Re: Being pulled to the other side... Should I go ahead and vax?

July 29, 2010

Hi

I am not sure if this may help you to decide

http://vactruth.com/2010/07/23/fact-vaccines-have-never-eradicated-anything-ever/

I hope so

From: Leah <leahmonahan2006@...>Subject: Being pulled to the other side... Should I go ahead and vax?Vaccinations Date: Thursday, 29 July, 2010, 21:04

Kid #1, I chose not to vax. She was not in childcare and I stayed home with her and breastfed her for 2 yrs. I made her organic baby food and treated her with homeopathic remedies if she became ill.Kid #2 comes along and now Kid #1 is in preschool. I filed religious exemption for vaxes (because I'm in NC and they don't allow philosophical exemption), but am now really questioning my decision. Can we say the fear mongering is working? I am fearful that my toddler is going to bring home Pertussis to my baby who is going to be hospitalized for it and live through a horrible disease (or maybe die) and all because I didn't vax. I fear that if I don't do the DTaP, RV, and Pc vaxes, I am putting my baby at risk for potentially severe diseases when the risk profile of these vaxes shows that the risk of injury from the vaxes is less than the risk of getting the disease (cite: Dr. Sears' book).But, I also question the accuracy of what

is considered vaccine injury. If the CDC and FDA have a narrow definition of what is considered vaccine injury and they have no way of accounting for long-term damage from vaccines, then how can I possibly assess the risk vs. benefits?And, how safe is it to give any baby a vaccine during the first two years of life, when their brains are doing the most growth?I have so many questions and no answers. I am frustrated. I had an appointment today to get both kids vaxed and then canceled it. Husband won't read anything about vaxes, so the decision is falling on me and it is a heavy weight to carry wondering if I am doing more damage by vaxing or more damage by not vaxing.I hate being on the fence about this. Help!Leah

July 29, 2010

It's tough because there are two issues: safety and effectiveness. First, keep in mind that no vaccine is guaranteed to work (if you even believe they do at all, which I don't). So, unless your child is truly protected by a vaccine, the biggest and most immediate risk is the vaccine itself.

Second, every vaccine carries the risk of serious side effects, including death. If you are trying to keep your child from being harmed, it doesn't make sense to deliberately inflict something on them known to be harmful in the hopes it won't be AND that it will protect them (which it won't).

Now about the fear of bringing home Pertussis. You admit the fearmongering is working. Then you know your fears are not based on fact but on emotion. That is not science, and it is not common sense (not being critical--just trying to spell it out). Redirect that fear to the vaccines, if in fact safety concerns are why you don't vaccinate.

You fear your children are at higher risk of diseases if you don't vaccinate. Believe me, they are at higher risk if you DO because their immune systems can get screwed up by vaccines. Plus, you may get the "bonus" of an allergic, asthmatic or autistic child (among many other conditions known to be caused by vaccines). When you have sat up night after week after month with a chronically ill child that YOU caused by vaccinating, then you will know real guilt. I speak from experience.

How safe is it to give a baby vaccines during the first two years of life? It's about the most unsafe time in their lives, and I think you know that. There is a reason you are torn. You know how you feel already. I don't think you're on the fence so much as being pressured to vaccinate by others, and you are allowing them to put you on that fence.

Focus. You are the mother. Ask yourself if it makes sense to pump toxins into your children in the hopes that will make them healthy. Ask yourself what you will do if your child is vaccine injured and the doctor abandons you by denying it. You can nurse your children through illnesses but not so easily vaccine injury. Reread whatever helped you in your decision before. Check out the NVIC site, Neil 's books, take Sheri's classes.

Your kids are still very young. You don't have the experience behind you to know if you are doing the right thing. It is very scary to be in that position. You won't be 100% sure no matter which way you choose, so just do what you think is right.

Winnie

Being pulled to the other side... Should I go ahead and vax?Vaccinations > Kid #1, I chose not to vax. She was not in childcare and I > stayed home with her and breastfed her for 2 yrs. I made her > organic baby food and treated her with homeopathic remedies if > she became ill.> > Kid #2 comes along and now Kid #1 is in preschool. I filed > religious exemption for vaxes (because I'm in NC and they don't > allow philosophical exemption), but am now really questioning my > decision. > > Can we say the fear mongering is working? I am fearful that my > toddler is going to bring home Pertussis to my baby who is going > to be hospitalized for it and live through a horrible disease > (or maybe die) and all because I didn't vax. I fear that if I > don't do the DTaP, RV, and Pc vaxes, I am putting my baby at > risk for potentially severe diseases when the risk profile of > these vaxes shows that the risk of injury from the vaxes is less > than the risk of getting the disease (cite: Dr. Sears' book).> > But, I also question the accuracy of what is considered vaccine > injury. If the CDC and FDA have a narrow definition of what is > considered vaccine injury and they have no way of accounting for > long-term damage from vaccines, then how can I possibly assess > the risk vs. benefits?> > And, how safe is it to give any baby a vaccine during the first > two years of life, when their brains are doing the most growth?> > I have so many questions and no answers. I am frustrated. I had > an appointment today to get both kids vaxed and then canceled > it. Husband won't read anything about vaxes, so the decision is > falling on me and it is a heavy weight to carry wondering if I > am doing more damage by vaxing or more damage by not vaxing.> > I hate being on the fence about this. Help!> > Leah> >

July 29, 2010

Winnie - this is so beautifully written! And so true as well - fear is the real

killer. And the only way to defeat fear is with education which is why we all

need to investigate before we vaccinate.

All the best,

Meryl

On 30/07/2010, at 6:40 AM, wharrison@... wrote:

>

> It's tough because there are two issues: safety and effectiveness. First, keep

in mind that no vaccine is guaranteed to work (if you even believe they do at

all, which I don't). So, unless your child is truly protected by a vaccine, the

biggest and most immediate risk is the vaccine itself.

>

> Second, every vaccine carries the risk of serious side effects, including

death. If you are trying to keep your child from being harmed, it doesn't make

sense to deliberately inflict something on them known to be harmful in the hopes

it won't be AND that it will protect them (which it won't).

>

> Now about the fear of bringing home Pertussis. You admit the fearmongering is

working. Then you know your fears are not based on fact but on emotion. That is

not science, and it is not common sense (not being critical--just trying to

spell it out). Redirect that fear to the vaccines, if in fact safety concerns

are why you don't vaccinate.

>

> You fear your children are at higher risk of diseases if you don't vaccinate.

Believe me, they are at higher risk if you DO because their immune systems can

get screwed up by vaccines. Plus, you may get the " bonus " of an allergic,

asthmatic or autistic child (among many other conditions known to be caused by

vaccines). When you have sat up night after week after month with a chronically

ill child that YOU caused by vaccinating, then you will know real guilt. I speak

from experience.

