Guest guest Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 This second doctor never even saw your son and was second guessing the one who did? Did they give you a written order to do so? I'd be packing my bags to go home. Winnie NEED CPS HELPVaccinations > Good evening everybody,> > A few days ago my 8 month aged son must have taken a fall on the tile> kitchen floor, resulting in a bump on the side of his head.> > So yesterday I took him to a pediatrician, not our doctor...I'm > visiting my> mother in AZ, besides, at home in CA I have never taken my son > to a doctor.> The pediatrician in Tucson advised an x-ray, which I somewhat > unwillinglyconsented to. The 3 images revealed a skull > fracture, not depressed.> After conferring with the radiologigist, the pediatrician > advised me that> there was nothing that could be done to heal the wound; it would > heal on its> own, with some hardening of the skull from calcification of > healing. The> next thing the ped mentioned was informing me of her mandated to > call CPS> since it's a skull injury.> > Fast forward to this evening, 1 hour ago, a female social worker > arrives at> my mother's door...then my mum let her IN THE HOUSE, joy. We > talked for> about 15 minutes, me answering questions as succinctly as > possible. Then> she went outside to speak with her supervisor, & upon that call > terminatingshe walked back into the house to tell me I HAD TO > take DS to have a cat> scan tomorrow....which I'm NOT DOING. The supervisor apparently > told our> social worker that another doctor had said to CPS that a cat > scan was> imperative, as the x-ray was not sufficient to determine if > indeed the> injury was a skull fracture.> > Can ANYBODY please give me some advice? I'm fixin' to read more > about CPS> details online, but am somewhat frantic at moment.> > Thanks in advance,> > Catie> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 And are you giving your son Arnica? That would take care of any bleeding they're obviously worried about. There's nothing they could give that would be better than Arnica anyway. Winnie NEED CPS HELP> Vaccinations > > > Good evening everybody,> > > > A few days ago my 8 month aged son must have taken a fall on > the tile> > kitchen floor, resulting in a bump on the side of his head.> > > > So yesterday I took him to a pediatrician, not our > doctor...I'm > > visiting my> > mother in AZ, besides, at home in CA I have never taken my son > > to a doctor.> > The pediatrician in Tucson advised an x-ray, which I somewhat > > unwillinglyconsented to. The 3 images revealed a skull > > fracture, not depressed.> > After conferring with the radiologigist, the pediatrician > > advised me that> > there was nothing that could be done to heal the wound; it > would > > heal on its> > own, with some hardening of the skull from calcification of > > healing. The> > next thing the ped mentioned was informing me of her mandated > to > > call CPS> > since it's a skull injury.> > > > Fast forward to this evening, 1 hour ago, a female social > worker > > arrives at> > my mother's door...then my mum let her IN THE HOUSE, joy. We > > talked for> > about 15 minutes, me answering questions as succinctly as > > possible. Then> > she went outside to speak with her supervisor, & upon that > call > > terminatingshe walked back into the house to tell me I HAD TO > > take DS to have a cat> > scan tomorrow....which I'm NOT DOING. The supervisor > apparently > > told our> > social worker that another doctor had said to CPS that a cat > > scan was> > imperative, as the x-ray was not sufficient to determine if > > indeed the> > injury was a skull fracture.> > > > Can ANYBODY please give me some advice? I'm fixin' to read > more > > about CPS> > details online, but am somewhat frantic at moment.> > > > Thanks in advance,> > > > Catie> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 In a message dated 2/9/2011 11:59:42 PM US Mountain Standard Time, kittytomlinson@... writes: A few days ago my 8 month aged son must have taken a fall on the tile kitchen floor, resulting in a bump on the side of his head. So yesterday I took him to a pediatrician, not our doctor ...I'm visiting my mother in AZ, besides, at home in CA I have never taken my son to a doctor. The pediatrician in Tucson advised an x-ray, which I somewhat unwillingly consented to. The 3 images revealed a skull fracture, not depressed. From *their* standpoint (I know because I was one of *them* - ER nurse) it definitely raises red flags when a baby has a skull fracture. And it sounds like you don't really know how it happened, you're just surmising. It's extremely unusual for a child that age to fall (even on a tile floor) and fracture his skull. I think that is probably a bigger issue from a CPS standpoint than the lack of vaccinations. JMHO ... Becca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 I'd try to find more of this info b/c I absolutely would not do it, and maybe there's a way to put the burden on them to prove that they are not going to cause serious harm for no good reason. I remember this was in the news (in the US) last year. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1235901/CAT-scan-cancer-fear-Radiation-trigger-disease-80-patients.html From: wharrison@... <wharrison@...>Subject: Re: NEED CPS HELPVaccinations Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 9:52 PM And are you giving your son Arnica? That would take care of any bleeding they're obviously worried about. There's nothing they could give that would be better than Arnica anyway. Winnie NEED CPS HELP> Vaccinations > > > Good evening everybody,> > > > A few days ago my 8 month aged son must have taken a fall on > the tile> > kitchen floor, resulting in a bump on the side of his head.> > > > So yesterday I took him to a pediatrician, not our > doctor...I'm > > visiting my> > mother in AZ, besides, at home in CA I have never taken my son > > to a doctor.> > The pediatrician in Tucson advised an x-ray, which I somewhat > > unwillinglyconsented to. The 3 images revealed a skull > > fracture, not depressed.> > After conferring with the radiologigist, the pediatrician > > advised me that> > there was nothing that could be done to heal the wound; it > would > > heal on its> > own, with some hardening of the skull from calcification of > > healing. The> > next thing the ped mentioned was informing me of her mandated > to > > call CPS> > since it's a skull injury.> > > > Fast forward to this evening, 1 hour ago, a female social > worker > > arrives at> > my mother's door...then my mum let her IN THE HOUSE, joy. We > > talked for> > about 15 minutes, me answering questions as succinctly as > > possible. Then> > she went outside to speak with her supervisor, & upon that > call > > terminatingshe walked back into the house to tell me I HAD TO > > take DS to have a cat> > scan tomorrow....which I'm NOT DOING. The supervisor > apparently > > told our> > social worker that another doctor had said to CPS that a cat > > scan was> > imperative, as the x-ray was not sufficient to determine if > > indeed the> > injury was a skull fracture.> > > > Can ANYBODY please give me some advice? I'm fixin' to read > more > > about CPS> > details online, but am somewhat frantic at moment.> > > > Thanks in advance,> > > > Catie> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 I'm with Winnie--the doc they talked to never saw your son. CPS is notorious for thinking all parents are bad guys. That is the assumption they will make. And they will act as if they have more power than they have. Call them on it. Ask for written/documented evidence that shows why you would have to put your baby through a CAT scan. Tell them you've already seen a doctor, and have a copy on hand of the doctor's conclusions. You aren't trying to hide anything, or you wouldn't have taken the baby in to begin with. Be gentle, but firm. If you can research more on your rights, do so. Calling their bluff legally usually makes them back down. Amy > > > This second doctor never even saw your son and was second > > guessing the one who did? Did they give you a written order to > > do so? > > > > I'd be packing my bags to go home. > > > > Winnie > > > > NEED CPS HELP > > Vaccinations > > > > > Good evening everybody, > > > > > > A few days ago my 8 month aged son must have taken a fall on > > the tile > > > kitchen floor, resulting in a bump on the side of his head. > > > > > > So yesterday I took him to a pediatrician, not our > > doctor...I'm > > > visiting my > > > mother in AZ, besides, at home in CA I have never taken my son > > > to a doctor. > > > The pediatrician in Tucson advised an x-ray, which I somewhat > > > unwillinglyconsented to. The 3 images revealed a skull > > > fracture, not depressed. > > > After conferring with the radiologigist, the pediatrician > > > advised me that > > > there was nothing that could be done to heal the wound; it > > would > > > heal on its > > > own, with some hardening of the skull from calcification of > > > healing. The > > > next thing the ped mentioned was informing me of her mandated > > to > > > call CPS > > > since it's a skull injury. > > > > > > Fast forward to this evening, 1 hour ago, a female social > > worker > > > arrives at > > > my mother's door...then my