Re: Re: For the vaccine skeptic--info to share

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exactly.. what i love is the people that call me ignorant or fear-mongering because i don't vaccinate and share the information i find.. when no one ever *ASKS* me why i don't vaccinate. and those that find out are always stumped and usually end in an " oh well, yes its a decision every family has to make with their pediatrician " LOL.. 

the irony is i do religious exemptions because its easier. for the docs they leave you alone with religious exemptions. but the pro-vax families leave you alone when you have medical exemptions. so its a game of who you want to fight with less.

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Beth1Lambert <beth1lambert@...> wrote:

 

Mindy,

I hear ya. . .this is a very hard argument to counter. But I usually tell people that neither infectious diseases NOR chronic illnesses are acceptable outcomes for our children.

Of course we don't want them coming down with a terrible case of pertussis, but we don't want them to have asthma or autism, either. The problem is that the data is beginning to show that vaccines (as we are currently administering them) contribute to the epidemic of chronic illness--(this is in the medical literature!)-so as parents, we shouldn't have to choose whether we want to roll the dice with infectious diseases or whether we want to roll the dice with chronic illnesses. We need to come up with more progressive and intelligent ways to manage infectious diseases. This is not a black and white issue. It is not a matter of whether we should vaccinate or not. It is a matter of figuring out how to best manage infectious diseases while not putting our children at risk for chronic illnesses like autism or ADHD.

What is a thinking, intelligent, conscientious parent to do?

>

> >

> >

> > For those of you dealing with skeptics (who don't understand how vaccines

> > could be harmful) see our brief explanation on why vaccines may contribute

> > to chronic illness such as autism, ADHD, allergies, asthma, etc. (follow

> > link below)

> >

> > http://www.epidemicanswers.org/causes/vaccinations/

> >

> > (Epidemic Answers is a web-based parent outreach project sponsored by *Parents

> > Ending America's Childhood Epidemic, PEACE*)

> >

> > Also, consider looking at my new book, *A Compromised Generation: The

> > Epidemic of Chronic Illness* *in America's Children.* The argument for

> > how vaccines contribute to illnesses like autism, ADHD, allergies, etc. is

> > all laid out in my chapter on immunizations.

> > www.acompromisedgeneration.com

> >

> > hope this is helpful,

> > Beth Lambert

> >

> >

> >

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Great point--don't dismiss the seriousness of those conditions the friend felt were acceptable. Equate them to the diseases she fears (which do NOT kill everyone).

Winnie Re: For the vaccine skeptic--info to shareVaccinations > Allergies can be deadly too. Just the dust and/or odor of a > peanut can kill some people. Eggs, shellfish, etc...also cause > life threatening allergies. Less life threatening allergies > cause a lifetime of suffering - ask my son!> > Asthma kills thousands each year. The cost of medical care alone > for asthma is staggering. Asthma is not a benign disease!! Ask > my son!!> He just missed 2 weeks of school, had 1 ambulance ride to the > ER, a second trip to the ER a few days later that resulted in an > intensive care hospital stay of 3 days TO SAVE HIS LIFE!!! > > Because we have kept the less threatening forms of disease from > infecting us, the diseases are mutating and becoming more > virulent. Diseases such as pertussis, pnuemococcus, meningitis > causing bacteria ( I can't remember the scientific name) are > mutating to forms which we have no vaccine for and are more > deadly than the old garden variety forms.> > Try these arguements with your friends husband. Look up some > stats on the above.> > >

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My daughter is allergic to penicillin and sulfa

antibiotics. That could certainly be

life-threatening. How we found out was she had

the hep b vaccine when she was twelve (Or was it

the hib? Whatever they started giving

twelve-year-olds about 13 years ago). She was

having scary symptoms that from my reading

sounded like " GBS. " I was pretty scared. The

doctor made no connection of these symptoms with

the vaccine and prescribed antibiotics for her

symptoms, first penicillin--to which she got an

immediate rash--then sulfa, followed by a new

rash. Finally, when they just left her alone,

she got well, thank goodness. Now, so is she

really allergic to these antibiotics, or was it

all caused by the vaccine reaction? I sure wish

I knew if it would kill her to have penicillin,

but we can't risk it. Once you have a bad

reaction, your next reaction could be fatal, I've read.