>

> How safe is it to give a baby vaccines during the first two years of life?

It's about the most unsafe time in their lives, and I think you know that. There

is a reason you are torn. You know how you feel already. I don't think you're on

the fence so much as being pressured to vaccinate by others, and you are

allowing them to put you on that fence.

>

> Focus. You are the mother. Ask yourself if it makes sense to pump toxins into

your children in the hopes that will make them healthy. Ask yourself what you

will do if your child is vaccine injured and the doctor abandons you by denying

it. You can nurse your children through illnesses but not so easily vaccine

injury. Reread whatever helped you in your decision before. Check out the NVIC

site, Neil 's books, take Sheri's classes.

>

> Your kids are still very young. You don't have the experience behind you to

know if you are doing the right thing. It is very scary to be in that position.

You won't be 100% sure no matter which way you choose, so just do what you think

is right.

>

> Winnie

>

July 29, 2010

I can tell you that no vax is

healthy. I have 3 totally unvaxxed kids and they are very healthy. When they’re

sick it’s not long.

Dr sears is pro-vax and if you read his book w/ a dose of

skepticism you can see where he contradicts himself. Vaccines are based on

faulty science, faulty logic and that comes out. You see it on the cdc site. You

see it on pro-vax books.

Vax. Don’t vax. Either one has risks. Everything we

do in life has risks. Leave your house. Don’t leave your house. Drive a

car. Walk down a sidewalk. Driving is one of the most dangerous activities there

is yet you don’t think twice about hopping in the car.

What are the risks of vaccines: the diseases you vaxxed for and

the crap in them

The risk of not vaxxing: just getting the disease.

What are the benefits:

Vax: NONE not vax: lifelong immunity, a stronger body

See, you’re falling for their lies. If you do vax, your

baby could STILL get any of the diseases and still die. Then they say ‘well

no vaccine is 100% effective”.. if you don’t vax and the kid dies

or gets sick they say ‘oh well you didn’t vax”… they

sell it like getting the vaccine is going to mean the kids just sails through

life. That’s a LIE. 100% vaccinated populations still get the disease

that they are vaxxed for.

But… the baby might not die. What if you vax and

everything looks great? You see that. Oh I vaxxed my kid and they’re OK. Yeah

but at what level? On the surface? Cellular level everything is all wrong. Vaccines

change the DNA. You’re going to mess with what is already perfect?

The baby was born pure and free and w/o toxins. At what load is

it OK/.. what is safe? When is too much? Nobody knows. Nobody can say. I know

several kids at preschool who were OK and got shots at the wrong time or too

many or..whatever. now they’re autistic.

There are fates worse than death.

That was a horribly scary sentence : I had app’t to get

both kids vaxxed. Man.. I tell ya, my stomach flipflopped and I about had a

heart attack.

Don’t let FEAR sell you on vaccines. Don’t buy. Learn

more. learn about the body. Learn about vaccines. Learn about childhood illness.

When you don’t fear the disease, you won’t buy the vaccine. Once in,

you can’t ever get it out.

We’re offering help and common sense and reason. I hope

you take it, since you asked. I hope you don’t give into panic and poison

your sweet babies. Keep learning.

And to the doctor when he says ‘but your baby will die’…

tell him yeah, he could die from the vaccine. Back off. is 9 and

wonderfully healthy. He’s never had a vaccine and he’s only seen a

doctor 3x in his whole life.

and Isaac have never had a vaccine either.

Nita,

mom to: katie 17, Jon 15, 13, 11, 9, Christian RIP,

4, Isaac 2 and one cooking due 3/11

If

you have melted chocolate on your hands, you're eating it too slowly!

July 29, 2010

My oldest is vaxed and was doing just fine until his DPT vaccine at 15 months.

Not a single solitary developmental thing written in his baby book after that.

Not a single word spoken after that. (until he was 3, then he began to TRY to

speak again) He is now 5, full blown autistic, and my heart breaks for him

everyday. My 2 year old unvaxed, perfectly healthy baby will soon pass him up in

language and social skills. Not worth the risk, in my opinion. All it got us is

a life time of heartbreak. What will happen to my son when I die? Who will care

for him? The state? A nursing home? That makes me feel really good. Pertussis he

could have survived....it would not have been fun, but he could have survived it

and gone on to live a normal life. Autism.....it's for life and it has ruined

his life and ours.

>

> Kid #1, I chose not to vax. She was not in childcare and I stayed home with

her and breastfed her for 2 yrs. I made her organic baby food and treated her

with homeopathic remedies if she became ill.

>

> Kid #2 comes along and now Kid #1 is in preschool. I filed religious exemption

for vaxes (because I'm in NC and they don't allow philosophical exemption), but

am now really questioning my decision.

>

> Can we say the fear mongering is working? I am fearful that my toddler is

going to bring home Pertussis to my baby who is going to be hospitalized for it

and live through a horrible disease (or maybe die) and all because I didn't vax.

I fear that if I don't do the DTaP, RV, and Pc vaxes, I am putting my baby at

risk for potentially severe diseases when the risk profile of these vaxes shows

that the risk of injury from the vaxes is less than the risk of getting the

disease (cite: Dr. Sears' book).

>

> But, I also question the accuracy of what is considered vaccine injury. If the

CDC and FDA have a narrow definition of what is considered vaccine injury and

they have no way of accounting for long-term damage from vaccines, then how can

I possibly assess the risk vs. benefits?

>

> And, how safe is it to give any baby a vaccine during the first two years of

life, when their brains are doing the most growth?

>

> I have so many questions and no answers. I am frustrated. I had an appointment

today to get both kids vaxed and then canceled it. Husband won't read anything

about vaxes, so the decision is falling on me and it is a heavy weight to carry

wondering if I am doing more damage by vaxing or more damage by not vaxing.

>

> I hate being on the fence about this. Help!

>

> Leah

>

July 30, 2010

Leah, I too am in nc i know its a real tuff choice i say go with your gut its never let me down before i have a 19 month old he had 3 rounds of shots at his third he ran a high fever for 3 days that was enough for me its a hard decision i know heidi...

From: kellymac92 <cs-mom@...>Vaccinations Sent: Thu, July 29, 2010 10:47:07 PMSubject: Re: Being pulled to the other side... Should I go ahead and vax?

