is a > > person that talks over > > > you, so I let her do that, because she probably didn't want > to > > hear my > > > arguments. But I will let her know a thing or two about how > I > > feel and what I > > > think. There will be another opportunity to talk about this > > with her, I assure > > > you of that! > > > > > > > > > > > > I just want any information that you may have on her two > > statements that would > > > help me sound like I know what I am talking about. I am not > > trying to convince > > > her, the only thing I have to worry about is myself and my > > family. I am tired of > > > people questioning my choice! Anyway, any advice would be > > wonderful and grately > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > By the way, I love all the articles and questions being > > asked/answered. I am > > > learning so much. I even felt really calm during my > > conversation with my > > > neighbor because I feel that reading this vaccination thread > > has given me lots > > > of good confidence to defend myself!> > > > > > Thanks again,> > > Dede> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 All over??? Seriously! Maybe in his world it would be but in our world we have dealt with both just fine. Antibiotics won't do the trick but natural remedies and colloidal silver will. All that "MD Drama" gets really tiring! From: a Kunselman <shawna_kunselman@...>Vaccinations Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 11:14:02 PMSubject: Re: Re: Chicken Pox Deadly?!? I had a doctor tell me the chicken pox vaccine was so necessary because "if one of the sores became infected with MRSA, then it would all be over"...I was thinking, well any sore on ANY body COULD potentially become infected with ANYTHING....they all try their own way of trying to scare the hell out of us to get us to vaccinate.... a Kunselman From: "dknees_dm@..." <dknees_dm@...>Vaccinations Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 2:06:40 PMSubject: Re: Chicken Pox Deadly?!? A little late to this thread, but when my son was an infant (he's 6 now), I had a talk with his ped about why I had stopped vaccinating after his 4mo shots. His ped said to me, "now, I really want to encourage you to consider the chicken pox vaccine, because 1 in 2 children have serious complications from it and are hospitalized or die." I laughed at him and said, "really? Then how is it that growing up pretty much everyone I knew had CP and not a single person had to go to the hospital or worse?" His response was, "CP is serious and people die from it." We no longer see that ped.Our local news did do a story a while back about a teenage girl who caught CP and died. THey made it into this whole "investigative report" type thing where they had her whole family crying and talking about how deadly CP is and some nurse talking about how great the vaccine is, blah blah blah. Then at the end, they said something like, "4 people died in MN last year from it." Really? 4 whole people? How many people died in car accidents? (I'm not sure on what the number was, but it seemed pretty small to be doing such a huge news story on it.) I am getting sick of all the scare-mongering.I do agree with the others who've given advice. When people try to discuss vaccinations with me, I usually tell them that I've been doing my research for about 6 years now, and am confident in my decision not to vax, and change the subject. Anyone who wishes to discuss further (this has only happened twice), I ask them to tell me about the disease they're so concerned about. How is it spread? How many people die from it? What can you do to treat it? I usually hammer them with a flurry of questions until they stop and admit they haven't a clue, and the subject doesn't usually come up again. It doesn't hurt that I used to interrogate people for work, lol >> Hi! I had a very strange conversation with my new neighbor. It had come up in > conversation that I do not immunize my children (or my last two aren't). She is > an unemployed Registered nurse and although she understood why I don't immunize > she also told me that Chicken Pox have become deadly that we have become > so immune to them that the virus has become much more deadly. Now, I was > attached to the phone on the wall watching my dinner burn so I had to end the > conversation quickly. But after I got off the phone I thought..."You mean to > tell me you have seen someone die from Chicken Pox?" I was floored at the > thought, because I bet a million bucks she has never seen it. Then it would help > my argument that the medical field is trying to scare people into getting > immunized. She said that it was rare that they used aborted human cell line in > the vaccines, it doesn't make sense to do that. She is a person that talks over > you, so I let her do that, because she probably didn't want to hear my > arguments. But I will let her know a thing or two about how I feel and what I > think. There will be another opportunity to talk about this with her, I assure > you of that! > > > > I just want any information that you may have on her two statements that would > help me sound like I know what I am talking about. I am not trying to convince > her, the only thing I have to worry about is myself and my family. I am tired of > people questioning my choice! Anyway, any advice would be wonderful and grately > appreciated. > > > By the way, I love all the articles and questions being asked/answered. I am > learning so much. I even felt really calm during my conversation with my > neighbor because I feel that reading this vaccination thread has given me lots > of good confidence to defend myself!