Re: Being pulled to the other side... Should I go ahead and vax?

[Guest guest]

What do you do if you have used or are using antibiotics while breastfeeding? I

got mastitsis(?) over last weekend, now knowing what I know it was more like a

week before I realized what it was. I went to the doctor's and he prescribe an

antibiotics. I didnt start them right away, because I wanted to try the cabbage

leaf approach. While it helped tremendously - I was still in a lot of pain and

the entire left side of my breast was red, hot to the touch and swollen. So out

of fear of getting an abess I started the antibiotics. I'm still on my probotics

because of my gluten allergy, but now I think I'm developing a yeast

infection...I havent had one in a long time, I dont know what to do.

now because I've taken the anti-botic what do I do for my 2month old son who's

nursing? Next time if I get mastitsis again what more do I do? ( he's a lazy

nurser & I'm now pumping periodically through the day to help prevent it. )

Carlena

Re: Being pulled to the other side... Should I go ahead

and vax?

Jen I would suggest she may have become autistic from the antibiotics, not the

so-called lyme.

I see this in the children I treat that have autism or borderline autism and

have NOT been vaccinated (and it is very few children compared to vaccinated).

They nearly all have a history of antibiotics while in utero, during

labor/delivery, or post-delivery given directly to them or via mom's breastmilk.

I would suggest the antibotics are a serious cause.

Sheri

listowner

>

> You have received excellent info and advice. Thought I'd give you a book

> recommendation " Keeping your child healthy in spite of your doctor " really

> helped me to understand the illnesses that these vaccines are supposedly

> protecting us against. It's almost a joke the obvious scare tactics used in

> the press!!

>

> I have been chronically ill my entire life. I was born in 1974 and that is

> before they really even ramped up the vaxes for kids..

[Guest guest]

No-no he didnt do a culture. I was pleasantly surprised when he encouraged the

cabbage leaf. He said if it developed into an abcess to beware that it could get

serious very quickly & out of hand. That's when he said I should take the

antibiotics. Which is what I did, he did take my blood and said my white count

was really high & he was concerned by that.

where do I get probotics for my baby?

I havent had an antibiotics in about 2yrs...If believe it was for a sinus

infection. The only time I had chronic antibiotics was 30yrs ago for chronic

ear infections as a baby/toddler. Then around 3 or 4yrs of age had my tonsils

removed due to the fact they were so swollen I couldnt hear. (long story)

Now my baby is proving to be sensitive to the Gluten '(when I cheated the 1st

couple of weeks & when its been cross contaminated) but also every time I have a

cow/dairy product he reacts too. so I've removed it from my diet.

Carlena

Re: Being pulled to the other side... Should I go ahead

and vax?

I would definitely keep taking the probiotics and also give my baby probiotics.

The baby should get one with lactobacillus and bifidobacterium. I don't have all

my info handy right now on treating mastitis or thrush, but I think there's a

history of posts in this group on this.

Have you had a history of long-term antibiotic use? Even many years ago? If so,

that may explain the yeast infections and gluten allergy. I would get to a

naturopathic doctor who knows how to treat this.

I had long-term antibiotics when I was a teen. Now at age 51 I'm at the tail end

of a 6 week systemic severe fungal infection, a final release (I hope) of the

extreme damage done from those antibiotics I took 30-35 years ago for 7 years

duration. It's a long story and I'm going to write it up when I have the time,

but just want to say that antibiotics should only be used for serious events

where you know there is really a bacterial infection. Mastitis is inflammation

and not necessarily caused by bacteria. Did the doctor do a culture? It's

possible the inflammation is caused by yeast or fungus and antibiotics will make

this worse or recurring.

Jane

Healthy Child

http://www.healthychild.com

> >

> > You have received excellent info and advice. Thought I'd give you a book

> > recommendation " Keeping your child healthy in spite of your doctor " really

> > helped me to understand the illnesses that these vaccines are supposedly

> > protecting us against. It's almost a joke the obvious scare tactics used in

> > the press!!

> >

> > I have been chronically ill my entire life. I was born in 1974 and that is

> > before they really even ramped up the vaxes for kids..

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, antibiotics play a huge roll. Are you familiar with Dr. Natasha -McBride. She is a Russian neurologist with a post doctorate in nutrition, practicing in UK. She really understands how neurology is affected by the GI tract. Her book "Gut and Psychology Syndrome" explains the gut-autism connection so clearly. Her son, when small, was diagnosed as unteachable and is now a teen; fully recovered, through nutrition. If you haven't read it, get a copy - it's invaluable. Vaccinations From: vaccinedangers@...Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 07:51:30 +0000Subject: Re: Being pulled to the other side... Should I go ahead and vax?

Jen I would suggest she may have become autistic from the antibiotics, not the so-called lyme.

I see this in the children I treat that have autism or borderline autism and have NOT been vaccinated (and it is very few children compared to vaccinated). They nearly all have a history of antibiotics while in utero, during labor/delivery, or post-delivery given directly to them or via mom's breastmilk.

I would suggest the antibotics are a serious cause.

Sheri

listowner

>

> You have received excellent info and advice. Thought I'd give you a book

> recommendation "Keeping your child healthy in spite of your doctor" really

> helped me to understand the illnesses that these vaccines are supposedly

> protecting us against. It's almost a joke the obvious scare tactics used in

> the press!!

>

> I have been chronically ill my entire life. I was born in 1974 and that is

> before they really even ramped up the vaxes for kids.. allergies, asthma,

> eczema and then I was infected with Lyme Disease. I was misdiagnosed but

> still functional and then I got the hep B vaccine for a job. I got so sick

> that month and then 2 hours after the first month booster I started to

> collapse. The nurses at my job couldn't not measure ANY blood pressure on me

> and if I stopped walking, I would start to pass out (walking pushes blood

> through the veins). The ER doc laughed at me. A few days later I was unable

> to get out of bed and stayed that way for more than 5 years totally crippled

> until I got treatment. But I'm still disabled with a ruined immune system. I

> probably will never be free from traditional toxic meds. It's in my brain

> and every part of my body.