My oldest is vaxed and was doing just fine until his DPT vaccine at 15 months. Not a single solitary developmental thing written in his baby book after that. Not a single word spoken after that. (until he was 3, then he began to TRY to speak again) He is now 5, full blown autistic, and my heart breaks for him everyday. My 2 year old unvaxed, perfectly healthy baby will soon pass him up in language and social skills. Not worth the risk, in my opinion. All it got us is a life time of heartbreak. What will happen to my son when I die? Who will care for him? The state? A nursing home? That makes me feel really good. Pertussis he could have survived....it would not have been fun, but he could have survived it and gone on to live a normal life. Autism.....it's for life and it has ruined his life and ours.>> Kid #1, I chose not to vax. She was not in childcare and I stayed home with her and breastfed her for 2 yrs. I made her organic baby food and treated her with homeopathic remedies if she became ill.> > Kid #2 comes along and now Kid #1 is in preschool. I filed religious exemption for vaxes (because I'm in NC and they don't allow philosophical exemption), but am now really questioning my decision. > > Can we say the fear mongering is working? I am fearful that my toddler is going to bring home Pertussis to my baby who is going to be hospitalized for it and live through a horrible disease (or maybe die) and all because I didn't vax. I fear that if I don't do the DTaP, RV, and Pc vaxes, I am putting my baby at risk for potentially severe diseases when the risk profile of these vaxes shows

that the risk of injury from the vaxes is less than the risk of getting the disease (cite: Dr. Sears' book).> > But, I also question the accuracy of what is considered vaccine injury. If the CDC and FDA have a narrow definition of what is considered vaccine injury and they have no way of accounting for long-term damage from vaccines, then how can I possibly assess the risk vs. benefits?> > And, how safe is it to give any baby a vaccine during the first two years of life, when their brains are doing the most growth?> > I have so many questions and no answers. I am frustrated. I had an appointment today to get both kids vaxed and then canceled it. Husband won't read anything about vaxes, so the decision is falling on me and it is a heavy weight to carry wondering if I am doing more damage by vaxing or more damage by not vaxing.> > I hate being on the fence about this. Help!> >

Leah>

July 30, 2010

Yep. I will never, ever,

ever, ever miss ’s autism, never. He didn’t get it from

vaccines but he’s still got it. I hate it. It’s robbed me of my

child. It’s trapped him in his mind. He’s got the verbal skills of

a 7 month old. He’s going to be 5. If he ever is better… I’ll

be kissing the lint from the toes of the gods.

You want to vax.. fine. But I tell ya, clear and sound and

strong. You BETTER know every risk you’re taking. Read every package

insert and know what every ingredient is. If anything bad happens, you need to

be prepared. Don’t vax out of fear. That is just dumb and stupid and

using your child as a pawn. Vax because you’ve done your research

and you truly believe that it is best. NOT because it’s a reaction out of

**fear**.

But when the bad happens, and it will b/c you’re changing

dna and changing the body at a cellular level.. you need to be prepared for the

consequences of ‘yes, doc. Give my child this poison’

I don’t even use flea poison on my pets. Natural support

will help the body heal itself. The body is truly amazing and given half a

chance and a strong immune system, it can take the crap this world dishes but

not if it’s sabotaged from within.

Nita,

mom to: katie 17, Jon 15, 13, 11, 9, Christian RIP,

4, Isaac 2 and one cooking due 3/11

If

you have melted chocolate on your hands, you're eating it too slowly!

My oldest is vaxed and was doing just fine

until his DPT vaccine at 15 months. Not a single solitary developmental thing

written in his baby book after that. Not a single word spoken after that.

(until he was 3, then he began to TRY to speak again) He is now 5, full blown

autistic, and my heart breaks for him everyday. My 2 year old unvaxed,

perfectly healthy baby will soon pass him up in language and social skills. Not

worth the risk, in my opinion. All it got us is a life time of heartbreak. What

will happen to my son when I die? Who will care for him? The state? A nursing

home? That makes me feel really good. Pertussis he could have survived....it

would not have been fun, but he could have survived it and gone on to live a

normal life. Autism.....it's for life and it has ruined his life and ours.

July 30, 2010

I'm sure others in this group can give way more insight but I feel like I need to share this. I am truly religiously against the vaccine process. My husband is completely the opposite. So out of respect I decided to start the vax schedule. Some doctors might refute this any way possible but my child stayed sick from literally 2-3 days after his 2month shots until I finally said no more right before it was time for his 6month shots (rsv, ear infections,colds,breathing problems etc). It was a nightmare. I tried to heal him mostly with home remedies (herbs/homeopathy) and continue to give him natural foods and also still nursing. Thank the good Lord he is now 10months and has been healthy and well for 3mo straight. My mothers intuition tells me that it has a lot to do with not vaxing anymore. My only advice is do what you feel is the best thing for your child. -K.Hancock, M.H. in trainingSent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®From: "Leah" <leahmonahan2006@...>Sender: Vaccinations Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:04:20 -0000<Vaccinations >Reply Vaccinations Subject: Being pulled to the other side... Should I go ahead and vax? Kid #1, I chose not to vax. She was not in childcare and I stayed home with her and breastfed her for 2 yrs. I made her organic baby food and treated her with homeopathic remedies if she became ill.Kid #2 comes along and now Kid #1 is in preschool. I filed religious exemption for vaxes (because I'm in NC and they don't allow philosophical exemption), but am now really questioning my decision. Can we say the fear mongering is working? I am fearful that my toddler is going to bring home Pertussis to my baby who is going to be hospitalized for it and live through a horrible disease (or maybe die) and all because I didn't vax. I fear that if I don't do the DTaP, RV, and Pc vaxes, I am putting my baby at risk for potentially severe diseases when the risk profile of these vaxes shows that the risk of injury from the vaxes is less than the risk of getting the disease (cite: Dr. Sears' book).But, I also question the accuracy of what is considered vaccine injury. If the CDC and FDA have a narrow definition of what is considered vaccine injury and they have no way of accounting for long-term damage from vaccines, then how can I possibly assess the risk vs. benefits?And, how safe is it to give any baby a vaccine during the first two years of life, when their brains are doing the most growth?I have so many questions and no answers. I am frustrated. I had an appointment today to get both kids vaxed and then canceled it. Husband won't read anything about vaxes, so the decision is falling on me and it is a heavy weight to carry wondering if I am doing more damage by vaxing or more damage by not vaxing.I hate being on the fence about this. Help!Leah

July 30, 2010

I agree with everything Winnie said, but want to underline one sentence

especially: " Ask yourself what you will do if your child is vaccine injured and

the doctor abandons you by denying it. "

I am a volunteer for 4 large autism organizations, as well as moderate a local

group for my area. I talk to dozens and dozens of parents every year who all

have almost the exact same story: child is vaccinated - child suffers advesrse

symptoms - child is diagnosed with serious disability - and the doctors shrug

their shoulders and mutter " coincidence " or " bad genes " . Then buh-BYE. Parents

are for the most part on their own. It is horrendous. And it happens everyday. I

have been witnessing this for over a decade. How many children could have been

saved by now if the truth was widely known?