Christie

At 08:17 AM 9/18/2010, you wrote:

>

>

>Allergies can be deadly too. Just the dust

>and/or odor of a peanut can kill some people.

>Eggs, shellfish, etc...also cause life

>threatening allergies. Less life threatening

>allergies cause a lifetime of suffering - ask my son!

>

>Asthma kills thousands each year. The cost of

>medical care alone for asthma is staggering.

>Asthma is not a benign disease!! Ask my son!!

>He just missed 2 weeks of school, had 1

>ambulance ride to the ER, a second trip to the

>ER a few days later that resulted in an

>intensive care hospital stay of 3 days TO SAVE HIS LIFE!!!

>

>Because we have kept the less threatening forms

>of disease from infecting us, the diseases are

>mutating and becoming more virulent. Diseases

>such as pertussis, pnuemococcus, meningitis

>causing bacteria ( I can't remember the

>scientific name) are mutating to forms which we

>have no vaccine for and are more deadly than the old garden variety forms.

>

>Try these arguements with your friends husband.

>Look up some stats on the above.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > For those of you dealing with skeptics (who don't understand how vaccines

> > > could be harmful) see our brief explanation

> on why vaccines may contribute

> > > to chronic illness such as autism, ADHD, allergies, asthma, etc. (follow

> > > link below)

> > >

> > >

>

<http://www.epidemicanswers.org/causes/vaccinations/>http://www.epidemicanswers.\

org/causes/vaccinations/

> > >

> > > (Epidemic Answers is a web-based parent

> outreach project sponsored by *Parents

> > > Ending America's Childhood Epidemic, PEACE*)

> > >

> > > Also, consider looking at my new book, *A Compromised Generation: The

> > > Epidemic of Chronic Illness* *in America's Children.* The argument for

> > > how vaccines contribute to illnesses like

> autism, ADHD, allergies, etc. is

> > > all laid out in my chapter on immunizations.

> > > www.acompromisedgeneration.com

> > >

> > > hope this is helpful,

> > > Beth Lambert

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > www.discoverytoyslink.com/mlefort

> > www.juiceplus.com/+ml76732

> > mindy-lefort.barefootbooks.com

> > www.shopmonet.com/rep/store/mindysminerals

> >

>

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Your first reaction can be fatal, too. It could also be she received a vaccine from a hot lot and the next one might not be (although I sure would be worried about a second one!). There are a lot of factors as to why a particular vaccine could cause a reaction--including the manufacturer's quality control record.

And it would be the Hep B vaccine at age 12. Hib is only for babies. It's a good thing you figured out the connection to her reaction. Many parents don't.

Winnie Re: Re: For the vaccine skeptic--info to shareVaccinations > My daughter is allergic to penicillin and sulfa > antibiotics. That could certainly be > life-threatening. How we found out was she had > the hep b vaccine when she was twelve (Or was it > the hib? Whatever they started giving > twelve-year-olds about 13 years ago). She was > having scary symptoms that from my reading > sounded like "GBS." I was pretty scared. The > doctor made no connection of these symptoms with > the vaccine and prescribed antibiotics for her > symptoms, first penicillin--to which she got an > immediate rash--then sulfa, followed by a new > rash. Finally, when they just left her alone, > she got well, thank goodness. Now, so is she > really allergic to these antibiotics, or was it > all caused by the vaccine reaction? I sure wish > I knew if it would kill her to have penicillin, > but we can't risk it. Once you have a bad > reaction, your next reaction could be fatal, I've read.> > Christie> > At 08:17 AM 9/18/2010, you wrote:> >> >> >Allergies can be deadly too. Just the dust > >and/or odor of a peanut can kill some people. > >Eggs, shellfish, etc...also cause life > >threatening allergies. Less life threatening > >allergies cause a lifetime of suffering - ask my son!> >> >Asthma kills thousands each year. The cost of > >medical care alone for asthma is staggering. > >Asthma is not a benign disease!! Ask my son!!> >He just missed 2 weeks of school, had 1 > >ambulance ride to the ER, a second trip to the > >ER a few days later that resulted in an > >intensive care hospital stay of 3 days TO SAVE HIS LIFE!!!> >> >Because we have kept the less threatening forms > >of disease from infecting us, the diseases are > >mutating and becoming more virulent. Diseases > >such as pertussis, pnuemococcus, meningitis > >causing bacteria ( I can't remember the > >scientific name) are mutating to forms which we > >have no vaccine for and are more deadly than the old garden > variety forms.> >> >Try these arguements with your friends husband. > >Look up some stats on the above.> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > > > For those of you dealing with skeptics (who don't > understand how vaccines> > > > could be harmful) see our brief explanation > > on why vaccines may contribute> > > > to chronic illness such as autism, ADHD, allergies, > asthma, etc. (follow> > > > link below)> > > >> > > > > > > http://www.epidemicanswers.org/causes/vaccinations/> > >> > > > (Epidemic Answers is a web-based parent > > outreach project sponsored by *Parents> > > > Ending America's Childhood Epidemic, PEACE*)> > > >> > > > Also, consider looking at my new book, *A Compromised > Generation: The> > > > Epidemic of Chronic Illness* *in America's Children.* The > argument for> > > > how vaccines contribute to illnesses like > > autism, ADHD, allergies, etc. is> > > > all laid out in my chapter on immunizations.> > > > www.acompromisedgeneration.com> > > >> > > > hope this is helpful,> > > > Beth Lambert> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > www.discoverytoyslink.com/mlefort> > > www.juiceplus.com/+ml76732> > > mindy-lefort.barefootbooks.com> > > www.shopmonet.com/rep/store/mindysminerals> > >> >> >> >> >No virus found in this incoming message.> >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> >Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3142 > >- Release Date: 09/17/10 14:34:00> >