>

> Before our daughter was born, we knew there would be NO vaccines for my

> daughter. She never left our sight in the hospital after my completely

> natural birth. But I gave Lyme to my daughter. I took preventative

> antibiotics during pregnancy but unlike all these other moms who had healthy

> kids despite their Lyme, my daughter contracted the Lyme from me. The tests

> didn't tip us off early on (so inaccurate) but she wasn't 'right' as a baby

> and then was losing language and having meltdowns over nothing. At 2 she got

> the high fever for a week unlike she had ever had and then sudden swelling..

> ER gave her IV rocephin and then antibiotic shots for two days by

> pediatrician after and she was perfect again! We knew she had it. But it was

> too late.. she was autistic from it. This is a little known cause of Autism.

> She is now 5 and still treating but now you'd never guess she had Autism at

> all unless I told you she was. Eventually she won't need the antibiotics

> anymore.

>

> I've tested high in heavy metals. These come from vaccines and are passed in

> utero. I'm sure this didn't help. (She will be getting biomedical

> alternative help in August finally have the $ for it. Chelation therapy will

> be part of it.)

>

> My daughter NEVER catches the flus, viruses and didn't even catch the

> chicken pox from her minibus even though EVERY KID on the bus got it... even

> the bus driver got the shingles (same virus). I was hoping she would get it

> but maybe she got immunity from the exposure. My daughter has been in

> 'school' since she was 2. Exposed to EVERYTHING. You should see these

> autistic kids.. excema, nose running all the time, always sick... I get

> notes about something "going around" all the time. I don't worry because she

> never ever gets it. She is obviously not going to get bacterial stuff due to

> her antibiotics (eg ear infections) so I can't testify to that, but this kid

> never gets anything else!!! Almost everyone in her class will be out and

> she'll be in. Perfect attendance this year and last year too I think. If she

> misses it's due to something we have to do that day... I can't remember when

> she's had a cold but I do remember she has had one at least. I think it

> lasted a couple of days with homeopathic and immune support. It barely

> bothered her. Then I'd get it and be in the ER unable to breathe due to the

> same virus that she shrugged off???

>

> My daughter would not have recovered so quickly from her Lyme induced autism

> if she had been vaxed I'm sure. But I'm sure she wouldn't have gotten it in

> the first place had I not been vaccine injured.

>

> God bless,

> Jen H

>

> ***The Will Of God Will Never Take You ...

> Where the Grace Of God Will Not Protect You***

>

[Guest guest]

I am sure that the antibiotic that my son received in the NICU, followed by the

10 antibiotics he was on between 6 and 13 months for ear infections caused a

majority of his problems. He regressed after his 18 month vaccines which I

think pushed him over the edge.

He had horrible gut problems. After the Specific Charobhydrate Diet for 13

months and a ton of herbs, probiotics, anti-yeast, etc his gut was better and

along with that HE started to come back!

He has not been on an antibiotic since he was 15 months old and I plan to keep

it that way if possible!

andrea

> >

> > You have received excellent info and advice. Thought I'd give you a book

> > recommendation " Keeping your child healthy in spite of your doctor " really

> > helped me to understand the illnesses that these vaccines are supposedly

> > protecting us against. It's almost a joke the obvious scare tactics used in

> > the press!!

> >

> > I have been chronically ill my entire life. I was born in 1974 and that is

> > before they really even ramped up the vaxes for kids.. allergies, asthma,

> > eczema and then I was infected with Lyme Disease. I was misdiagnosed but

> > still functional and then I got the hep B vaccine for a job. I got so sick

> > that month and then 2 hours after the first month booster I started to

> > collapse. The nurses at my job couldn't not measure ANY blood pressure on me

> > and if I stopped walking, I would start to pass out (walking pushes blood

> > through the veins). The ER doc laughed at me. A few days later I was unable

> > to get out of bed and stayed that way for more than 5 years totally crippled

> > until I got treatment. But I'm still disabled with a ruined immune system. I

> > probably will never be free from traditional toxic meds. It's in my brain

> > and every part of my body.

> >

> > Before our daughter was born, we knew there would be NO vaccines for my

> > daughter. She never left our sight in the hospital after my completely

> > natural birth. But I gave Lyme to my daughter. I took preventative

> > antibiotics during pregnancy but unlike all these other moms who had healthy

> > kids despite their Lyme, my daughter contracted the Lyme from me. The tests

> > didn't tip us off early on (so inaccurate) but she wasn't 'right' as a baby

> > and then was losing language and having meltdowns over nothing. At 2 she got

> > the high fever for a week unlike she had ever had and then sudden swelling..

> > ER gave her IV rocephin and then antibiotic shots for two days by

> > pediatrician after and she was perfect again! We knew she had it. But it was

> > too late.. she was autistic from it. This is a little known cause of Autism.

> > She is now 5 and still treating but now you'd never guess she had Autism at

> > all unless I told you she was. Eventually she won't need the antibiotics

> > anymore.

> >

> > I've tested high in heavy metals. These come from vaccines and are passed in

> > utero. I'm sure this didn't help. (She will be getting biomedical

> > alternative help in August finally have the $ for it. Chelation therapy will

> > be part of it.)