All of these vaccine injured children exist. They are real people with real

families whose lives have been devestated. But you won't see ABC running

multi-million dollar commercials about them. You won't see a commercial of a

little boy banging his head into the wall because of the pain of post vaccine

inflammation causes him unimaginable pain. You won't see the little girl who at

10 years old has yet to have a bowel movement on the toilet because she has had

diarrhea everyday since her 15 month MMR. I know these kids. They have so much

courage and strength and the most beautiful souls. But they also have pain and

struggles, and they are never recognized by society for what they are going

through. The mainstream doctors have turned their backs on them because the

represent the absolute failure of their number one products.

Sylvia

>

> It's tough because there are two issues: safety and effectiveness. First, keep

in mind that no vaccine is guaranteed to work (if you even believe they do at

all, which I don't). So, unless your child is truly protected by a vaccine, the

biggest and most immediate risk is the vaccine itself.

>

> Second, every vaccine carries the risk of serious side effects, including

death. If you are trying to keep your child from being harmed, it doesn't make

sense to deliberately inflict something on them known to be harmful in the hopes

it won't be AND that it will protect them (which it won't).

>

> Now about the fear of bringing home Pertussis. You admit the fearmongering is

working. Then you know your fears are not based on fact but on emotion. That is

not science, and it is not common sense (not being critical--just trying to

spell it out). Redirect that fear to the vaccines, if in fact safety concerns

are why you don't vaccinate.

>

> You fear your children are at higher risk of diseases if you don't vaccinate.

Believe me, they are at higher risk if you DO because their immune systems can

get screwed up by vaccines. Plus, you may get the " bonus " of an allergic,

asthmatic or autistic child (among many other conditions known to be caused by

vaccines). When you have sat up night after week after month with a chronically

ill child that YOU caused by vaccinating, then you will know real guilt. I speak

from experience.

>

> How safe is it to give a baby vaccines during the first two years of life?

It's about the most unsafe time in their lives, and I think you know that. There

is a reason you are torn. You know how you feel already. I don't think you're on

the fence so much as being pressured to vaccinate by others, and you are

allowing them to put you on that fence.

>

> Focus. You are the mother. Ask yourself if it makes sense to pump toxins into

your children in the hopes that will make them healthy. Ask yourself what you

will do if your child is vaccine injured and the doctor abandons you by denying

it. You can nurse your children through illnesses but not so easily vaccine

injury. Reread whatever helped you in your decision before. Check out the NVIC

site, Neil 's books, take Sheri's classes.

>

> Your kids are still very young. You don't have the experience behind you to

know if you are doing the right thing. It is very scary to be in that position.

You won't be 100% sure no matter which way you choose, so just do what you think

is right.

>

> Winnie

>

> Being pulled to the other side... Should I go ahead

and vax?

> Vaccinations

>

> > Kid #1, I chose not to vax. She was not in childcare and I

> > stayed home with her and breastfed her for 2 yrs. I made her

> > organic baby food and treated her with homeopathic remedies if

> > she became ill.

> >

> > Kid #2 comes along and now Kid #1 is in preschool. I filed

> > religious exemption for vaxes (because I'm in NC and they don't

> > allow philosophical exemption), but am now really questioning my

> > decision.

> >

> > Can we say the fear mongering is working? I am fearful that my

> > toddler is going to bring home Pertussis to my baby who is going

> > to be hospitalized for it and live through a horrible disease

> > (or maybe die) and all because I didn't vax. I fear that if I

> > don't do the DTaP, RV, and Pc vaxes, I am putting my baby at

> > risk for potentially severe diseases when the risk profile of

> > these vaxes shows that the risk of injury from the vaxes is less

> > than the risk of getting the disease (cite: Dr. Sears' book).

> >

> > But, I also question the accuracy of what is considered vaccine

> > injury. If the CDC and FDA have a narrow definition of what is

> > considered vaccine injury and they have no way of accounting for

> > long-term damage from vaccines, then how can I possibly assess

> > the risk vs. benefits?

> >

> > And, how safe is it to give any baby a vaccine during the first

> > two years of life, when their brains are doing the most growth?

> >

> > I have so many questions and no answers. I am frustrated. I had

> > an appointment today to get both kids vaxed and then canceled

> > it. Husband won't read anything about vaxes, so the decision is

> > falling on me and it is a heavy weight to carry wondering if I

> > am doing more damage by vaxing or more damage by not vaxing.

> >

> > I hate being on the fence about this. Help!

> >

> > Leah

> >

>

July 30, 2010

And that's just (just!) autism. Less debilitating conditions are so common as to be considered "normal" for children. Those are blown off constantly as unrelated to vaccines. I know my child's was. But you would think something as blatantly obvious as thousands of families having the same experience with autism would wake up all the experts.

Winnie

Being pulled to the other side... > Should I go ahead and vax?> > Vaccinations > > > > > Kid #1, I chose not to vax. She was not in childcare and I > > > stayed home with her and breastfed her for 2 yrs. I made her > > > organic baby food and treated her with homeopathic remedies > if > > > she became ill.> > > > > > Kid #2 comes along and now Kid #1 is in preschool. I filed > > > religious exemption for vaxes (because I'm in NC and they > don't > > > allow philosophical exemption), but am now really > questioning my > > > decision. > > > > > > Can we say the fear mongering is working? I am fearful that > my > > > toddler is going to bring home Pertussis to my baby who is > going > > > to be hospitalized for it and live through a horrible > disease > > > (or maybe die) and all because I didn't vax. I fear that if > I > > > don't do the DTaP, RV, and Pc vaxes, I am putting my baby at > > > risk for potentially severe diseases when the risk profile > of > > > these vaxes shows that the risk of injury from the vaxes is > less > > > than the risk of getting the disease (cite: Dr. Sears' book).> > > > > > But, I also question the accuracy of what is considered > vaccine > > > injury. If the CDC and FDA have a narrow definition of what > is > > > considered vaccine injury and they have no way of accounting > for > > > long-term damage from vaccines, then how can I possibly > assess > > > the risk vs. benefits?> > > > > > And, how safe is it to give any baby a vaccine during the > first > > > two years of life, when their brains are doing the most growth?> > > > > > I have so many questions and no answers. I am frustrated. I > had > > > an appointment today to get both kids vaxed and then > canceled > > > it. Husband won't read anything about vaxes, so the decision > is > > > falling on me and it is a heavy weight to carry wondering if > I > > > am doing more damage by vaxing or more damage by not vaxing.> > > > > > I hate being on the fence about this. Help!> > > > > > Leah> > > > > >> >> > >

July 30, 2010

Yes, absolutely. The CDC's own figures are that 1 in 6 American children has a

learning disability. 1 in 6!!! That is crazy that society is not up in arms

about this. Speech delays, dyslexia, ADHD, OCD, the list goes on and on and on.