> > Thanks again,> Dede> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Well, let's just pretend he's right, that's all the more reason not to take a kid with CP to hospital, since that is where most MRSA is. I've had chickenpox, all four of my daughter's had chickenpox, my brother had it, my sister, all my friend's kids. Even among parents who vaccinate, no one thinks chickenpox is a big deal. I think the MD needs help for mental health problems. From: Needles <allison_needles@...>Subject: Re: Re: Chicken Pox Deadly?!?Vaccinations Date: Monday, 4 April, 2011, 16:41 All over??? Seriously! Maybe in his world it would be but in our world we have dealt with both just fine. Antibiotics won't do the trick but natural remedies and colloidal silver will. All that "MD Drama" gets really tiring! From: a Kunselman <shawna_kunselman@...>Vaccinations Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 11:14:02 PMSubject: Re: Re: Chicken Pox Deadly?!? I had a doctor tell me the chicken pox vaccine was so necessary because "if one of the sores became infected with MRSA, then it would all be over"...I was thinking, well any sore on ANY body COULD potentially become infected with ANYTHING....they all try their own way of trying to scare the hell out of us to get us to vaccinate.... a Kunselman From: "dknees_dm@..." <dknees_dm@...>Vaccinations Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 2:06:40 PMSubject: Re: Chicken Pox Deadly?!? A little late to this thread, but when my son was an infant (he's 6 now), I had a talk with his ped about why I had stopped vaccinating after his 4mo shots. His ped said to me, "now, I really want to encourage you to consider the chicken pox vaccine, because 1 in 2 children have serious complications from it and are hospitalized or die." I laughed at him and said, "really? Then how is it that growing up pretty much everyone I knew had CP and not a single person had to go to the hospital or worse?" His response was, "CP is serious and people die from it." We no longer see that ped.Our local news did do a story a while back about a teenage girl who caught CP and died. THey made it into this whole "investigative report" type thing where they had her whole family crying and talking about how deadly CP is and some nurse talking about how great the vaccine is, blah blah blah. Then at the end, they said something like, "4 people died in MN last year from it." Really? 4 whole people? How many people died in car accidents? (I'm not sure on what the number was, but it seemed pretty small to be doing such a huge news story on it.) I am getting sick of all the scare-mongering.I do agree with the others who've given advice. When people try to discuss vaccinations with me, I usually tell them that I've been doing my research for about 6 years now, and am confident in my decision not to vax, and change the subject. Anyone who wishes to discuss further (this has only happened twice), I ask them to tell me about the disease they're so concerned about. How is it spread? How many people die from it? What can you do to treat it? I usually hammer them with a flurry of questions until they stop and admit they haven't a clue, and the subject doesn't usually come up again. It doesn't hurt that I used to interrogate people for work, lol >> Hi! I had a very strange conversation with my new neighbor. It had come up in > conversation that I do not immunize my children (or my last two aren't). She is > an unemployed Registered nurse and although she understood why I don't immunize > she also told me that Chicken Pox have become deadly that we have become > so immune to them that the virus has become much more deadly. Now, I was > attached to the phone on the wall watching my dinner burn so I had to end the > conversation quickly. But after I got off the phone I thought..."You mean to > tell me you have seen someone die from Chicken Pox?" I was floored at the > thought, because I bet a million bucks she has never seen it. Then it would help > my argument that the medical field is trying to scare people into getting > immunized. She said that it was rare that they used aborted human cell line in > the vaccines, it doesn't make sense to do that. She is a person that talks over > you, so I let her do that, because she probably didn't want to hear my > arguments. But I will let her know a thing or two about how I feel and what I > think. There will be another opportunity to talk about this with her, I assure > you of that! > > > > I just want any information that you may have on her two statements that would > help me sound like I know what I am talking about. I am not trying to convince > her, the only thing I have to worry about is myself and my family. I am tired of > people questioning my choice! Anyway, any advice would be wonderful and grately > appreciated. > > > By the way, I love all the articles and questions being asked/answered. I am > learning so much. I even felt really calm during my conversation with my > neighbor because I feel that reading this vaccination thread has given me lots > of good confidence to defend myself!> > Thanks again,> Dede> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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