> >

> > My daughter NEVER catches the flus, viruses and didn't even catch the

> > chicken pox from her minibus even though EVERY KID on the bus got it... even

> > the bus driver got the shingles (same virus). I was hoping she would get it

> > but maybe she got immunity from the exposure. My daughter has been in

> > 'school' since she was 2. Exposed to EVERYTHING. You should see these

> > autistic kids.. excema, nose running all the time, always sick... I get

> > notes about something " going around " all the time. I don't worry because she

> > never ever gets it. She is obviously not going to get bacterial stuff due to

> > her antibiotics (eg ear infections) so I can't testify to that, but this kid

> > never gets anything else!!! Almost everyone in her class will be out and

> > she'll be in. Perfect attendance this year and last year too I think. If she

> > misses it's due to something we have to do that day... I can't remember when

> > she's had a cold but I do remember she has had one at least. I think it

> > lasted a couple of days with homeopathic and immune support. It barely

> > bothered her. Then I'd get it and be in the ER unable to breathe due to the

> > same virus that she shrugged off???

> >

> > My daughter would not have recovered so quickly from her Lyme induced autism

> > if she had been vaxed I'm sure. But I'm sure she wouldn't have gotten it in

> > the first place had I not been vaccine injured.

> >

> > God bless,

> > Jen H

> >

> > ***The Will Of God Will Never Take You ...

> > Where the Grace Of God Will Not Protect You***

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Leah,

I think this interview is a very important one to listen to:

http://www.healthychild.com/vaccine-choices/leading-pediatrician-discusses-vacci\

nes-for-children/

If you don't have time to listen to the whole interview, then read the text on

that page. Specifically the part about Natural Immunity vs. Vaccine-Induced

Immunity.

I also want to address your fear about the possibility that your older

unvaccinated child may spread pertussis to your baby. There is so much fear

about this right now, especially in CA. But you need to realize that your child

could still be carrying the pertussis bacteria even if vaxxed against it.

Here's what Dr. Palevsky says:

" The fact is that vaccination does NOT stop you from carrying bacteria or

viruses in your nose, in your throat, in your intestines, in your airway, on

your skin, or in your body. But many do not understand the significance of this

fact, and have been made to believe that if you're vaccinated, you won't carry

viruses, and therefore, others will be protected because you're vaccinated. "

The best protection for young babies against pertussis is breastmilk, not the

vaccine. But nothing is 100%. Kids get sick for a lot of different reasons.

There is still a lot we simply don't know scientifically about how disease is

spread and who will get sick. I'm convinced that vaccine status has very little

to do with it. When my unvaccinated daughter was a baby she was exposed to

pertussis from a vaccinated child and she didn't get the disease. She's 15 now

and has never had any of the so-called vaccine preventable diseases, even after

being exposed to several. I believe she has natural immunity.

I made my decision not to vaccinate a long time ago - 15 years now. But I've

been following the vaccine controversy all this time, looking into all the

facts. I don't think there's a conspiracy going on, I just think that doctors

are taught to think a certain way and most don't look beyond that. No, they are

not stupid people. But it's so much easier for them to stay within the

guidelines and not question the standards set before them. I'm on a list of

medical doctor pediatricians, many of them are very pro-vaccine. Mostly I lurk

there, but I've come up with questions that they simply could not answer because

they don't know, they never checked into it. There is a belief in the value of

vaccines that is difficult to penetrate but when you really question the

assumptions that build this belief you realize that there is very little backing

it up.

Jane

Healthy Child

http://www.healthychild.com

> > > > >

> > > > > It's tough because there are two issues: safety and

> > > > effectiveness. First, keep in mind that no vaccine is guaranteed

> > > > to work (if you even believe they do at all, which I don't). So,

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I would definitely keep taking the probiotics and also give my baby probiotics.

The baby should get one with lactobacillus and bifidobacterium. I don't have all

my info handy right now on treating mastitis or thrush, but I think there's a

history of posts in this group on this.

Have you had a history of long-term antibiotic use? Even many years ago? If so,

that may explain the yeast infections and gluten allergy. I would get to a

naturopathic doctor who knows how to treat this.

I had long-term antibiotics when I was a teen. Now at age 51 I'm at the tail end

of a 6 week systemic severe fungal infection, a final release (I hope) of the

extreme damage done from those antibiotics I took 30-35 years ago for 7 years

duration. It's a long story and I'm going to write it up when I have the time,

but just want to say that antibiotics should only be used for serious events

where you know there is really a bacterial infection. Mastitis is inflammation

and not necessarily caused by bacteria. Did the doctor do a culture? It's

possible the inflammation is caused by yeast or fungus and antibiotics will make

this worse or recurring.

Jane

Healthy Child

http://www.healthychild.com

> >

> > You have received excellent info and advice. Thought I'd give you a book

> > recommendation " Keeping your child healthy in spite of your doctor " really

> > helped me to understand the illnesses that these vaccines are supposedly

> > protecting us against. It's almost a joke the obvious scare tactics used in

> > the press!!

> >

> > I have been chronically ill my entire life. I was born in 1974 and that is

> > before they really even ramped up the vaxes for kids..

>

[Guest guest]

The two resources that helped me the most were Neil Z 's book (which I

felt were loaded with stats and not super-biased) and Dr. Tenpenny's " Saying No

To Vaccines " - more biased. If my child stepped on a rusty nail, I wouldn't get

a tetanus vax. They don't work after the fact. And tetanus is INCREDIBLY rare.

That's just one example.

My biggest reason not to vax is that I am vaccine injured myself. I would give

ANYTHING to take back those shots and not have the disease that I have from it.

It is unbearable to me to even think about subjecting my child to the

possibility of an acquired vaccine injury.

But thankfully, it opened my eyes to the dangers so I know never to subject my

child to that.

If my child gets whooping cough, or measles, or meningitis, I will do everything

I can for him to fight through it. But if I got the vaccines - he could still

get those diseases, as they aren't 100% effective - and I would have put poison

into his body for nothing. We aren't meant by nature to get disease immunity

through unnatural means. Vaccines bypass the body's natural protective systems.

And you can see all over the news how new and more dangerous strains of whooping

cough and meningitis are showing up, because nature abhors a vacuum, and if we

vaccinate away something, nature will fill the void, and usually with something

worse and more mutated and harder to fight off.