mum let her IN THE HOUSE, joy. We > > > talked for > > > about 15 minutes, me answering questions as succinctly as > > > possible. Then > > > she went outside to speak with her supervisor, & upon that > > call > > > terminatingshe walked back into the house to tell me I HAD TO > > > take DS to have a cat > > > scan tomorrow....which I'm NOT DOING. The supervisor > > apparently > > > told our > > > social worker that another doctor had said to CPS that a cat > > > scan was > > > imperative, as the x-ray was not sufficient to determine if > > > indeed the > > > injury was a skull fracture. > > > > > > Can ANYBODY please give me some advice? I'm fixin' to read > > more > > > about CPS > > > details online, but am somewhat frantic at moment. > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Catie > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Right, obviously I'm not huring my child if I submit him to a doctor's visit, but at this point I think the initial 'complaint' of the head injury is out with the old & in with the new, because...  The social worker asked who his doctor was & his last visit; I said he's never seen a doctor until yesterday (she appeared shaken). I almost said 'if it ain't broke don't fix it.' Next she asked what about shots & I replied that I exercise my philosophical exemption for the state of CA (which AZ has as well) & she asked twice " what's it called? " like it didn't exist! THEN she asked where he was born & I said 'here at home.' She asked which hospital; I reiterated AT HOME, & she was beyond flustered. I'm fairly certain that with my off-the-grid perspectives on medical care are raising a red flag & oh yes, then she found out we don't have insurance (the doctor said we paid cash) & was PUSHING me to get answers if it was a financial reason, which I denied time & time again.  I'm positive that the no vaccine issue & no doctor visits are pushing me into the neglect category.  Oooh the headaches these paperpushers perpetuate. On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 9:51 PM, asantarelli6 <santa6@...> wrote:  I'm with Winnie--the doc they talked to never saw your son. CPS is notorious for thinking all parents are bad guys. That is the assumption they will make. And they will act as if they have more power than they have. Call them on it. Ask for written/documented evidence that shows why you would have to put your baby through a CAT scan. Tell them you've already seen a doctor, and have a copy on hand of the doctor's conclusions. You aren't trying to hide anything, or you wouldn't have taken the baby in to begin with. Be gentle, but firm. If you can research more on your rights, do so. Calling their bluff legally usually makes them back down. Amy > > > This second doctor never even saw your son and was second > > guessing the one who did? Did they give you a written order to > > do so? > > > > I'd be packing my bags to go home. > > > > Winnie> > > > NEED CPS HELP > > Vaccinations > > > > > Good evening everybody,> > > > > > A few days ago my 8 month aged son must have taken a fall on > > the tile> > > kitchen floor, resulting in a bump on the side of his head.> > > > > > So yesterday I took him to a pediatrician, not our > > doctor...I'm > > > visiting my > > > mother in AZ, besides, at home in CA I have never taken my son > > > to a doctor.> > > The pediatrician in Tucson advised an x-ray, which I somewhat > > > unwillinglyconsented to. The 3 images revealed a skull > > > fracture, not depressed.> > > After conferring with the radiologigist, the pediatrician > > > advised me that> > > there was nothing that could be done to heal the wound; it > > would > > > heal on its> > > own, with some hardening of the skull from calcification of > > > healing. The> > > next thing the ped mentioned was informing me of her mandated > > to > > > call CPS> > > since it's a skull injury.> > > > > > Fast forward to this evening, 1 hour ago, a female social > > worker > > > arrives at > > > my mother's door...then my mum let her IN THE HOUSE, joy. We > > > talked for> > > about 15 minutes, me answering questions as succinctly as > > > possible. Then > > > she went outside to speak with her supervisor, & upon that > > call > > > terminatingshe walked back into the house to tell me I HAD TO > > > take DS to have a cat > > > scan tomorrow....which I'm NOT DOING. The supervisor > > apparently > > > told our> > > social worker that another doctor had said to CPS that a cat > > > scan was > > > imperative, as the x-ray was not sufficient to determine if > > > indeed the> > > injury was a skull fracture.