And diabetes and asthma is also on every block now. And food allergies? Peanut

butter and jelly sandwhiches didn't used to kill kids, but now a kid can sit

next to a kid in the school cafeteria, and just being next to peanut butter can

be fatal. (peanut oil has been used as vaccine adjuvants) It is crazy! We have

played God with the immune system, and it has back-fired BIG time. All of our

kids are in jeopordy, not jus the kids with obvious vaccine injuries. But

obvious, or more subltle, the mainstream will not recognize what they have done

to our babies. They are far too arrogant and there is far too much money

involved now.

Sylvia

> > >

> > > It's tough because there are two issues: safety and

> > effectiveness. First, keep in mind that no vaccine is guaranteed

> > to work (if you even believe they do at all, which I don't). So,

> > unless your child is truly protected by a vaccine, the biggest

> > and most immediate risk is the vaccine itself.

> > >

> > > Second, every vaccine carries the risk of serious side

> > effects, including death. If you are trying to keep your child

> > from being harmed, it doesn't make sense to deliberately inflict

> > something on them known to be harmful in the hopes it won't be

> > AND that it will protect them (which it won't).

> > >

> > > Now about the fear of bringing home Pertussis. You admit the

> > fearmongering is working. Then you know your fears are not based

> > on fact but on emotion. That is not science, and it is not

> > common sense (not being critical--just trying to spell it out).

> > Redirect that fear to the vaccines, if in fact safety concerns

> > are why you don't vaccinate.

> > >

> > > You fear your children are at higher risk of diseases if you

> > don't vaccinate. Believe me, they are at higher risk if you DO

> > because their immune systems can get screwed up by vaccines.

> > Plus, you may get the " bonus " of an allergic, asthmatic or

> > autistic child (among many other conditions known to be caused

> > by vaccines). When you have sat up night after week after month

> > with a chronically ill child that YOU caused by vaccinating,

> > then you will know real guilt. I speak from experience.

> > >

> > > How safe is it to give a baby vaccines during the first two

> > years of life? It's about the most unsafe time in their lives,

> > and I think you know that. There is a reason you are torn. You

> > know how you feel already. I don't think you're on the fence so

> > much as being pressured to vaccinate by others, and you are

> > allowing them to put you on that fence.

> > >

> > > Focus. You are the mother. Ask yourself if it makes sense to

> > pump toxins into your children in the hopes that will make them

> > healthy. Ask yourself what you will do if your child is vaccine

> > injured and the doctor abandons you by denying it. You can nurse

> > your children through illnesses but not so easily vaccine

> > injury. Reread whatever helped you in your decision before.

> > Check out the NVIC site, Neil 's books, take Sheri's

> > classes.

> > >

> > > Your kids are still very young. You don't have the experience

> > behind you to know if you are doing the right thing. It is very

> > scary to be in that position. You won't be 100% sure no matter

> > which way you choose, so just do what you think is right.

> > >

> > > Winnie

> > >

> > > Being pulled to the other side...

> > Should I go ahead and vax?

> > > Vaccinations

> > >

> > > > Kid #1, I chose not to vax. She was not in childcare and I

> > > > stayed home with her and breastfed her for 2 yrs. I made her

> > > > organic baby food and treated her with homeopathic remedies

> > if

> > > > she became ill.

> > > >

> > > > Kid #2 comes along and now Kid #1 is in preschool. I filed

> > > > religious exemption for vaxes (because I'm in NC and they

> > don't

> > > > allow philosophical exemption), but am now really

> > questioning my

> > > > decision.

> > > >

> > > > Can we say the fear mongering is working? I am fearful that

> > my

> > > > toddler is going to bring home Pertussis to my baby who is

> > going

> > > > to be hospitalized for it and live through a horrible

> > disease

> > > > (or maybe die) and all because I didn't vax. I fear that if

> > I

> > > > don't do the DTaP, RV, and Pc vaxes, I am putting my baby at

> > > > risk for potentially severe diseases when the risk profile

> > of

> > > > these vaxes shows that the risk of injury from the vaxes is

> > less

> > > > than the risk of getting the disease (cite: Dr. Sears' book).

> > > >

> > > > But, I also question the accuracy of what is considered

> > vaccine

> > > > injury. If the CDC and FDA have a narrow definition of what

> > is

> > > > considered vaccine injury and they have no way of accounting

> > for

> > > > long-term damage from vaccines, then how can I possibly

> > assess

> > > > the risk vs. benefits?

> > > >

> > > > And, how safe is it to give any baby a vaccine during the

> > first

> > > > two years of life, when their brains are doing the most growth?

> > > >

> > > > I have so many questions and no answers. I am frustrated. I

> > had

> > > > an appointment today to get both kids vaxed and then

> > canceled

> > > > it. Husband won't read anything about vaxes, so the decision

> > is

> > > > falling on me and it is a heavy weight to carry wondering if

> > I

> > > > am doing more damage by vaxing or more damage by not vaxing.

> > > >

> > > > I hate being on the fence about this. Help!

> > > >

> > > > Leah

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 30, 2010

Hi Sylvia

Have you read this http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/slideshow/slideshow/real-problems-autism-is-just-the-start.html you are so right in what you say.

From: Sylvia <sylviapimentel@...>Subject: Re: Being pulled to the other side... Should I go ahead and vax?Vaccinations Date: Friday, 30 July, 2010, 18:20

Yes, absolutely. The CDC's own figures are that 1 in 6 American children has a learning disability. 1 in 6!!! That is crazy that society is not up in arms about this. Speech delays, dyslexia, ADHD, OCD, the list goes on and on and on. And diabetes and asthma is also on every block now. And food allergies? Peanut butter and jelly sandwhiches didn't used to kill kids, but now a kid can sit next to a kid in the school cafeteria, and just being next to peanut butter can be fatal. (peanut oil has been used as vaccine adjuvants) It is crazy! We have played God with the immune system, and it has back-fired BIG time. All of our kids are in jeopordy, not jus the kids with obvious vaccine injuries. But obvious, or more subltle, the mainstream will not recognize what they have done to our babies. They are far too arrogant and there is far too much money involved now.Sylvia> > >> > > It's tough because there are two issues: safety and > > effectiveness. First, keep in mind that no vaccine is guaranteed > > to work (if you even believe they do at all, which I don't). So, > > unless your child is truly protected by a vaccine, the biggest > > and most immediate risk is the vaccine itself. > > > > > > Second, every vaccine carries the risk of serious side > > effects, including

death. If you are trying to keep your child > > from being harmed, it doesn't make sense to deliberately inflict > > something on them known to be harmful in the hopes it won't be > > AND that it will protect them (which it won't). > > > > > > Now about the fear of bringing home Pertussis. You admit the > > fearmongering is working. Then you know your fears are not based > > on fact but on emotion. That is not science, and it is not > > common sense (not being critical--just trying to spell it out). > > Redirect that fear to the vaccines, if in fact safety concerns > > are why you don't vaccinate.> > > > > > You fear your children are at higher risk of diseases if you > > don't vaccinate. Believe me, they are at higher risk if you DO > > because their immune systems can get screwed up by vaccines.