Melinda C.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's tough because there are two issues: safety and

> > > > effectiveness. First, keep in mind that no vaccine is guaranteed

> > > > to work (if you even believe they do at all, which I don't). So,

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I would say if this is so,

then that is contributory to ’s autism.

There’s nothing you can do now after the fact. Avoid any

toxins as much as you can and support the immune system as much as you can. We got

rid of our plastic plates and use only glass to microwave things now, we got

rid of the aluminum pots and went to stainless steel. We use friendly cleaners.

Get on probiotics, open a capsule and dip your finger in and

give some to the baby and avoid the ABX. also had a febrile seizure at 13

months and we did do a round of ABX then too.

Nita,

mom to: katie 17, Jon 15, 13, 11, 9, Christian RIP,

4, Isaac 2 and one cooking due 3/11

If

you have melted chocolate on your hands, you're eating it too slowly!

_,_._,___

[Guest guest]

Since it's something he needs now, I would go to a quality health food store and

get probiotics with those strains made for babies. Randy Neustaedter recommends

in his book The Holistic Baby Guide Ther-Biotic Infant Formula by Klaire and

BifidoBiotics by Allergy Research Group. These might not be available from the

health food store, but you may be able to get them online.

Jane

Healthy Child

http://www.healthychild.com

> > >

> > > You have received excellent info and advice. Thought I'd give you a book

> > > recommendation " Keeping your child healthy in spite of your doctor " really

> > > helped me to understand the illnesses that these vaccines are supposedly

> > > protecting us against. It's almost a joke the obvious scare tactics used

in

> > > the press!!

> > >

> > > I have been chronically ill my entire life. I was born in 1974 and that is

> > > before they really even ramped up the vaxes for kids..

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I was in your shoes less than a year ago..yeast infections I got acidopholos tablets and inserted them vaginally (one every few days)..that took care of the yeast infection quick. Any breast problems I used mullein oil--great for the glandular system (the nursing pads worked great to keep this stuff on all day and also healthy for baby to consume. I wouldn't be crazy about breastfeeding while taking antibiotics..are they sure you can't just consume garlic (great natural antibiotic). There's other less pungent foods that have antibiotic qualities too.-K.Hancock, M.H. in training Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®From: "carlena" <summershart@...>Sender: Vaccinations Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 09:26:39 CDT<Vaccinations >Reply Vaccinations Subject: RE: Re: Being pulled to the other side... Should I go ahead and vax? What do you do if you have used or are using antibiotics while breastfeeding? I got mastitsis(?) over last weekend, now knowing what I know it was more like a week before I realized what it was. I went to the doctor's and he prescribe an antibiotics. I didnt start them right away, because I wanted to try the cabbage leaf approach. While it helped tremendously - I was still in a lot of pain and the entire left side of my breast was red, hot to the touch and swollen. So out of fear of getting an abess I started the antibiotics. I'm still on my probotics because of my gluten allergy, but now I think I'm developing a yeast infection...I havent had one in a long time, I dont know what to do. now because I've taken the anti-botic what do I do for my 2month old son who's nursing? Next time if I get mastitsis again what more do I do? ( he's a lazy nurser & I'm now pumping periodically through the day to help prevent it. )Carlena Re: Being pulled to the other side... Should I go ahead and vax?Jen I would suggest she may have become autistic from the antibiotics, not the so-called lyme.I see this in the children I treat that have autism or borderline autism and have NOT been vaccinated (and it is very few children compared to vaccinated). They nearly all have a history of antibiotics while in utero, during labor/delivery, or post-delivery given directly to them or via mom's breastmilk.I would suggest the antibotics are a serious cause.Sherilistowner>> You have received excellent info and advice. Thought I'd give you a book> recommendation " Keeping your child healthy in spite of your doctor " really> helped me to understand the illnesses that these vaccines are supposedly> protecting us against. It's almost a joke the obvious scare tactics used in> the press!!> > I have been chronically ill my entire life. I was born in 1974 and that is> before they really even ramped up the vaxes for kids..

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Sorry, for jumping in.

I wanted to add that I agree with what you said about it might not be bacterial.

When I was breast feeding I had terrible pain. Mainly in my left breast. I went

to the ER and saw a very ignorant doctor. I had to beg and plead for him to put

me on an anti-fungal. He wanted to put me on an antibiotic. I explained that I

had also had nail fungus, vaginosis and dysbiosis and to please give me a

antifungal. He told me that yeast doesn't hurt!! Can you believe that!! He

finally gave in and gave me an insufficient dose of diflucan. I felt better but

then on Sunday I ran out. I went back to the ER. The nurse came out and said

that the doc will not fill my request for more diflucan because he knew it was

bacterial. She said he went against his better judgement and gave me diflucan!

He will not give me anymore!! I was starting to get the severe pain back. What

he didnt realize was that he gave me an insufficient dose. He thought that the

diflucan didnt work. It did it just wasn;t enough. I was desperate. I called a

few docs hoping that they would give me a prescript over the phone. I got lucky

and got one. He felt bad for me. It was a yeast infection in my breast not a

bacterial one. It is scary how little docs know about yeast infections...they

are making the yeast worse.

If this is a yeast infection in your breast one pill for a vaginal yeast

infection is not enough. I researched the dose for breast infection but I can't

remember what it was. Anyway,the doc who gave me the diflucan over the phone,

at the right dose, told me to breast feed when taking the diflucan so my

daughter would get some too. I was to scared to because I heard of the possible

side affects of diflucan. So, I didn't take his advice. I wish I had because

now I am dealing with my 3yr old and her yeast and dysbiosis.I feel really bad.

Maybe, you can get on diflucan with the antibiotics. It is important that you

clear the yeast and if you have a bacterial infection you clear that, too. You

don't want the baby to get the infection.