> > > > > > Can ANYBODY please give me some advice? I'm fixin' to read > > more > > > about CPS> > > details online, but am somewhat frantic at moment.> > > > > > Thanks in advance,> > > > > > Catie> > > > >> -- A homebirthing, cloth diapering, co-sleeping, non-vaccinating, non MGM, whole foods mama to Hailey Olivia (04/01/08) & Tobias Oliver (05/30/10). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 YOu need to get a Lawyer. I would talk to the CPS only through a lawyer. correy > > > > > > > > > I'm with Winnie--the doc they talked to never saw your son. CPS is > > notorious for thinking all parents are bad guys. That is the assumption they > > will make. And they will act as if they have more power than they have. Call > > them on it. Ask for written/documented evidence that shows why you would > > have to put your baby through a CAT scan. Tell them you've already seen a > > doctor, and have a copy on hand of the doctor's conclusions. You aren't > > trying to hide anything, or you wouldn't have taken the baby in to begin > > with. Be gentle, but firm. If you can research more on your rights, do so. > > Calling their bluff legally usually makes them back down. > > > > Amy > > > > > > > > > This second doctor never even saw your son and was second > > > > guessing the one who did? Did they give you a written order to > > > > do so? > > > > > > > > I'd be packing my bags to go home. > > > > > > > > Winnie > > > > > > > > NEED CPS HELP > > > > Vaccinations > > > > > > > > > Good evening everybody, > > > > > > > > > > A few days ago my 8 month aged son must have taken a fall on > > > > the tile > > > > > kitchen floor, resulting in a bump on the side of his head. > > > > > > > > > > So yesterday I took him to a pediatrician, not our > > > > doctor...I'm > > > > > visiting my > > > > > mother in AZ, besides, at home in CA I have never taken my son > > > > > to a doctor. > > > > > The pediatrician in Tucson advised an x-ray, which I somewhat > > > > > unwillinglyconsented to. The 3 images revealed a skull > > > > > fracture, not depressed. > > > > > After conferring with the radiologigist, the pediatrician > > > > > advised me that > > > > > there was nothing that could be done to heal the wound; it > > > > would > > > > > heal on its > > > > > own, with some hardening of the skull from calcification of > > > > > healing. The > > > > > next thing the ped mentioned was informing me of her mandated > > > > to > > > > > call CPS > > > > > since it's a skull injury. > > > > > > > > > > Fast forward to this evening, 1 hour ago, a female social > > > > worker > > > > > arrives at > > > > > my mother's door...then my mum let her IN THE HOUSE, joy. We > > > > > talked for > > > > > about 15 minutes, me answering questions as succinctly as > > > > > possible. Then > > > > > she went outside to speak with her supervisor, & upon that > > > > call > > > > > terminatingshe walked back into the house to tell me I HAD TO > > > > > take DS to have a cat > > > > > scan tomorrow....which I'm NOT DOING. The supervisor > > > > apparently > > > > > told our > > > > > social worker that another doctor had said to CPS that a cat > > > > > scan was > > > > > imperative, as the x-ray was not sufficient to determine if > > > > > indeed the > > > > > injury was a skull fracture. > > > > > > > > > > Can ANYBODY please give me some advice? I'm fixin' to read > > > > more > > > > > about CPS > > > > > details online, but am somewhat frantic at moment. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > > > Catie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > *A homebirthing, cloth diapering, co-sleeping, non-vaccinating, non MGM, > whole foods mama to Hailey Olivia (04/01/08) & Tobias Oliver (05/30/10).* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Confirm every confersation in writing. Keep copies of every single document. Corrie is right contact a lawyer just to check where you stand legally. No parent has to have her child vaccinated. Children fall, fact of life. If your child is fit and healthy and none the worse for the encounter with the floor and a doctor has verified that he is well, then I see no reason to subject this child to the trauma of a CAT scan just to satisfy CPS. From: kdhrtd <kdhrtd@...>Subject: Re: NEED CPS HELPVaccinations Date: Thursday, 10 February, 2011, 18:15 YOu need to get a Lawyer. I would talk to the CPS only through a lawyer.correy> > >> >> >> > I'm with Winnie--the doc they talked to never saw your son. CPS is> > notorious for thinking all parents are bad guys. That is the assumption they> > will make. And they will act as if they have more power than they have. Call> > them on it. Ask for written/documented evidence that shows why you would> > have to put your baby through a CAT scan. Tell them you've already seen a> > doctor, and have a copy on hand of the doctor's conclusions. You aren't> > trying to hide anything, or you wouldn't have taken the baby in to begin> > with. Be gentle, but firm. If you can research more on your rights, do so.