Re: hospital denying Vit K refusal

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Interesting find, Winnie! Thanks for posting this.From: "wharrison@..." <wharrison@...>Vaccinations Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 7:19:54 PMSubject: Re: hospital denying Vit K refusal

That's kind of funny that he said the breastmilk caused it, just because it's called breastmilk jaundice. According to here ( http://pediatrics.about.com/library/breastfeeding/blbreastfeedingh.htm): "There is a condition commonly called breastmilk jaundice. No one knows what the cause of breastmilk jaundice is."

Further down, it said this:: "However, in our experience, most exclusively breastfed babies who are perfectly healthy and gaining weight well are still jaundiced at 5-6 weeks of life and even later. The question, in fact, should be whether it is normal not to be jaundiced and is this absence of jaundice something we should worry about? Do not stop breastfeeding for “breastmilk†jaundice."

Winnie Re: hospital denying Vit K refusal> > Vaccinations > > > > > Here is a good article on Vit K:> > > > >>http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/03/27/high-risks-to-your-baby-from-vitamin-k-shot-they-dont-warn-you-about.aspx> >x___

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blamed on breastmilk when it is the Vitamin K, they got

Sheri

At 07:24 PM 1/20/2011, you wrote:

Interesting find, Winnie! Thanks

for posting this.

From:

" wharrison@... " <wharrison@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 7:19:54 PM

Subject: Re: hospital denying Vit K refusal

That's kind of funny that he said the breastmilk caused it, just because

it's called breastmilk jaundice. According to here (

http://pediatrics.about.com/library/breastfeeding/blbreastfeedingh.htm

): " There is a condition commonly called breastmilk jaundice. No one

knows what the cause of breastmilk jaundice is. "

Further down, it said this:: " However, in our experience, most

exclusively breastfed babies who are perfectly healthy and

gaining weight well are still jaundiced at 5-6 weeks of life and even

later. The question, in fact, should be whether it is normal not to be

jaundiced and is this absence of jaundice something we should worry

about? Do not stop breastfeeding for “breastmilkâ€

jaundice. "

Winnie

Re: hospital denying Vit K refusal

> > Vaccinations

> >

> > > Here is a good article on Vit K:

> > >

>

>>

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/03/27/high-risks-to-your-baby-from-vitamin-k-shot-they-dont-warn-you-about.aspx

> >x

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I refused vitamin K for my first son, knowing about vaccines at the time, I had just heard somone in my ante-natal group who had questioned it, and we looked into it. We did not have a problem, I think he did not get it but I am not sure. Even the leaflet that the hospital said that there was a risk of leukemia, of 1 in 10,000. (with the injected version)

When we had my second son, we had the most amazing pressure about vit K, we vocally refused it (am UK based). We got the a pead coming and telling us how he had seen a baby need a full blood transfusion and nearly die, etc nasty fear monger. In the end we had to say not to ask us anymore.

Both my sons were born by emergency section, and both were jaundiced.

Feed Feed Feed. I fed so much my milk came in after 2 days. I also breast fed after general anesthetic.

I must admit the pressure contributed to my PND somewhat.

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Yes, Winnie!  Hawkwatching is very important at the hospital at all times!  I just read another chat website about the vitamin K issue.  http://www.mothering.com/community/forum/thread/607762/hospital-refusal-to-care-for-no-vitamin-k-newborns  This conversation also points out that sometimes births happen so quickly that family members must be prepared to say " no " to the vitamin K vaccine on the spot (as my mother did) before it's too late and the baby gets stuck with a needle.   Sometimes there's no opportunity beforehand to even turn in a Birth Plan, let alone for the staff to read it.  (This was the situation with my first birth, but fortunately my mother verbally stepped in to stop the needle.)  If a mother or family member is physically standing there saying, " Do not touch my baby with that needle, " they have to stop... especially if it's a big, fierce, intimidating looking person.  LOL!  Seriously, my mother may not be a physically big person, but she is a bold advocate who knows how to get her point across.  

 

Sure, Sheri!  You can absolutely pass the idea along, and hopefully it can be helpful to others.  Here's another good article link about vitamin K by Don Harkins.  http://www.wvdhhr.org/nbms/Disorders_Expansion_02042009.pdf   One article said that the synthetic vitamin K actually prevents the baby's liver from producing real vitamin K.

 

I like to be prepared, since you have nine months to worry and never really know ahead of time what anyone could potentially say at the hospital.   It was comforting to me during my second pregnancy to have the name and phone number of a real person in a key authoritative position to use as a source reference in case any of the staff wanted to question my legal right to refuse at the hospital.  I went to a hospital where nobody questioned my legal right to refuse, which I established with the hospital staff ahead of time through my (sneaky) anonymous phone calls.      As I mentioned, a brainwashed woman pediatrician who happened to be doing her rounds at the hospital that night did unsuccessfully try to persuade me to consent to the vitamin K shot, but her words fell on deaf ears.  She left my hospital room in a huff!  They need to get used to it as more and more people learn the truth!  The way I see it, it's not my problem if my choice to protect my baby hurts their feelings or their pocketbooks.  Hopefully they'll learn to accept the truth despite their financial conflict of interest.  I really felt like a teacher at the hospital during my childbirth, because basically they routinely do everything wrong, and I had to reteach them everything from start to finish.  I refused the bath, too, just rinsed his hair in a sink, since the vernix protects the skin.  I also refused the hearing screening.  The staff was nice though and the labor and delivery nurses actually said they preferred my birthing style, because it was much easier for them, too!  They didn't even have to clean up very much, because there was so little blood.  They said I needed to " teach girls there how to have a baby. "    

 

 

 

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:07 PM, <wharrison@...> wrote:

 

I agree. Don't settle for random people deciding what is law and what isn't. Go over their heads to whoever is in charge and can make decisions to confirm your rights.

 

But also hawk-watching. Definitely. The staff who interacts with you directly will follow whatever procedure they're used to if you let them.

 

Winnie  Re: Re: hospital denying Vit K refusalVaccinations

> There is another backup option you can investigate in advance to

> protectyourself against the hospital staff when you're refusing > the vitamin K> shot. During my last pregnancy I made a lot of phone calls. I called> various hospitals to ask what their policies were on refusing

> the vitamin K> vaccine and PKU newborn screening blood test, which screens for > incrediblyrare diseases. (See link. > http://www.wvdhhr.org/nbms/Disorders_Expansion_02042009.pdf ) I > spoke to> random nurses who answered the phone in newborn nurseries, and I

> often got> some confused responses. Often they would say, " It's a > 'mandatory' state> law that babies receive the vitamin K shot and the PKU > screening. " However,

> once I got the correct answer, which was, " Oh, yes, once we had > a mother> here who adamantly refused the PKU newborn blood screening (heel > stick).Sure enough, I called the state department, and she did

> have the right to> refuse! So, yes, it's your baby and your right to refuse. " > Sometimes it's> just a matter of setting a precedent at a hospital and educating > the staff

> that this is a mother's right to refuse. The staff is taught hospital> policy to inform patients that " it's mandatory state law " to > perform x,y,> and z on every single baby.

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Correction!  Somehow I posted the wrong link in my last post for the vitamin K article!  Here it is: http://www.healthtruthrevealed.com/articles/13454627009/article

 

 

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:59 AM, <melanieecooperesq@...> wrote:

Yes, Winnie!  Hawkwatching is very important at the hospital at all times!  I just read another chat website about the vitamin K issue.  http://www.mothering.com/community/forum/thread/607762/hospital-refusal-to-care-for-no-vitamin-k-newborns  This conversation also points out that sometimes births happen so quickly that family members must be prepared to say " no " to the vitamin K vaccine on the spot (as my mother did) before it's too late and the baby gets stuck with a needle.   Sometimes there's no opportunity beforehand to even turn in a Birth Plan, let alone for the staff to read it.  (This was the situation with my first birth, but fortunately my mother verbally stepped in to stop the needle.)  If a mother or family member is physically standing there saying, " Do not touch my baby with that needle, " they have to stop... especially if it's a big, fierce, intimidating looking person.  LOL!  Seriously, my mother may not be a physically big person, but she is a bold advocate who knows how to get her point across.  

 

Sure, Sheri!  You can absolutely pass the idea along, and hopefully it can be helpful to others.  Here's another good article link about vitamin K by Don Harkins.  http://www.healthtruthrevealed.com/articles/13454627009/article  One article said that the synthetic vitamin K actually prevents the baby's liver from producing real vitamin K.

 

I like to be prepared, since you have nine months to worry and never really know ahead of time what anyone could potentially say at the hospital.   It was comforting to me during my second pregnancy to have the name and phone number of a real person in a key authoritative position to use as a source reference in case any of the staff wanted to question my legal right to refuse at the hospital.  I went to a hospital where nobody questioned my legal right to refuse, which I established with the hospital staff ahead of time through my (sneaky) anonymous phone calls.      As I mentioned, a brainwashed woman pediatrician who happened to be doing her rounds at the hospital that night did unsuccessfully try to persuade me to consent to the vitamin K shot, but her words fell on deaf ears.  She left my hospital room in a huff!  They need to get used to it as more and more people learn the truth!  The way I see it, it's not my problem if my choice to protect my baby hurts their feelings or their pocketbooks.  Hopefully they'll learn to accept the truth despite their financial conflict of interest.  I really felt like a teacher at the hospital during my childbirth, because basically they routinely do everything wrong, and I had to reteach them everything from start to finish.  I refused the bath, too, just rinsed his hair in a sink, since the vernix protects the skin.  I also refused the hearing screening.  The staff was nice though and the labor and delivery nurses actually said they preferred my birthing style, because it was much easier for them, too!  They didn't even have to clean up very much, because there was so little blood.  They said I needed to " teach girls there how to have a baby. "    

 

 

 

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:07 PM, <wharrison@...> wrote:

 

I agree. Don't settle for random people deciding what is law and what isn't. Go over their heads to whoever is in charge and can make decisions to confirm your rights.

 

But also hawk-watching. Definitely. The staff who interacts with you directly will follow whatever procedure they're used to if you let them.

 

Winnie  Re: Re: hospital denying Vit K refusalVaccinations

> There is another backup option you can investigate in advance to

> protectyourself against the hospital staff when you're refusing > the vitamin K> shot. During my last pregnancy I made a lot of phone calls. I called> various hospitals to ask what their policies were on refusing

> the vitamin K> vaccine and PKU newborn screening blood test, which screens for > incrediblyrare diseases. (See link. > http://www.wvdhhr.org/nbms/Disorders_Expansion_02042009.pdf ) I > spoke to> random nurses who answered the phone in newborn nurseries, and I

> often got> some confused responses. Often they would say, " It's a > 'mandatory' state> law that babies receive the vitamin K shot and the PKU > screening. " However,

> once I got the correct answer, which was, " Oh, yes, once we had > a mother> here who adamantly refused the PKU newborn blood screening (heel > stick).Sure enough, I called the state department, and she did

> have the right to> refuse! So, yes, it's your baby and your right to refuse. " > Sometimes it's> just a matter of setting a precedent at a hospital and educating > the staff

> that this is a mother's right to refuse. The staff is taught hospital> policy to inform patients that " it's mandatory state law " to > perform x,y,> and z on every single baby.