If I missed something, I am sorry, I am typing this while making dinner..:0)

I hope this email can help. YOu will get through this. I just needed to tell

you about my little one. When I had that problem nobody knew what to tell me.

Best wishes,

Correy

[Guest guest]

I've got that on hand. Hopefully I wont get it again, but if I do, I'll try that

or what Kate suggested.

Carlena

Re: RE: Re: Being pulled to the other side... Should I

go ahead and vax?

Homeopathics took care of my mastitis. I took Belladonna--not sure if that would

necessarily work for you, but it did for me. I remember how it hurt...

Winnie

Re: Being pulled to the other side...

> Should I go ahead and vax?

>

>

> Jen I would suggest she may have become autistic from the

> antibiotics, not the so-called lyme.

>

> I see this in the children I treat that have autism or

> borderline autism and have NOT been vaccinated (and it is very

> few children compared to vaccinated). They nearly all have a

> history of antibiotics while in utero, during labor/delivery, or

> post-delivery given directly to them or via mom's breastmilk.

>

> I would suggest the antibotics are a serious cause.

> Sheri

> listowner

>

> >

> > You have received excellent info and advice. Thought I'd give

> you a book

> > recommendation " Keeping your child healthy in spite of your

> doctor " really

> > helped me to understand the illnesses that these vaccines are

> supposedly> protecting us against. It's almost a joke the

> obvious scare tactics used in

> > the press!!

> >

> > I have been chronically ill my entire life. I was born in 1974

> and that is

> > before they really even ramped up the vaxes for kids..

>

>

[Guest guest]

Since I was already a

non-vaxxing parent I would still not have done.

And no, he did not get his autism from vaccines but I know a lot

of kids at his preschool that they did. My carpool buddy had been doing great

and she had all the kids with her and the doc was like ‘well I know it’s

a month early but since he’s (just barely) over his cold and you’re

here and I’m here and he’s here, why don’t we do next month’s

visit now”..mom’s stressed with all the kids there, says yes.

BAM. He’s got leaky gut issues too and is now GFCF too and is

improving and doing well but he’s not talking a lot either.

So she says yeah it was his shots but get this.. she still ‘believes’

in vaccines and thinks they’re good. If she were to have any more, she’d

do a modified schedule. Like that would be safe. <roll eyes>

I don’t think autism has just one cause but vaccines are

certainly contributory b/c as we all know, that ‘one size fits all’

doesn’t!

Nita,

mom to: katie 17, Jon 15, 13, 11, 9, Christian RIP,

4, Isaac 2 and one cooking due 3/11

If

you have melted chocolate on your hands, you're eating it too slowly!

[Guest guest]

Yeah we probably should. Im sorry.

Carlena

Re: Being pulled to the other side... Should I go ahead

and vax?

Carlena,

we can take this to the OT group if you want - if you are getting infections,

have a gluten intolerance and yeast issue, you could really use a gut-healing

diet to deal with these things (like GAPS or SCD)...

Melinda C.

>

> What do you do if you have used or are using antibiotics while breastfeeding?

I got mastitsis(?) over last weekend, now knowing what I know it was more like a

week before I realized what it was. I went to the doctor's and he prescribe an

antibiotics. I didnt start them right away, because I wanted to try the cabbage

leaf approach. While it helped tremendously - I was still in a lot of pain and

the entire left side of my breast was red, hot to the touch and swollen. So out

of fear of getting an abess I started the antibiotics. I'm still on my probotics

because of my gluten allergy, but now I think I'm developing a yeast

infection...I havent had one in a long time, I dont know what to do.

>

> now b

[Guest guest]

I read this story and it

really strikes me that she never gets sick…. In homeopathy, we’re

taught that this is a sign of some serious sickness. The body is busy fighting

that and to put it in easy to understand terms would say it’s too busy to

bother with the minor stuff. It’s got much more important work to do than

worry about a little cold yk?

I do worry about all those ABX. had some through

breastfeeding when he was 2 months old and then a shot of some at 13 mos old

and some advil. Now I only gave 1 dose of the stuff.. I can’t’

remember now, maybe I gave 2 doses..but it could have been enough to send him

over the edge.

We seem to have a genetic predisposition to autism in the family

too, just everyone but is asperger’s.

Nita,

mom to: katie 17, Jon 15, 13, 11, 9, Christian RIP,

4, Isaac 2 and one cooking due 3/11

If

you have melted chocolate on your hands, you're eating it too slowly!

[Guest guest]

Carlena,

we can take this to the OT group if you want - if you are getting infections,

have a gluten intolerance and yeast issue, you could really use a gut-healing

diet to deal with these things (like GAPS or SCD)...

Melinda C.

> >

> > You have received excellent info and advice. Thought I'd give you a book

> > recommendation " Keeping your child healthy in spite of your doctor " really

> > helped me to understand the illnesses that these vaccines are supposedly

> > protecting us against. It's almost a joke the obvious scare tactics used in

> > the press!!

> >

> > I have been chronically ill my entire life. I was born in 1974 and that is

> > before they really even ramped up the vaxes for kids..

>

[Guest guest]

Homeopathics took care of my mastitis. I took Belladonna--not sure if that would necessarily work for you, but it did for me. I remember how it hurt...

Winnie Re: Being pulled to the other side... > Should I go ahead and vax?> > > Jen I would suggest she may have become autistic from the > antibiotics, not the so-called lyme.> > I see this in the children I treat that have autism or > borderline autism and have NOT been vaccinated (and it is very > few children compared to vaccinated). They nearly all have a > history of antibiotics while in utero, during labor/delivery, or > post-delivery given directly to them or via mom's breastmilk.> > I would suggest the antibotics are a serious cause.> Sheri> listowner> > >> > You have received excellent info and advice. Thought I'd give > you a book> > recommendation "Keeping your child healthy in spite of your > doctor" really> > helped me to understand the illnesses that these vaccines are > supposedly> protecting us against. It's almost a joke the > obvious scare tactics used in> > the press!!> > > > I have been chronically ill my entire life. I was born in 1974 > and that is> > before they really even ramped up the vaxes for kids..> >

[Guest guest]

You should be scared. The side effects are very real, and many times irreversible. Listen to your gut. It is very smart. It knows the vaccines aren't even guaranteed to work.