> > Calling their bluff legally usually makes them back down.> >> > Amy> >> > >> > > > This second doctor never even saw your son and was second> > > > guessing the one who did? Did they give you a written order to> > > > do so?> > > >> > > > I'd be packing my bags to go home.> > > >> > > > Winnie> > > >> > > > NEED CPS HELP> > > > Vaccinations > > > >> > > > > Good evening everybody,> > > > >> > > > > A few days ago my 8 month aged son must have taken a fall on> > > > the tile> > > > > kitchen floor, resulting in a bump on the side of his head.> > > > >> > > > > So yesterday I took him to a pediatrician, not our> > > > doctor...I'm> > > > > visiting my> > > > > mother in AZ, besides, at home in CA I have never taken my son> > > > > to a doctor.> > > > > The pediatrician in Tucson advised an x-ray, which I somewhat> > > > > unwillinglyconsented to. The 3 images revealed a skull> > > > > fracture, not depressed.> > > > > After conferring with the radiologigist, the pediatrician> > > > > advised me that> > > > > there was nothing that could be done to heal the wound; it> > > > would> > > > > heal on its> > > > > own, with some hardening of the skull from calcification of> > > > > healing. The> > > > > next thing the ped mentioned was informing me of her mandated> > > > to> > > > > call CPS> > > > > since it's a skull injury.> > > > >> > > > > Fast forward to this evening, 1 hour ago, a female social> > > > worker> > > > > arrives at> > > > > my mother's door...then my mum let her IN THE HOUSE, joy. We> > > > > talked for> > > > > about 15 minutes, me answering questions as succinctly as> > > > > possible. Then> > > > > she went outside to speak with her supervisor, & upon that> > > > call> > > > > terminatingshe walked back into the house to tell me I HAD TO> > > > > take DS to have a cat> > > > > scan tomorrow....which I'm NOT DOING. The supervisor> > > > apparently> > > > > told our> > > > > social worker that another doctor had said to CPS that a cat> > > > > scan was> > > > > imperative, as the x-ray was not sufficient to determine if> > > > > indeed the> > > > > injury was a skull fracture.> > > > >> > > > > Can ANYBODY please give me some advice? I'm fixin' to read> > > > more> > > > > about CPS> > > > > details online, but am somewhat frantic at moment.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks in advance,> > > > >> > > > > Catie> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > -- > > *A homebirthing, cloth diapering, co-sleeping, non-vaccinating, non MGM,> whole foods mama to Hailey Olivia (04/01/08) & Tobias Oliver (05/30/10).*> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 www.fightcps.com > > Good evening everybody, > > A few days ago my 8 month aged son must have taken a fall on the tile > kitchen floor, resulting in a bump on the side of his head. > > So yesterday I took him to a pediatrician, not our doctor...I'm visiting my > mother in AZ, besides, at home in CA I have never taken my son to a doctor. > The pediatrician in Tucson advised an x-ray, which I somewhat unwillingly > consented to. The 3 images revealed a skull fracture, not depressed. > After conferring with the radiologigist, the pediatrician advised me that > there was nothing that could be done to heal the wound; it would heal on its > own, with some hardening of the skull from calcification of healing. The > next thing the ped mentioned was informing me of her mandated to call CPS > since it's a skull injury. > > Fast forward to this evening, 1 hour ago, a female social worker arrives at > my mother's door...then my mum let her IN THE HOUSE, joy. We talked for > about 15 minutes, me answering questions as succinctly as possible. Then > she went outside to speak with her supervisor, & upon that call terminating > she walked back into the house to tell me I HAD TO take DS to have a cat > scan tomorrow....which I'm NOT DOING. The supervisor apparently told our > social worker that another doctor had said to CPS that a cat scan was > imperative, as the x-ray was not sufficient to determine if indeed the > injury was a skull fracture. > > Can ANYBODY please give me some advice? I'm fixin' to read more about CPS > details online, but am somewhat frantic at moment. > > Thanks in advance, > > Catie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.