> > Plus, you may get the "bonus" of an allergic, asthmatic or > > autistic child (among many other conditions known to be caused > > by vaccines). When you have sat up night after week after month > > with a chronically ill child that YOU caused by vaccinating, > > then you will know real guilt. I speak from experience.> > > > > > How safe is it to give a baby vaccines during the first two > > years of life? It's about the most unsafe time in their lives, > > and I think you know that. There is a reason you are torn. You > > know how you feel already. I don't think you're on the fence so > > much as being pressured to vaccinate by others, and you are > > allowing them to put you on that fence.> > > > > > Focus. You are the mother. Ask yourself if it makes sense to > > pump toxins into your

children in the hopes that will make them > > healthy. Ask yourself what you will do if your child is vaccine > > injured and the doctor abandons you by denying it. You can nurse > > your children through illnesses but not so easily vaccine > > injury. Reread whatever helped you in your decision before. > > Check out the NVIC site, Neil 's books, take Sheri's > > classes. > > > > > > Your kids are still very young. You don't have the experience > > behind you to know if you are doing the right thing. It is very > > scary to be in that position. You won't be 100% sure no matter > > which way you choose, so just do what you think is right. > > > > > > Winnie> > > > > > Being pulled to the other side... > > Should I go ahead and vax?> > > Vaccinations > > > > > > > Kid #1, I chose not to vax. She was not in childcare and I > > > > stayed home with her and breastfed her for 2 yrs. I made her > > > > organic baby food and treated her with homeopathic remedies > > if > > > > she became ill.> > > > > > > > Kid #2 comes along and now Kid #1 is in preschool. I filed > > > > religious exemption for vaxes (because I'm in NC and they > > don't > > > > allow philosophical exemption), but am now really > >

questioning my > > > > decision. > > > > > > > > Can we say the fear mongering is working? I am fearful that > > my > > > > toddler is going to bring home Pertussis to my baby who is > > going > > > > to be hospitalized for it and live through a horrible > > disease > > > > (or maybe die) and all because I didn't vax. I fear that if > > I > > > > don't do the DTaP, RV, and Pc vaxes, I am putting my baby at > > > > risk for potentially severe diseases when the risk profile > > of > > > > these vaxes shows that the risk of injury from the vaxes is > > less > > > > than the risk of getting the disease (cite: Dr. Sears' book).> > > > > > > > But, I also question the accuracy of what is considered > >

vaccine > > > > injury. If the CDC and FDA have a narrow definition of what > > is > > > > considered vaccine injury and they have no way of accounting > > for > > > > long-term damage from vaccines, then how can I possibly > > assess > > > > the risk vs. benefits?> > > > > > > > And, how safe is it to give any baby a vaccine during the > > first > > > > two years of life, when their brains are doing the most growth?> > > > > > > > I have so many questions and no answers. I am frustrated. I > > had > > > > an appointment today to get both kids vaxed and then > > canceled > > > > it. Husband won't read anything about vaxes, so the decision > > is > > > > falling on me and it is a heavy weight to

carry wondering if > > I > > > > am doing more damage by vaxing or more damage by not vaxing.> > > > > > > > I hate being on the fence about this. Help!> > > > > > > > Leah> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > >>

July 30, 2010

Thank you all for your thoughts on this. I wish it were so simple as to say that

I shouldn't be pressured to vaccinate out of fear. Truth is, I have read a lot

about vaccines from various sources, both for and against. The general

conclusion I have come to about the two sides of the issue is that BOTH sides

use fear tactics and BOTH sides claim to know best and have the " real facts. "

The mainstream pro-vax side is supported by the majority of medical doctors in

our country. These are not stupid people. They got through med school. They

claim to have science on their side. They certainly have prestige on their side,

which is apparently worth a lot to most of the people in our country, because

otherwise why would they be vaxing their children?

The alternative vax (or anti-vax) side is an eclectic mix of people, many of

whom tout conspiracy theory as their main argument for why not to vax. This side

fears the toxins of vaccines more than the diseases; fears the government, CDC,

and FDA for creating a false sense of security; fears the vaccine manufacturers

for being profit-driven rather than health-care driven; and fears that the

possibility of vaccine injury far outweighs any potential benefits of the

vaccines. Some of you who responded to my post even said that you thought the

vaccines were absolutely not effective at all. And, if you believe this, then

obviously the risk of vaccine injury outweighs any benefits from the vaccine.

The reason I am on the fence about this is that I have never been anti-vax. I

chose not to vax because I wasn't convinced that it was safe or effective for my

child given our situation at the time. But, I imagine if there was a polio

outbreak, I might be seriously considering whether the polio vax would be

worthwhile. If my child stepped on a rusty nail, would I then go ahead and have

the docs give her a tetanus shot? Me: Yes, probably. If so, then wouldn't it

have been better to give her that shot preemptively?

This discussion has helped me to see that my real question right now is what are

the CDC's guidelines on what qualifies as vaccine injury, especially the

reporting time period from the date of vaccination? If the CDC is significantly

downplaying the risk of the vaccine and the true risk outweighs the vaccine's

benefits, then there is no reason to vax. (It follows that I personally DO

believe that vaccines may have benefits and that I also believe that our bodies

are capable of processing toxins in our environment quite adequately most of the

time.)

I am saddened hearing about the injuries that have resulted from vaccines. It is

an injustice to families who have had to suffer this kind of devastation --and

to do so without support from their doctors or government. I am equally saddened

to hear about the children who have suffered serious bouts of disease, some of

whom have died as a result. I currently live in the midst of a community highly

populated by medical doctors and nurses through the world-renowned UNC and Duke

hospitals, so I have friends now who are nurses and doctors or whom are married

to doctors. I hear their stories of what it's like in the pediatric ward of a

hospital and it makes the risk of the diseases just as real to me as the risks

of getting vaccinated and being injured from it.