If you do end up going to the appointment, ask the doctor if your child could die from any one of the shots. Do not settle for "oh, that's very rare." Ask if it could happen. Demand a yes or no answer. Then decide if you want to risk death for something you're not sure about.

Remember, not vaccinating is NOT the same thing as being automatically infected with every disease known to man. Your child may never be exposed. But the vaccine is immediate. The risks are then immediate. The side effects can come right away or weeks/months down the line. Maybe years (think cancer, although these days it is very common in babies--WHY??).

Be scared of the vaccines. Be scared of injecting poisons into your child. It's quite normal to feel that way. It's called common sense.

Winnie Re: Re: Being pulled to the other side... Should I go ahead and vax?Vaccinations > This scares me as My son is suppose to go for his shots on > tuesday and its> his 15 month ones. my heart keeps saying no dont. IM worried > period sbout> side effects.> > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Deborah wrote:> > >> >> > Venita,> > I noticed you wrote that your 5 year old has autism but he did > NOT get it> > from Vaccines ? I just wonder if people use that as reasoning > that autism> > happens in children - and vaccines are NOT the cause......> >> >> >> > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Venita Garner > wrote:>> >>> >>> >> Yep. I will never, ever, ever, ever miss ’s autism, > never. He> >> didn’t get it from vaccines but he’s still got it. I hate it. > It’s robbed me> >> of my child. It’s trapped him in his mind. He’s got the > verbal skills of a 7> >> month old. He’s going to be 5. If he ever is better… I’ll be > kissing the> >> lint from the toes of the gods.> >>> >>> >>> >> You want to vax.. fine. But I tell ya, clear and sound and > strong. You> >> BETTER know every risk you’re taking. Read every package > insert and know> >> what every ingredient is. If anything bad happens, you need > to be prepared.> >> Don’t vax out of fear. That is just dumb and stupid and using > your child as> >> a pawn. Vax because you’ve done your research and you truly > believe that it> >> is best. NOT because it’s a reaction out of **fear**.> >>> >>> >>> >> But when the bad happens, and it will b/c you’re changing dna > and changing> >> the body at a cellular level.. you need to be prepared for > the consequences> >> of ‘yes, doc. Give my child this poison’> >>> >>> >>> >> I don’t even use flea poison on my pets. Natural support will > help the> >> body heal itself. The body is truly amazing and given half a > chance and a> >> strong immune system, it can take the crap this world dishes > but not if it’s> >> sabotaged from within.> >>> >>> >>> >> Nita, mom to: katie 17, Jon 15, 13, 11, > 9, Christian> >> RIP, 4, Isaac 2 and one cooking due 3/11> >>> >> If you have melted chocolate on your hands, you're eating it > too slowly!> >>> >>> >>> >> My oldest is vaxed and was doing just fine until his DPT > vaccine at 15> >> months. Not a single solitary developmental thing written in > his baby book> >> after that. Not a single word spoken after that. (until he > was 3, then he> >> began to TRY to speak again) He is now 5, full blown > autistic, and my heart> >> breaks for him everyday. My 2 year old unvaxed, perfectly > healthy baby will> >> soon pass him up in language and social skills. Not worth the > risk, in my> >> opinion. All it got us is a life time of heartbreak. What > will happen to my> >> son when I die? Who will care for him? The state? A nursing > home? That makes> >> me feel really good. Pertussis he could have survived....it > would not have> >> been fun, but he could have survived it and gone on to live a > normal life.> >> Autism.....it's for life and it has ruined his life and ours.> >>> >>> >>> > > >> > > > -- > Hall>

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(http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/2010/10_0-6yrs-schedule-pr.pdf)

Hep. B, DTaP (that's three), Hib, PCV, IPV (polio), flu, MMR (BAD NEWS), Varicella (chicken pox), and Hep A. This is, if they didn't get them recently or if the doc gives them at 18 months.

As a point of reference, when my oldest son was 15 months they only gave the MMR. Hib was given once at 12 months, the fourth DTaP and polio were given at 18 months--the rest didn't exist for babies. How did he ever survive without them? How did my others who never had any shots at 15 months ever survive? They are not required for survival, even if they did work (which they don't).