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Well it was obvious. She was fine before the

vaccine, in bad shape afterwards. The doctor

didn't even mention the connection, and I did not

report it. Thanks for setting me straight. I

thought it was Hep B but wasn't sure. So long ago and they sound similar.

Christie

At 07:28 AM 9/20/2010, you wrote:

>

>

>Your first reaction can be fatal, too. It could

>also be she received a vaccine from a hot lot

>and the next one might not be (although I sure

>would be worried about a second one!). There are

>a lot of factors as to why a particular vaccine

>could cause a reaction--including the manufacturer's quality control record.

>

>And it would be the Hep B vaccine at age 12. Hib

>is only for babies. It's a good thing you

>figured out the connection to her reaction. Many parents don't.

>

>Winnie

>

> Re: Re: For the vaccine skeptic--info to share

>Vaccinations

>

> > My daughter is allergic to penicillin and sulfa

> > antibiotics. That could certainly be

> > life-threatening. How we found out was she had

> > the hep b vaccine when she was twelve (Or was it

> > the hib? Whatever they started giving

> > twelve-year-olds about 13 years ago). She was

> > having scary symptoms that from my reading

> > sounded like " GBS. " I was pretty scared. The

> > doctor made no connection of these symptoms with

> > the vaccine and prescribed antibiotics for her

> > symptoms, first penicillin--to which she got an

> > immediate rash--then sulfa, followed by a new

> > rash. Finally, when they just left her alone,

> > she got well, thank goodness. Now, so is she

> > really allergic to these antibiotics, or was it

> > all caused by the vaccine reaction? I sure wish

> > I knew if it would kill her to have penicillin,

> > but we can't risk it. Once you have a bad

> > reaction, your next reaction could be fatal, I've read.

> >

> > Christie

> >

> > At 08:17 AM 9/18/2010, you wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >Allergies can be deadly too. Just the dust

> > >and/or odor of a peanut can kill some people.

> > >Eggs, shellfish, etc...also cause life

> > >threatening allergies. Less life threatening

> > >allergies cause a lifetime of suffering - ask my son!

> > >

> > >Asthma kills thousands each year. The cost of

> > >medical care alone for asthma is staggering.

> > >Asthma is not a benign disease!! Ask my son!!

> > >He just missed 2 weeks of school, had 1

> > >ambulance ride to the ER, a second trip to the

> > >ER a few days later that resulted in an

> > >intensive care hospital stay of 3 days TO SAVE HIS LIFE!!!

> > >

> > >Because we have kept the less threatening forms

> > >of disease from infecting us, the diseases are

> > >mutating and becoming more virulent. Diseases

> > >such as pertussis, pnuemococcus, meningitis

> > >causing bacteria ( I can't remember the

> > >scientific name) are mutating to forms which we

> > >have no vaccine for and are more deadly than the old garden

> > variety forms.

> > >

> > >Try these arguements with your friends husband.

> > >Look up some stats on the above.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >> >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > For those of you dealing with skeptics (who don't

> > understand how vaccines

> > > > > could be harmful) see our brief explanation

> > > on why vaccines may contribute

> > > > > to chronic illness such as autism, ADHD, allergies,

> > asthma, etc. (follow

> > > > > link below)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > http://www.epidemicanswers.org/causes/vaccinations/> > >

> > > > > (Epidemic Answers is a web-based parent

> > > outreach project sponsored by *Parents

> > > > > Ending America's Childhood Epidemic, PEACE*)

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, consider looking at my new book, *A Compromised

> > Generation: The

> > > > > Epidemic of Chronic Illness* *in America's Children.* The

> > argument for

> > > > > how vaccines contribute to illnesses like

> > > autism, ADHD, allergies, etc. is

> > > > > all laid out in my chapter on immunizations.

> > > > > www.acompromisedgeneration.com

> > > > >

> > > > > hope this is helpful,

> > > > > Beth Lambert

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> & g

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I know, they start to blur for me, too, since it's been so long. Then they have all these new ones since my guys were babies. It's unbelievable. I don't know how we're all alive without having them!

Winnie Re: Re: For the vaccine skeptic--info to shareVaccinations > Well it was obvious. She was fine before the > vaccine, in bad shape afterwards. The doctor > didn't even mention the connection, and I did not > report it. Thanks for setting me straight. I > thought it was Hep B but wasn't sure. So long ago and they > sound similar.> Christie>

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I don't even know what the hib is. I wanted to

ask, but that seems lazy. I could just look it up later.

Christie

At 10:58 PM 9/20/2010, you wrote:

>

>

>I know, they start to blur for me, too, since

>it's been so long. Then they have all these new

>ones since my guys were babies. It's

>unbelievable. I don't know how we're all alive without having them!

>

>Winnie

>

> Re: Re: For the vaccine skeptic--info to share

>Vaccinations

>

> > Well it was obvious. She was fine before the

> > vaccine, in bad shape afterwards. The doctor

> > didn't even mention the connection, and I did not

> > report it. Thanks for setting me straight. I

> > thought it was Hep B but wasn't sure. So long ago and they

> > sound similar.

> > Christie

> >

>

>

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It's the meningitis vaccine for babies. I believe a different one is given to college students. They began giving it when my oldest was a baby (1991). Now they give boosters, too. You know--it didn't work with one so let's give more??

Winnie Re: Re: For the vaccine skeptic--info > to share> >Vaccinations > >> > > Well it was obvious. She was fine before the> > > vaccine, in bad shape afterwards. The doctor> > > didn't even mention the connection, and I did not> > > report it. Thanks for setting me straight. I> > > thought it was Hep B but wasn't sure. So long ago and they> > > sound similar.> > > Christie> > >> >> >> >No virus found in this incoming message.> >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> >Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3147 > >- Release Date: 09/20/10 02:35:00> >

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OH THANK YOU! You know, the more I learn, I look

back and just wonder....my stepbrother had

meningitis as a baby, before Dad married his mom

when he was still a cute little toddler. He had

some very strange emotional problems growing

up. He'd smear feces, that sort of thing, and

could be very hard to get close to. I wonder

now if he was damaged by the meningitis, and

whether the meningitis was a vaccine

reaction. He was really a challenge. He's the

only person I've ever known who had

meningitis. Well I think that depletes my stock

of family vaccine stories, but maybe not. Thanks for listening.

Christie

At 11:11 PM 9/20/2010, you wrote:

>

>

>It's the meningitis vaccine for babies. I

>believe a different one is given to college

>students. They began giving it when my oldest

>was a baby (1991). Now they give boosters, too.

>You know--it didn't work with one so let's give more??

>

>Winnie

>

> Re: Re: For the vaccine skeptic--info

> > to share

> > > Vaccinations

> > >

> > > > Well it was obvious. She was fine before the

> > > > vaccine, in bad shape afterwards. The doctor

> > > > didn't even mention the connection, and I did not

> > > > report it. Thanks for setting me straight. I

> > > > thought it was Hep B but wasn't sure. So long ago and they

> > > > sound similar.

> > > > Christie

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >No virus found in this incoming message.

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> > >- Release Date: 09/20/10 02:35:00

> >

> >

>

>

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