I can argue both sides to this issue. I can do it up and down and around.

Driving myself crazy with it. I guess the question I will end with is what would

you say is the #1 best thing I should read (or DVD I should see) to convince me

that vaccines are not safe or are not effective? What convinced you?

Leah

p.s. please note that I trimmed your posts below to reflect the points you made

that stood out to me the most.

> > > >

> > > > It's tough because there are two issues: safety and

> > > effectiveness. First, keep in mind that no vaccine is guaranteed

> > > to work (if you even believe they do at all, which I don't). So,

>

July 30, 2010

Leah,

I first started questioning vaccines about 5 years ago, before I had children (we now have 2). No reason in particular started that search, but I just wanted to make sure my husband and I were making the best choice when the time came. I started my search with a trusted physician. I asked him what he did with his family regarding vaccines, and he said they didn't do any for their family. He told me about Dr. Sherri Tenpenny and I ordered some of her DVD's http://www.drtenpennystore.com/vaccine-products.html The 2 I got were Vaccines - What CDC Documents & Science Reveal and Vaccines: The Risks, Benefits and Choices. At this point, I was just looking for answers on both sides and got some pro-vaccine DVD's too. When I was watching the pro-vaccine DVDs, I really felt they were only giving half of the story. They were giving the scary statistics of how awful the diseases were, and minimized the side effects of the vaccines. I did watch Dr. Tenpenny's DVD's several times to digest all of the information. What I liked about them were that she was using documents from the CDC and MMWR to support why not to vacinate, facts were presented with research to back it all up.

It was a decision I really struggled with at first, knowing that there are risks on both side of the fence, but the more I learned, I am truly convinced that by not vaccinating our 2 boys, now 2 and 8 months, we have made the right decision for our family. I still am always looking at the latest articles on both sides of the argument, but have not been swayed to change our stance. My parents have given us a hard time about not vaccinating the boys, and telling us about the people they know/knew with polio, and giving us newspaper clippings on the "recent outbreaks."

I told them that we only want to do what is best for our family. I pray about it a lot and have not been convicted that we should do otherwise. And ultimately, God does not check our vaccination status as a prerequisite to get into heaven. Life is a blink of an eye, and yes, while these details of life are a big issue, in the grand scheme of life, we just know we do our best with our children. God knows the motive of our heart, and that's what matters.

Wishing you well on your search.

Vaccinations From: leahmonahan2006@...Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:49:52 +0000Subject: Re: Being pulled to the other side... Should I go ahead and vax?

Thank you all for your thoughts on this. I wish it were so simple as to say that I shouldn't be pressured to vaccinate out of fear. Truth is, I have read a lot about vaccines from various sources, both for and against. The general conclusion I have come to about the two sides of the issue is that BOTH sides use fear tactics and BOTH sides claim to know best and have the "real facts." The mainstream pro-vax side is supported by the majority of medical doctors in our country. These are not stupid people. They got through med school. They claim to have science on their side. They certainly have prestige on their side, which is apparently worth a lot to most of the people in our country, because otherwise why would they be vaxing their children?The alternative vax (or anti-vax) side is an eclectic mix of people, many of whom tout conspiracy theory as their main argument for why not to vax. This side fears the toxins of vaccines more than the diseases; fears the government, CDC, and FDA for creating a false sense of security; fears the vaccine manufacturers for being profit-driven rather than health-care driven; and fears that the possibility of vaccine injury far outweighs any potential benefits of the vaccines. Some of you who responded to my post even said that you thought the vaccines were absolutely not effective at all. And, if you believe this, then obviously the risk of vaccine injury outweighs any benefits from the vaccine.The reason I am on the fence about this is that I have never been anti-vax. I chose not to vax because I wasn't convinced that it was safe or effective for my child given our situation at the time. But, I imagine if there was a polio outbreak, I might be seriously considering whether the polio vax would be worthwhile. If my child stepped on a rusty nail, would I then go ahead and have the docs give her a tetanus shot? Me: Yes, probably. If so, then wouldn't it have been better to give her that shot preemptively?This discussion has helped me to see that my real question right now is what are the CDC's guidelines on what qualifies as vaccine injury, especially the reporting time period from the date of vaccination? If the CDC is significantly downplaying the risk of the vaccine and the true risk outweighs the vaccine's benefits, then there is no reason to vax. (It follows that I personally DO believe that vaccines may have benefits and that I also believe that our bodies are capable of processing toxins in our environment quite adequately most of the time.)I am saddened hearing about the injuries that have resulted from vaccines. It is an injustice to families who have had to suffer this kind of devastation --and to do so without support from their doctors or government. I am equally saddened to hear about the children who have suffered serious bouts of disease, some of whom have died as a result. I currently live in the midst of a community highly populated by medical doctors and nurses through the world-renowned UNC and Duke hospitals, so I have friends now who are nurses and doctors or whom are married to doctors. I hear their stories of what it's like in the pediatric ward of a hospital and it makes the risk of the diseases just as real to me as the risks of getting vaccinated and being injured from it.I can argue both sides to this issue. I can do it up and down and around. Driving myself crazy with it. I guess the question I will end with is what would you say is the #1 best thing I should read (or DVD I should see) to convince me that vaccines are not safe or are not effective? What convinced you?Leahp.s. please note that I trimmed your posts below to reflect the points you made that stood out to me the most.> > > >> > > > It's tough because there are two issues: safety and > > > effectiveness. First, keep in mind that no vaccine is guaranteed > > > to work (if you even believe they do at all, which I don't). So, >

July 30, 2010

Yes I agree. The ones against

do fear the gov’t.. they are not trustworthy. The more the cdc or the fda

say something is safe, the more I question them.

Look at the safety and efficacy data. For me, what really clinched

things was the long, long LOOOOONG list of conflicts of interest. How on earth

can they truly say ‘this is safe’ and be profiting from me buying

it?

Med schools are mostly paid for RX. A doctor is the mouthpiece

for a RX product. Go in with something that they can’t give you a pill

for. Nothing they can do. Every RX comes w/ a list of side effects that are

potentially harmful. Doctors don’t heal. They don’t treat the

body as a whole. You take this med for this, then that med to counteract the

side effects of A, C to counteract B.. and on and on.

They claim to have science on their side. It’s a claim. When

you have scientists saying ‘oh vaccines couldn’t possibly have

causes autism’.. really? Is that science? Science that is true doesn’t

say oh it can’t possibly.

The AMA was founded as a direct threat to homeopathy. They didn’t

like homeopathy’s safety or proven efficacy. They were losing business. They

‘recommend’…and their recommendations are treated as law.

Find something that supports the body. Helps it heal itself. Doesn’t

have side effects. Is safe for a baby to get into. Is fit to each

individual. You won’t find that in a MD world.