Winnie Re: Re: Being pulled to the other side... Should I go ahead and vax?Vaccinations > what vaxs are they suppose to get at 15 months? I would like to > researchsomemore> > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Chollick > wrote:> >> >> > I watched my child retreat into autism and lose all his > language 2 days> > after 7 vaccines. For my son vaccines were the problem. I > saw it with my> > own eyes. There are a lot of environmental causes and its not > just the> > vaccines. But thousands of kids were vaccine injured.> >> > *"The person who says it cannot be done*> > * should not interrupt the person doing it"*> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Yep. I will never, ever, ever, ever miss ’s autism, > never. He didn’t> > get it from vaccines but he’s still got it. I hate it. It’s > robbed me of my> > child. It’s trapped him in his mind. He’s got the verbal > skills of a 7 month> > old. He’s going to be 5. If he ever is better… I’ll be kissing > the lint from> > the toes of the gods.> >> >> >> > You want to vax.. fine. But I tell ya, clear and sound and > strong. You> > BETTER know every risk you’re taking. Read every package > insert and know> > what every ingredient is. If anything bad happens, you need to > be prepared.> > Don’t vax out of fear. That is just dumb and stupid and using > your child as> > a pawn. Vax because you’ve done your research and you truly > believe that it> > is best. NOT because it’s a reaction out of **fear**.> >> >> >> > But when the bad happens, and it will b/c you’re changing dna > and changing> > the body at a cellular level.. you need to be prepared for the > consequences> of ‘yes, doc. Give my child this poison’> >> >> >> > I don’t even use flea poison on my pets. Natural support will > help the body> > heal itself. The body is truly amazing and given half a chance > and a strong> > immune system, it can take the crap this world dishes but not > if it’s> > sabotaged from within.> >> >> >> > Nita, mom to: katie 17, Jon 15, 13, 11, > 9, Christian> > RIP, 4, Isaac 2 and one cooking due 3/11> >> > If you have melted chocolate on your hands, you're eating it > too slowly!> >> >> >> > My oldest is vaxed and was doing just fine until his DPT > vaccine at 15> > months. Not a single solitary developmental thing written in > his baby book> > after that. Not a single word spoken after that. (until he was > 3, then he> > began to TRY to speak again) He is now 5, full blown autistic, > and my heart> > breaks for him everyday. My 2 year old unvaxed, perfectly > healthy baby will> > soon pass him up in language and social skills. Not worth the > risk, in my> > opinion. All it got us is a life time of heartbreak. What will > happen to my> > son when I die? Who will care for him? The state? A nursing > home? That makes> > me feel really good. Pertussis he could have survived.... it > would not have> > been fun, but he could have survived it and gone on to live a > normal life.> > Autism.....it's for life and it has ruined his life and ours.> >> >> >> > > >> > > > -- > Hall>

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I don't think the "anti-vax" side uses fear. I think they point out their experiences which happen to be something to fear. The pro-vax side has to use fear (and the threat of not allowing your child into school) or people would never fall for injecting toxins as a healthy act.

As for the medical people not being stupid, well, that depends on your definition of stupid. Book smart does not equate to common sense. There are plenty on non-medical people who are equally book smart but just didn't choose to direct it towards a profession in medicine. How smart is it to turn a blind eye when your patient has a vaccine reaction? It happens all the time. No, I think a lot of doctors are pretty stupid, sad to say.

And parents don't vaccinate because of their doctor's prestige. They vaccinate because they are told they have to for school or because they think that's what good parents do.

I disagree that "anti-vax" people have all those fears you listed. I certainly didn't fear toxins but the reaction my son had to his MMR. I didn't think about toxins at all. I thought vaccines were pure and worked, and that reactions just happened. I don't fear the manufacturers making profits. It's just a fact.

I have to say you are more anti-vax than I ever was at your stage. I was as pro-vax as they get. I vaccinated my children. I did it until I realized how harmful they were. It was years before I also realized they don't even work.

I'm not sure why your decision is hinging on the CDC's guidelines regarding vaccine injury. How will you determine if they are over or underplaying vaccine injuries anyway?

Yes, it is possible for our bodies to process toxins but adequately? I'm not so sure about that, or that babies can process them well at all, especially when these toxins are injected. Most toxins in our environment are NOT injected. The combination of our toxic world plus the vaccines, well, I think it's more than most children can stand--hence the very sad state of physical and mental health of so many of them.

There's not one source that can best convince you of anything. You need to research it all. I've been doing it for 17 years and am still learning. Vaccines are a very complex issue.

Winnie

Re: Being pulled to the other side... Should I go ahead and vax?Vaccinations > Thank you all for your thoughts on this. I wish it were so > simple as to say that I shouldn't be pressured to vaccinate out > of fear. Truth is, I have read a lot about vaccines from various > sources, both for and against. The general conclusion I have > come to about the two sides of the issue is that BOTH sides use > fear tactics and BOTH sides claim to know best and have the > "real facts." > > The mainstream pro-vax side is supported by the majority of > medical doctors in our country. These are not stupid people. > They got through med school. They claim to have science on their > side. They certainly have prestige on their side, which is > apparently worth a lot to most of the people in our country, > because otherwise why would they be vaxing their children?> > The alternative vax (or anti-vax) side is an eclectic mix of > people, many of whom tout conspiracy theory as their main > argument for why not to vax. This side fears the toxins of > vaccines more than the diseases; fears the government, CDC, and > FDA for creating a false sense of security; fears the vaccine > manufacturers for being profit-driven rather than health-care > driven; and fears that the possibility of vaccine injury far > outweighs any potential benefits of the vaccines. Some of you > who responded to my post even said that you thought the vaccines > were absolutely not effective at all. And, if you believe this, > then obviously the risk of vaccine injury outweighs any benefits > from the vaccine.> > The reason I am on the fence about this is that I have never > been anti-vax. I chose not to vax because I wasn't convinced > that it was safe or effective for my child given our situation > at the time. But, I imagine if there was a polio outbreak, I > might be seriously considering whether the polio vax would be > worthwhile. If my child stepped on a rusty nail, would I then go > ahead and have the docs give her a tetanus shot? Me: Yes, > probably. If so, then wouldn't it have been better to give her > that shot preemptively?> > This discussion has helped me to see that my real question right > now is what are the CDC's guidelines on what qualifies as > vaccine injury, especially the reporting time period from the > date of vaccination? If the CDC is significantly downplaying the > risk of the vaccine and the true risk outweighs the vaccine's > benefits, then there is no reason to vax. (It follows that I > personally DO believe that vaccines may have benefits and that I > also believe that our bodies are capable of processing toxins in > our environment quite adequately most of the time.)> > I am saddened hearing about the injuries that have resulted from > vaccines. It is an injustice to families who have had to suffer > this kind of devastation --and to do so without support from > their doctors or government. I am equally saddened to hear about > the children who have suffered serious bouts of disease, some of > whom have died as a result. I currently live in the midst of a > community highly populated by medical doctors and nurses through > the world-renowned UNC and Duke hospitals, so I have friends now > who are nurses and doctors or whom are married to doctors. I > hear their stories of what it's like in the pediatric ward of a > hospital and it makes the risk of the diseases just as real to > me as the risks of getting vaccinated and being injured from it.> > I can argue both sides to this issue. I can do it up and down > and around. Driving myself crazy with it. I guess the question I > will end with is what would you say is the #1 best thing I > should read (or DVD I should see) to convince me that vaccines > are not safe or are not effective? What convinced you?> > Leah> > > p.s. please note that I trimmed your posts below to reflect the > points you made that stood out to me the most.> > > > > > > >> > > > > It's tough because there are two issues: safety and > > > > effectiveness. First, keep in mind that no vaccine is > guaranteed > > > > to work (if you even believe they do at all, which I > don't). So, > >> > >

[Guest guest]

Wow!!! It was very interesting. Thank you for posting this.

Carlena

Re: Being pulled to the other side... Should I go ahead

and vax?

Jane, Thank you for the recommendation. I read it. Will try to watch the

interview too!

Leah

>

> Leah,

>

> I think this interview is a very important one to listen to:

http://www.healthychild.com/vaccine-choices/leading-pediatrician-discusses-vacci\

nes-for-children/

>

[Guest guest]

Jane, Thank you for the recommendation. I read it. Will try to watch the

interview too!

Leah

>

> Leah,

>

> I think this interview is a very important one to listen to:

http://www.healthychild.com/vaccine-choices/leading-pediatrician-discusses-vacci\

nes-for-children/

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Leah,

I too have struggled with the decision of whether or not to vaccinate. I

have a masters degree in public policy/international health from UNC-Chapel

Hill. Part of my degree included taking several MPH courses. I then did work

for WHO on the Safe Motherhood program, and because I worked in Africa and

Asia, I have probably had almost every vaccination known to man (except the

newer ones). Throughout my training and coursework, of course, the

professors always touted the benefits of vaccination. Yet I had experienced

some sensitivities after several of my vaccinations (no long-term problems

though), so I was a little cautious when my first daughter was born. She is

fully vaccinated, but I spread out the shots and delayed many of them until

I was pressured to give them to her right before her entry into

kindergarten. My second daughter has been vaccinated up until the shots that

they wanted to give her before kindergarten. By then I was having a negative

emotional response to vaccinations, but the topic felt overwhelming to me

and I felt confused by the plethora of data from people on both sides of the

issue. Then I had my third daughter and I felt strong inner guidance to

*not* vaccinate her. She had a few of her early shots (up until three

months, I think), but I found myself fighting the pediatrician more and

more. I was told many times that I was an irresponsible mother and that I

was endangering my child. There was intense fear-mongering from the

pediatrician and yet I felt confident in my decision, so I changed

pediatricians. In the meantime, my husband - who is/was a strong supporter

of vaccination and a very rational, fact-based thinker - needed more than my

emotional intuition to justify our not getting any further vaccinations for

our kids. The book that has most helped me and my husband make our decision

*not* to vaccinate is: Vaccine Safety Manual for Concerned Families and

Health Practitioners: Guide to Immunization Risks and Protection by Neil Z.

. Here's the Amazon link:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=1881217353/wellwithinA/

It is a fact-based guide to each disease and its risks;

the vaccination for each disease and its risks and efficacy; and even

includes information about vaccinations for international travel. It is a

very dense review of the literature, with reviews of many, many research

studies (over 1300 studies are reviewed, if I remember correctly). Good luck

with your decision.

Lori Nicholson

[Guest guest]

Lori,

Thank you for your very thoughtful post. I have not read this book yet, but will

get it. There have been a few people who have recommended it to me.

Leah

>

> Hi Leah,

>

>

>

> I too have struggled with the decision of whether or not to vaccinate. I

> have a masters degree in public policy/international health from UNC-Chapel

> Hill. Part of my degree included taking several MPH courses. I then did work

> for WHO on the Safe Motherhood program, and because I worked in Africa and

> Asia, I have probably had almost every vaccination known to man (except the

> newer ones). Throughout my training and coursework, of course, the

> professors always touted the benefits of vaccination. Yet I had experienced

> some sensitivities after several of my vaccinations (no long-term problems

> though), so I was a little cautious when my first daughter was born. She is

> fully vaccinated, but I spread out the shots and delayed many of them until

> I was pressured to give them to her right before her entry into

> kindergarten. My second daughter has been vaccinated up until the shots that

> they wanted to give her before kindergarten. By then I was having a negative

> emotional response to vaccinations, but the topic felt overwhelming to me

> and I felt confused by the plethora of data from people on both sides of the

> issue. Then I had my third daughter and I felt strong inner guidance to

> *not* vaccinate her. She had a few of her early shots (up until three

> months, I think), but I found myself fighting the pediatrician more and

> more. I was told many times that I was an irresponsible mother and that I

> was endangering my child. There was intense fear-mongering from the

> pediatrician and yet I felt confident in my decision, so I changed

> pediatricians. In the meantime, my husband - who is/was a strong supporter

> of vaccination and a very rational, fact-based thinker - needed more than my

> emotional intuition to justify our not getting any further vaccinations for

> our kids. The book that has most helped me and my husband make our decision

> *not* to vaccinate is: Vaccine Safety Manual for Concerned Families and

> Health Practitioners: Guide to Immunization Risks and Protection by Neil Z.

> . Here's the Amazon link:

> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=1881217353/wellwithinA/

>

> It is a fact-based guide to each disease and its risks;

> the vaccination for each disease and its risks and efficacy; and even

> includes information about vaccinations for international travel. It is a

> very dense review of the literature, with reviews of many, many research

> studies (over 1300 studies are reviewed, if I remember correctly). Good luck

> with your decision.

>

>

>

> Lori Nicholson

>