Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Immunity is a whole body event involving all the body systems and antibodies are only one aspect of that. A raised antibody count after vaccination only happens because they've put aluminium in the vaccine and other nasties so the immune system is reacting to that. When they have tried to make vaccines without these ingredients, it does not raise the antibodies. So the question would be is the child immune to the disease or is the child simply reacting to heavy metals? All medical journals that I have read show this 'immunity' only lasting for 5 years or so: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL & _udi=B6TD4-3Y44SK2-1P & _user=10 & _rdoc=1 & _fmt= & _orig=search & _sort=d & view=c & _acct=C000050221 & _version=1 & _urlVersion=0 & _userid=10 & md5=697765fd6b771d119481d9b25915d635 Here's one showing kids getting whooping cough even though they're vaccinated and 'immune': http://asi23.ent.psu.edu/onb1/publ/kirimanjeswara/kirimanjeswara2005.pdf Here's one saying that vaccines aren't really that effective but 'biased' investigators report them as so: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/102/4/909?ijkey=dcc68b36cb99386b6913449529f5a133c7898f25 & keytype2=tf_ipsecsha All they do is suppress the body so that if an illness does occur, it doesn't come out the way it is supposed to. With MMR it can come out as atypical measles syndrome. You don't get the rash which the NHS say is safer, but actually they are wrong because it can go inward and cause prolonged pneumonia and measles encephalitis if it is not excreted by the rash. Here is one showing that a 21 month old boy died when the measles virus in the vaccine went to his brain and caused measles encephalitis: http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/520449 All that happens it, it suppresses the illness so you either die like the above or get an altered form of it or you get it when you are a teenager or adult when it is more serious. As the HPA say, all deaths in England and Wales since 1940 with the exception of one, occured in older people. So the vaccine programme increases the risk of death by putting off the disease until adulthood. All vaccines do is alter the age distrubution of the disease, and alter it's expression, they don't give you immunity. They skew the statistics, too, by re-naming illnesses. Polio is now called aseptic meningitis and west nile virus. They call whooping cough 'viral wheeze'. My second child had whooping cough. It went on for 3 months as she was only 10 weeks old when she got it. She had all the classic symptoms, barking cough occuring in bouts, worse at night, difficulty breathing when laying flat, cold symptoms etc. Well the doctor refused to diagnose it as whooping cough even though she is unvaccinated. Why? He said that whooping cough didn't exist anymore and she was protected by the vaccinated children. He told me she had infantile asthma. I said no she doesn't. I said if this asthma suddenly goes away in a few weeks, what are you going to say then? He said in that case it will be viral wheeze. I asked him what that was and he said every few years, clusters of kids get wheezy from a virus. Mmmm, a bit like whooping cough then. A few years later, my friend's baby was coughing in the same way just like my daughter had been and I said 'that sounds like whooping cough'. Sure enough it was. She'd picked it up from her DPT vaccinated 7 year old brother. All of that is going to make vaccines seem really effective because there are loads of cases in both vaccinated and unvaccinated that never get reported as such. Joanna. To: arnicaparents From: louisewalters12@... Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:52:23 +0000 Subject: [arnicaparents] Re: Fascits and stalinists > > > But vaccines don't work anyway Hi, I do wonder about this statement. I'm sure they must work in some people. Since the MMR the incidence of those diseases has become rare, or so we are led to believe, so it suggests to me that the vaccines must " work " somehow. I do not vaccinate my children because I don't want all the toxins in their bodies which can do them harm, but at the ame time I don't justify my actions by a belief that vaccines don't " work " . If Autism has risen because of vaccines, and I believe it has, then surely vaccines can be seen to affect illnesses in the other direction, ie, reduce their incidence? I do have an open mind so correct me if I am wrong but this particular argument against vaccination I have never quite got hold of. Thanks, Louise X __________________________________________________________ Get the best of MSN on your mobile http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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