With all the kids and all the vaccines….. and all the crap

that is defining childhood.. our kids today are NOT healthy. went to the

doc for a wart on his foot. The list of ‘does he have” was at least

2 minutes long and I just completely marveled.. how can they just take this all

in stride like it’s NORMAL?

It is normal. Kids are being poisoned and largely in part to

vaccines. Never before have kids had so many. Never before has a nations

childhood population so stricken w/ so many illnesses and toxins., in the

environment. In our food. In our air. Injected straight into the blood stream.

If you hit the virus naturally, it goes through first the skin

then the mucous. The body has time to defend. Vaccines by-pass that.

Also, we know that modern science barely has scratched the

surface of their understanding of the immune system and the body. They can’t

guarantee that shot you’re about to inject will be safe and do no harm

nor that it will even protect them from what it’s supposed to.

I love how they proclaim they can’t see the future in one

breath ( we can’t know every strain of every flu that might attack) and

in the next say “oh well if he hadn’t have gotten the flu vax, it

would have been a much worse case”

The tetanus example is classic. If you learn more about tetanus

you would know that a rusty nail exposed to air wouldn’t have tetanus

anyway. It can’t live in oxygen. And if you bleed the wound good, take

vita C and wash it really good, you will be just fine. Besides, the

vaccine they would give you wouldn’t do anything to prevent you from

getting tet from that nail you just stepped on anyway. If you’ve

never had the tet vaccine, you wouldn’t want it anyway. You’d need

something different. And that is a pooled blood product from who knows who..

Vaccine labs have also been fined for contamination. Think that

vaccine is really safe? Do you know how it’s made? Did the lab have

any fines? Were there any problems?

The other thing that got me questioning in the first place, if

it’s so safe and so wonderful, why am I required to sign consent

first? That was the first thing. The last thing was the list of conflicts

of interest. It’s HUGE. You’re talking billions at stake.

Oh and it’s true. Have an adverse reaction and your

precious doctor who so adamantly professed how wonderful, how sciency, how

safe, how efficacious they are will say ‘there’s no way the vaccine

was responsible for that. She was already like that”….. and it’s

heartbreaking.

My first 3 are fully vaxxed to whatever they “needed”

til 9 years ago, my 4th only got whatever she needed for 2 years..

those were her first and last shots, we did them at 2 and ‘caught up’..which

is really scary now b/c they had me come in every 6 weeks for however..and I told

them I didn’t want the chicken pox vax and they gave it anyway.

My first has asperger’s. have I ever, ever had a doctor

admit it could be because of vaccines? No. have they ever held my hand as I look

at my girl who has no friends really? When she gets lonely and wants a bud….

No… no one ever showed up.

Nita,

mom to: katie 17, Jon 15, 13, 11, 9, Christian RIP,

4, Isaac 2 and one cooking due 3/11

If

you have melted chocolate on your hands, you're eating it too slowly!

Thank you all for your thoughts on this. I wish

it were so simple as to say that I shouldn't be pressured to vaccinate out of

fear. Truth is, I have read a lot about vaccines from various sources, both for

and against. The general conclusion I have come to about the two sides of the

issue is that BOTH sides use fear tactics and BOTH sides claim to know best and

have the " real facts. "

July 30, 2010

You have received excellent info and advice. Thought I'd give you a book recommendation " Keeping your child healthy in spite of your doctor " really helped me to understand the illnesses that these vaccines are supposedly protecting us against. It's almost a joke the obvious scare tactics used in the press!!

I have been chronically ill my entire life. I was born in 1974 and that is before they really even ramped up the vaxes for kids.. allergies, asthma, eczema and then I was infected with Lyme Disease. I was misdiagnosed but still functional and then I got the hep B vaccine for a job. I got so sick that month and then 2 hours after the first month booster I started to collapse. The nurses at my job couldn't not measure ANY blood pressure on me and if I stopped walking, I would start to pass out (walking pushes blood through the veins). The ER doc laughed at me. A few days later I was unable to get out of bed and stayed that way for more than 5 years totally crippled until I got treatment. But I'm still disabled with a ruined immune system. I probably will never be free from traditional toxic meds. It's in my brain and every part of my body.

Before our daughter was born, we knew there would be NO vaccines for my daughter. She never left our sight in the hospital after my completely natural birth. But I gave Lyme to my daughter. I took preventative antibiotics during pregnancy but unlike all these other moms who had healthy kids despite their Lyme, my daughter contracted the Lyme from me. The tests didn't tip us off early on (so inaccurate) but she wasn't 'right' as a baby and then was losing language and having meltdowns over nothing. At 2 she got the high fever for a week unlike she had ever had and then sudden swelling.. ER gave her IV rocephin and then antibiotic shots for two days by pediatrician after and she was perfect again! We knew she had it. But it was too late.. she was autistic from it. This is a little known cause of Autism. She is now 5 and still treating but now you'd never guess she had Autism at all unless I told you she was. Eventually she won't need the antibiotics anymore.

I've tested high in heavy metals. These come from vaccines and are passed in utero. I'm sure this didn't help. (She will be getting biomedical alternative help in August finally have the $ for it. Chelation therapy will be part of it.)

My daughter NEVER catches the flus, viruses and didn't even catch the chicken pox from her minibus even though EVERY KID on the bus got it... even the bus driver got the shingles (same virus). I was hoping she would get it but maybe she got immunity from the exposure. My daughter has been in 'school' since she was 2. Exposed to EVERYTHING. You should see these autistic kids.. excema, nose running all the time, always sick... I get notes about something " going around " all the time. I don't worry because she never ever gets it. She is obviously not going to get bacterial stuff due to her antibiotics (eg ear infections) so I can't testify to that, but this kid never gets anything else!!! Almost everyone in her class will be out and she'll be in. Perfect attendance this year and last year too I think. If she misses it's due to something we have to do that day... I can't remember when she's had a cold but I do remember she has had one at least. I think it lasted a couple of days with homeopathic and immune support. It barely bothered her. Then I'd get it and be in the ER unable to breathe due to the same virus that she shrugged off???

My daughter would not have recovered so quickly from her Lyme induced autism if she had been vaxed I'm sure. But I'm sure she wouldn't have gotten it in the first place had I not been vaccine injured.

God bless,Jen H***The Will Of God Will Never Take You ... Where the Grace Of God Will Not Protect You***

July 30, 2010

Venita,I noticed you wrote that your 5 year old has autism but he did NOT get it from Vaccines ? I just wonder if people use that as reasoning that autism happens in children - and vaccines are NOT the cause......

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Venita Garner <nitagarner@...> wrote: